class since the vietnam war. >> i wear this bracelet that has our west point classmates' named etched on it and the connection between our generation and the vietnam generation. >> and maybe the camaraderie will thaw some of the partisanship division we see just down the road. >> the road is neither blue nor red, it's red, white and blue. we need to continue to sacrifice to make this nation prosperous and free. >> jake tapper, cnn, washington. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm fredricka whitfield. smerconish starts right now. it's memorial day weekend, and everybody is getting in the poll. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. why are so many republican candidates challenging donald

trump for the gop presidential nomination? think about it. he's a former president, essentially a gop incumbent, who is consistently polling around 50% of the gop vote in the polls. and we learned in 2016 that give continue hard core support that trump enjoys from some, he's the beneficiary of a large field. remember, in that cycle there were so many running that debates, they had a kids' table. this time trump announced first and then nikki haley, and then vivek ramaswamy, larry elder, asa hutchinson, tim scott, and now ron desantis, who, by the way, is only 44 years old. by biden/trump standards, he's got three more decades to run for president. so why run now? why get into the steel cage with a wrestler who always carries a foreign object? mike pence said he'll soon make a decision. chris christie sounds like a

candidate. even glenn younk gkin is taking second look. what's going on? maybe they don't think they'll have to beat trump. that will be done by a combination of alvin bragg, jack smith and merrick garland. this week trump appeared remotely at a manhattan courtroom in connection with the stormy daniels case. the judge told the parties not to make any plans around the scheduled start of trial march 25, 2024. trump reportedly reacted by shaking his head. there's still jockeying going on regarding the caucus and primary schedule for next year, but take a look at 2016. that was the last time we had a competitive republican process. look at that as a guide. in that cycle, iowa held its caucus on february 1st, new hampshire voted on february 9. then game south carolina and nevada. super tuesday was march 1. there were six more election days in march, and then in april came wisconsin, new york, connecticut, delaware, maryland,

pennsylvania, rhode island, indiana. and in may nebraska, west virginia, oregon and washington state. in the thick of that schedule, donald trump will spend a week or two sitting in a manhattan courtroom facing criminal prosecution, and even without cameras in new york courtrooms, his comings and goings will all be noted, sketch artists will have a field day. it's going to be o.j. on steroids. and that's not all. last month fulton county d.a. fani willis sent a letter to the county's sheriff putting him on notice of charging decisions she'll announce in her investigation of georgia's election. and she wrote these words, i'm providing this letter to bring to your attention the need for heightened security and preparedness in the coming months. she noted her timetable was between july 11 and september 1. now, granted, there are more individuals than just donald trump whose conduct is being investigated in georgia. but would any of the others

warrant notification of the sheriff, of the possibility of unrest? i doubt it. instead, i think she tipped her hand that she intends to indict him. and then there's special counsel jack smith, appointed by merrick garland. the "wall street journal" was the first to report this week that smith has all but finished his work. they reported, quote, in recent weeks prosecutors working for smith have completed interviews with nearly every employee at trump's florida home, from top political aids to maintenance staff. the journal couldn't determine whether smith has decided to charge trump, but early this week trump's lawyers sought a meeting with merrick garland. common sense suggests there's no need for a meeting unless trump's lawyers think he's about to be indicted. and now the "washington post" reports that two of the former president's employees moved boxes of papers from within his mar-a-lago home a day before fbi agents and a justice department

official arrived to pick up classified documents. so there's a serious prospect of the former president soon facing criminal charges in three different jurisdictions, and in the thick of the campaign. some will suggest this is all to trump's benefit. according to his campaign, he benefitted financially after alvin bragg charged him in the stormy daniels case, raising $15 million in two weeks and his polls went up. i think because at its root, that's a case about sex and in the 1990s, we saw that as americans don't warrant that as a presidential downfall. will addition prosecutions have the same impact? will some finally have had enough of the reality show? i can think of several in the latter camp. their names are haley, ramaswamy, hutcheninson, elders scott, maybe pence, christie, sununu and youngkin, too. if they're right and trump didn't the candidate, does that

put more pressure on president biden to step aside where, in the face of polling, showing that even democrats want a change in their ticket. his retort is to suggest that he alone can defeat donald trump. bottom line, neither of us have any idea what's about to unfold, but it's going to be riveting. joining me is ellie honig, the former federal prosecutor and author of the recent book "untouchable: how powerful people get away with it". manhattan, georgia, the feds. relative to han mattnhattan, is that a firm date and does he need to be in the courtroom? >> i would say that's fairly firm. usually you would write it in your book in pencil. things happen, defendants ask for more time, prosecutors find more evidence and say we need more time. but this judge made a point this week of telling the parties, put this date down, do not schedule

anything around it, be ready to go to trial. but i do want to highlight there's a possibility trump may go to the federal courts and say, you need to push this date back because, as you said, this is going to fall right in the middle of the republican primaries, and trump is going to argue, i'm a candidate for federal office, i have a first amendment right to free speech to run for office. to take me out for several weeks where i have to sit in a courtroom is going to interfere with that right. so i think that trial is conspicuously timed and i think there's a chance trump may try to get it changed. >> you know the "washington post" and "new york times," i should say even the "washington post" and "new york times" used words like novel to describe the theory by which this misclassification was elevated to a felony. when does donald trump litigate that issue, before or after trial? >> both, michael. he is certainly going to bring emotion to the judge before trial and say this theory, under which the charge here is a

misdemeanor of falsifying business records, it only gets boosted to a felony if the records were falsified to promote some other crime, and the other crime appears to be interference with the federal election, a federal campaign violation. but we're in state court, so that's the novelty here that could be challenged before trial. and if it goes to trial and he's convicted. trump will appeal on that basis. one important thing to keep in mind, even if this trial goes off in march, and i think it will carry into april, trump is not going to be sentenced for several months. and even if he is sentenced to prison, which i think is unlikely given the nature of the charges and the way new york state law works, even if it's convicted, he's not going to get sentenced to prison. even if he's sentenced to prison, he's not going to have to start serving his prison until the appeals are done, which would carry way beyond the november 2024 election.

>> let's go to georgia. you heard me say fani willis i think has tipped her hand. >> she's not just tipped her hand. that suggests some inadvertence. i think she has turned her hand around, put it in front of the public cameras and hyped this up like it's a summer movie blockbuster with the same level of subtlety. there is no question in my mind that fani willis has every intention to indict donald trump later this summer. she has made that entirely clear by her not so subtle letters to the sheriff and other local authorities. and i think the question is, will the nature of those charges, which are going to be very different, going to go to the attempt to steal the 2020 election, will they be received differently in the political world than the manhattan da's charges? >> right. you heard me make the case that i think that alvin bragg thus far has helped donald trump, fundraising, the poll numbers. nothing else explains how trump in the l60 days has increased hs

lead. do you think that someone from doj is on the horn with fani willis or has been on the horn with alvin bragg? any type of coordination between the three buckets, as i put them? >> so there's no indication of any communication or coordination between those three prosecutors, but it's important to understand, ordinarily you would absolutely pick up the phone if you were any of these three prosecutors and you found out another prosecutor's office was looking at the same person, we do that all the time as prosecutors. i did that when i was a federal prosecutor, calling over to the state and vice-versa. there's a name for this process, it's called de-confliction. you pick up the phone and say i hear you're looking at the same person, where are you in your case, should we share witnesses, share evidence, work this together, who is going to go first? there is no indication that's happened here. i think the prosecutors are wary of creating an appearance they're coordinating. i don't think they want to be subject to that attack by donald

trump. but i think they are intentionally not dialing up each other. >> there's a trial date with regard to alvin bragg. we both think fani willis is going to indict him. we always hear close to the election don't do anything that would impact the outcome of an election. are smith is garland going to be up against that window? >> they are. and i think doj deserves some blame here, because by taking this long, by taking two and a half plus years to get around to any of this, they've played themselves into a calendar corner. because there is longstanding doj policy and practice that you do not take actions within, depending who you ask, 60 or 90 days of an election. the big picture idea is as prosecutors we try to avoid making moves that are going to land in the public sector and have political impacts too close to an election.

if we do the calendar math, even if the doj brings an indictment, mar-a-lago or january 6th this summer, which we are in the summer now, realistically you are not going to be able to get to a trial through all the discovery, all the appeals, until at least a year from now. that puts us in the summer of 2024, which according to doj practice is really pretty darn close, arguably too close to the general election. especially when the defendant is one of the candidates. >> final thought, little game theory here. it sounds like it's possible that the only case that could get to trial, big if, there are actually three cases, is the alvin bragg/stormy daniels case, where we've seen in the last couple of months it's arguably to the benefit of donald trump. theoretically, trump could get a trial date in the midst of the primary season and have some wind at his salesils and the ot cases don't get resolved until

after the 2024 election. >> yes, this is the world we're leading in, where we could have perhaps a presumptive nominee on criminal trial just a few months before the actual election. we could have two other pending indictments that are sitting there unresolved without a trial on the date of the election. then if trump wins or if a republican wins, we could be looking at the potential for pardons. there's no way he's going to be tried if he wins and goes back into office. he's not going to get tried while he's in office. if he loses, the question is, are we going to have these trials after he's lost two elections? there's a lot of different variables at play. they are heading into historically unprecedented territory. >> that was excellent. we're trying to see around corners. thank you so. . enjoy the weekend. >> you, too. >> what are your thoughts? hit me up on social media. from the world of youtube, it looks, can't they fast track things and get all three to

trial during 2024? probably not. you can't make an argument like let's hurry up and get to trial. remember, we have this conversation every cycle, just think of wiener and reopening that investigation so close to the election. the feds are not supposed to do anything close in time to an election. if smith takes action, as i think he probably will on an obstruction claim at some point in the near future, map out the schedule and that's going to drop right into the time period we're talking about. up ahead, a major league baseball announcer is out of a job after mistakenly uttering the "n" word during a pregame chat while gushing about his visit to the negro museum. he says it was inadvertent. should he have been fired? i'll ask the head of the museum about it. and is the right way to solve america's labor shortage lowering the age so teenagers can work adult jobs, including

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question, should a sports announcer's mistaken use of the "n" word cost him his job? a long-time announcer was let go after he used the "n" word on air, which he says was unintentional. during a pregame show, g glen kuiper was talking about a trip to the negro league baseball museum, but kuiper mispronounced the word negro and instead used the slur. >> we had a phenomenal day today, [ bleep ] museum and

arthur's barbecue. >> at the time they did not offer a reaction. at the time they diplomat have a reaction. afterwards they said this. >> i said something that didn't come out quite the way i wanted it to. i apologize if it sounded different than i meant it. >> he was then suspended by nbc sports california and ultimately fired. the network said in a statement, quote, following an internal review, the decision has been made for nbc sports california to end its relationship with glen kuiper effective immediately. we thank him for his dedication to baseball over the years. the decision was based on a variety of factors, including information uncovered in the internal review. we invited glen kuiper to come on today, but he declined our

offer. on that day i chose to spend my personal time by educating myself and learning more about mlb's history by going to the negro league museum. i spent nearly three hours there in an effort to better understand and appreciate the difficulties and social barriers african american players endured in mlb's early years. when the subject of the museum visit came up in the pregame show i was excited and eager to share what i had done and seen that day. in my excitement, i rushed through the word "negro" resulting in my very unfortunate mispronunciation. i sincerely apologize to everyone who was hurt by this. it was a terrible, but honest mispronunciation. i take full responsibility. he added, please know racism is in no way a part of me. it never has been and never will be. i wish the oakland a's and nbc sports would have taken into consideration my 20-year career, my solid reputation and integrity and character. but in this current environment traits like integrity and character are no longer

considered. then the president of the museum, bob kendrick, created a bit of a ruckus when he tweeted out a statement that says my heart is one of forgiveness and he hoped others would find it within themselves to do the same. i recently spoke with bob kendrick to ask him about that. >> mr. kendrick, what struck me when i watched the tape is he said he had a phenomenal day. obviously it was in praise of the museum, right? >> it was. i had met glen and his broadcast partner, dallas braden, here at the museum. we had a wonderful time. i'm telling stories as i traditionally do, and particularly satchel page stories because of the connection to the a's, of course here as a member of the kansas city rays when he was 59 years old and pitched three shutout innings to the boston red sox giving up one hit to a young carl yastrzemski so we're having

a great time telling all these stories. he told me they were going to eat barbecue and head over to the ballpark to get ready for the game. >> what do you make of critics who say the word was just too accessible? too much on the tip of his tongue? >> i understand what they're saying. and, yes, it does sometimes maybe make one believe that it's a word that maybe has been used before. i don't know for certain. so i understand that point of view. but again, that doesn't mean that it was deliberate. it doesn't mean that in this case i felt that there was malicious intent. it was an awful thing to say, we acknowledge it as such. we don't condone what the use of the word was. but i certainly believe that it was a mistake. and i've been criticized because i felt like it was a mistake. >> i was going to ask about exactly that. what has been the reaction to your forgiveness?

>> well, number one, one would never think so much hate would come along with forgiveness. again, as i said before, i understand to some degree the emotional anguish that something like this can generate. it's a horrible slur to have happen, so i understand that. now, was i surprised by how much vitriol had come my way? absolutely. but again, that is the nature of it. >> i hope the silver lining is a boost in your attendance. candidly i didn't know the museum was in kansas city. i'm not going to come back to kansas city without stopping in for a visit and i hope others do likewise. >> i hope so too, because, michael, we had just announced our plans to build a brand new

30,000 foot stand-alone negro league baseball museum just a few days before this happened. so i was riding a tremendous high. this notion of building a new museum even though it's going to cost us about $25 million to build it, and i've gotten a lot of congratulations on having to raise $25 million in order to do this. but i understand people were excited and i was excited. then this happened and you find yourself embroiled in something that was not your doing, but again, it comes with the territory. i do think a lot of people have learned about the negro league baseball museum and i hope we continue to see a lot of people who will make their way here. as we record this, the washington nationals are walking through this museum right now. >> awesome. >> it never gets old. we always enjoy when young athletes come here. >> all right. everybody get out their checkbook. thank you, mr. kendrick. >> oh, man, it has been my absolute pleasure. thanks for having me. >> thank you. social media reaction now to this segment. what do we have, katherine?

>> horrible word, i cannot force myself to say it. how he thinks he can get away with it, i do not know. but doyle, in context, right? clearly he's bringing it up in praise of the museum that he's just visited. if his record is as he represents, it's a 20-year clean track record and no history of any related type of an issue, then i think firing was too strong of a punishment. and by the way, so does bob kendrick. one more. do i have time to do this as well? no, clearly a mispronunciation. nothing else leads me to believe there was any malice intended by him. kelly, if you heard an announcer used that word in the midst of a broadcast and that's all you knew, you'd say you've got to fire him, of course. nothing is worse than the utterance of that word. but, again, to watch it and know

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does america need, does america want a third lane in the 2024 presidential race? listen to this, according to a new cnn poll, 66% of all americans say a biden victory would be a setback or even a disaster for the country.

56% say the exact same thing about donald trump. which is why a nonpartisan group called no labels is threading together a safety net for the american electorate in case the vast majority of voters aren't satisfied with a biden versus trump rematch if it comes to that. the group aims to gain valid access across all 50 states and the district of columbia for a third-party candidacy hoping to appeal to independent voters with a unity ticket made up of one democrat and one republican. so far no labels has been successful in gaining valid access in oregon, colorado, arizona and alaska. their push is to get a third-party candidate on battleground states like florida, north carolina and nevada. but the organization has gathered 600,000 signatures and hopes to raise $70 million for their unity ticket by 2024. according to their chief strategist, they're about a third from reaching their goal.

nominating a third-party candidate is, of course, controversial. critics argue the groundwork no labels is laying down will only catapult trump back into the white house. but the bipartisan group is pushing back, saying an insurance plan for the 2024 race is needed. my next guest is ryan clancy, the chief strategist for no labels. ryan, thank you for being here. you heard the polling at the outset. 66% say it could be a disaster for joe biden to be re-elected. 56% say donald trump would be likewise. if those are the numbers and biden and trump are the candidates, would that trigger what no labels is planning? >> well, michael, we think there's an opening today. if it looks like this a year from now, there could be an opening. but to nominate a ticket, we've got to clear two pretty high bars, which is the major party nominees need to continue to be really unpopular, but a unity ticket needs to have an outright path to victory. >> so speak to me about process. what is going to take place a year from now, if that's the timeline?

>> well, we're going to have a whole procession of events coming up, michael. look, it will start this summer. so after july you will see us release something called our common sense agenda. these are our results-oriented ideas we know the vast majority of the country is going to want based on extensive polling and research we've done. it's something two major parties refuse to give them. so that will put definition around this and work backwards from our convention in april in dallas. that's the latest point where we decide whether to nominate a ticket. >> let's talk about the criticism. i have a colleague here at cnn who runs the washington bureau and we go back and forth on the issue of how does this all play out. i'll put on the screen six or seven states where the margin was three points or less in 2020. third way says even a paltry third-party performance would put 79 biden electoral votes at risk.

arizona, p.a., michigan, nevada, georgia, wisconsin. you've heard the argument. what's your response? >> michael, the problem with that argument is when everybody looks at past third-party candidacies, nader, gary johnson, jill stein, those were protest candidates. no one who ever voted for those candidates thought they were actually voting for a president. no labels will not nominate a ticket like that. we will only nominate a ticket that we think can win. by the way, based on the polling we're looking at today, an independent ticket is polling evenly from both sides, so we are not seeing an advantage for one major party candidate or another. >> ryan, you know, of course, that if nobody gets to 270, the magic number to win the election, then the house of representatives gets to make the decision and each state delegate is given one vote, meaning alaska and california, your equals. many say the composition of the house is such thatr the republi

candidate. what's your answer to that? >> well, the current composition in the house doesn't matter because the house that would determine a president if it ever went there would be the one seated in january 2025. that's number one. the second thing is there's actually an opportunity even before the house meets in the electoral college where there's actually a surprising number of states that don't have bound electors, so a no labels ticket won some electoral votes, they could use that as a bargaining chip to get some support from one of the major party nominees. in the end we're preparing for that because you've got to do all your diligence. but we won't nominate a ticket unless we think it can win outright in the electoral college. >> how about the old adage, you can't beat somebody with nobody. how do you know that there will be quality candidates who will step forward and be willing to accept the no labels ballot position that you secure? >> we don't. and that's why we always talk about this as an insurance

policy. we are 18 months out from the election. we are a year out from having to make a decision. the only thing we know with any certainty, michael, is what you said at the top. two-thirds of the country doesn't want the election the two major parties are about to force them to get. so we think a year from now if there's an opening and people want this ticket, people are going to be very happy that we have laid the groundwork and got the ballot access where there's at least another choice. >> people like to mention joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, others like to dream of admiral william mcraven. thoughts? >> all the names you've heard is names other people are floated. no labels is not talking to candidates, we're not speculating about the names of candidates. we are head down, working to get ballot access, working to put definition around what this kind of ticket could stand for when we release our common sense policy agenda shortly after july 4th.

it is going to become very clear to people when you look at this agenda that there is a lot that the public wants that the two major party nominees simply refuse to give them. >> well, the polling data today supports what you're saying. ryan, thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me, michael. more social media reaction now. what do we have? no labels is a donald trump re-election pac. all it will do is fracture the vote, but trump's most loyal will stick to him like glue. anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, says the real doctor. really? you're disbelieving of all that data? how about the fact that -- and i discussed this here recently. a plurality of americans are neither rs nor ds, we are is. 49% of the country says i identify as an independent, not as a republican or democrat. who speaks for us? you know, maybe it's the election where finally the numbers are backed up by candidates who want to seize

that mantle. do we have, katherine, the map? i never got to it with ryan. put up the map that no labels presents. they say we're not in it to be spoilers, we're in it to win it. do you have that handy? here it comes. they have a scenario where they think there are 25 states they they can think absolutely win. there it is. i don't know, who the hell knows? i said at the outset the only thing any of us knows for sure is that we have no idea which way this is going to go. i've been paying attention for more than 30 years. i've never seen a cycle with the unpredictability as the one that is commencing now. in any event, go vote at smerconish.com on this week's poll question. here it is. i want to know if you're open to the idea, are you open to the idea -- i'm not asking are you going to vote for because we don't know who the candidates are. but are you open to the idea of voting for a no labels third-party candidate? go check that in and out. still to come, in a controversial move many states

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restaurants with parental permission. previously in arkansas, republican governor sarah huckabee sanders, signed a law eliminating permits that required employers to verify a child's age and parents' consent. in wisconsin, lawmakers backing a proposal to allow 14-year-olds to serve alcohol in bars and restaurants. the ohio legislature has a bill in process that would allow students ages 14 and 15 to work during the school year with their parents' permission until 9:00 p.m., later than federal law allows. such bills are being considered and passed despite the fact that since 2015 the number of minors employed in violation of child labor laws has more than tripled. opponents say safeguards are key to protecting workers from exploitation, dangerous work environments, harassment and a myriad of other problems. joining me now is emma camp, an assistant editor at "reason" magazine who graduated from the university of virginia in 2022. she wrote an article entitled

"don't freak out over teens having fast food jobs." emma, thanks for being here. when i was 15, i lied when i applied at mcdonald's because i was so eager to work there but they only hired 16-year-olds. they figured it out and i came back when i was 16 and worked there the next two years. i wanted to flip burgers. odd as that sounds. i was not going to work in a meat packing plant or do some mining operation. what are your thoughts about the trend i've just described? >> so i think there's actually been a lot of hysteria around these bills. when you look at the text of what's actually been enacted, they're really quite moderate, even milquetoast reforms, maybe letting teenagers work a little younger or a little bit longer, but nothing really crazy. and you mentioned increased child labor violations. i think there's been a bit of a bait and switch. a majority of these child labor violations involve migrant children working illegally in places like commercial farms.

these reforms really have nothing to do with that. that kind of labor will still be illegal under these reforms. so i think instead of panicking, we should be celebrating because there are so many positive outcomes associated with working as a teenager. >> the one that i saw that was -- i agreed with the propriety and lessons one learns from having a job as a teenager, for sure. the one that troubled me the most that i read about was not the booze, it was the hours of working during a school year, up to six hours on a particular day. for me that's too much because i think you've got to prioritize the school work. i wanted to ask you this. is this really about american kids or about migrant workers? >> so i think these bills are actually about american kids, right, making it easier for them to work because there are a lot of really positive outcomes associated with working as a teenager. a lot of them are self-evident. responsibility, learning to show up on time. teenagers themselves like working. they like having their own money

and not constantly hounding their parents for cash. there's been research that indicates that teenagers who work part-time earn later in life than those who didn't. there's one study that looked at teenagers that worked part-time during their senior year. it found those who worked six to nine years after graduation were earning 20% more than those who didn't. so i think we should be celebrating and encouraging places that are making it easier for teenagers to get jobs. >> emma, if we build it, will they come to quote the old line? are we sure the teenagers will fill these voids that exist if all of a sudden the rules are loosened? >> so i think it depends, right? so i think when we're looking at the areas that teenagers like to work in, fast food and food service is a good example. so there's been a lot of fear mongering about the laws that are loosening the age that kids can serve alcohol. a lot of these once they had a bill that was very clear about

saying you can't bartend until you're 18, so mostly this will just be 14 or 15-year-olds work at a place like an applebee's that serves alcohol. i think teenagers might fill those positions. if we're looking at places that -- sectors that teenagers don't want to work in, i don't think that's the solution to the labor shortage. i think the solution to the labor shortage is liberalizing our immigration laws and making it easier to work here if you're not a citizen. >> i have to move on. but before i do, i know you just graduated from uva. congrats. what was your first job? >> when i was 17, i was a nanny. and i had a really great time doing that. i learned a lot of skills that i took with me into my adult life. >> thank you, emma, appreciate it. >> all right, thank you so much. social media reaction, what do we have, katherine? from the world of youtube, it's important -- oh, jamal, hello, jamal. it's important to protect people but we put entirely too much emphasis in putting kids in bubbles and preventing -- look, we don't want kids to be

exploited.somewhere in here is balance. six hours on top of a school curriculum is too many hours. we don't want to be overly protective. the new movement, let grow, we've got to let them out. we've got to protect them at the same time. it can be done. still to come, more of your best and worst social media comments and the result of this week's poll question. please go vote. i want to know if you're open to the idea, not that you'd cast a ballot necessarily, but are you open to the idea of a no labels third-party candidate? hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys! ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ how to grow more vibrant flowers: step one: feed them with miracle-gro shake 'n feed.

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