three decades with all of these health challenges. >> reporter: this analyst also says sometimes south korean intelligence is influenced by the country's political leaders when they publicize assessments over the north korean leader's health, that it's sometimes in their interest to put out information on any potential physical weakness of the dictator even if there are questions over its accuracy. alex? >> brian todd, thank you for that fascinating report. and, finally tonight, if you're a fan of the "new york times" cross word puzzle, the clue for 17 across might've caught your eye in today's puzzle, the longtime host of cnn's situation room is of course our very own wolf blitzer. hope you got that right. thank you so much for watching. i'm alex marquardt in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, cnn exclusive reporting federal prosecutors have trump on tape admitting he kept a classified pentagon document after he left the white house.

trump also on tape undermining his own defense. so, is it a smoking gun for prosecutors or not? the former white house lawyer for trump ty cobb will be "outfront." plus, a new message from the head of the russian private army, the wagner group. we are learning new details about just how paranoid putin has become about other russians. we've got that for you this hour. plus, a court clearing the way for a manson family member to be granted parole. will the manson follower now in her 70s go free? let's go "outfront." and good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, trump on tape. federal prosecutors now have trump's own words as key evidence in its classified documents investigation. according to sources, trump is heard on tape acknowledging that he held onto a classified document about plans for a potential attack in iran. so that is significant in and of itself, admitting that he held onto that. and then, secondarily admitting there are limits to his actual ability to declassify documents,

which undercuts the main defense we've heard from again and again, which is that any document he wanted declassified was just, poof, declassified. we've heard this ever since the fbi's search of trump's mar-a-lago back in august of last year. here is someone from trump's inner circle just days after that search. >> this is from president trump's office. it just came in a few minutes ago. he had a standing order, there is the word i've been looking for, that documents removed from the oval office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. >> a few weeks later trump himself made this infamous statement. >> if you're the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified even by thinking about it. a magical thinking excuse. then a few weeks ago during cnn's town hall, trump said it again. >> i have no classified documents. and, by the way, they become

automatically declassified when i took them. >> now, trump's campaign tonight responding to cnn's reporting. the statement reads, in part, leaks from radical are designed to inflame tensions and continue the media's harassment of president trump and his supporters. now, kaitlan collins helped break this exclusive report. she joins me now. kaitlan, this is incredible whwhen you think about it. lordy, i hope there are tapes. and now here there actually are. what more do you know about the actual context of this conversation trump was having? >> what's fascinating to me is this is months before thuge figt that happened to get the documents that trump had back to the national archives. that's when they sent those 15 boxes, it was around december, january. this was back in the summer of 2021. he's not at mar-a-lago, he's at bedminster, his club there in new jersey. and he's angry. he's in this meeting where people who are writing an autobiography for his former chief of maf mark meddews. he's angry about this new yorker

story and how basically general milley who is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, one of the highest-ranking officials in the national security realm for trump, was worried he would try to take military action in iran as he was in those waning days the presidency disputing the election results, of course lashing out at many people around him. and what's notable of this recording, which we haven't heard, but people have described to us is he's indicating that he's got this document that he says will undermine what milley is saying. the point of this is he's indicating he can't share it with the people in the room with him because he has an ability to declassify documents despite what he is claiming publicly. he says something to the effect of, if i could show you this, but he can't actually show it to them. >> that's the significance. >> you can hear him on the recording rustling a paper around. we don't actually know that that was in fact a document or that it was returned. but he is indicating to these

people that he knew he took classified information and he had it but he couldn't show it to them. >> we don't know where that document is now. what are you all learning that investigators did with this information when they got the tape they listened to it. what have they done with it? >> it doesn't appear that they've known about it for that long. because recently -- i mean, this episode has generated enough interest that they took the step of having general milley come in and speak to the investigators. we don't know if he was subpoenaed. but he is still the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and is still conducting business on a daily basis in the pentagon. he was called before the investigators. the fact that it was big enough for them to speak with him, which i'm told did happen recently, is really notable. and i think it raises the question of whether or not trump's legal exposure here, given so much of this is undercut what he said publicly at town halls, the idea that what his attorneys have said as well, which is that everything happened so quickly when he moved that he just took these documents with him, didn't really know what it is.

this audio seems to show he does know what he has, that he can't show it, and it's a big interest to the special counsel jack schmidt. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. it is incredible when you think about the reality of the fact that there are tapes. "outfront" now let's go to former trump white house lawyer ty cobb. so, ty, when we've talked about this so many times. you have told me the special counsel has an open and shut obstruction case in the classified documents probe. but now we know the special counsel has this tape of trump, admitting there are limits on his ability to declassify documents. let's just start with that one very specific point. what does that mean for possible charges here? >> well, it could mean two things. one, it further enhances the obstruction case. because it eviscerates the two defenses that trump has put forward, the first being that merely by taking documents, he declassifies them, or that he has the authority if he is playing with the ducks in the

hot tub to declassify them in his own mind. those are out the door now because he's admitted that he understood there were restraints on what he could do with documents. as we know from the 16 agency letters that were disclosed two weeks ago and the multiple people who advised him to that effect from the white house counsel's office upon his departure. so that's a compelling fact. this makes it easier to prove. but it wasn't -- it's not in real dispute. on the other hand, it does show that he's been deceptive in his own statements. the second is it could put additional pressure on jack smith to tie the obstruction case to the actual possession in use or dissemination of the classified documents.

now, whether he will or not is, of course, for him to decide. it's a strategic decision. my own view is he doesn't need to extend or compromise the obstruction case by taking on the burden of the classified documents case because he gets the full benefit of the classified documents, evidence anyway in through statements like this. so i think this makes the obstruction case more compelling. it could add the two cases, the obstruction and the possession and use of the classified information together. but that would delay things. and i don't see any eagerness on the part of jack smith and his team to slow down. i think they have -- i think they have their foot on his

neck. i noticed that trump, as he did three days before he was indicted by alvin bragg, was raising money today on the alleged coming indictment by jack smith. so i think trump and his own team believe this is going to come quickly. >> and i just want to follow up on this point about what the documents were about. we understand that what he's talking about on the tapes is this classified document detailing a potential strike on iran. he's rustling papers around. it's unclear whether that was the exact paper, sort of the implication is that it is, but it's unclear. but he's talking about classified information, acknowledging the limitations ain sharing it. but does it increase the chances for charges here, you know, related to whether it be espionage or anything like that, given that you're talking about sensitive classified information about foreign policy? >> it could. but i'm not sure that it will, given who the audience was and

what the intent of the conversation was. it would be different, of course, if he was selling this. >> but you're saying because it's mark meadows, essentially a ghost writers' team that it may be different? >> right. but the question you ask about what was he rustling? one of the key questions that is open here is the document that we're referring to here -- >> all right, it sounds like we just lost ty's connection there froze. i want to go straight to our panel here to respond to what he was able to share with us. ryan goodman and alyssa farah griffin. so, welcome to both of you. alyssa, let me just start with you to respond to what ty is saying here. you worked closely with trump, obviously, and closely with classified documents in several of your roles both at the white house and at the department of defense. did you get the sense that trump understood the rules of

classification beyond, oh, if i think about it, therefore it is? >> yes. that every much so did. and i can think of a number of instances where he wanted to declassify something maybe because of how it was playing in the media. he went through the channels working with his national security advisers and others and was told not to. so he knew there was a process in place in the west wing. there were many things he was interested in declassifying that never were in fact put out. but can i note one thing on this? because the legal thing, the national security and homeland security implications of this document existing at a country club in new jersey military options to take a strike on iran. i mean, we have had our former secretary of state mike pompeo still travel with security after the soleimani incident.

>> trump authorized a strike of a high-ranking irgc member, and that there had been this very clear articulated, that there was going to be a response. >> exactly. and to simply have those options lying about poses threats to anyone who came in proximity to them. it's stunning on multiple levels. >> ryan, i think that context here is so crucial. when we talk about the legal ins and outs here. ty cobb's been very clear on the obstruction part. i know you agree with him on that. in the context of what alyssa's saying, this document being out and about at a country club when people have security details who were former members of the administration because of threats from iran. does that change the case on espionage for the special counsel? >> absolutely. this is probably among the most highly classified documents in the national security apparatus of the u.s. government. the plans for attacking iran. and it would be enormously prejudicial to u.s. national security to have this out there in the wild, let alone to be

discussing it with people who do not have security clearances, the other people in the room have no security clearances. and that's what the espionage act is about. it would nail almost any u.s. official who would have those documents out and about and discussing them with people writing an autobiography. we now know that trump knows he has it after being in office. and this is national defense information of the highest order. >> when you go through the details here, are you surprised -- we understand -- okay, let's just say, from things we already know. we knew he had classified documents lying around his office. so clearly he knew he had them. we've established that already. but we obviously had not established the specifics of a document like this one. are you surprised even given what you know, information about

emmanuel macron, the love letter to kim jong un, that this would have been among the documents? >> this was very striking to me because i've always said this case is going to come down to what's actually in the documents. and the public should never know beyond just high level what is in the documents because of the security implications. but military options, that's usually eyes open, that's password protected. unless there was a reason i needed to know, i would probably never have this ability. this is the highest tier of senior officials who are literally making decisions on a military strike. and it seems like the motivation was simply to defame mark milley or to try to say he wanted to be more aggressive toward iran. by the way, i worked for general milley as well. i would always believe him over mark meadows and donald trump in terms of his intentions. he is somebody who knew the risks posed by donald trump taking some kind of just action that was significant in the final days of his presidency. this is reckless at every level. >> in that context, when trump has said -- and i repeated it

over a year -- documents were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. you can declassify just by saying declassify, even thinking about it. they become automatically declassified when i took them. this at least exposes all of those things to be lies. does that matter? >> absolutely. it matters in the first sense that he can't raise it in defense. now we can look back at all those statements and they were deceptive. so that's what the prosecutors would say to the jury. why do you think he's engaging in this public deception? why is he not owning up to it? why is he making up an excuse that we know to be wrong or a lie? >> thank you both very much. i appreciate it. and we have ty cobb back. i just want to ask you one very crucial thing here, which is, at this point, given what you now know, given these tapes, if you were still trump's lawyer in this case, what would you tell him to do based on how solid the

evidence is now against him? >> so i would be explaining to him that, one of the things that's confirmed is the discussion you and i have had for over a year about my belief that meadows has been cooperating all along. two, for the reasons you just described and the sensitivity, the milley documents will never see the light of day. there are mechanisms you can go through to make them part of the charge, but it would be difficult to use them as exhibits because they're our crown jewels. we're not going to share that with the world. but i'd be telling trump that he's dead, he needs to see what he can work out, what might be a reasonable resolution with certain admissions by him. i know for a fact that will

never happen. trump is not capable of being accountable. his narcissism cripples him in that way. he will not admit guilt. he wants this to delay as long as possible with the hope that he'll be in the presidency before this gets to a jury, that he can then pardon himself under his own theory, and he's already shown the willingness to burn the country down. this is not an obstacle in his head. he believes he can win, and he will never ever admit guilt. so, there will be a lot of people telling him that. i mean, at least three of the prosecutors involved, all good lawyers, todd blanch, john rally, experienced department of justice officials, i'm sure will be trying to explain that to him. but he won't yield. he's not going to yield on that. >> all right, well, ty, thank you very much.

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and graphic threat, certainly not the first time that prigozhin has lashed out, of course, under pressure. the war he is fighting has caused that pressure, making its way deeper into russian territory. artillery and drone attacks in the country are on the rise. nuclear weapons should be used to destroy elon musk's starlink satellites which is a crucial technology that ukraine is believed to use to launch drone strikes. >> translator: i think it's time to turn up the heat. we understand that all drones and everything else works for americans only while starlink exists. so, if we carefully launch our nukes into space, then there will be no starlink left. >> sam kiley is "outfront." >> reporter: ukraine's not claiming responsibility for these attacks inside russia. but if kyiv gets blamed, that's just fine.

there's more to come. >> translator: the number of incidents is constantly increasing not only in the border areas but also in the depths of russia. it's already happening. the scale would be exponential. >> reporter: here an oil refinery in russia's far south is set aflame, while along ukraine's northern border with its invader, civilian areas are hit by shelling. apartments riddled with shrapnel, commonplace in ukraine, a new experience for russians. ukraine's new strategy is taking shape inside russia. drone and artillery attacks have hit russian targets in an arc along its ukrainian border provinces of briansk, belgorod, and others. and moscow's not been spared either. on the deck of a royal navy warship, key ukrainian ally, the united kingdom, gave kyiv a green light to attack russia. >> legitimate military targets

beyond its own border are part of ukraine's self-defense, and we should recognize that. >> reporter: in response, former russian president and close putin ally dmitry medvedev claimed on twitter that as the uk is in an undeclared war against russia, any british official could be considered as a legitimate military target. now, that would be an escalation even vladimir putin might resist. erin, you mentioned the use of nuclear weapons against starlink satellites. that would be, i think, technically impossible. i have to say also locally they're not used by drones, certainly not drones that could strike as deep into russia as moscow. but this, i think, should be seen what we're seeing in russia as a completely new phase of the ukrainian strategy. this could be, effectively, what

we've all been talking about, which is the beginning of the counteroffensive. they're launching it and they're launching it in russia. >> and so well said. thank you very much on the ground in ukraine tonight. "outfront" now i want to go to a russian investigative journalist, his latest article details the kremlin's panic over the increasing number of anti-putin russian exiles living abroad. so, andre, i want to play more from prigozhin who told cnn that he and his allies speak directly to the russian people because he says russian state media is trying to hide the true reality of the war. let me play another brief clip here. >> translator: we discuss how to best convey an honest agenda to the russian federation population about what is happening. so as, on the one hand, not to sow panic, and, on the other hand, to mobilize society and not to mullify it as some including the federal media are

currently doing. >> andre, what do you think he is doing here? >> well, first of all, we all understand that prigozhin already has his media empire. he has his factories. he is recording his videos almost on a daily basis. so, obviously he has no communication problems. it is about something else. and he is saying while general putin, while they soon will have no choice but to start preparing the country to entering into the next stage to switch to the war, and there would be a substantial effort including mobilization and tightening of the rules. it's quite obvious that prigozhin wants to be part of this efforts. and he does have his own ideas

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we are just moments away right now from the final vote on raising the debt ceiling in the house of representatives. and it is a fraught situation. this vote has virtually no room for error for the house speaker kevin mccarthy. he appears confident, at least for now, that he has enough votes from republicans to pass the deal. some republicans, though, are threatening to oust mccarthy as speaker over the deal that he struck with president biden. let's go straight to capitol hill and our lauren fox who's been breaking so much of this.

let's start here with this crucial vote. we remember the speaker's vote when mccarthy thought he had it, right? and that he didn't. so just because you're confident, we don't necessarily know if you've got the goods. does he have the votes? and if so, does it come at a cost to his speakership. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are extremely confident that they are going to have the votes tonight. that was a procedural step in this entire process. but they believe that they are going to have the votes, and kevin mccarthy and his allies are confident that they could have a majority of their majority. that is a key thing for that republican majority, in part, because some of that concern you've heard from members on the far right is that they are going to take steps perhaps to oust him if he cannot get that majority. he is very confident tonight, erin. his allies are very confident tonight that they are going to be easily be able to pass this out of the house of

representatives. >> he needs a majority of the majority or else that speakership threat really becomes very real. so, lauren, then you go to the senate. five days until the u.s. defaults. getting it through the house is fine and good. but if it doesn't get to the senate and to the president's desk, then it is moot. so there are a lot of complaints from senators of both parties. what is the latest there? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, there is a lot of hand-ringing from republicans and democrats, although many of them realize that the only option is to vote for this or risk a default. so, what you're going to see is this coalition in the middle in the u.s. senate. but how quickly they move is really the key question right now. republican and democratic leaders are telling us that they could see this start to move as soon as tomorrow, but they have to have a time agreement. you need all 100 senators to agree to do that. and, like you noted, there are some expressing concern. some of them are calling for amendment votes, if they get

those votes they are saying that they will not stall this process out. but you have to get that agreement first. i also want to note that there are some democrats and some others who caucus with democrats who are already threatening to vote against this legislation. here's bernie sanders. >> sometimes you have to stand up for what's right. this bill will eventually pass. the idea that the republicans would hold us hostage is unacceptable. but, at the end of the day, the american people, in my view, are sick and tired of seeing deficit reduction come on the backs of working people who are struggling. >> and john thune said yesterday that he is very confident that republicans are going to be able to get the votes that they need. that is going to be a number of them in order to get this passed with a bipartisan vote in the u.s. senate. but, again, they might lose some on their side as well, in part, because there's a lot of concern over the fact that that defense number is not high enough for republicans. >> lauren, thank you very much,

monitoring that, of course, as that vote begins, we're going to be showing it to you. also tonight, trump trying to one-up desantis in iowa. both candidates are campaigning there tonight. in fact, they're all converging in that state over the next few days. trump choosing not to hold one of his hallmark rallies. instead choosing to speak at a smaller event with grassroots activists. it's sort of a different strategy. it comes as desantis has been criticized by donors and people in his own party for his lack of retail politics. jeff zeleny is "outfront." >> we can't make excuses. we have to be able to get the job done. >> reporter: florida governor ron desantis is trying to seize the reins of the hands of the republican party from donald trump. >> it's about time we impose our will on it and that it answers to we the people. [ applause ] >> reporter: on his first full day of campaigning across iowa

as a declared presidential candidate, desantis made clear he would draw distinctions with the former president on his terms. >> i'm going to fight back on, i'm going to focus my fire on biden. and i think he should do the same. he gives biden a free pass. i'm focusing on biden. >> reporter: long before desantis can confront president biden, he must first get through a republican primary and a growing field of challengers. but trump still looms largest over the race. tonight, he arrives here to offer something of a rebuttal to desantis. the latest sign the race is intensifying with the iowa caucuses early next year among the first test for the strength of trump's grip on the gop. this person is among the iowa republicans weighing their options. and at this point she's utterly undecided. >> i have a tremendous amount of respect for many things president trump did in office. so i have to keep that in mind. i also have a tremendous amount

of respect for what governor desantis has done in florida. >> reporter: desantis bluntly said trump can't win a general election. >> i think our voters are looking at this, and they say, you know, yeah, we appreciate what he did, but we also recognize there are a lot of voters who just aren't going to ever vote for him. >> reporter: even as questions about his own electability remain unanswered, desantis touts his deeply conservative florida record as he introduces himself to iowa voters, he stepped up his subtle contrast with trump. >> reporter: at the end of the day, leadership is not about entertainment. it's not about building a brand, it's not about virtue signaling. it is about results. >> reporter: at his side was one of his closest political advisers his wife casey who picked up the argument where he left off. >> at the end of the day, i say that it matters in the moment, and you see how a leader conducts himself when the lights are on. >> reporter: and it was casey

desantis who made perhaps some of the sharpest comments of all. she said that voters should not elect people who are beholden to the polls who blow in the wind. she called them listless vessels. she did not mention president trump by name, but that was her clear assertion there. but at the end of the campaign swing here as the governor heads to new hampshire and then on to south carolina this week, he's introducing himself to iowa voters as a person of strength. as this field continues to grow and grow and grow is the supporters for the never-trump lane going to be divided? will that be a challenge for him? but president trump here in iowa tonight, he'll be campaigning in a small way tomorrow. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. and we do have two presidential town halls coming up on cnn over the next week. on sunday the former south carolina governor nikki haley will be in iowa for a town hall starting at 8:00, and a town hall with mike pence will be wednesday night at 9:00. kim jong un's sister vowing north korea will have a spy

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facts and framing china. this after the pentagon showed that video of a chinese fighter jet coming within 400 feet of a u.s. spy plane which was flying in international air space. and this coming -- this tension rising as china's ally north korea is also upping the ante tonight. the sister of the north korean dictator kim jong un saying that north korea is determined to launch a spy satellite into orbit in order to boost the accuracy of north korea's nuclear weapons. will ripley is "outfront." >> reporter: for the first time in seven years, north korea is trying to put a satellite into orbit, and this time its military purpose is no secret. unlike these launches in 2012 and 2016, pyongyang no longer promises peaceful civilian research. north korea wants to deploy a spy satellite. experts say it could improve the accuracy of nuclear weapons.

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more missile and satellite launches all but certain. >> it caused concern in south korea and japan because we simply don't know what the north koreans are planning on doing. it could've easily been a ballistic missile test. >> reporter: the u.n. secretary-general strongly condemns the launch, the latest brazen violation of u.n. security council resolutions by north korean leader kim jong un, flaunting his growing arsenal alongside his young daughter seen by some as a possible successor. china and russia blocking attempts at the u.n. to punish kim's missile testing binge with tougher sanctions. japan says north korea's continued actions threaten the safety and security of our country, the region and the international community. south korea racing to retrieve what it says is debris from the failed launch. >> we're at north korea's brand-new satellite control center. >> reporter: in 2015, i met with a director of north korea's satellite program. he told me his team of 300

scientists was working nonstop to make north korea a space superpower. what can you say to the world to prove that this is not a ballistic missile program in disguise? >> translator: why on earth would we have any intention of trying to drop nuclear bombs on the world, including the united states? the director of scientific research said that at the time. eight years and a barrage of ballistic missile tests later, north korean scientists learn more from every launch, even failure brings kim closer to success. and tonight a sign that north korea is very confident they will be launching more satellites. they are actually releasing images. they just came out minutes ago of this failed launch. and they talked about the failed launch within hours of it actually happening. this shows that kim jong un not only intends to have the spy satellite in orbit but he also is developing other weapons as

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tonight, a california court paving the way for a member of the infamous manson family, who is a convicted murderer, to be released from prison on parole. leslie van houghton was 19 years old when she took part in one of the grizzly mysterious murders. the murder spree terrified los angeles and the country for months. natasha chen is "out front." >> living with the acts of that night is difficult. >> reporter: 73-year-old lesley van houghton has been pleading for her release for decades. >> i know what i did is inexcusable. >> reporter: van houghton was a member of the charles manson cult that terrorized los angeles

in the summer of 1969. she's been found suitable for parole five times since 2016 but never freed because two governors have blocked her release. the most recent was last year. now an appellate court ruling says governor gavin newsom's decision, quote, amounts to unsupported intuition, fails to account for the therapy and reflection van houghton has undergone in the past 50 years. if that decision stands, van houghton could be the first involved in the manson murders to be set free. she was a teenager and on drugs when she joined the cult. >> i believe he was jesus christ. >> reporter: she was not part of the group of people that killed actress sharon tate. but the next night she did participate in killing supermarket executive and his wife, rosemary, stabbing her 14 to 16 times and wiping suspects'

fingerprints. >> they're making a decision to allow a murderer to come back into your neighborhood, my neighborhood. the last time they were in my neighborhood, they killed my family. >> reporter: van houghton claims she was handed a knife by a fellow manson follower who told her to, quote, do something. >> i'm very sorry for what happened. >> reporter: in the half century sense, she's been a model prisoner, serving on various groups within the prison, getting a master's degree mental health treatment. the ruling puts her the closest she's ever been to freedom, but her fate depends on the governor petitioning the state supreme court to review that decision. >> she said, i just have to sit back and collect myself to think about this for a while. so, it is a big change. and she's ready for the challenge. >> that's van houghton's turn to. she told me that her client is deeply grateful and looking forward to translate what she's learned in her long rehabilitation to community service.

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and finally tonight, the godfather is about to become a father again. >> i spent my life protecting my family. >> and, yes, you heard me correctly. 83-year-old al pacino is not going to be a new grandfather or a new great grandfather. he is going to be a father again. pacino's 29-year-old girlfriend is eight months pregnant, due in the next couple of weeks we understand. it's not pacino who's the only "godfather" to become a father. his long-time friend, robert de niro just welcomed his seventh child at the age of 79. de niro is also a grandfather to four children. thanks so much for joining us. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com anxc