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conditions saying, quote, why would you say want to the storm with 80 miles plus winds. videos posted online showed flooding in hallways and damaging cabins. reportedly everyone made it through okay according to reports of passengers, and they needed minimal systems for medical staff. cnn prime time with pamela brown starts now. >> there may be a deal with the nation can't breathe just yet. the drama only intensifying tonight with america join closer and closer to potential default, this time is not between the two parties it's mostly between republicans. but that deal with the just pass a crucial test fencing out of the republicans household committee this evening despite >> not one republican should vote for this deal. it is a bad deal. >> how much confidence do you have in this right now. >> none, zero. >> it's a speaker lying about
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the way he's characterizing this bill? >> yes, he is lying. >> members of the house caucus like congressman roy and bishop are still struggling to come with a strategy to actually block the deal tonight. and there is also a divide over whether to oust mccarthy as speaker. as for the republican leader he says he's not concerned about losing his post and can't seem to understand what all the fuss is about. >> i'm not sure what in the bill people are concerned about. it is the largest savings of 2. 1 trillion that we've ever had. >> a quick refresher share of what is in this deal over this memorial day weekend. it would replenish our near empty treasury with borrowed cash by suspending the debt ceiling for two years. it also includes caps on federal spending, more work requirements for food stamps and cuts to irs funding among other things. neither party got everything they wanted, something the senate republican leader noted on the floor earlier as all of this gop infighting plays out. >> a divided government means and a great deal. that means nobody gets
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everything they want. but in this case it means the american people got a whole lot more progress then washington democrats wanted to give them. speaker mccarthy and house republicans deserve our thanks. >> now that this bill has advanced there could be a full house vote as soon as tomorrow and the senate vote as soon as thursday. and of course president biden would have to send it before monday's deadline. we turn out to manu raju with the very latest, manu. >> right now this bill clearing a key hurdle on its way to the house floor tomorrow. moments ago the house rules committee, the first ethylated parosmias, voted 7 to 6 barely clearing enough votes getting majority votes that essentially ensures that this bill can be considered and approved by a majority vote. this vote that came tonight did not come without some drama. two republican members on the
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committee have emerged at some of the most outspoken critics of this bill. ship roy being one of them, ralph norman being another one. chip roy also contending there was a secret deal cut between him in the speaker. the deal between him -- all nine republicans on the house rules committee must agree to any of the rules before that bill is considered on the floor. that didn't happen, just seven of nine. even as mccarthy and his allies essentially reject the notion of some sort of secret deal all underscoring the tension ahead of tomorrow's vote. there are a number of republicans on the far-right who are concerned about this bill and argument did not go far enough. the speaker is not providing a correct and fair representation of all that is in them. particularly there is concerns
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about the length of the suspension. it would now extend to january of 2025. some want to fight a much shorter timeframe and extract concessions from the white house in an election year. but the speaker believes that this is the best approach and a lot of members agree with them. there is an expectation among the speaker and his closest allies that they would get a majority of the house calling friends behind him tomorrow. some members of the far-right freedom caucus or warning but it gets 150 votes or less, a majority of the house republicans -- that could lead to a push to essentially oust mccarthy from the speakership. so that will all play out tomorrow. even though there's an expectation that the bill will pass with bipartisan support, democrats will be needed to get this over the finish line. just moments ago, behind closed doors, the speaker himself trying to make a case to his members. he said his members, if you
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think i failed you i'm sorry, but if you think i failed, i think you're wrong. pam -- >> all right, manu raju, you are busy this week. thanks so much, appreciate it. just in moments we are going to speak with a republican who is against the bill so be sure to stand by for that. but first, florida governor ron desantis kicking off his bid for the presidency in earnest tonight saying republicans need to and what he calls a quote culture of losing. >> it's time we imposed our will on washington d. c.. . and you can do it is if you don't win. >> despite the glitchy twitter event it looks like erwin a republican campaign usually does. his first step, a church outside of des moines, iowa. he's going to follow that with a three-day sweep through key early states including new hampshire and south carolina. a pro desantis super pac is spending big money in iowa but the latest cnn national numbers still have him pulling at about half of what donald trump is. join me here at the table cnn's eva mckend and npr eric
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degnan's. former biden harris campaign official ashley allison and former trump 2020 campaign spokeswoman sarah matthews. so the speech tonight had a lot of the same dark themes, sarah, that trump has always pushed. but at the same time, you know, desantis is trying to draw a contrast between himself and trump. >> yes and i think that one where he is trying to do that is the electability argument. him saying that there is a culture of losing right now and that is the correct fair point. i am a republican who is tired
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of losing. trump lost us the house in 2018 -- his handpicked candidates, the 2022 midterms. i think you're going to have to different you save more -- it is interesting to see how desantis will define himself. i think one place that he has done an effective way of doing that is with covid. he's tried to say hey look trump didn't, trump was looking down the country, i opened up florida. he needs to do more of that by painting a starker contrast between him and trump beyond just electability. >> and he also said tonight he is going to impose his will on washington. and he blames what he said or the problems of the country on left-ism, i'm woke ideology, what do you make of that actually? >> we're here in washington and
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the republican caucus can't even stay together to make sure we don't default on our debt. so i don't think it's the left that is really the problem. i think what desantis is actually doing is pretty interesting. there is a long way to go in this republican primary and i think he just really wants to stay alive. i don't know if he even thinks he can get number one and iowa but he's like, i windsor used to kind of going against the status quo. in 2000 and they picked barack obama, in 22 2020 they picked people to judge.
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in 2016 they pick donald trump who, at that point, was not part of the washington establishment. so i think he's thinking let me see if i can get number two in iowa. the move on to new hampshire and maybe somebody else wins new hampshire, maybe chris sununu if he gets in the race. and that just keeps me viable and also counters that trump was the almighty winner of the republican primary. it's also a small pool of voters and i was so makes a lot of sense if you are trying to capture momentum off the bat and shake up this merit of that trump is going to walk away with the primary right away to really invest in that state. part of the seeker weapon that he has is the super pac. he's right there outside along
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's campaign volunteer speaking to voters, registering voters, engaging the voters. he has that. the only thing i think that maybe is a miscalculation from my conversations with democratic voters and independent voters, moderate democrats. it's he makes this argument that trump has a ceiling and he has more appeal with this slice of the electorate. that he can appeal to more independents than trump can. right now democrats have pretty effectively messaged internally that trump and desantis are equally extreme. that is something that he is
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going to have to contend with. >> it's been really interesting to see this because i feel like desantis has really gone after trump as much as he really needs to to make an impression. if he comes in second and iowa he is pulling second nationally behind trump anyway so is that really a victory? that's what everyone expects. i live in florida i live in st. petersburg, in the tampa bay area. and one thing that i know is that desantis does scare off middle of the road voters. everything that he's doing to try to appeal to the maga base is turning off swing voters, people who are a little more conservative, a little less conservative. and i think that's the needle
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lot. so how do you think desantis should handle that? we've seen him come out and start to attack trump more but not the full fledged, as you know attacks the heat you believe he should be doing right now. >> i think that he is going to have to take trump head on in order to make a case for why voters should support him instead. and that is something that he seems to be doing a little bit more now that he is actually declared candidate. but he's definitely going to have to ramp it up. i will say, to, on iowa, that is going to be a place where desantis could really turn things around. he's had some early stumbles in his campaign but the never backed down his super pac, they have already said that they have knocked 50,000 doors in iowa alone already. and that's the kind of campaigning that i think could really turn things around. >> i was reading today that there's a political operative working for desantis who also helped ted cruz win in iowa back in 2016. do you think the fact, even, the trump has such a big lead means that i will matters more than a historically has? >> it's known, historically, to surprise people. so it makes a lot of sense, the strategy, i think. one of the pastors that i met just a few weeks ago out here, at the faith an freedom coalition, he happened to be one of the pastors praying with one of the, one of the 15 pastors pthoftherth all go fo months out therei the>> 64% of born-a>> he needs toan impressi to do something to the needle. oit is when barwon in iowa it was a liwh stumbles, good at regional politics, trust what he nea transformative if i to contup next we wi no onand she was once the da o but tonight, elizabeth
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house rules committee advances the bill to the floor. >> speaker mccarthy is under serious fire from his own party. joining us now one republican who has said she is a no on the deal and its current form. congresswoman victoria smarts of indiana. you just left of the buckeyes behind closed doors meeting with mccarthy. are you now going to vote for the steal? >> thank you for having me. as someone who spent over a decade in congress i want to share some numbers with you. the current deal that we have is reducing our spending by 1. 5 trillion over ten years. we have just this year in addition to all of the debts 1. 5 trillion. so we are not getting to pre-covid numbers adjusting for inflation with our discretionary spending. with our mandatory spending we
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are touching almost nothing. we don't even have a conversation how we can resolve this fiscal insanity. -- 50% are not audited. almost 150 billion money was not proper payments. i'm very disappointed that we cannot have a serious conversation about the future of our country. i would say, one of the great artists michelangelo said the biggest danger for most of us is not that we set our expectations too high and achieve them but actually too low and reach them. and i think the expectation was set to low and american people need to demand more from congress. >> to be clear you are still a no on this current deal? >> i don't think it is actually a deal with. >> a no. so what is stopping republicans then from passing what you want without tying it to the debt ceiling? you heard from mcconnell earlier today saying look it's a divided government, compromise with -- were not just wait and do it separately. >> we should be part of the ceiling we only -- 90% of our spending is unauthorized by congress and continuous spending. we -- this is the only time we actually can have a conversation going places, politics, peoples lives, do
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nothing. i hate to say, it should be part of the deal. >> do you think the country defaulting on its debt is a solution to your concerns? >> i think we could if we have to give more time we could vote on in this proposal and give some more time. but not in 24 hours. i would be willing to give short extensions so we can have a serious conversation where we can save money in our budget. maybe for a change actually pass budget when [inaudible] i'm willing to do that. >> time is of the essence, though, as you know the treasury secretary janet yellen says that everything needs to be in by june 5th. even getting close to the dead by badly damaged the economy in 2011. what cuts would be worth a repeat of taking this to the brink? 2011 is a great example of what could happen when you get too close. >> we had over months to have this conversation and nobody wanted to deal with that. politicians like to put it to the deadline then they can do whatever they want. it's better than having a serious conversation about it. you always have these deadlines. you want to expand our deadline for another month i would be
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willing to do it even though it's strange to me the democrats control the house and senate last year they didn't deal with it. chuck schumer didn't even passed the bill. the process should work, house passes the bill, senate passes the bill. that's how the process should work, then everyone passed the bill. this is neglect of duty. i would be willing to say for a short period of time when -- we and of course the reasoning that the negotiators say that is because they don't want this to be a big part of the upcoming presidential election. if this deal passes without a republican majority one of your colleagues says mccarthy should be ousted? do you agree? >> i think kevin did what he could, i don't think he put good face in efforts and negotiated. i probably disagree some of the things he did. but i think he tried to work hard and we will see how he continues to do. it's hard to be a leader. we have a disagreement but ultimately i don't believe that people feel right now that he completely failed even though he did fail on this deal. i truly believe we could've done much better, we must do much better. this is our duty to the american people to do much better. >> just to be clear -- you don't believe it should
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lead to his ousting, correct? >> he did what he could. from what he started i disagree with that but i think he had good faith efforts. ultimately the jury is out with some other things, we will see what he is going to do. but i don't think for one thing i disagree he should be taken out of his office. i think he is trying very hard, it's a very difficult job. if you want to lead you have to be tough and be able to win this difficult job and i do not consider it to be a win. . >> congresswoman victoria sports thank you for your time this evening. >> up next elizabeth holmes reporting the prison. what she faces in her next decade plus behind bars.
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i truly believe we could've done much better, we must do much better. this is our duty to the american people to do much better. >> just to be clear -- you don't believe it should lead to his ousting, correct? >> he did what he could. from what he started i disagree with that but i think he had good faith efforts. ultimately the jury is out with some other things, we will see what he is going to do. but i don't think for one thing i disagree he should be taken out of his office. i think he is trying very hard, it's a very difficult job. if you want to lead you have to be tough and be able to win this difficult job and i do not consider it to be a win. . >> congresswoman victoria sports thank you for your time this evening. >> up next elizabeth holmes reporting the prison. what she faces in her next decade plus behind bars.
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was disgraced up to printer elizabeth holmes today turning herself into federal prison camp ryan in texas. it's a stunning turn for a former silicon valley darling. her company throws was once valued at around nine billion dollars after quitting it could accurately test for hundreds of health issues using just a few drops of blood. in november holmes was convicted on multiple counts of defrauding investors. she is now set to spend the next 11 years of her life in that minimum security prison camp. alongside 600 other women offenders. so what exactly would be like in their? my next guest has firsthand experience. howie coleman is a former inmate turned paralegal and advocate for women's prison reform. she helps run pkd prison consultants which is run by people who used to be incarcerated. holly, for the rich and powerful who do face prison time there is this belief, this perception that some are let off the hook by being sent to kushner prisons. what's the reality here when it
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comes to this prison for elizabeth? >> there is no such thing as camp cupcake. there is no club fed. these are prisons and she's experiencing prison like conditions. her first step in today she was processed and that leave the ground by moving her right through the system. she is getting quite the dose of reality because covid has been very rampant still in federal prisons. so she's been placed in pointing with other women that have either self surrendered or have been transferred from other civility, facilities. so she hasn't even made it yet to a cubicle where she would have three other inmates with her. you have to remember, a lot of these prisons were also on super fund fights, so there is contaminated water. you every year as women come
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and go there are no cleaning supplies that contain any bleach. so they have a pink solution that is flushed around, it's filthy, it's 30, it's rundown. she's experiencing also coming in you've got people who are very upset with her because she refuses to take that responsibility of possibly endanger, and it had endanger friends. you've got that on top of her as well but it's not necessarily a great time for her. >> she's not just another in may, she was a high-profile national story. she's likely as you point out, she will be recognized she will be the first well-known inmate there. we know the real housewives of salt lake city star jennifer charles is serving her time there for her involvement in a telemarketing fraud scheme. how do you think being a celebrity or well known figure will affect her treatment there?
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>> again, it's the -- she's unique individual. it's a little different from jen shaw. it's because of that indifference of the way that she has portrayed herself, elizabeth has, that it's going to be harder on her. the women aren't going to be friendly to her. the officers are certainly not going to be friendly to her. she is going to experience people may get in her face more, they may shine their lights at her when doing their checks. she's got an 11 year sentence and -- she still got nine years if she doesn't take any classes or other things. that's nine years of this reality. she's going to need to, she's become very humbled very quickly. >> it sounds like she's going to be in a very humbling environment for quite some time. she still appealing her
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conviction, we should know. her request to remain free on bail was denied earlier this month. one of the reasons that she put forward is that she is a mom to a two-year-old and a newborn now just three months old. but there be accommodations made for her in that regard? because they are young kids. >> no. there are very young kids i served time with women who were pregnant and had kids at home, it doesn't matter, that will not take into any consideration of lessening anything overtime. she needs to really try and keep her relationships and that means you get 300 minutes a month for phone calls, that's ten minutes a day. there's email. there's video chats. but that's not the same thing.
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>> what about visitation having her kids visit her? >> visitation, again with covid right now, there are visitations. but there is a process for prison families having declared first and then having them come in and see mom only from atm to maybe three pm in the afternoon. it's going to take its toll. plus there's things on the backside for elizabeth. when she goes into visitation there are things that she has to go through such as perhaps search as well as perhaps the strip search on the way back out. that's why a lot of women forego even having a visitation. but i know that she has these young children so she is going to need to try her best. >> holly coleman, wow, thank you for coming on, appreciate it. but up next, a dangerous turn in russia's invasion of ukraine. the war has come to vladimir putin's doorstep. both capitals on alert tonight after a series of attacks. now ukraine is bracing for putin's revenge.
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ukraine denies any direct involvement in this attack. but it's the latest sign that the war could be entering a new phase. president volodymyr zelenskyy has even said that the timings of ukraine's counteroffensive has been set. cnn's jim sciutto is here to break down the very latest. a lot has been going on these last 24 hours, bring us up to speed. >> the biggest thing is that ukraine is proving its ability to strike in russian controlled territory. russian controlled territory inside ukraine taking over the invasion but also crucially inside russia. here it kursk across the border in belgorod. for nash, but in moscow. and on civilian targets there it seems with drones, now ukraine has not claimed responsibility but they've not denied direct responsibility for this. the key seems to be showing in ability to attack behind enemy lines even on the russian homeland. and the crucial timing here is that in advance of this highly anticipated ukrainian counter offensive. showing an ability to attack
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their but also keeping russia on its toes. they don't know where they might strike next. >> it seems as though it is. vladimir putin said this was terrorist activity. as you point out that ukrainians, top officials there are saying we did not have direct, keyword, involvement in what happened in moscow. what more do we know about how these drones were used? >> we don't know what specific drones were used. we do know that in the past ukraine has used old soviet air drones. this goes back to the 70s. capable as drones -- to your point, they don't deny, they are denying direct responsibility, they are not denying any responsibility here. that's key because, listen, we've talked a lot about the ukraine war. russia throughout the war has attacked ukrainian civilian sites in kyiv including
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horribly in the last 24 hours and going back all across the country here. for ukraine to attack a civilian target inside russia's just stab and could create tension between ukraine and its nato backers and the u.s. for attacking civilian targets because it has given them the moral high ground not to attack civilian targets to this point. >> and of course allies including the u.s. giving ukraine tons of weapons. but there is also always been that concern or precondition that they should not happen. >> it's not clear that ukraine has used, in fact there's no evidence that ukraine has used western supplied weapons to strike russian territory. certainly civilian targets in moscow. that could create divisions between ukraine and its western backers, it's already used such weapons to do so given all the purely understandable and justifiable anger but the u.s. and western allies have expressed due to russia's attacks on civilian targets inside ukraine. >> it's interesting that the u. s. supplied patriot missiles have been helping to save lives
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there in ukraine. >> no question, and they've been very successful. we should not equate the two of these things because russia's been attacking -- first of all, russia attacked ukraine unprovoked -- >> that's really important. >> close to you and have since it invaded ukraine. we >> can't lose sight of that for sure, thank you so much. let's get more perspective now from former u.s. ambassador to nato kurt volker. he was also the u.s. special envoy to ukraine. best vocal thanks for coming on. this morning russian president putin responded to the moscow drone attacks. here's what he said. >> we will keep chose the path of intimidation of russian citizens and attacks on residential buildings. it is a clear sign of terrorist activity. >> calling this terrorist activity suggests how seriously he takes this and the kind of response he could take. do you think putin might use this moment as grounds for even more severe tactics? >> first off i think if putin could use more severe tactics he would already be doing it. his forces are doing very badly in ukraine, he's escalated the attacks on ukrainian cities
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already. if you could do more he would. and i think his messaging here is really about trying to reassure the russian public who have got to be freaking out that there are actually attacks happening inside russia. now something that hit they had not seen before. he's called this a special military operation. he has said that this is responding against nato, responding against mounties and ukraine. and now all of the sudden there's actually something happening inside russia. this is putting pressure on him, he's trying to control the
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narrative. >> what does that do in terms of public sentiment in russia? the fact that russian civilians are now feeling the effects of this war on their own soil? >> the first thing is i think it's bringing home to them the idea that this is actually a war. putin has tried to portray this as a special military operation faraway dealing with something inside ukraine and fully justified. the fact that this is not what's happening is already evident to lots of people. russia has lost so many people, so much equipment, the war has gone on so long. now that they see something inside russia i think it adds to their confusion. moving i want to come back to, he's making an assumption that ukraine was targeting civilian targets. we don't know that. we don't know what the targets were because of the drones that were fired were shot down by russia.
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we don't know where they were going. it could've been military targets. we also don't know where they were fired from or where who did it. we also have to assume that ukraine would have to facilitate this in some way but there's a lot we don't know so we shouldn't jump to assumptions. >> let's talk more about that. as jim emphasized ukraine is basically denying direct involvement but how credible is that? clearly very careful word selection there. how credible is it, especially in our previous reporting that u.s. intelligence picked up chatter of ukrainian officials blame each other for the kremlin john attack? >> first thing is that remember last week we saw these attacks inside russian territory in belgorod. these were all russians who are against vladimir putin and gathered to military quitman. maiden incursion just to prove a point that they could do so. they probably could not have done that without some kind of tacit ukrainian support. but at the same time it wasn't ukrainians doing it, it wasn't
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ukraine conducting the attacks. as far as the drones go we don't know where they are fired from and i think that's significant. because it's a long way from the ukrainian border to moscow, with a lot of air defenses along the way. for these drugs to get their it indicates to me that they probably weren't fired from ukraine but somewhere inside russia. even then we don't know who did it, it could be ukrainian special forces, it could be these kind of russian partisans. it could be facilitated by ukraine in some way. it's just a lot that is unclear. >> kurt volker, thank you for offering your perspective tonight. up next, the war on woke picks a red state darling as its next target. why critics are going after chick-fil-a and how the chain is responding. rive off the lot. or more. that's why farmers new car replacement pays to replace it with a new one of the same make and model. get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ farmers mnemonic ♪
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announcing its new vice president of diversity, equity, and inclusion. also known as dei. eric mac reynolds has worked at the fast food giant for more than 16 years. and has been with its unit since 2020. chick-fil-a says the initiative will focus on promoting equal access to opportunities, valuing differences and creating a culture of belonging. it's important to know that it does not mention the lgbtq+ community. chick-fil-a has faced criticism in the past for giving financial support to organizations with anti lgbtq views. and yet, this announcement still sparked outrage among some conservatives online. they're calling for a boycott over the companies, quote, anti-white, anti-christian, woke agenda. saying chick-fil-a has gone woke. how many more times can i say woke right there? what is the scene here? what is this in? >> okay, just baseline, dei is about creating -- for corporate america, is about creating environments for their employees to have, to belong, to feel safe, to be seen. it's also an opportunity for then their consumers to get that same experience when they come and frequent their stores.
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in this case, to go buy some chicken wings and waffle fries. the people who are anti this are anti anything that provides opportunities for a person like me. for everybody sitting, women people of color lgbtq. they don't want anyone to have a seat at the table. the reality is, they will not feel any difference from this policy or this new position if they like chick-fil-a and go higher it. they just want somebody to plame, they want a bogeyman, they want to say this is woke. the funny thing is, this policy actually might help them. if they were to go on into a store and spout some views that might not be as popular to some of the chick-fil-a customers, they could also to fill inclusion and equity in that moment. it's frustrating because they are using a word, one, incorrectly. wokeism. but, to dei as a sin, as you said, when really it's just about what america is supposed to be about. welcoming immigrants, welcoming people from all backgrounds to have an opportunity in this
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country. >> i want to actually get to that point you just made about using the word woke incorrectly. that, like i said, is what they're trying, the critics are trying to hammer home. >> basically what people are trying to do is demonize certain words. we saw rush limbaugh try to demonize the word feminism. now some conservatives are trying to demonize the word woke. there's a certain fragility there. they can't tolerate the mention of inclusion without jumping on this issue. but i think it does get to a very central difference between liberals and conservatives, which is this idea that systemic racism, and systemic oppression holds back
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marginalized groups in this country. the fact that a company like chick-fil-a, that is considered friendly to conservatives, that is very religious, felt the need to hire someone like this and promote them, they seem to be acknowledging that there is something out there they need to work. they need to focus on it. they need to make an effort to be inclusive to people. i think it's a wonderful thing. i think some conservatives feel very threatened. >> i want to get your take on this, because, chick-fil-a is considered a red state darling. right? how widespread is this
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criticism among conservatives against chick-fil-a? >> i think this is just online, a lot of twitter trolls who are making something out of nothing. if they are going to be except that chick-fil-a has a diversity equity and inclusion department, and a dei statement on their website, then i would encourage them to go look up every single major corporation that they frequent daily. because most major corporations have that kind of department, and statement on their website. it does seem a little ridiculous to me that people are calling for the boycott of chick-fil-a. especially an organization that
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glorifies god, and promotes christiane 80, and donate to christian organizations. it feels like the wrong target for their ira. but at the same time, selfishly, i love chick-fil-a. so if this means shorter lines it chick-fil-a, i'm all for it. >> you are all for. it i don't know if it will. though i don't know if this is actually going to hurt, bottom line. >> between getting the conservatives mad and lgbtq people, there may be plenty of room at chick-fil-a's if they don't get right on some of these issues. >> here's the bottom line. as you point out, just about
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every company has a diversity and inclusion part of it. so did they just want every company wiped out that house that is a part of its mission statement? >> yeah. it feels like they didn't think through. that >> no, i think that's their point. they don't want -- they want to invoke so much fury and anger that companies run away from it. look what just happened with target and people coming in and protesting having t-shirts on it with rainbows. i don't think target made the correct decision in pulling the products that were on there. but that's their hope, is that people will run scared. the reality is, most of these companies actually did not have these policies before 2020, the murder of george floyd. there was a racial conversation in our country about really what you are talking about earlier, systemic racism. and companies realize they need to look within to try to get right. a lot of them have it out their website, it doesn't always mean it comes out in all of their actual policies. but just to your point on the wokeism, they are using the language that candidates in the front running, like some of the top candidates of the republican party are using. this wokeism, this, they're trying to take your country. it's the others. us versus them. it is quite dangerous. it makes people feel like there isn't enough space in our country for everyone to belong. unfortunately, it's a political ploy, thawo it's not actu it's not actu countr here's how tommy lost 30 lbs on noom weight.
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