enript encrypt data on a phone. >> thank you, david. we'll continue to track it. >> terrific. >> and "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> trump seems to indicate he is taking classified documents and he is limited to declassify them. that would undercut the argue am he's been making all along. >> they become declassified when i took them. >> to be at a country club and talking about plans for a possible military invasion. >> recordings are like gold to prosecutors. >> the house voted to pass the debt limit bill. a huge relief for president biden and kevin mccarthy and the global financial system. >> democrats kept our promise. >> we all made history. this is the biggest cut in savings this congress has ever voted for. >> russia's war is increasingly spilling into its own territory.

even the kremlin calling this situation larming. >> what we're seeing as a completely new phase alaunching it in russia. >> we're very clear with the ukrainian that's we do not support attacks inside russia. >> the 2024 gop presidential race is about to get more crowded. mike pence will throw his hat into the ring. >> chris christie feels he's the only candidate that is willing to take on donald trump directly head-to-head. >> are they going to get in the race and tactually say somethin about him, to him? >> it's a difficulty. >> and the guide saved a climber's life hauling him down mt. everest for six hours. >> it was important for us to rescue him. we saved his life by coming down the summit. >> good morning, everyone. miracles do happen. >> i love that story. >> we'll get much more of that ahead. happy to be joined by erica

hill. good morning. >> nice to be with you this morning. p. >> nice to have you. we start here. >> federal prosecutors obtained a recording of donald trump saying he held on to a classified document on an attack on iran after he left the white house. it is a meeting he had with two biographers with mark meadows. this happened at his golf club in july of 2021. cnn has not been able to listen to the recording but multiple sources who have describe the contents to us and they say in it trump is discussing a document about a potential plan to attack iran. papers can be heard rustling on the recording. it's unclear if trump showed anyone in the room the document in question. the special counsel focused on it as the criminal probe into trump's handling of national security secrets. and prosecutors questioned multiple witnesses before the grand jury about this recording

and document. according to sources familiar with the investigation, a recording indicates trump understood that he retained classified material after leaving the white house despite his public claims otherwise. >> i had no collides. they become declassified with i take thim. if you're the president of the united states, you can declassify even by thinking about it. >> trump was outraged by report in the new yorker that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was concerned trump might set in motion a full scale conflict that is now justified with iran after he last that presidential election. the episode generated enough interest to question milly. he is one of the highest ranking trump era national security officials. questioned about the incident. the spokesperson declined to comment to cnn. trump's attorney deflected when asked about this new information. >> the president under the presidential records act has

unfeddered authority to do what he wants with documents that he has taken from the white house while president. the. >> i am not going to sit here and dignify leaks that are incomplete, that are unfair and are dishonest. this is a leak campaign. >> also joining us this morning, former house intelligence chairman mark rogers and charlotte alter and former watergate prosecutor walt ackerman. walk us through your reporting. >> first, i want to respond to the suggestion that this was the result of a leak. it was not. this was dogged reporting done by our colleague with kaitlyn collins, myself and colleague sarah murray and kristen holmes. it's taken us time to gather this information. in attendance, among the people in attendance, a few trump aides and two people working on an

autobiography of former white house chief of staff mark meadows. that is significant because even though meadows wasn't there at this time, trump was in the habit of recording conversations with journalists, writers, anyone working on a book. he knew that he was being taped and while we have not heard this recording, multiple sources say on this recording not only does the former president reas a rule that he is still in position of the at least one classified document, pentagon memo describing a possible attack on iran, but he also suggests that he would like to share this but he acknowledges there are limits on his power to declassify. that undercuts everything that he and his attorneys argued publicly about why he was not intentionally keeping the nation's most sensitive secrets. >> there is so much in there. not just the fact that it was being recorded and that the papers are. there but the fact that nick ackerman based on the reporting,

he knew he couldn't share this information. >> once you have a defendant on tape like this, it is absolutely significant in the sense that this is a direct admission. it makes the defendant become the chief witness in his own trial. now, keep in mind, this is just one aspect of the evidence that the special counsel is gathered in this area. but it certainly significant. and by itself, it's a crime. it's a crime to actually reveal classified information which is what he was doing. it also raises the question of what was this document doing in bedminster when he moved all these documents to mar-a-lago? were there other documents at he bedminster? was this document one of the documents that was seized in the search in august of last year? and if not, does that mean that there are other documents at

bedminster that we still haven't yet retrieved and the department of justice hasn't retrieved? so, this is a pretty significant document. and, there's to doubt that lots of people are going to be going into the grand jury to explain how this got to bedminster and what happened and what were the circumstances surrounding trump's reading of that document. >> chairman rogers, to you. you were the chair of the house intelligence committee and knowing that the people in that room in bedminster with the former president after he left the white house had no security clearance whatsoever. and the fact that this was about a potential strike on iran, four pages of that. i should just note that trump said it was written by milley. our reporting is it was not written by the joint chiefs chairman. what pause does that give you? >> very significant. it's the cavalier nature of which he, a, had the document which is also a crime if he did,

in fact. and secondly, what is causing the information in that document to be disclosed to people who are not authorized to hear it. and the very nature and sensitivity of the topic that was in that particular document as described is very, very concerning. it has ramifications with our adversaries and certainly even our friends who would, you know, par take in the planning of something like that even if there was no intent to follow-through. it showed his intent. one thing about having -- as an old fbi guy can tell you -- one thing about having a tape with your voice on it, the only better piece of evidence is a guilty plea at the end of the day. it is really significant. >> to that point on the tape, what is interesting about that, too, is we're not just talking about witness testimony. that is easier for someone to say, sure, that guy said. he swore under oath. i'm telling you, i was there and that is not how it happened. a tape does change things, a recording. >> i think it depends on what you mean by changes things.

legally, it creates a lot of trouble for him. but with voters, i'm not so sure. there are other cases of trump being caught on tape saying things that should -- would potentially be considered disqualifying in american presidential election. you remember there were tapes that were released during the 2016 election of him talking about grabbing women that didn't seem to bother his core base of supporters. there is the legal implications for trump which are actually significantly different than the political implications for him. the people that made trump president have had seven years to get used to ignoring stories like this. i think it remains to be seen whether this is going to breakthrough to them. >> politically. but legally, not only are you a reporter, you're a lawyer. does this broaden the risk here for trump beyond the obstruction? >> yeah. absolutely, poppy. that is such great question. i think so many times even on

this show we talked about the legal jeopardy. a lot of the focus is on obstruction. but this justice department is reluctant to bring charges just of obstruction. they prefer to have an underlying crime charged as well. a belt and suspenders have the strongest case possible. i cautioned that while there does appear to be some evidence that the prosecutors are weighing about obstruction, it wasn't clear if they had enough to charge any of the other crimes they were looking at. this changes that. that will be up to the special counsel prosecutors to decide whether they want to charge the former president or anyone else. but this reporting, what we've disclosed here, absolutely changes our understanding of the legal jeopardy facing the former president. i'll also note the other big thing it reveals is we've all been focused down in florida on the classified documents that were found down there. but clearly based on this new reporting, there is also one classified documents in bedminster. the former president's lawyer searched there late last year

and they did not find anything. >> picking up where paula left off there, nick, if it we look at this bradley moss in our last hour said this is a violation of the espionage act. you were saying there is more legal jeopardy in your view this morning. would you agree with that assessment? >> absolutely. it's not only the possession of classified information he had, but it is also the dissemination of classified information. you got him violating two criminal statutes. and the jeopardy is heightened by the fact that it's his own voice on tape admitting to what he's doing. i mean, this is, like, what's happened now in georgia with the three or four tapes they got on trump there. the tape they got on him in the da's case in new york. i mean, this is quite amazing that you got three prosecutions going forward that have trump actually as a star witness in each of those cases. >> chairman rogers, it's interesting that this cnn reporting follows the really exceptional reporting by "the washington post," you know, a week and a half ago or so saying

out that the boxes of classified documents were removed at the direction of someone at mar-a-lago the day before the fbi came down there to search. it was known that they were coming. this wasn't the surprise august, you know, search. they knew they were coming on the 3rd of june. the boxes were moved on the 2nd. when you tie that reporting to this reporting, what does it leave you with? >> clearly, his intent was to disclose information and use it for his own personal gain which i find disturbing. classified information doesn't belong to any person. it belongs to the country writ large. this shows to me that he has these things as a trophy. and from the description of the tape, you know, he holds it as this is why i'm special. i have this information. it makes me special. i'm willing to share it with you. i don't know if i can show it to you.

so, you don't know if he had follow up conversations on it. so, the pattern of activity here clearly shows he had the intent to take these things not for any good purpose but for a purpose other than that. again, i think he thinks that these things as a trophy. i think he thinks that he doesn't have to follow the rules on classification. and that's dangerous because of the seriousness of what was in this document. if you have the joint chiefs of staff which, you know, given all the things going on in at the world has to go down to the grand jury to testify about this particular document at this particular time, it shows you, a, the severity of it and why it's dangerous to have people who don't respect or understand the importance of classified information and why it needs to be classified. >> charlotte, to your point, the legal and political, right? we're focused on the legal for obvious reasons. yet, when we look at the political implications, when we look at how the former president will be responding here and

whether or not it sits, there is also the history of the comments that have been made. i know in the past there have been comments that president made that were contradictory. does this change anything based on the evolution of what we've seen from him and in terms of what he believes he can do with classified documents? has any of that broken through? zblfr i mean, i really think that there is sort of two universes of people here who are voting. there is the people would are paying attention to the story and who understand the legal implications of it and the nuances of it and understand why taking classified documents is not okay. and then there are voters who are just not going to believe anything that trump is accused of. and that is a -- that is very, very difficult to penetrate that. they've had seven years really since 2016 to develop that world view. that's nearly impossible to pierce. i think a lot depends on what happens with the rest of the

republican field. the more people who run against trump, the stronger trump's campaign is because it splits the vote of the people who are paying attention and perhaps alarmed by this story. >> charlotte, thank you. paula, great reporting. chairman rogers, nick, appreciate all the analysis. see where this goes. the u.s. is getting one step closer to averting a catastrophic default. house lawmakers did pass the debt ceiling deal. what can you expect as the bill heads to the senate? also, amazon settling two federal lawsuits for violating privacy of alexa and ring users. major pricetag for the new tech giant ahead. ♪ hit it ♪ ♪ it takes two to make a thing go right ♪ ♪ it takes two to make it outta sight ♪ ♪ one, two, get loose now ♪ ♪ it takes two to make a... ♪ stay two nights and get a $ 50 best western gift card. bobook now at bestwestern.com.

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victory lap after that deal passed the house. >> i wanted to do something no other congress has done. that we would literally turn the ship. for the first time, quite some time, we would spend less than sbent the year before. tonight we all made history. this had is the biggest cut in saving this is congress has ever voted for. and it's not that we're just voting for it. this is going to be law. >> cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill this morning. i feel like you moved in, there lauren. so, we're half way there. the big question, of course, will this pass in the senate? >> yeah. i mean, there is definitely momentum coming out of the house of representatives. that vote was overwhelming with house speaker kevin mccarthy getting more than just a majority of his republican -- majority that was really they w

dealing with a lot of concerns and consternation in their right flank. now this heads over to the senate. the expectation is that it is going to pass eventually. it's a question of how quickly the senate can move minority leader mitch mcconnell made it clear he would hope they could get an agreement to begin this process as soon as today hoping that maybe they could even get out of here before the weekend. senators always are motivated by the jet fumes usually on thursday afternoons. but they do need to get some kind of time agreement. and already you're hearing from a number of republicans and democrats who want to have votes on amendments. here's the key issue though. none of those amendments really can pass because otherwise, they have to kick it back over to the house of representatives. that would push you past the monday, june 5th deadline where janet yellen said the country could default. this is something that moves, hopefully, quickly out of the senate. that is the expectation of leadership. but this he do have to secure that time agreement first. we'll be watching for that and

any signs of white smoke coming out of the senate later today. >> we're watching for those, indeed. lauren, appreciate it. thank you. joining us now jason ferman. he was at the negotiating table in 2011 in the debt ceiling fight then when we came within 72 hours of default. jason, good morning. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> first of all, kevin mccarthy's claim that this is historic and it's the biggest cut in savings congress has ever done and it's law, essentially saying you can't change it. does that all add up? >> not really. look, i'm glad he thinks it. i'm glad he is able to say it. i'm glad he got two-thirds of his caucus. but, no, that's not close to true. >> you have some interesting analysis that struck me. it's different than what a lot of other economists are focusing on. you really point to even if they pass the senate, even if this gets done by monday and signed, the economic turbulence it

already caused. explain. >> yeah. look, this outcome is fine. the process was terrible. you saw jitters in markets. you saw pretty much historically unprecedented rise in the cost of ensuring against a default on the u.s. debt. there are lots of financial institutions wasting time figuring out contingency plans. this is really sort of no way to run a railroad. i think we need to not take the lesson away from this. the system worked. take the lesson away from us, we need to really permanently fix this, ideally get rid of the debt limit. >> you say get rid of the debt limit. there are other folks that agree with you. we have the head of the minneapolis federal reserve on last week. he said we have to look at that. president biden keeps saying no. he's called it irresponsible to do that before he doubled down this week saying it's no the a good idea. we've also seen the director of

omb under trump point to the 2011 debt ceiling deal and say i think what the debt ceiling does is for us to talk about why we need to borrow more money. why are they wrong? y >> no other country has this. second of all, there are other forcing mechanisms. they would have needed to agree to almost everything that they had in this deal by september 30th as part of the reagan you'll appropriations process for the budget. and finally, people don't want to get rid of the debt limit entirely. there is bipartisan legislation that would basically require either congress or the president to put a plan forward, to cut the debt in exchange for raising the debt limit. the plan would need to pass as long as they put that plan forward the debt limit would automatically go up. so maybe that could be a compromise to get us out of this mess that i think we continue to be in. >> fair. we do continue to be in it. compromise would be a good thing.

i have been struck over the last 24 hours by republicans, including two of them on this program yesterday in the house, saying the cbo got it wrong. saying show us your work. the math is fuzzy. we know they came out and said, yes, this cut is about $1.5 trillion because you added more homeless to snap food assistance and cash, you're going to add more to the cut. what do you say to those folks who are saying the cbo got it wrong? >> look, the truth is this is a hard thing to estimate. there is a big group that is subject to work requirement that's didn't used to be. and there is a big group, as you said, veterans homeless, former foster children that won't be subject to them. cbo thinks that second group is bigger than the first group. i think has a reasonable guess. but there is an margin of error around that. so to a first approximation this is a wash for the s.n.a.p.

program. it is likely it did increase. i think when you argue cbo is wrong, you're -- you know, that is the not the best argument. >> let's listen to some of the argum arguments that were made yesterday by republicans. >> i respectfully disagree with the analysis by the cbo on this. they're not looking at things that will happen tomorrow, that will happen the next day. they're not looking at the potential growth in the economy. >> that came out last night. the math is wrong. >> you say the math is flat out wrong? >> we need to see the home work on this. >> can you just -- the cbo is the best we've got, right, at estimating these things. set up by congress. it's nonpartisan. i wonder if you can remind people -- they talk to all sorts of economists, et cetera. this isn't just like a guessing -- partisan guessing game, right? >> oh, yeah. cbo has an enormous amount of data that it is relying on. it is doing a lot of math. i don't think either of the

people you just showed in interviews there had done any math at all on this question. they just had an answer they were hoping was true. hope isn't a great strategy. that is my thing. stepping back, let's understand why we're in this position. the white house had negotiators that were steeped in the details of the program and really cared about the outcome. when you have both of those, you do better in it a negotiation. i don't think this surprised the white house. they they knew exactly what they were doing when they struck this deal. they got the better of some parts of it. it shows they're preparation and their caring really paid off. >> just quickly, jason. do you think that the -- with hindsight is always helpful, do you think the white house should have sat down with kevin mccarthy on this a lot sooner? >> look, i think it all worked out fine. i think it was a little hard to explain why they were not sitting down with him at an earlier stage. there are arguments on both sides. i would have been in favor of them sitting down. i might have been wrong.

>> right. you say it all worked out fine. you point to the market turbulence. >> yeah. >> so, there's that. >> the question is could the republicans especially or any side really have agreed to something with three weeks to go when all their members would say, no, take another week and get a better deal. we're not voting for this yet. i don't know. >> something about getting to the 11th hour, something washington is particularly good at, i suppose. jason ferman, thank you very much. >> good seeing you. >> the 11th hour in washington is real. canada is urging people to put out cigarettes. plus, studies show drugs like ozempic can help with weight loss. they may help curb addictions. a cnn medical report is next. can now bs precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprisise intelligence.

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welcome back to "cnn this morning," jamie dimon denying he ever met or talked to jeffrey epstein or discussed any of his bank accounts. that is according to a transcript released yesterday from dimon's deposition on friday. in it, it is in connection to a lawsuit brought against the bank by victims of epstein and the u.s. virgin islands. they're saying that company knew about the sex trafficking allegations against epstein but still continued to do business with him. i asked dimon with this in an interview we did in the beginning of april. this was weeks before his deposition. and according to the transcript of the deposition, lawyers for the plaintiffs played portions of that interview when they questioned dimon. here it is. >> i want to ask you about something in the news, jp morgan is in the news about a former client of you're, jeffrey

epstein. jp morgan is being sued by the virgin islands they say that people benefitted from human trafficking while ignoring warnings. do those allegations have merit? >> i can not talk about current litigation except to say that when everything comes up, we have some of the best lawyers in the world. out of the doj, out of sec and the divisions who review all of these things and make decisions at the time based on what they know. as best as they know. >> you're going to be deposed, we learned now in this case in the spring. in retrospect, jamie, do you think j.p. morgan should have act moored quickly after epstein pleaded guilty to one of the charges. he was your client for five more years? >> hindsight is a fabulous gift. >> they're going to ask him what information he had about epstein and j.p. morgan haensd willingst accounts. dimon said i knew very little about any of this until this case was opened. and then, of course, i learned quite a bit since then. according to the lawsuit,

epstein was a j.p. morgan client from 1998 until 2013. epstein was indicted on prostitution charge in 2006, pleaded guilty in 2008 and spent very little time in jail and then in 2019 the epstein scandal broke. he was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges. he died by suicide while detained. dimon says he only heard of epstein after that 2019 news broke. joining us is "the wall street journal" reporter who has been covering this story from the very beginning. really important reporting including yesterday you reported that a former j.p. morgan chase executive jeff staley said he did actually communicate with dimon, talked to him about the bank's business with epstein. that they had the conversations which appears to be in direct conflict from what we heard from jamie dimon in that deposition. [ no audio ] >> i did report that. the bank -- i can hear you.

the bank said the statements were false and keep in mind the bank sued staley and sought to pen the relationship on him. staley did say in legal documents that dimon communicated with him from 2006 through 2012 and also about his arrest in 2006 and then the guilty plea in 2008. >> what did you -- this is the 415-page deposition. a lot of it is not redacted. it brings up other high ranking executives at j.p. morgan. what is your big takeaway from reading this? >> i think what i took away was that jamie dimon was essentially saying is that it was other executives' responsibility to review and terminate this relationship. he particularly calls out stephen cutler, the bank's general counsel at the time. he said if he had wanted to override others and terminate the relationship that he could have done that. he said he respects cutler and

he was trying to do the right thing. he also calls out other executives as well for being able to have that ability to terminate the relationship. >> to your point about cutler, that's what is striking to me about your reporting in the paper this morning. lawyers point in this deposition asking dimon about an e-mail from 2011 which cutle recr, a t lawyer at the bank. while he is working at the bank this lawyer writes to others at the bank about epstein, quote, this is not an honorable person in any way. he should not be a client. showing knowledge of issues there. but -- and the arrest that was made in 2008. they kept him as a client until 2013. is the big question now did jamie dimon know any of that? he is saying under oath he did not. >> yeah. he contends he did not. but that is bewildering he wrote that e-mail essentially saying this person shouldn't be a

client in 2011. he was asked about it. jamie dimon was asked about it. he did say at that time that cutler could have overroad others and decide to terminate the relationship. i think he is just essentially putting the responsibility on him. >> yeah. it's interesting. those records showing the legal team repeatedly were evaluating the legal status. but yet approved the accounts year after year. thank you. all of this happening as well as there is some more jamie dimon news. >> there is. i would note to people know the time line here. in 2008, jeffrey epstein pleaded guilty to soliciting and procuring of a minor for prostitution. that is key here. he served time and then kept on as a client and dimon saying this should have never have happened, right? there is a lot more to follow here. but there is other news, right. as this is happening, the news of jamie dimon's deposition broke just as some major wall street players began publicly

encouraging him to run for president of the united states. our chief business correspondent and anchor christine romans is here with that. really interesting. >> it really is. so, he is also a legendary investor. he is out there saying he thinks that jamie dimon should run for president. this is what he said yesterday in a long tweet. he said we need an exemplary business and global leader to manage through what is likely to be a critically important decade for our country in determining our destiny. jamie dimon is that leader. there is only one better job for jamie than ce oechlt of j.p. morgan. he can beat donald trump in the general election. start now. build name recognition and raise millions of dollars. it is sort of a remarkable endorsement of someone who's been known recently as the president of wall street. when there is a problem, he comes in. when there is a question, presidents and prime ministers have jamie dimon on speed dial. you know, he is really the only banker of that stature that i can think of in modern history.

he's been asked many times. he was asked by bloomberg, would you ever, you know, in an interview from china this week, would you ever consider running for public office or for accepting a cabinet position? this is what he said. >> i love my country and maybe one day i'll serve my country in one capacity or another. >> but he loves his current job, by the way. and shareholders love him in his current job. he's been -- we ask him this question a lot. people wonder if there is a political future in washington for jamie dimon. that is sort of the second part of the story, i think, this week that is jamie dimon a household name here. >> i think it's interesting. he's not really an idealogue. he talked about his brain being more republican, heart being more democratic. >> yeah. >> he said he is barely a democrat. >> yeah. >> and if he ran, what he would run as. >> and his brain is more republican. he said before he would -- one reason why others really endorse him for higher office is because he gets how this country is run.

and he knows that we have big hard problems that need to be solved like a $32 trillion national debt. he always said, he told me several time, you fix the roof when the sun is shining. when it's good times, that's when you make the hard decisions. and that's something that doesn't happen in washington. >> and a real student of history having interviewed him so many time. 'p he applies that. he's in china right now. >> but would america elect a banker for higher office? >> good question. >> that's the question. >> christine, thank you very much. this just in to cnn. defense secretary lloyd austin says the on going lack of communication with china could lead to an ins dhaent could spiral -- incident that could spiral out of control. that statementtimes about the i countries with large, with significant capabilities, being able to talk to each other, so you can manage crises and

prevent things from spiraling out of control unnecessarily. >> cnn's natasha bertrand is live from the pentagon. the pentagon says that china remember a -- refused a proposal to meet with austin at the shangri-la conference. these comments from austin are remarkable. >> yeah, they come days after a chinese fighter jet intercepted a u.s. reconnaissance plane over the south china sea in a way that u.s. officials say were aggressive and dangerous. it got so close to that u.s. aircraft that the aircraft could feel the turbulence from the wake that have fighter jet. that aircraft was manned. so austin here is really reiterating the need for china and the u.s. to have military-to-military channels open so if something like this happens and there is a collision, there needs be a channel so the countries can avoid a miscommunication that

could spiral out of control. as of right now, china continues to refuse to reopen the military-to-military channels even though the defense department has been pressing them for months to reopen those lines of communication. >> we will take it. appreciate it. thank you. "that '70s show" actor danny masterson found guilty of rape. the punishment he is now facing. that's just ahead. cutting edge innovation... ( ♪ ) ...and thoughtful l details... ...inspired by you. ( ♪ ) from the brand that t delivers amazing ownership experiences, this is the first ever, all electric, rz. this is lexus, electrified. ♪ the only thing i regret about my life is that i did what everyone else did at the time.

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holding on to data of kids' voices. >> the ring camera, the government says amazon gave employees full access to all customer video and at least one employee used that access to look at pretty girls while another watched a fellow employee video recordings without her permission. in response, amazon says while we disagree and deny violating the law, these settlements put these behind us. maybe puts the issues behind amazon. i don't know that it does for the millions of people who use these devices. to-part question to start off. how surprising that they had all this data to you and how concerning? >> not surprising because it's how the systems work, they use the kate to train systems to understand, get your utterances right, train on your voice so

they know it's you k. it knows the difference. it's worrisome that it happened. i talk to amazon a lot. i spoke to them probably a month ago and i know that the difference between 2018 and now is a lot. every tech company was incredibly sloppy with data as they were learning what it would be like to put smart devices in our homes. they is a terrible job. also a terrible job of communicating what they were doing with the data, what they would not be doing with the data and how do you control it because that's the thing. so many people don't realize you can go into your alexa app right now and see every recording on there. if you said that -- most people don't check, it's all there. every time i ask for the weather, it's all there. >> can you delete it? >> yes. you can delete all of them by yourself. you can ask amazon to delete your account. amazon is about to delete any child record older and untouched

for 18 months. so that's all about to go away, all of that stuff, including anything they used to train current systems. >> how do people delete it? >> go into the app. you can look at it. it's under settings, activity, and you will see record -- you will see the words and you can also hear the recording. you can leedelete. one of the ways parents discovered that kids were engaging with alexa, asking silly questions, buying things, that's where amazon had to up its game and say, oh, the kids are engaging with this device and using it and parents are not ahead of it. so we have to get ahead of it. >> what is at this point the company didn't understand it, consumers didn't understand it in terms of our information how it's being used and stored. what is a realistic expectation of privacy from a person? >> full transparency. we don't have a data bill of rights per se.

we need to have complete transparency from the tech companies upfront. when you install them now, you do get a lot of information about what you will share, what you don't want to share, opting in, opting out, and people tend to install these devices and apps very quickly and don't pay attention. so, but again, it falls on amazon to do the hard work. you can't expect consumers who are not technologists to dig into this. make it as simple as talking to the device saying delete all my utterances for the last two weeks. >> i find it striking that amazon said and reiterated as recently as january that privacy is foundational to its business. and now the question is what more can be done to protect them? >> again, when you have these cases, which started in 2018, a lot has happened in between. i have gone to a lot o