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♪ ♪ ♪ >> hi, everyone. thanks for tuning into this hour, where we bring you tomorrow's news tonight. we have our great lineup of reporters here with me. we have athena jones, miguel marquez, omar jimenez, and elena train. we also have katelyn polantz joining us from washington, with all the news from out of there. so, we start this hour with cnn's reporting on former president trump acknowledging on audiotape that he still had a classified pentagon document about a potential attack on iran, after cuba's president. okay, so, katelyn polantz, tell us what we know. tell us more about this audiotape and what's on it and what this means for the investigation moving forward. >> well, alisyn, it is an audiotape that the justice

department has. the special counsel investigation that is looking into donald trump, whether he mishandled national security information classified documents, and also whether he obstructed justice, as the justice department was trying to get all of those documents back. and so, this audiotape is quite significant for several reasons. and it's not just me saying that. there are sources that we're speaking to our team saying, yeah, this is very important. this is a big piece of evidence for the justice department has now gotten. they are asking witnesses about it. they are getting grandeur a testimony about what happened. and this incident at bedminster -- this is a meeting where donald trump is talking to assistance of his of and some people are working on a sympathetic before his former chief of staff mark meadows -- this meeting. and he's talking about a plan that he believes would help him look good, and his former -- the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, who still is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley,

that he believed that it would make mark milley look bad. because it is a document that the pentagon had prepared about a plan to bomb iran. and so donald trump is talking about this document, which clearly is national defense information, and classified, potentially. we do believe that he understands it's classified and was still classified. he's waving it around. so, there is that. and then on top of that, on this tape we have not heard the tape itself -- and we don't know the exact words he's using. but all of the sources that we were speaking to -- kaitlan collins and paula reid and i about what is captured on this tape indicate that donald trump is clearly understanding that this is a document that is classified, that he -- when he was president, didn't take the step that he needed to take to declassify it, and wishes that he could share it further and, yet, he can't. because it is protected information. >> and katelyn, it's omar jimenez here. i know this reporting is in part at least tied to record

eating reporting, at least, out of that meeting, in bedminster, new jersey. i know a lot of the recent reporting has focused on the handling of documents out of mar-a-lago. does that say anything about the nature of this investigation if -- i don't know -- i think, before, again, we were very focused on mar-a-lago. but clearly, the scope seems to be beyond just what was at that property. >> yeah, totally, omar jimenez. when we were pursuing this story we really had to think about how it had completely changed our understanding, at least -- maybe not the justice department's understanding of what they were pursuing -- but it really does open up, not just the map of where the justice department has to look to follow documents, that they have to look at what happened at bedminster, look at what happened at mar-a-lago, where all of these documents had been taken, where they were at various times, with donald trump -- but they also have to -- a period of time that is much earlier than the time that much of the public reporting is focused on. so, much of this investigation, we knew about because the trump

team sent back 15 boxes of documents in january of 2022. so that is several months, like, half a year after this meeting that is captured on audio takes place. they send back boxes of documents that are classified and there are documents in them. and months later, that's when the justice department goes back to the trump team and says, we need you to turn over any more classified documents you have in your possession, anywhere. and that's when things really heat up at mar-a-lago specifically. there's the questions about our, these boxes moved out of storage rooms? that leads to the fbi going to mar-a-lago under accord authorization to do that search. they are finding even more classified documents. and so much of our conversation has been about 2022, what happened at mar-a-lago? because that's what's been visible to us. but really, the justice department has always, very likely, been trying to track what happened to these documents, no matter where they went in trump's possession after he left the presidency, whether that is florida or not.

and also, what happened, crucially, as much in 2021, before there was even a criminal investigation as what is happening after the criminal investigation begins. >> katelyn, it's miguel here. i'm feeling a little triggered. because we saw so much of this during the mueller investigation, so many sweeps, scoops, sweep up the scoop -- it was hard to pull it it altogether, finally. when it did come altogether, it didn't turn into anything. but can you give us the big picture? there's obviously two investigations of jackson it is looking into. there is the documents and january 6th. do you have a sense of -- are we at the -- can see the light at the end of the tunnel on either both of these? any sense of what the timing will be on these investigations? >> i'm not going to predict what the justice department is going to do, whether they're going to charge a case or not. that's going to be up to them. and that's a hard decision, that. and the attorney general has to make it. but you look back the mueller investigation. as it was nearing its end, there were many people charged

with crimes, convicted of, crimes pleading realty to crimes in the mueller investigation who were close confidants to donald trump. but at the end of the investigation, one of the people that was coming in was attorney general bill a bar, who was clearly of the mindset that there was never a -- we knew that because he had said it in a public letters, that he did not believe there was an underlying crime that should have been investigated there. that is a different circumstance than what we have here. because there are very well established crimes around national security documents, the protection of classified records. and so, this question of -- where these documents mishandled, that is something that the justice department is very familiar with. trump is no longer president. and so he doesn't have the same protections he has that the justice department gave to him whenever he was being investigated during mueller. and then, on top of that, there are these additional obstruction things that we know they are looking into that led

to this search. and nothing ever got close to a court authorized search of the presidents home or any of his properties in the mueller investigation. it was very friendly -- you know, we are handing over documents. that is not. this >> katelyn, i'm glad that you reminded everybody of all of that. i'm happy for miguel's question about it. they are such a great reporter. and you keep so much in your head at all times. and i'm sure that you are getting all sorts of different scoops or bits of information, every single day. and so i just have to believe that, with this one -- you know, when you heard that there was an audiotape with president trump's voice on it, does that put it in a different category for you? >> yeah, that's different, than what we normally hear about when people are -- speaking from their memory, perhaps. but alisyn, stories like this

don't arrive fully formed. they are the types of things that reporters like me work on for days or weeks. and a lot of it -- you know, i think of it, often, like solving a mystery. you hear little pieces of a story. and, in fact, there were little hints of this in other publications, and then also in our publication, and among a lot of the reporters here. we had been hearing about reports that witnesses were being asked about mark milley, and could not really make sense of that initially. we were hearing -- we know that there was a new york times report about other instances that people were being asked about related to donald trump showing documents, certain specific documents, seeming of some sort of military nature -- and so it took a while for me to get to the point where i realized, oh, there could be an audiotape there. and then there were already many reporters on this story with the mar-a-lago documents investigation. and ultimately, paula reid, kaitlan collins and i were able to really work together as a

team to get this across the finish line. but you don't really know what you have until you talk to as many people as you can or at least try to talk to his many people as you can. that is just how it works. >> katelyn, i so appreciate -- and i know our viewers do too -- you peeling back the curtain on your process. because not everybody does understand what we do and how we get little pieces of information here and there and try to put together the puzzle, as katelyn was just explaining. i think that sometimes people think that these things come to us fully baked. and they are not. and you have to do a lot of due diligence and a lot of digging, and waiting. and you don't know if it is ever going to be ready for broadcast. but then there is a moment where it is. so, katelyn polantz, thank you very much for all of the great reporting. and obviously, we will continue to follow the story very, very closely. there is other breaking news tonight. the house, tonight, passing the debt limit deal in a big, bipartisan -- >> [laughter] -- >> that miguel marquez is taking very personally -- and so is president biden and speaker mccarthy. so, what will it take to get it

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>> all right, you know the conversation that we have virtually every night about the debt ceiling? well, friends, that endless conversation may be coming to an end. because tonight, the house voted the debt ceiling bill, 314 to 117. and alayna treene has been following this story for us. alayna, i know it is now going to the senate. -- >> -- not having -- yeah, the house did it. and it was a struggle to get their. it was weeks of questions of whether we would default on our debt, whether mccarthy and president biden could pull this off. but they got a deal. and tonight, they got a deal. it passed through the house. it was a blowout vote,

bipartisan. most members of congress in both parties voting for this bill. and out heads to the senate. >> and there's no question it will pass the senate? >> i never want to give -- as a reporter. we were just talking about this with katelyn. but, i mean, yeah. it is going to pass the senate. we are going to avoid default. i think the only question is now when, not if. they could pass it as early as tomorrow -- are like praying that they get their weekend, finally, as are all the members. it could also drag into saturday or, worst-case scenario, maybe early next week. but june 5th is the deadline that the treasury department said they will -- the government will default enough that if they don't pass this. it looks like we are in the clear, and then next week, on your show, alisyn, this will not be a conversation anymore. they will have done it and moved on. >> we talk about this being a national nightmare, though. but it's a national nightmare that is recurring nightmare. it happens every few years with divided government. so, that is real question. why does this and?

and is there -- where does this discussion stand on getting rid of the debt limit entirely? since it's not about new spending. it's about paying for the bills that have already been -- no, it's such a good question. and i'm glad you asked. it >> it's also the debate that is happening in congress. a lot of members think -- a lot of democrats think -- that this is -- this as a makes sense to, keep going through this process year after year, however -- now they are going to be raising the debt ceiling until 2025, to get extra year. next year, we won't have to worry about the debt ceiling. but you are totally right. this is -- the debt ceiling ease about bills that they have already passed and when you have already appropriated. and making sure the government can pay its bills on time. what happened with this current desolate much fight between the president and house republicans was a question over budget. and that's where a lot of this got pulled into it. and i know we have talked about this repeatedly on the show. but president biden and democrats have repeatedly said,

clean debt ceiling. this is an obligation -- >> but that's not what ended up happening. >> that's not what ended up happening. >> they did end up negotiating. >> -- >> -- but they negotiated on the debt -- >> -- >> -- actual appropriations process going forward when they actually have to spend the money for the future? >> it shouldn't. i think what they did here is, this is the kind of debate they thought they would have later this year, and more toward the fall and in september when the fiscal year ends at the end of september. >> right. >> but instead, they laid a lot of this out in this bill. i know we have a graphic showing some of what is in it. and i think it's just helpful to walk through what they did in the budget items. they are cutting irs spending. they are lifting -- or, excuse me, keeping spending cuts in place but adding a budgetary spending cap.

a lot of preserving some of the cuts to domestic spending that republicans wanted -- the biden student loan forgiveness plan that republicans had wanted to get remains intact. that is still in here. and a lot of these things caused a ton of money. there's also new work for acquirement for some social safety net programs. that was a big thing that democrats were really upset about. and i have to say, what's in this bill is something that 18 -- and something that both sides are unhappy with. we know from our conversations with republicans and democrats alike, a lot of them are unhappy with where this bill landed. republicans think democrats got too much. democrats think republicans got too much. but it passed tonight through the house. and the main goal was to avoid a default. >> i think people who may not follow the debt ceiling negotiations as closely as i think we do -- >> we are forced to -- >> i know we are forced to. but i think an outside looking in would say, all right. here is another one of those big congressional fights that

said and proclaim that, oh my gosh, this is the one where the entire government goes down. and lo and behold, here we go, a few days before the june 5th deadline, in this case, we gotta solve. at least halfway -- >> i will say -- >> thank you for recognizing -- said that all along -- this movie before. we've seen this -- before. but this time did feel different. >> and so that's my question here. that, okay, now that we've gone past -- again, halfway -- i'm not say going to say gotten past -- halfway to the point where real americans lives in pocketbooks would be significantly affected -- why was this fight to different? at least politically? because, to your point, it did feel a little different. it's hard to know if that is just recency bias of us going through it. like, why was this -- >> it was different. and i will say, you -- think something is never going to happen until it happens. and i was worried this might be the time. and i will say, also, the treasury department, and secretary yellen, ended up the

date was being able to be boot back to june 5th. and it was still june 1st, we would have seen a default. so -- could happen -- >> it shouldn't, it shouldn't -- >> it is different because of the divided government that they have in the small majority they have in both the house on the senate. they need to have a compromise. and right now, government is, i would argue, maybe more divided than ever. and if not, it's more divided than ever, than pretty darn close to that. it's very darn partisan in washington d.c.. the two sides are farther apart than they have ever been. and in the house, it is a very tight majority. so, if mccarthy had to be able to push this through, he needed republicans and democrats to get this through, he would never have had a bill that only republicans would support. because it was going to have president biden's needing to sign off on it when it gets to his desk and also have democrats in the democratic-controlled senate passed it -- and so that is really what the problem was. and i think, honestly, if you look at a lot of people, the conservatives in the house who are railing against mccarthy

and railing against this bill, they are the type of people that would have never wanted to sign off on any sort of bill that had president biden's input and having his team work on it. so, that is really where why i think this year it was more controversial than we have seen. >> because even as loud as they, where the margin of the actual passing which pretty large. here >> exactly. >> and let that be our last word on it. >> [laughter] >> all right, meanwhile -- the race for the 2024 gop presidential nomination is about to get crowded. omar is going to tell us to have the big names in the republican party plan to announce their candidacies next week. you will hear it here first.

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>> the 2024 gop presidential race is about to get more crowded. we are learning that former vice president mike pence will throw his hat into the ring next wednesday. that's ahead of a cnn town hall. and omar's sources are giving him the scoop about former new jersey governor chris christie which omar will share with us in a second. and then there's new hampshire governor chris sununu. he still deciding. seven candidates have officially declared so far. okay. omar, what is chris christie going to do? >> sources or tell me he's going to join them. as we understand, next tuesday, or this coming tuesday, in new hampshire, at a town hall, st. anselm college, he's expected to announce his bid for the presidency and the 2024 race. this was a decision that, over the past few weeks, sources

close to him had been telling me he had been mulling, talking to stakeholder, should i do it? should i now do? it and clearly he got to the point where he decided where he wanted to run. at least, that is what we are expecting. now, the question i'm sure a lot of you are all wondering is, why? he didn't quite -- >> you could see that question, omar -- >> i see it. and i think back in 2016, he finished as high as he thought he would. and this time around, it's already a crowded field. and i think what they feel in their camp is that no one in the field right now is directly attacking the cold front runner, which is former president trump. and their camp feels -- and chris christie has alluded to this himself in previous interviews -- he feels he is the only candidate that is willing to take on trump directly, head to head. and he feels that is what it is going to take to knock him off his perch right now. >> it's interesting. he's already been doing that. he's already been calling him -- he's already been -- he's a commentator on a different network. and he's already, i think,

recently called him -- president trump -- a child, a coward and putin's puppet. >> yeah. clearly, it's part of what i think we are going to hear as part of this town hall, when it gets going. obviously, this will set the tone for the entire campaign. the question, though, is where is he starting from? and just in the past few weeks cnn did some polling we are they asked republican voters and republican-leaning voters. and they looked at who is their first choice for the gop primary. you see trump and desantis. trump way, head desantis way head. then you've got pence, who we expect to announce. nikki haley, tim scott and, then chris christie at 2%. but here's a more interesting one. in that same poll, this same group of voters, republican voters and mike lee -- and republican-leaning voters -- were asked -- who would you absolutely not support for the nomination? and -- chris christie, 60%. so, that's not the poll you want to be at the top of and

that's not to say that's where you will end. but clearly, when you begin this campaign, there is a lot of work to be done on the perception that he has among, at least, that the voters that were polled. and his perception among many americans. >> we saw those polls. but what did they say? what would his team say if you said, look, it does not seem as if there is much evidence to back up the idea that you could -- that chris christie could get enough support to really make a difference, to be a real contender. how do they argue against what the polls are showing and what primary voters have decided in the past? we know how -- they are from donald trump. >> that last point, i think, is the key point, where if i were to be in a spin room or out on the campaign somewhere, i would say that -- well, this is just indicative of the vitriol against him. because look who is leading in the polls? trump fans, desantis fans. and if those are the people that are -- in theory -- the majority are hating on chris christie. then clearly, he may be striking a nerve. clearly, there may be a markets to actually attack there to

make some inroads. so, that's what i would say. i don't know if that's actually the case. i think we will have to see how this campaign begins. but even at the town hall event last month chris christie not only did he lay out he wants to be the one to attack trump head on. but he was also pretty transparent that he and trump used to work together -- used to be much closer. they were not always -- he didn't want to give the impression that he was some never trumper and is now out for blood. but instead, he said, this at recent town hall. >> you're talking to somebody and hearing from someone who believed i could help make him better, wanted him to do what was best for the country. and he failed me even worse than he failed you. so, i'm not going to stand around and let this happen. now, if i decide to run, i will be able to try to do something directly about it. >> and that is the bottom line,

where he feels, i tried to help, i couldn't. and now you all have to help me get him out. >> >> -- yeah i, think it will be interesting. he isn't just in person. and as you know, from covering him -- i have at times as well. all right, we will watch it. thank you. and that is what you were watching last night. that's what we were on the lookout for. >> i was on the lookout for -- i said we were in the danger zone. and i did not know that is always coming this week. >> you are psychic. that's what i'm taking away from, this omar. thank you very much. all right, cnn's all over the 2024 race. make sure you tune into her to town halls next week, sunday night, jake tapper moderates a town hall with republican presidential candidate nikki haley. that is at eight pm. and then wednesday night, dana bash moderates another town hall with former vp mike pence. that one is at 9:00 pm -- so, would arming teachers -- exceeded safer during school students shootings. there's a new survey on how teachers feel about that.

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>> army teachers with guns is part of the debate over how to stop school shootings. but how do teachers feel about it? well, a new report from the rand corporation finds that more than half of teachers believe that arming teachers would make students less safe. miguel has more on this. so, what did we learn? >> yeah, you might think the numbers would actually be a little bit bigger. this is a randomized study that rand did. so, we are not talking to all teachers out there.

this is focused on k-12. but they did find that 54% of teachers out there believe that having guns in schools make them less safe. 20% said safer. 26% said, it doesn't matter when where the other. this is k through 12 teachers they're looking at. it's about 3 million teachers. given those numbers, it would mean about 550,000 teachers would be willing, or would be interested, in carrying a gun to their classroom into class. okay? i have a pop quiz for you guys now. >> -- >> they also asked teachers what their biggest concerns were, given all the shootings. what do you think the biggest concerns were? >> bullying. >> did you read the study? >> [laughter] >> busted! >> of course i read it. >> -- how big of a concern do you think guns were for teachers? >> like, guns in schools? >> guns in schools. or gun violence in schools. >> i don't know. third out of --

yeah, third? >> so, bullying -- almost 39% thought bullying -- they were most concerns with that. guns? guns in schools? 5% in the study. which is shocking, right? the idea that there would not be more teachers concerned about that. the second one was student fight, and then violence against teachers and other staff. active shooter with the fourth on the -- i >> have to believe it's because they deal with bullying every day. >> that is much more prevalent. obviously, we do a lot of school shootings. we cover a lot of them. but i guess in their daily lives -- between on line -- >> they cyberbullying especially -- the other thing that's interesting about this study is the race, gender demographics also played a role into all of this. white men were more apt to feel that they would either be taking guns to class or feel safer with guns in schools than african americans or latinos.

rural teachers, -- in rural areas were more comfortable with guns in schools. so, it covered a lot of ground -- you would think there's been a lot of research on this sort of stuff. but there really hasn't been. so, rand corporation -- it's only -- the studies are sometimes -- it's hard to tell. because they are a randomized study. it's only about 1000 teachers that they actually surveyed. and they come up with these numbers. but -- >> and half 1 million is still a lot. that's quite a lot of teachers willing to -- can you mention all those teachers actually being armed? >> it's a lot. and i think the concern, from many teachers is, is that if you introduce guns into schools, into classrooms, you give students an access to a gun. you gave -- you put a gun in a situation. then, it can be fired. >> -- on the flip side, i think that people who like this idea would say, well, if you knew that -- you know, 500,000 teachers had guns, maybe -- school shootings would stop.

>> maybe. although, and uvalde, and other places where you have -- >> armed -- >> security with weapons -- it didn't work out so well. it is never very clear. these things are incredibly confusing, terrifying and difficult. it is not clear. guns in schools would help. >> i find this study fascinating. and i feel like, from all the conversations i have on capitol hill with members about just gun reforms -- like, this is a core issue about, well, with the gun debate -- are more -- like, a lot of republicans saying, are more teachers, are more -- not only, to your point, alisyn, maybe it would be a deterrence. but then, also, maybe one of these teachers could get involved. and that's a huge, i know, core of the argument that a lot of lawmakers on capitol hill believe. and then, of course, the flip side being that, why have this in the environment. and so, i'm glad you brought this -- i just find this fascinating, that so many teachers think it's a good thing. >> yeah, they have lots of follow-up research they would

like to do, particularly on bullying and cyberbullying especially. and then the interplay of guns in schools in our society. i think we are, for as many shootings as we have in this country, the roots of it and sort of the practical side of it really hasn't been looked at enough. so, hopefully, we are on that road now. >> -- i was just going to say, really quickly. it almost mirrors, when you look at, a lot of times, when it comes to gun deaths and gun violence, with what it's focused on its's -- school shooting or whether it's -- shootings in public spaces. but you tend to see a lot of the mass killings or a lot of the firearm deaths happen at home. they happen from suicides. and i think that trend nears itself a little bit in these results, that the teacher's biggest concern is bullying. and so while the arming teachers gets all of this debate and you see how low their concerns were about firearms in the school, that layer of what is happening when

these kids are away from parents or teachers there is a connection between the billing, what happens at, homes in the suicides. thank, you miguel. a former member of the infamous manson family who was convicted for taking parts two murders during the summer of terror and los angeles, could be one step closer to parole. next. when you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff.

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ruling the convicted murderer leslie, who is now interest 70s, and serving concurrent life sentences, can be granted parole. the court reversed in california governor gavin newsom's decision to deny her release, athena's covering the story. so why did the court decide this? >> this is by the way about the 2020 rejection by governor gavin newsom, that was the fourth and two was denied parole, she's not been denied a fit on by gavin newsom. this is the -- he cited the extreme nature of the crime, this was a really grisly russum murder. and, he said she hadn't sufficiently demonstrated that she had come to terms with all the reasons she ended up joining this murderous called. this, court the ability, court disagreed. they said gavin did not have any facts to have this conclusion, and they put out a, statement they said he hadn't provided extensive explanation as to the constitutive factors leading to involvement with manchin and the commissioning of the, murders does not support the conclusion there are hidden factors to which van

houten has failed to account. the governor's refusal to accept the explanation amounts to unsupported intuition, and so they rejected the conclusion he had come to, and now she is on the verge to pave a way to potentially be released, but -- >> so basically, they think that she has been, she has done work in prison, and because this is such a sensational case, i mean there is a very few cases more than the manson family that they think she has done enough in these decades? >> well on her side, her argument is that she has been two -- shows apologized to the family, she has gotten to college degrees during this more than 50 years she has been in prison. she has -- fellow prisoners and been a model prisoner. but you, know governor -- before newsom had both rejected parole for her several times, and generally saying she is still a threat to society, and

saying some version of the crime was just so heinous, and you know, she has done things like blamed drugs, or dependent personality, hasn't really taken both possibilities. >> all good for her, but where is the victims families on this? they can't be thrilled? >> they are not thrilled, we know a sister of shantytowns, now this woman was convicted of killing -- this was a supermarket executive and his wife, helping with that, killing she was convicted of conspiracy in the killing of those five at direct roman polanski's house including sharon tight. shanties there has that no one of the men's and family should ever be allowed out of prison, they should all have to serve life terms. they also spoke with the grandson of at the supermarket executive, here's what he had to say. >> they are making a decision to allow a murderer to come back into your neighborhood, my neighborhood. the last time they were in my

neighborhood they killed my family. >> and so that is, there is still really raw emotion around this terrible crime that happened back in 1969. >> no, i was going to ask a similar question, and also not just the families, but like you said allison, this is such a massive case. everyone has heard of it, right, have you heard what the public's reaction has been to this? are people against it? i've always heard of people having such strong opinions about the manson family and murders. >> the case we are talking about, now there's all sorts of people signing an online petition i change, stockham within 100,000 people saying keep her in prison. and when i talk about how grisly this, was -- laid out some of these, details and explaining why he still thinks she should stay put. and you know, this woman, she put a pillow case over the wife killed in this murder, put a lamp cord around her neck,

tackled her, basically wrestled her on to a bed and pinned her down while two others stabbed her dozens of times. then, began stabbing this woman herself. she gave an interview in 1994 more than 20 years after the conviction, initial conviction, and admitted to stabbing this woman in the lower back's around 16 times. so, she is not denying that she did this, but she is arguing that it is time for her to be released. she's argued this several times, she was first granted parole back in 2016, but she was denied, again and again, and again. they believe there is going to be a court fight over this as well. the california attorney generals office is not just going to sit, down and accept this. they're going to ask for review by the supreme court, the lawyer for -- things they will file a petition or a motion to stay so that she has to stay in prison while the supreme court reviews on. >> keep us posted on all that. thank you for that reporting. tomorrow on cnn this morning,

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