>> i think the cause of her downfall is that she courted the press too much. she raised her profile too much, and she courted publicity too much. >> reporter: despite having fallen so far, elizabeth holmes told "the new york times" she plans to work on healthcare-related inventions while she's in prison. she said, quote, i still dream about being able to contribute in that space. alex? >> brian todd, thank you very much. and, finally tonight, former first lady rosalind carter has been diagnosed with dementia. i'm alex marquardt here in "the situation room." thank you so much for joining me. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, ukraine bracing for putin's revenge. russia even threatening to use nukes after moscow was attacked. the ukrainian ambassador to the

united states is "outfront" on who she thinks is behind the attacks inside russia. plus, governor ron desantis about to hold his first major event in iowa as a presidential candidate. he's going all in for evangel voters. can he peel them away from trump this time? and calls for a boycott against chick-fil-a. conservative revolt over a dei executive. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, land, air, and sea. ukraine bracing for an all-out assault from putin, including potentially devastating attacks by russian submarines. this is according to a military spokesperson and our fred pleitgen who is in kyiv where he says they are preparing for what could be a major retaliation by putin. and we're going to check in with fred in just a moment. because that fear is coming after at least eight drones targeted wealthy moscow neighborhoods overnight, an area where putin himself has an estate. this is the first time since the beginning of the invasion that civilian areas near the capital of russia have been hit.

putin spoke out today, blaming kyiv for the massive drone attack. ukraine denies responsibility for it, but one of putin's loyalists in the duma said that the drone attack in moscow is leading russia down to the nuclear line. >> translator: the situation is not going away. rather, it is escalating. unfortunately, the response could include using all available means of the russian armed forces. tactical nuclear weapons won't be sheathed for much longer. >> won't be sheathed for much longer. well, the war is escalating no matter how you look at it. yet again, the man leading putin's private army, today, on the heels of all this, once again blamed putin's own military. listen to this. >> translator: regarding the drones that fly over moscow and in moscow, you stinking animals. what are you doing?

you are swine. get up off your [ bleep ] from the offices you've been put in to defend this country. you are the ministry of defense. you haven't done [ bleep ] in terms of attacking. why the [ bleep ] would you allow these drones to come to moscow? >> prigozhin talking about the most notable attack inside russia. but it is far from the only one. russia is right now struggling to defend its borders as well as its infrastructure. there have been a number of strikes in russian towns near the ukrainian border. and we've seen an increase in attacks on russian infrastructure, including freight trains. the latest is actually just today. these are images of a train derailed, again, inside russia, a train said to be carrying much-needed fuel for the military. now, ukraine hasn't claimed responsibility for the train strike. they haven't claimed responsibility for any of those infrastructure strikes. but, as i said, they outright deny involvement in the moscow drone attack.

but i do want to share with you what an adviser to ukraine's president said, which is basically that moscow deserves to feel the fear of living in a constant state of danger. >> translator: of course we want those people who wanted to start this big european war to feel what it is like to live in a state of danger. >> our fred pleitgen, as promised, is "outfront" live in kyiv tonight. fred, of course, it's the early hours of the morning. those who are trying to sleep have the fear of what could happen here in these next minutes and hours. what is the latest there tonight? >> reporter: i would say that there is a great deal of concern among the citizens here in kyiv that there could be a massive retaliation on the part of the kremlin, that there could be further drone and also rocket strikes as well in the coming hours. that's simply because there was so much anger on display today in russia among the leadership, among those who are sitting in the kremlin. it seems as though the russian leadership was somewhat caught

off guard, and so were its propagandists. here's what we're learning. kremlin-controlled media in a frenzy with special programming after russia says its capital was attacked by ukrainian drones. >> translator: we begin with breaking news. moscow and its region were attacked by ukrainian army drones. >> reporter: the russians say they downed eight drones in total, some close to one of vladimir putin's official residences. bringing some of the uavs off course with electronic measures, but also firing missiles to take out five of them. the ukrainians deny any involvement in the attack, but russian president vladimir putin ripped into kyiv, accusing ukraine's leadership of targeting russian civilians. >> translator: kyiv chose the path of intimidation of russian citizens and attacks on

residential buildings. it is a clear sign of terrorist activity. >> reporter: but so far it's been russia attacking ukrainian cities, and last night kyiv was once again under massive attack. russia launching a barrage of iranian-made shahed drones. kyiv's air defenses trying to fend them off. one woman was killed when drone debris hit this high-rise building. other residents left to run for cover. >> translator: we were on the eighth floor with my 4-year-old son. we first ran to the corridor, and then down the fire staircase to get outside. >> reporter: as you can see, this building sustained some pretty substantial damage, and the drone attack went on for several hours last night with the drones hovering over the city center, and ukrainian air defenses frantically trying to take them down. >> reporter: ukraine's military says it shot down 29 of the 31

uavs the russians sent. >> if we didn't have our modern defense from our partners, we have much worse situation in our hometown, more destroyed buildings and more, it would be more civilians killed. >> reporter: but russia has already threatened massive retaliation after the drone attack on moscow, leaving people in kyiv and elsewhere bracing for what could be worse to come. of course, erin, you are absolutely right. we are now entering those hours where strikes have been taking place over the past couple of days. that's why tonight, volodymyr zelenskyy, he came out and he once again thanked all those working in air defense here in ukraine, working to shoot down as many of those drones and missiles as possible. he also warned the citizens of

kyiv and of other places in ukraine to heed the warnings and go into shelter when the sirens go off. >> fred, thank you very much, live from kyiv tonight. and "outfront" now, ukraine's ambassador to the united states. i so much appreciate your time tonight. of course, some say these increasingly aggressive nightly attacks by russia are really specifically designed to use up ukraine's air defenses. are you concerned that could happen? >> thank you, erin, for having me. and good evening to all americans. well, it's designed to spread horror and terror. it's designed to actually kill innocent civilians and destroy our houses. and, of course, it's designed to deplete the air defenses that we have. so, yes, all of the above, and we are concerned. but that's why we're working with all of our friends and allies to actually get more of the air defense support so that

we cannot only liberate our territories but also defend people throughout ukraine. >> and one part of the playing into this, of course, that could be crucial is what's happening in moscow. i know that ukraine has denied direct involvement in the drone attack in moscow. but the adviser to president zelenskyy said, and i quote, we want those people who wanted to start this big european war to feel what it is like to live in a state of danger. do you want to see more attacks on moscow and inside russia itself? >> we want to see less, better none, attacks on our territory. we did not start this war, we did not provoke this war. it's totally aggressive, unjustified, unprovoked war. it's russia's war on our territory, on our land, not only shelling us but also torturing people, killing people, torturing people who are now

under the occupation, stealing our children. as we see, we get more and more reports on our children being forcefully transferred or being tortured on the occupied territory. there is only one goal for us, as we kept saying since february '24, is to defend our territory, to get russians out, and to restore our territory integrity. we have no interest whatsoever in attacking russia, never have, never will be. they should take care of their own problems, their own infighting. we just want them to be out from our country. >> the u.s. ambassador to nato said today, and i quote, we do not support any attacks on russian territory. my question to you in this regard when you were talking to, you were saying you were worried about depleting air defenses. and you want to continue to have the support of the united states and other western allies. are you worried that more attacks inside russia, however

they are being perpetrated, could cost ukraine support from the united states, from the western allies? >> look, we are very transparent with our partners. they know what we are doing. they know we need to defend ukraine. they know, and the transparency and accountability about the western aid, western defense equipment, but also budget support and other support that we are receiving from our friends and allies, and especially from the united states, is at a very high level as the former minister of finance, i can tell you that the reporting on all the support is literally on some of the items daily. so, no, we are positive that our partners know how we use all the support that we are getting. we use it in a very responsible manner. we use it in ukraine in order to defend ukraine. >> i want to play one thing for you, if i may, ambassador. how russian state television is covering these drone attacks in moscow. it's very interesting. here's a clip.

>> translator: i believe these strikes were very positive for us. >> translator: why? >> translator: for one simple reason. they will mobilize society. >> does that concern you, either that they're saying that, or do you think it could possibly be true? >> well, maybe that's why they are doing it. again, i don't know what is behind these attacks. but, to be honest, the russian society was supporting this war before the war, during the war. they unfortunately have been supporting this criminal war since 2014. and they have been pretty mobilized so far. i think they should mobilize in order to tell their leadership to take care of russia, to resolve problems that russian citizens have. and it's up to the russian citizens what they want to do with their country. >> ambassador, thank you very much. i appreciate your time.

>> thank you. and i want to go now to the retired air force lieutenant general charlie "tuna" moore. general, i appreciate your time. you hear that conversation with the ambassador. ukraine, obviously, is not taking responsibility for the attacks on moscow. they deny them outright. what do you think is the most likely scenario of who is responsible? >> well, good evening, erin. obviously, this could be some type of false flag operation conducted by the russians for the reasons that you just played in that tape. it's a way of galvanizing the russian citizens behind this continued war effort. or it could be the ukrainian forces, the military forces or some type of proxy force. if i had to guess, i would say it's more likely the matter. and the reason i say that is because i look at what's really to be gained by the type of operation that we saw occur inside of moscow today. and, in my mind, it's really about messaging the russians, that russia, and even moscow, and even a wealthy neighborhood

inside of moscow, is not safe, and should not be viewed as a sanctuary. and the reason that message is important is because that will then require the russians to use some of their air defense capabilities, whether it's missile systems, antiaircraft artillery, or electronic warfare capabilities to protect russia and moscow. and if they're protecting russia and moscow, they can't be used inside of ukraine. >> it's interesting how you lay all that out. what do you make of prigozhin? he almost seems to be sort of mucking up the works, yelling at russia's military leadership, calling them stinking animals and swine. was russia well enough prepared for this? i should note there was that drone attack that we don't know what was behind it a few weeks ago as well. >> yeah, i think, obviously, this event and the event that we saw when we actually saw the

kremlin itself gets hit, proves that they have a lot of holes inside the russian's air defense. the capital itself, that should be very concerning to russian citizens, and i think prigozhin has a point. >> these aren't even missiles, these are drones. i want to ask you one more thing, general. china, there is a video that we have just gotten in. this is from the u.s. department of defense. performing a, quote, unnecessarily aggressive maneuver. that's what they describe it as. this is a video that we're watching. what do you see when you look at this? how dangerous is it? >> obviously, a very unprofessional and dangerous act by what appears to be the j-16 fighter pilot. as soon as i saw this tape, i was reminded the event back in 2001. we saw a chinese j-8 fighter aircraft collide with a navy p-3 aircraft over the south china sea, so in the same area. the result was the chinese

aircraft was destroyed, the pilot was killed and we almost lost an entire aircraft full of american servicemen and woman. imagine that same event happening today with the tensions that we have between our two nations. very dangerous, and the chinese need to condemn it. >> all right, thank you very much, general, i appreciate your time tonight. , and next, the debt ceiling deal on the brink of clearing a major hurdle, but some republicans are furious at kevin mccarthy. will his speakership end over it? plus, it's long been the fast food darling of conservatives. so why are some republicans now turning on chick-fil-a? and joran van der sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of alabama teenager natalie holloway, injured in a prison brawl, and requesting to be extradited to the u.s. to face charges. okay. i'll work on that. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed.d. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base. only at sleep number.

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new tonight, the debt ceiling deal is on the brink of clearing a major hurdle, but it could come at a mainly cost to house speaker kevin mccarthy. the powerful house rules committee just clearing the way for the full house to get a vote tomorrow. they're furious with mccarthy, some of them even threatening to oust him from the speakership. manu raju is "outfront" on capitol hill. all right, manu, there are some who, late in the night when he finally became speaker, could've felt a day like this may come. is passage of the debt ceiling

agreement all but assured, separate from the speaker issue, or are there still more bumps ahead? >> reporter: well, there are certainly bumps ahead. but there's also confidence among the leadership that there will be the votes tomorrow to pass this bill that was intensely negotiated between the speaker and the white house to raise the national debt limit until january of 2025, and include a slew of concessions. but one thing is very clear, both sides are very unhappy about the deal, including democrats who believe the white house gave too much. >> i'm still undecided. i'm angry that we are being held hostage. and we are continuing to be held hostage because we do not have a choice. i think none of us believed that we can default on the debt ceiling. it is my husband's legacy, and why i'm so angry. i also care about -- >> as much as i believe from a budgetary perspective, republicans really didn't

accomplish much in this deal. we did make other concessions to them that are really tough to swallow. >> reporter: one of those concessions those democrats were talking about is a provision that would essentially streamline the environmental permitting process for certain projects. that's something that the late congressman, the husband of the congresswoman debbie dingell helped other. that is on the democratic side. on the republican side, there's anger on the far right that this agreement would suspend the debt limit for as long as it will, and also did not go far enough in terms of spending cuts. some are warning that mccarthy's speakership could be at risk. >> how much confidence do you have in the speaker right now? >> none, zero. what basis is there for confidence? >> is the speaker lying about the way he's characterizing this bill? >> yes, he's lying. if there were to be a departure from that specific commitment to have a majority of the majority, then i think that would be

trouble for the speaker. >> reporter: so, what congressman gaetz was saying is that if there are a fewer than a majority of house republican who's vote for this, then that could lead to an effort to oust mccarthy from the speakership. but, at the moment, there's confidence among top republicans that there will be a majority of house republicans and some democrats to push it over the finish line tomorrow. >> manu, thank you very much. i want to come straight to harry enten just to understand what's going on here. we don't know how many republicans at this point will vote with mccarthy when this ultimately gets to the floor. that's what matt gaetz is pointing out. separate from that, late, late evening, what is his track record on anything else when it comes to getting his party to back? >> very strong actually, if we essentially look at what share of the republicans stick with kevin mccarthy when there is majority party vote. we see about 97% of republicans stick with mccarthy on the

average vote. that's not as high as nancy pelosi when it was 99% back two years ago. but the fact is 97% is a very large percentage. and when we're talking about a majority of a majority, this is well north of that. the idea that he wouldn't get a majority of the majority on this debt ceiling thing seems far fetched. >> and the numbers matter. they tell a very clear story. so, who has an easier job selling this? you hear dissatisfaction on both sides, the republicans are mad about the irs, and the democrats are mad about pay-go requirements, work requirements. so, who has a harder job, mccarthy or biden? >> look, if you just look in terms of the general electorate and selling this to republicans and democrats at large, we know that democrats are very much behind joe biden nationally speaking. his approval rating is 81% in a recent quinnipiac poll poll. kevin mccarthy's is just 65%. now, there are more undecideds

among republicans. kevin mccarthy's approval rating, even when you take into account those undecideds, isn't anywhere near among republicans as biden's is among democrats. >> you see someone like dan bishop steadfast, angry, not happy at all. do republican voters echo that? is there that same strident reaction to this? >> i don't think most republican voters really care. and the way we know that is basically we can look at how closely they're following news about the debt ceiling. very conservative republicans who are very closely following the debt ceiling news. it's just 23% this year. you go back to 2011 when we had that debt ceiling debate. it was 48%. far fewer very conservative republicans. >> less than a quarter of very conservative republicans. >> exactly. less than a quarter. so dan bishop, there are some like him but very many who are not. >> harry, thank you. and that vote, of course, will likely hit the floor tomorrow. ron desantis is about to

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it is near des moines. and he has just met with more than a dozen local pastors. now, obviously, for desantis, this comes after his campaign launch which was of course filled with glitches on twitter. even desantis allies criticized it and called it a missed opportunity. jessica dean is "outfront." she is at that event. this is a pretty clear sign from desantis about what his game plan is to win iowa and to beat the former president trump. >> reporter: that's exactly right, erin. it's no accident that governor ron desantis is right here in iowa launching his campaign to a group of people in an evangelical church here. this is just the types of voters that he's trying to convince to support him instead of his key rival former president donald trump. and right now on stage we have iowa governor kim reynolds. she's said to be introducing him. this is just part of a broader strategy that we anticipate to see desantis on the campaign trail again and again, aggressively. they really want to set out to contrast him with trump and even

with president joe biden, both men significantly older, of course, than desantis. so they want to really project him as an energetic young new force to voters here in iowa, and then across the country. he is going to be in new hampshire, south carolina. and just as a reminder of kind of where their head is right now in terms of the campaign, he's going to be right back here on saturday. he'll be here with senator joni ernst for an event on saturday. he's going to spend tomorrow here in iowa. he going to go to south carolina and new hampshire and come right back here. and just with this crowd of evangelicals, they really think this is a type of voter that might've cooled on the former president. erin? >> thank you very much, jessica, of course, at that evangelical meeting in clive, iowa, where governor desantis will be

speaking. a national political reporter for "the messenger" who has covered ron desantis. and also with me republican strategist and the former special adviser to then president obama. thanks so much to all of you. mark, you just heard jessica laying out the plan. comes to iowa, going to south carolina and new hampshire, back to iowa. how much of a must-win is iowa in the eyes of the desantis campaign as they try to stop donald trump? and i say this with a caveat that you had rick santorum win iowa. it does not necessarily mean who's going to win the whole thing, but it seems very important to desantis. >> rick santorum wasn't running against donald trump. this is the place where they have to stop donald trump. so, for all the candidates including desantis, pardon the pun, it's their field of dreams. this is the place where they've got to stop the momentum of trump. if the polling is right and the

polling holds, and if donald trump winds up winning iowa, he's going to steam-roll into new hampshire and win new hampshire. and what's to stop him in nevada and south carolina? you've never had a republican candidate win iowa and new hampshire together, and lose the nomination. you win those two states, you win. desantis is obviously trying to win iowa and sling-shot in new hampshire. >> donald trump is also going to be in iowa tomorrow. i should just say a new poll finds a hypothetical head to head, trump has 56% of support among republicans. by the way, that does leave a lot of room for others. but right now that's a 21 percentage point over desantis who's the next one. two months ago that was neck in neck. so how hard does desantis need to do something he really has been loathe to do thus far, which is to go directly after

trump? >> he's going to have to start punching back. he's done it in interviews. we haven't really seen him do it full-throated in front of a crowd. if you're desantis, this looks like barack obama versus hillary clinton this far out with an even bigger gap. and then obama went to iowa and scored a knockout there. if you're desantis, it's you and trump versus a bunch of people nobody's ever heard of. i think he's in a better position. we'll see what he does tonight. >> what do you think, reena, iowa? >> there are many reasons to be optimistic about that state for ron desantis because of conservatives, evangelicals. he has a pretty favorable, you know, candidacy to appeal to iowans. and he's having these conversations with faith leaders not just in iowa, but around the country. and who knows how they're going. truly what we hear back is that, yeah, he should have a good reception. but this talk of how does he

move forward? i think before he declared officially, there was a lot of talk about abandoning these early states. and now it seems his advisers have wised up and understood that that would be a losing strategy. so now it seems that they're going all in on iowa. and i think that would also not be a good strategy. they can't be so short-sighted. they have to play the long game. but i think when we're talking about this moment for ron desantis, it's a very delicate moment for him. he is a known unknown, given that he is the governor of florida. he did receive a lot of acclaim for how he handled the pandemic era from republicans, there is still this sense that he's not a nationally known person, and so he's got that challenge. >> and here's the other thing. he is known, if he is known for some things, six weeks ago desantis signed a controversial six-week abortion ban into law in florida. six-week abortion ban. he signed it, he did it late at night. he didn't do a lot of fanfare.

the next day, he was giving a speech at liberty university, one of the largest christian universities in the world. he did not mention it. so, mark, you have some new reporting on this from inside team desantis, the six-week abortion ban. what are you hearing? >> well, what i'm hearing is that he's kind of having it both ways at the moment. it's a high-wire act. he knows this is good politics forum in the primary, but in the general election it doesn't look so good. the heartbeat bill, though, is a popular piece of legislation among republicans. governor kim reynolds in iowa, who is introducing or just introduced ron desantis signed one herself. and whenever desantis talks about it now, he does talk about it but usually in response to questions that he has with interviewers, usually they're conservative friendly interviewers. he mentions the fact that she had signed this legislation as well. it kind of ties back not only to the evangelical base but to that iowa, iowa, iowa aspect of his campaign where he is intensely focused. >> for the republican base, it

can be a positive. moderate republicans, it would seem not so much, and certainly not in a general election. how big of an issue is that six-week abortion ban and desantis' signing of that law for you when it comes to making a decision as a republican to support him for president? >> it is so massive, erin, because what he did he didn't have to do. i think he should've skipped doing that entirely because he's really being, again, short-sighted and not realizing that there is life after a gop primary. and, look, how trump handled the question of abortion in the cnn town hall with kaitlan collins was just, i think, quite masterful. it showed people that this guy can perhaps make it through a general. this abortion question is on the ballot in 2024. people who know desantis know that the average voter is consuming news far differently than they were in 2016. and so he's hoping that they have that short-term memory. but republican women don't

forget. that's all i got to say. >> this is going to be fascinating to see, the new monmouth poll finding that more than 60% of republicans believe trump is either definitely or probably the strongest gop candidate to beat president biden even though he lost to biden in 2020, even though they would both be the oldest president to take office if they win. what do you make of this poll? >> part of that is just, you know, he's a brand name, everybody knows who he is. you've got to be a real news nerd to know who a tim scott is. sununu, these are not people whose names have come up in the line when you're going through the checkout. part of this is he's the guy that people know. i also agree that him ducking and diving and dodging on abortion is smart for him because republican party is mass-producing single-issue voters on abortion against them, among the younger -- you saw it

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tonight, is chris christie next? launching a superpac to support his expected white house run. the group's website is entitled, tell it like it is. and it says kristy's presence on the gop debate stage. cnn is reporting that he sees himself as the only serious republican challenger willing to directly confront former president trump. however, there is another candidate already doing that, and that is the former republican governor of arkansas, asa hutchinson, who's been on the show many times, and he has been very clear in his arguments about why trump should not be president again. and joining me now "outfront" is asa hutchinson. so i appreciate your time. so, what's interesting here is you're a former governor, chris

christie's also a former governor. you both support abortion exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother. you're open to certain gun control measures. you said the 2020 election wasn't stolen. i guess, at least, we still have to mention that, but that's important for the republican party base. you said the party needs to move on from trump. all of these are things that the two of you happen to share. we're learning christy sees himself as the only serious republican challenger. >> chris christie is a friend. he was a fellow governor there in new jersey while i was governor of arkansas. and we've both been federal prosecutors. so there's a lot of similarity there. but i've been out there. i announced about a month ago. we have a great response in iowa. and i think the difference in our potential campaigns is that i will focus on iowa, i will look at new hampshire and be there as i will be tomorrow.

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address those. my experience matches the challenge, when you look at security along the border, i was responsible for border security during the bush administration. when you look at violence in our cities, i understand enforcing the law and how important that is. i've been a governor that balanced the budget. these are experiences that are really unmatched in the field, that i bring, and so i have a view of the presidency that you're supposed to bring out the best of america. and i believe that i can do that. and that's what will appeal. >> you're talking about very serious issues. obviously, there are some in your party, some of whom are running for president, who are focused more on cultural issues, the so-called woke. they're spending more time in those areas than they are in some of the areas you're mentioning. and, in that context, chick-fil-a has now entered into the fray. the fast food giant. so obviously a conservative darling, and it always has been. some conservatives are up in

arms on twitter. they want to boycott the company. they accused it of going woke because it has a vice president of diversity, equity, and inclusion, deia. this person's job description, governor, is, according to the company's website, to, quote, valuing difference, and creating a culture of belong. that's the job description. what do you think about this boycott? >> well, first of all, i think that's a very small minority of an extreme element that wants to boycott chick-fil-a. they've been such a wonderful member of our corporate community, they serve a wonderful product, they're christian-based, and we value that. so, this is an illustration of where you can disagree with a business, and i don't necessarily disagree with chick-fil-a, if they want to have a dei, that's their business. and, so, the key is that we don't use the power of government to punish businesses

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tonight, the prime suspect in the disappearance of natalie

holloway, joran van der sloot, injured in a prison fight in peru as he awaits extradition to the u.s. in connection with holloway's vanishing which was 18 years ago today. jean casarez is "outfront." >> reporter: joran van der sloot, one of peru's highest profile inmates, injured during a brawl in one of the country's most violent prisons. his lawyer telling cnn it was a fight among some inmates, and my client got involved when he tried to defend his friend. van der sloot is in prison for killing a woman in peru 13 years ago today. >> translator: i want to give a sincere confession. >> reporter: and the prime suspect in the shocking disappearance of american natalie holloway exactly 18 years ago today, may 30th, 2005. >> still no charges against the soul remaining suspect. >> reporter: 18-year-old holloway was last seen alive with van der sloot during her senior trip to aruba in 2005,

but he nighs killing her. >> he knows exactly what happened, he knows what, where, when, who, why, and how. he knows the answers. >> reporter: last week, in a letter to his lawyer, van der sloot said "i want to go to the u.s. to face charges not for murder, but for allegedly extorting thousands of dollars from holloway's family. >> we feel like if we just keep working hard and hanging in there, we will have answers. >> reporter: natalee's parents have remained relentless in her pursuit for answers. in 2010, a $50,000 reward for information was offered. van der sloot stepped forward. according to legal documents, he would reveal the location of natalee holloway's body, the circumstances of her death, and identify those involved in return for a payment of $250,000. the holloway's attorney went with van der sloot to a home in aruba, and a $25,000 down payment was given to him.

once there, van der sloot pointed to the residence and said that natalee's body would be found in the foundation. van der sloot emailed the holloways after fleeing to peru saying he had lied about the location of natalee's remains. surveillance video from a lima casino shows van der sloot gambling, it is believed with the $25,000 he got from the holloway family. there he met the daughter of a prominent peruvian businessman, stephanie flores. hours later, she was dead. >> translator: i am truly regretful for what i have done. >> reporter: van der sloot admitted to the violent murder and was sent to prison. now headed to the u.s., but still no answers as to what happened to natalee holloway. and the president of peru is the one that has granted permission for joran van der sloot to be extradited to the united states. it should happen by the end of june.

but with all the twists and turns from the very beginning in this case, who knows what's going to happen. but i will say one thing. this may be an extortion case. but to the holloway family, they want answers. they want to know what happened to natalee holloway. and he bargained in peru. it should have been a life sentence. he only got 30 years. so will he bargain here so finally they will have answers? >> it is incredible. and of course i know you were in peru, as so much of this played out. jean, thank you very much. and coming up on "ac 360," anderson will talk to the former director of the fbi james comey about his new book and donald trump's continued attacks on the rule of law. "outfront," the woman who swi swindled investors of hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions. lied about her magical blood testing machine, finally reporting to prison.

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tonight, elizabeth holmes, once a silicon valley icon, and the youngest self-made female billionaire, reporting to prison to begin her 11-year sentence. it was a stunning downfall for holmes. she was 19 years old when she dropped out of stanford to found the blood testing start-up theranos. eagerly she played the role of tech boss, magazine covers, a lot of awards. she made the point to look the part wearing black turtlenecks in a nod to steve jobs. it fell apart in 2014 when is the "wall street journal" revealed theranos was smoke and mirrors, found guilty of defrauding investors, and tonight she begins to pay the price. "ac 360" starts now.