well, you know the saying there's a grain of truth in every joke? >> biggest mistake you made at your wedding. >> honey, i love you, but said "i do." [ laughter ] not my mistake. not my mistake. i love my wife. >> well, that man was just convicted this week of first

degree murder and home invasion in the shooting death of his estranged wife. the tv appearance from three years ago did not come up at the trial but the marital troubles were central to the prosecutor's theory of the motive in that case. thanks for joining us. cnn tonight starts with alisyn camerota right now. >> that was a plot twist, abby, that i did not see coming. i thought that was your kicker. >> do not kill your wife. that's not a good idea. >> thank you for sending us off on that message. we will all take that to heart, abby, thank you very much. see you tomorrow. evening, everyone. we're awaiting the senate vote on the debt ceiling bill. we'll take you live to capitol hill to see if there are any last-minute obstacles. more follow-up to donald trump caught on tape discussing i classified pentagon document about a potential attack on iran. now team trump is trying to defend the former president with an array of different excuses, so we will fact check what

they're saying. plus, how the anti-drag law in the sunshine state is raining on pride parades this year. >> i was in the closet for so many years and i still face hatred and oppression and i can't even go to my own pride fest. kfile investigative reporting on ron desantis and his flip-flop on dr. fauci on the campaign trail he calls fauci nasty names. but that's an about-face from what he said about dr. fauci at the height of the pandemic. >> if you are faced with a destructive bureaucrat in your midst like a fauci, you do not empower somebody like fauci. you bring him into the office and you tell him to pack his bags. you are fired. >> from dr. burks to dr. fauci to the vice president who has worked very hard.

they're really doing a good job. it's a tough, tough situation. >> with the debt ceiling vote in the senate, melanie zanona is live for us on capitol hill. it looks like it's moving at lightning speed. what's happening at this moment? >> reporter: that is what we call senate magic because they can actually move very quickly when they want to and in this case they absolutely are pushing to get this done tonight. they are just in the process of wrapping up votes on amendments, none of those are expected to pass and then they're going to move immediately to final passage so that could happen within the next 30 minutes. we are expecting it to pass then the final step will be to go to president biden's desk for signature. but i want to point out that this was actually a very rocky road to get here. it took weeks of intense negotiations, there was multiple breakdowns and even just getting a time agreement to fast-track the bill in the senate tonight took some cajoling because there were republican defense hawks and appropriators worried about this bill's impact on the spending process going forward.

worried about cuts to key defense programs so in order to earn their cooperation, chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell put out a rare joint statement saying they are committed to passing all individual 12 appropriations bills on the senate floor in order to avoid a 1% across the board spending cut that would be mandated by this bill if they don't pass all those bills and schumer also took to the floor and made a floor speech where he said they have other means like the supplemental appropriations bills to try to pass emergency aid packages including for ukraine. but republicans weren't the only ones with concerns. there were democrats. they don't like the work requirements, stricter work requirements for food stamp recipients and didn't like some of the new energy permitting reform, so there is a lot of members on both sides of the aisle who were grumbling over this bill but in the end we are expecting members from both sides of the aisle to come together and to avoid what would be the first ever catastrophic default. >> okay, melanie, thank you for all of that. please keep an eye on everything

happening there on capitol hill and update us as soon as you have more. let's turn to the fallout over our cnn reporting about that audiotape of donald trump talking about a classified pentagon document about iran. that's a document he held on to after leaving the white house. here with me tonight we have our favorite reality checker john avlon, lee zeldin, lynette lopez and our legal genius elie honig. great to have you. >> thank you. >> okay. congressman, you are a supporter of donald trump in this presidential race, yes? >> i have endorsed him. >> okay. are you comfortable with the fact that he held on to that classified document and that he was talking about it at his golf club with people who do not have security clearances? >> clearly, a change has to get made because this isn't just an issue involving president trump. what's come out over the course of the last year is that multiple former presidents and vice presidents as leaving they

have taken classified documents with them. >> but they weren't waving it around at a golf club -- we don't know if he was waving it around, they weren't disclosing and talking about it with people who don't have security clearances out in the open at a golf club. >> honestly don't know what conversations the others have had about the documents that they had or what those documents were. all we know is that they had left with classified documents. you know, there's an interesting dynamic when someone takes classified documents and they're trying to cause harm purposefully to the united states of america. one added dynamic when you take that away is that in this case, it's someone who has the power to declassify documents. it's one thing if you're a specialist, you don't have the ability to do that. >> but do you think this was declassified -- do you think donald trump declassified these documents? this is a legal question. his defense is going to be that he believes that he did and what

happens -- the burden of proof will be on the prosecution to prove the elements beyond a reasonable doubt. >> the thing about the audio, it shows he didn't think he had the power. the point was i wish i could show this to you but it's classified and so i'm not able to declassify it because of these rules. >> all a back and forth that would if it got to it would be settled in a court of law. what's interesting when you make that argument, self-defense, you claim you declassified a particular document. then that is considered -- then you testified to it under oath, that is evidence as well, so the burden becomes even more difficult, do you have other witnesses -- >> that you declassified -- >> to contradict what the defendant in a particular case related to classified documents is claiming, so what we're talking about is the back and forth of how this plays out in a court of law. there's different

interpretations of federal law and a lot of confidence on both sides of the argument in the argument. if it gets to that point this is going to be a unique case because we're not talking about a case where someone is taking the document to try to cause harm. >> we don't know why president trump -- we just don't -- i'm not comparing him -- yeah, we don't know what his motivation is is what i'm saying the. >> high-profile case from a few months ago where the person was on, like, the gaming platform. >> fair but we don't know what his motivation is but we have a lawyer here, elie. >> it is true, biden, mike pence and donald trump had classified documents in their possession. that's just the beginning of the inquiry. knowledge and intent. we don't know whether joe biden or mike pence knew they had classified documents. they've denied it. donald trump has many times over acknowledged that he knew and in this new recording we have reporting on he again acknowledges he knows he has classified documents. then you get into the question

of intent. what was he going to do with these? he's not posting them online but one of the really important things about the reporting, it gives us the first indication of what on earth was he doing with these documents and what is he doing in this scenario? he's trying to persuade some journalists to spin things his way for political advantage by sort of flaunting, i have this classified information. that's not as bad as selling information to a foreign adversary but that's still a bad intent and that's a big difference. >> is it against the law? >> yeah, i mean the argument prosecutors will make, look, there's going to be an argument but the prosecutors are going to argue he had knowledge and had intent and the classification issue goes to intent. look, there's just no squaring his statements with this what's on that tape. he has said many times over including on our air at cnn, i declassified, i declassified. in this recording he's saying this is classified after he's left office so you just can't square nose. >> go ahead, john. >> that's the difference here, lee.

ali asked you a direct question. is it wrong for a former president to take classified documents and in this case on tape acknowledge they're classified which is why he couldn't show them to other people. that's a pretty easy yes or no question, i think. is that yes or no. >> the easy answer a classified document no matter who you are, whether you're the president of the united states or a private in the military should be handled to a highest level of standard to be able to protect the document. >> it was wrong for donald trump to have classified documents and be brandishing them in a meeting? >> so -- >> easy yes or no. >> if he is, in fact, taking classified documents out of the white house, which is an issue that is a question that pertains to president biden when he left, with vice president -- >> just focus on this case. >> but this is one of the challenges for the department of justice because if you want to go after president trump on this, you're saying that you should not be leaving the white house with classified documents. the question that's posed, this is an issue that needs to be

addressed across the board. >> i get the systemic issue but seems like you're tiptoeing up to saying it's wrong question is true but you're reluctant to say it. >> not true because you said yes or no. i said it doesn't matter who you are, whether president of the united states or private in the military, it's -- >> it's wrong for donald trump? >> there is an issue here with regards to what happens with records at the end of a presidency, a vice presidency because clearly there are multiple people now whether you're talking about president trump, vice president pence, vice president biden and who knows -- >> i take your point there's a systemic problem that, yeah, they need to do better recordkeeping but the distinction seems to be that the other two gentlemen that we're talking about say they didn't know they had it and donald trump says he did know he had it. >> can we note mar-a-lago is a security eye sore. we have seen more than one or two or three times individuals with ties to the chinese communist party and to the kremlin -- >> this is at bedminster, by the way.

>> all of his clubs are a security disaster and they have been the entire -- through his presidency so the knowledge he was talking about this in what can -- i can only imagine is a donald trump tone of voice which is not a whisper, in his club, a public place where we know that there have been very shady characters about, it's very disconcerting, pence does not have a golf club where the ccp hangs out and neither does joe biden. >> here's something interesting, elie, this is what tim parlatore was saying. this is a former donald trump attorney. i want to play the one where he's saying this is actually a failure of the national archives and get you to respond to this. so listen to this. >> whether it was classified or declassified is not really something that's relevant to the statute that we're talking about here, because really what doj is investigating is willful retention of national defense information.

whether it's classified or declassified is not an element of that offense. >> the one that i was hoping we were talking about where he says, i don't think this warrants an indictment. it's of failure of process is what led to documents leaving the white house going to mar-a-lago. failure of the national archives to get a facility in palm beach as they have for every other president since reagan within the hometown of the president where they move the documents to. >> yeah. >> so why did the national archives have to set up a facility? >> i'll respond to both what they showed us and what you said. let's assume that's correct. let's archives didn't get donald trump a security facility. not to be overlegalistic about it, but so what. that is an interesting point maybe to note as to how this happened but if he still has these documents and knows he has them and misusing them and flouting them about, this is a crime. it's not a defense, it's an interesting point, i guess and

it might score a half a point with a jury but it is not a defense. the other point he's making as to classification is actually interesting. i subscribe to the legal view that the president does have unilateral declassification power and does not have to go through any check list that any bureaucrat made up but the question is did he use that. >> if he has unilateral power, does he have to tell someone? >> the reason we have these checklists and bureaucratic framework so it's done in an orderly fashion but there needs to be some evidence he did it while he was president. to this point we've seen no such evidence and this new record flatly contradicts that he ever did declassify. >> okay. thank you all very much for all the thoughts on this. next we have new kfile reporting on what ron desantis says now and what he said in the past about dr. fauci. hint, they're very different. stick around for that. ahhh! icy hot pro starts working instantly.

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ron desantis is starting to attack former president trump pretty regularly on the campaign trail and one line of attack is about trusting dr. fauci. >> i think he did great for three years but when he turned it over to fauci that destroyed millions of lives. >> we have new reporting on how desantis has definitely changed

his tune on dr. fauci. my panel is back and joined by andrew kosinski from the kfile. okay. so tell us what you found about what desantis used to say versus what he is saying today about dr. fauci. >> that's right. there is some pandemic revisionism going on with the desantis attacks on donald trump. now he is attacking trump for praising fauci. we've seen his campaign do that. we've seen that he said that he turned the country over to fauci. now, desantis was praising dr. fauci in march and april of 2020 at the exact tame time that donald trump was. desantis in florida was citing dr. fauci's guidance. i think he said he deferred to his judgment to put in place policies that he's now referring to as lockdowns. now, take a listen to this clip here of desantis talking about fauci in march 2020. >> we chose freedom over fauciism, and the state of florida is better off as a

result of doing that. from dr. burks to dr. fauci to the vice president who has worked very hard, the surgeon general, they are really doing a good job. it's a tough, tough situation but they're working hard. >> yeah, i mean so basically nowadays on the campaign trail he's acting as though dr. fauci was some sort of totalitarian forcing everybody into lockdown. back then you even found from that same speech, i believe, where he said that dr. fauci was really, really good and really, really helpful. so what changed? >> you know, what's interesting about this is it's almost ironic in that trump and desantis pretty much have the same position on the pandemic, like, this is not some investigative -- this was three years ago, trump was calling in april and may to open up the country. trump was attacking dr. fauci on twitter. he was making statements in april and may of 2020 and who was one of the first governors

to open up? ron desantis and then andrew kosinski e-- >> is it possible he just evolved or changed his position in terms of businesses should have been closed. >> he absolutely has changed his position. >> maybe not in a hypocritical way but feels differently. >> what we're seeing from him is they're attacking the trump campaign and taking quotes from donald trump where donald trump is saying, oh, we needed to shut down the country, he's talking about march. he's talking about april of 2020. these were the shutdowns, these were the same shutdowns that ron desantis advocated in florida, so what the desantis campaign is doing is they're maybe possibly cherry-picking a quote from here or there to say that trump supports shutdowns but as we remember trump was right out there and he took a lot of heat for that when he was calling for these re-openings so early in the spring. >> can you imagine a politician cherry-picking a quote out of context? >> we're about to watch ron

desantis twisting himself into a pretzel you buy at the mall. running after trump, overtrumping trump, and it's hard to find a line where the trump people still like you and the independents still like you. i don't know if ron can do that. >> will this about-face, will people hold it against ron desantis? >> the trump people will and i think, andrew, kfile strikes again. the question is whether hypocrisy still sticks in a trump republican party. >> true. >> does it matter? it used to be the unforgivable sin in politics. >> it doesn't stick on trump. >> but, you know, i think the larger point is, look, the beginning of march everyone is galvanizing then all of a sudden not only the pandemic kicks in but that particular form of cynicism that says what unites us in the -- with the republican base is to own the lips and

define -- demonize dr. fauci and fund raise off demonizing dr. fauci. >> ha do you think. >> while it was the worst of times when covid first hit, my best memory of it was how well everyone was working together, whether you were a republican or democrat, whether you were the president, mayors, i was here in new york with a president trump, a governor cuomo and members of congress from both sides. everyone wanted to work together to get stuff done. for the first few weeks, quite favrely, no one really knew exactly what was happening. what we did know is that we needed to be as best prepared as we can for what could end up being the worst case scenario and really it's hard to find contrast and division in those initial few weeks, and it doesn't matter whether you are the furthest left or right, what party you are or what level of government you are, everybody was working together. >> what do you think about governor desantis changing his tune? >> after you get through the

first few weeks and as more information starts getting out you have governors taking two different paths across the country. there is different schedules for re-opening. there is different policies on masks and different policies on vaccine mandates. governor desantis was somebody who was one of the first governors who was seeking to re-open his state. i remember governor kemp doing that in georgia. i know it was a big contrast and controversy with these other states where they're saying, hey, you can't re-open this quickly and there are other states at the other extreme that were volunteering themselves to be the last to re-open. >> does that make dr. fauci's advice in march of 2020 now wrong? >> my biggest concern, my biggest concern back in march/april was, you know, that dr. fauci was still looking at this from a health standpoint and there were so many other dynamics of it. there were impacts on kid, on their -- getting them back into

school, the remote learning, not having access to broadband and that's just one specific example. the impact on the economy. dr. fauci, he was not there to be an economic expert. so what i think would have been much better if you were to overanalyze that moment is if you had -- if somebody is there as a health expert or health experts and you also have people economic experts and folks out there sticking up for the kids and you're coming up with decisions that are more of a balance than i think that there would have been a better solution struck but it is true, i mean, governor desantis to talk about how he was one of the first states, one of the first governors to be re-opening, but go back to march, everybody was getting along at every level of government. >> what's getting in your craw? >> i think the politicization of the pandemic ended up contributing to the deaths of over a million americans. what lee is saying those initial days when we were united in some ways that showed the best of the country and rallying to a crisis then the politicization of the

pandemic occurred and different states had different solutions which is difficult to do during a pandemic. the laboratories of democracy as we all know they are. but that politicization contributed to the deaths of people who didn't need to die. >> i don't remember dr. fauci stopping ron desantis from anything he did. >> he was critical of him in july. >> dr. fauci was critical of him in july. >> he was critical -- >> because he was taking it from a medical point of view and ron desantis was taking it from a business and economic point of view. >> also then the kids needed to be in school. >> yes, what he now calls dr. fauci a destructive bureaucrat, that is different how he felt about him. >> a big part of this is that the attacks on trump, it's -- are hypocritical because the quotes that he's using to attack trump are from that same time period that, like congressman zeldin said where everybody was along the same page. >> got it, okay. thank you very much for sharing

this with us. andrew, great to see you. president biden is fine according to the white house after he tripped on a sandbag and fell at the air force academy today. dr. griner is going to be with us after this to tell us what he sees and if this is happening too often. >> you think your response was adequate? >> you can talk all you want. i already told you -- >> are you going to tell you didn't know there were kids inside the classroom. tell us you didn't know there were kids inside the classroom. >> there is no response. >> did you know clrp kids inside that classroom. >> no response. >> really? because we care o.

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the white house says president biden is fine. he landed on his right side before being helped up. he tripped on a sandbag. the president poked fun at himself as he returned to the white house. >> i got sandbagged. >> all right. let's bring in cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner and also advise the medical team under george w. bush. was that fall that you just saw

cause for concern to you? >> well, it was bad optics certainly for the president but he tripped on the sandbag. we learned a little bit about the president's gait from his doctor, dr. kevin o'connor after the president had his physical this february and what dr. o'connor said he has a fairly sort of stiff gait. it's noticeable that he takes short steps and almost shuffles his feet and dr. o'connor had some of his neurology advisers assess the president to look for any neurological cause and appears that the conclusion was that he's very arthritic and he's very stiff and walks with a stiff gait and when you do that, you don't have a lot of sort of agility. so when your foot catches a sandbag, you go down. we've seen the president fall a couple of other times going up the stairs of air force one.

if you don't get your leg high enough, if you're stiff and trying to jog up the steps pretty quickly because otherwise you're in pretty good shape, you know, you go down. so i think the optics were bad. i don't think it means anything in terms of the president's physical capacity or his overall condition right now. >> i mean obviously when an 80-year-old falls it's always cause for concern because the fall can create cascading problems but there's also concern if there's something going on neurological that's causing the fall but you're saying that that has been ruled out because of his recent checkup and it is for physical? >> yeah, dr. o'connor actually i think in his four-page note addressed that and looked for parkinson's that affects the cells that secrete dopamine, that can cause, you know, similar kinds of appearances of

gait. you see people taking short steps but the president apparently doesn't have any of the other stigmata of that and didn't think he had parkinson's and he's 80 years old and we know 80-year-olds fall. one out of every four people over the age of 65 will fall in any given year. there are about 3 million e.r. visits a year for mechanical falls, one of the most common reasons they come to the e.r. but older people fall more commonly. and once someone falls they're more likely to fall again. the sequela of falling can be severe. you can break a hip and that can be life changing or life ending if you break a hip and the president takes a blood thinner for atrial fibrillation. if you're on a blood thinner you're more likely to bleed as a consequence of the fall. so these are not, you know, so benign and while i think the worst part of today for the president was the political optics, i don't think there is

really any -- this is not some sort of ominous talisman about his medical condition. >> i fell in the hallway because i was wearing high heels and walking too fast recently. well, it was actually about three years ago now come to think of it and it's so startling as an adult when you fall, it knocks the wind out of you and you can't believe you just fell. he got up faster than i did. are you encouraged seeing him back at the white house looking pretty spry. >> look, otherwise the president appears to be in pretty good physical condition. i'll note that even more startling this week bruce springsteen took a fall on stage and he was on his back for quite a bit longer than the president today. >> that is excellent context. thank you very much, dr. reiner, really appreciate talking to you. >> my pleasure. okay, a graduation speech by a student is drawing criticism including from our congressman

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the commencement address given by a student at the city university of new york school of law's graduation ceremony is drawing sharp criticism. the student's remarks are condemned as anti-israel. she also had harsh words for the new york police department, the u.s. military and the school itself. here it is. >> this school's mission statement is void of value. that as israel continues to indiscriminately rain bullets and bombs on worshippers murdering the old, the young,

attacking even funerals and graveyards as it encouraging lynch mobs to target palestinian homes and business as it imprisons people and in spite of the racism in spite of the selective activism, the self-serving interests of cuny that continues to fail us and cooperates with the fascist nypd, the military but continues to train idf soldiers to carry out that same violence globally. a larger institution committed to its donors, not to its students. >> we're back with our panel. congressman, is that freedom of speech? >> it's hate speech. and by the way, you're just playing a clip. she was talking about this -- now she's getting her law degree in the system that she is getting involved in the rule of law issues talking about how it was white supremacist and how it needs to get torn down.

she was using other rhetoric where, you know, if you were with the administration and you have the opposing view to what she's saying it's because you're getting bought off by investors which is a longtime anti-semitic trope. on top of the clip you just played, you graduate, it's your commencement ceremony, you're there with family and friend, this is your dream. you should be able to enjoy that moment without having to experience that. what makes this worse is that the university of new york has had an issue for a number of years and the city council scheduled a hearing around the schedule of the cuny chancellor. he ends up no-showing. last year at the cuny law commencement address there's another speaker who ends up being criticized for similar reasons and a professor giving a sermon on a sunday in new jersey talking about death to israel. you have jewish faculty resigning from jobs that they loved because the faculty student administration was passing resolutions that made them feel unwelcome.

i believe that there needs to be a change of the administration at cuny. i believe that all jewish students and jewish faculty should feel welcome at cuny, of all faiths, of all backgrounds and you can't go for a third time not being a charm next year. you have to stand up and do something now and this isn't about just jews being offended but others being offended. cuny has an issue that needs to get addressed and just saying that what we experienced, what we heard, what we listened to was bad and we don't do anything about it, it's going to continue to get worse and metastasize in a worst way at the university. >> i have the statement. they said in response to this, this is from the board of trustees and the chancellor of cuny, free speech is precious but often messy and it is vital to the foundation of higher education, hate speech, however, should not be confused with free speech and has no place on our campuses, in our city or state or our nation. the remarks by a student selected speaker at the cuny law school fell into the category of hate speech as they were a

public expression of hate toward people and communities based on their religion, race or political afill grace, the board of trustees of the city and university of new york condemns such hate speech. here's what's interesting. we asked them if they were aware the she was going to give this and it's unsatisfying. they said that the cuny law school dean saw a first draft of this commencement speech delivered by fatima mohamed who is that student. there is no approval process but the spokesperson said we strongly encourage speakers to work with us on tone and time limits. we have no idea if they saw those or if the student inserted them after this dean maybe signed off often the first draft. >> that's right. we should get to the bottom of that. what you just saw was a very clear condemnation by cuny. look, it was to my judgment a loathsome speech. it was anti-semitic.

it was anti-israel. calling the nypd fascist is absurd and insulting and cuny is the city university of new york. it's a great institution and taxpayer supported so conspiracies about listening to the donors is off base among many, many other problems. it's also a fact that while cuny called this hate speech she is a student exercising first amendment rights, and you can condemn it clearly and i see no reason why most folks wouldn't while also saying as a student, you know, she may have had a right to give the speech but that shouldn't be license and she should be roundly condemned for it. it's totally offensive particularly at a taxpayer funded university. >> cnn has made multiple attempts to contact fatima mohamed to get her response but we have to no avail been able to make contact. >> it's hard to have real conversations about what the political situation is in israel

when there is hate speech surrounding its very existence to survive. like it just blows those conversations out of the water. this is a very complicated situation. and we do not start from a place where israel should not exist. israel has every right to exist, period. so i don't agree with all that's going on with the settlements but that's a whole different conversation from just saying we don't have israel. israel should not exist and that's where this is very upsetting because now we have a hate-filled conversation. we have a conversation that doesn't actually get to any solution making or the heart of the matter. >> it's a disgraceful speech in every respect and i think the solution for a bad speech is more speech, right, and good on cuny for coming out with a solid condemnation and we're talking about it and condemning it too and people can disagree but this is utterly disgraceful. >> thank you all for that.

we do want to go to melanie zanona live on capitol hill as promised because the senators, we understand, are voting right now. tell us all the color that's happening there. >> reporter: that's exactly right, alisyn. as we speak the senate is voting on final passage of a bill that would raise the debt ceiling until 2025. and also limit future spending. they're working quickly. i'm watching the floor as we speak. they need 60 votes for this to pass in the senate so it is going to take some cooperation from both sides of the aisle, but alisyn, we are expecting them to be able to pass this any moment. they've actually been working through amendment votes tonight through lightning speed trying to get out of here as quickly as possible. among of those did pass but that was part of their agreement to try to move things along and speed things along because the default deadline is just days away. so it looks like congress is going to be able to avoid economic catastrophe with just days to go until the deadline but it was no easy feat to get here, alisyn. half of the battle was just hammering out this agreement

between president biden and speaker kevin mccarthy. they were trying to hammer out a fiscal complicated agreement. usually these things take months to negotiate and they did it in a matter of weeks. there's blowups along the way. at times things looked like they were going off the rail but then they got there and the second half of the battle was selling it to members. there was a lot of concern on both sides of the aisle. democrats and republicans alike had concerns over this bill. democrats in particular worried about the stricter work requirements for food stamp recipients, they also do not like some of the permitting reforms for energy projects and then you had republicans particularly conservatives over on the house side who do not like that this bill is going to extend the debt ceiling for as long as it is. they don't think the spending cuts go far enough and in the senate you had republican defense hawks worried about the impacts on future defense spending but in the end we are expecting a bipartisan coalition to come together, deliver a win for president biden and their party leadership and avoid what

would have been the first ever default, alisyn. >> okay, melanie, we will check back with you throughout the next hour also so that you can monitor what's happening. there could be son-in-law sort of succession surprise ending. we'll see. is taylor swift getting her fans too excited? we'll tell you about the brain dysfunction that fans are reporting after seeing her concerts. that's next. ♪ it's me, hi, i'm the problem, it's me ♪ ♪ at tea time everybody agrees ♪

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♪ because the players gonna play, play, play and the haters ♪ all right, taylor swift fangs are experiencing something crazy. it's called post-concert amnesia. several swifties say they cannot remember the concert because while the excitement was overwhelming. so one user on reddit says does anyone else feel like they kind of disassociated during the concert? another asks, anyone else experiencing this? i waited half a year for this moment and now that it's over my brain seems to be trying to convince me i wasn't there. another fan tells "time" magazine, quote, it feels like an out-of-body experience as though it didn't happen to me yet i he no it go because my bank account took a $950 hit to cover the ticket. i'm back with lee zeldin and elie honig, obvious swifties themselves. you've seen this up close and personal. >> i had a remarkable experience. i stayed at my cousin's house and her daughter, who is 17, went to the concert with three other teenage girls and i saw

the next day, let me tell you, it was as if they had seen the face of god herself. they were giddy, they were elated. they were ecstatic and i asked her, the 17-year-old today in preparation. do you remember everything, i said. there's a part at the end i have no memory of and my friends said that happened and she said, i have no memory so i guess she blanked out out of pure ecstasy. >> wow. is natural swift hypnotizing them? >> my daughters are 16. we have not been to a taylor swift concert. aside from the fact the tickets are as high as they are it's making me want to go to the concert with them to see what we're talking about. quite an experience and my daughters would love it. i don't know it causes something bad to the brain. >> so our firic. usually those things are in

technicolor. like an intense experience. somehow this is not. >> have you ever -- i've been to springsteen concerts. for a guy from jersey, that's like seeing -- >> i have broken down crying at concerts. >> they try too. constantly. >> awesome. please go and report back to us immediately. >> i'm on it. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. all right, coming up, some of our favorite reporters are going to be here. we have breaking news, the senate just passed the debt ceiling bill. we have much more to come. we'll take you to capitol hill for the exact numbers and how it all came to pass and our reporters will weigh in too. ♪ ("i like to move it" by reel 2 real plays) ♪ we're reinventing our network... for total confidence and complete control. ♪ ♪ fast. reliable. perfectly orchestratated. the united states postal service. ♪ move it! ♪

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