but cnn has confirmed that that extradition is beginning tonight. now, the charges involved here stem from the 2008 disappearance of natalie holloway, but it is extortion and fraud. the charges came about in 2010 because there was a reward at that point of up to $250,000 for anyone who could help show the family where the remains were of natalie holloway. joran van der sloot step forward. he said, i can tell you where the remains are. i want the $250,000. i want a cash down payment. representatives of the family went there, showed him where the remains were, later he told the family, i lied to you. he will be represented by an attorney in the united states, innocent until proven guilty. >> of course, that's hugely significant that this is happening after so many years. gene, thank you very much. and thanks to all of you for being with us.

"ac 360" starts now. tonight on "360," where is the document? exclusive new cnn reporting that the former president's attorneys were unable to find the classified document he's reportedly telling people he had. we also have new reporting about what sparked investigators to go after him in the first place. also tonight, president biden speaking to the nation, spreading the credit for the budget deal, praising republicans and democrats for coming together to get things done. and later we take you inside ukraine's effort to build and acquire 200,000 drones this year, and what kind of impact they may have in the fight against russia. we begin tonight with new cnn exclusive reporting on the classified document the former president claimed to have. prosecutors issued a subpoena related to it, but his lawyers told authorities they were unable to find the actual document. evan perez joins us with the latest. what's going on here? they literally cannot find this thing? >> reporter: they literally cannot find this thing, anderson. and the question is, does the president have the document

somewhere? did he lose it? did he even have it during that july 2021 meeting that, you know, cnn reported earlier this week where he was waving it around. this was in a meeting where he was meeting -- he was having a meeting with some biographers working on a book for mark meadows. and he was said to be talking about this battle plan, this plan to attack iran. and the issue is that the prosecutors that are handling this investigation, jack smith's prosecutors, have sent a subpoena asking for any and all documents related to iran, related to this possible meeting from july of 2021. they, of course, did this after bringing in one of his closest aides, communications aide, margot martin, who was inside that meeting. she was brought before the grand jury. she was played a recording from that meeting. and that's when prosecutors then issued a subpoena to the trump team asking for all of these

documents, any of these documents to be brought in. according to the trump legal team, they don't know whether this document exists, and they also don't know whether during that july meeting, anderson, whether the president was just making it up or whether it's somewhere else right now. >> and is that the trump legal team's position right now, that they still don't know? what's been the response to all of this? >> well, you know, they respond -- as you've seen a variety of their responses over the course of this investigation, including calling this, obviously, a political witch hunt. the former president in a town hall with fox news said that he has no knowledge of this july meeting. and they say that they still don't know, obviously, where this document is that prosecutors are so interested in. the thing is, anderson, the bottom line here is that prosecutors throughout months have insisted that they believe trump has -- continues to possess classified documents that must be returned. so, they've gone to court trying to force the president to be found in contempt. and so far, they still believe

documents have yet to be returned. the former president says that he doesn't have anything left in his possession, anderson. >> evan perez, appreciate it. conservative lawyer george conway joins us now, also con t contributor to "the washington post." we have not seen this document. we don't know exactly the nature of it. how concerning is it, though, that these attorneys say they're unable to find it? >> well, it is concerning that the document was apparently flying around from washington to mar-a-lago, perhaps, and then to bedminster. but i think at the end of the day, in terms of a potential prosecution, it's not going to matter. what matters is the fact that he is said to have acknowledged president trump on this tape, that he possessed classified documents and that he knew he possessed classified documents. and the fact that that was his state of mind when he was requested to give the documents

back later, the next year, and then refused to give them back, and then gave some of them back and then lied about giving them all back and so on and so forth. it's just another smoking gun in a smoking arsenal. >> secretary, again, we don't know what this exact document was. would there be other copies of it, prosecutors would have access to? or would they be able to reach out to somebody in the pentagon to find out exactly what this document may have been? >> well, if the document did exist, then certainly the pentagon would have access to it. if the former president is quoting something about chairman milley, then chairman milley obviously would be a source to go to to say what was involved. rather than look at the legal side of it, george can certainly do that, i'd like to talk a little bit about the implication for our national security. we spend billions -- tens of billions -- of dollars collecting intelligence in order

to protect the american people. the notion that we are so cavalier, our elected leaders, the president of the united states, is so cavalier about those documents, puts our men and women in grave danger. and just today, "the washington post," there's an article talking about iran planning to help kill american soldiers in syria at the behest of the russians. so, this is what's involved. why are we making a big deal about this? because lives really are at stake. our men and women serving us are at stake. and the american people's security is compromised with this kind of information gets out. >> the former president was asked about this document and the recording acknowledging he had classified documents. here's what he told fox. >> i don't know anything about it. all i know is this. everything i did was right. we had the presidential records act, which i abided by 100%. >> i mean, obviously, it's a ludicrous answer, just saying he doesn't know anything about it.

there's allegedly a recording of his voice on this. he could easily ask somebody about it if he wanted to answer that question. how does all of this complicate the former president's defense as it relates to the special counsel's investigation? >> well, he doesn't have a defense, so i guess he can say whatever he wants. everything he does say, though, will be used against him. the fact of the matter is, there's no dispute. even at the time of the search warrant execution last august, we saw the search warrant affidavit used by the fbi to get the search warrant. it was virtually an open and shut case then. i mean, he had the documents, he refused to give them back, he lied about giving them back, and he went and executed the search warrant and found these documents. so, i don't know that statements like that make it any worse for him. they certainly don't make it better. >> secretary cohen, obviously the u.s. works with, relies on, allies in its intelligence gathering. how does not being able to locate a document like this or

even a notion that a former president would be waving around a document like this, how does that impact other nations' willingness to work with and share intelligence with the u.s.? >> well, it really erodes and corrodes our credibility. and for example, the former president following the firing of the fbi director, the very next day, released information to the russian foreign minister, the russian ambassador, that may have compromised the entail sequenhave compromised the intelligence from israel. they have to say, is the information we're giving to the united states going to be protected? because we have people at risk on the front lines. our ambassadors, our military, they're all at risk. so, when we turn information over to the united states, we expect it to be really handled with the greatest of care. and that clearly is not the case here. the president demonstrated it time and time again. >> george, what does this signal

to you about the time line? i don't know if it signals anything, but what do you think about the time line in the special counsel's investigation? >> i think the timeline generally is just suggested by the fact that we know so much now about the investigation. because what happens in these investigations is that there are lots of witnesses. witnesses one by one go in and they're interviewed by the justice department or the fbi, and they're sent to the grand jury. and now you're getting to the point where there is so many people who know, and the lawyers all shared information to make sure their client is not saying anything that is being contradicted by some other lawyer's client. they're sharing all this information. that means lots and lots of people know a lot about this investigation, which is why we're seeing this flood of information coming out. >> that's interesting. >> which tells me that this investigation is nearly done. and when you think about it, you look at the calendar, i mean, you want to get -- i mean, if you were jack smith, you're not rushing it for political

purposes, but you're rushing to avoid the political implications of having this -- having an indictment issued during an election season. and of having a trial too late next year. you want to have a trial next summer or earlier next year, you've got to bring this case sooner rather than later. and you want to bring these charges before the campaign really gets underway because that way you insulate yourself from the charge that you're doing it for political purposes. but i think when this indictment comes out, it's going to be a blockbuster because given that what we know, it's an open and shut case many times over. and i'm sure it's going to be a very, very interesting indictment to read. >> george conway, william cohen, i appreciate it. thank you both. coming up next, you think the primaries are just days away by how the former president and ron desantis have been going at each other. what it says about the race ahead. plus president biden addressing the nation tonight with the debt ceiling done. can he translate that to better approval numbers as he gears up for his campaign?

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during a rally today in south carolina, governor ron desantis was asked by an attendee about the former president's election denialism and whether it was time to move on from the, quote, 2020 stuff. his response was, success means looking forward, not backwards. he said, i think the candidates who have focused on the past have not done well. his back and forth between he and the former president has

escalated in the last few days. >> what are you talking about? i'm not here with people. >> are you lying? >> he had a very bad day today. he got very angry at the press. not allowed to get angry at the press. >> i think it's a project that will begin on day one, and it will require a daily grind for not just one term, but i think for two full presidential terms. >> eight years. we need eight years. you don't need eight years. you need six months. we can turn this thing around so quickly. >> why didn't he do it in the first four years. >> you don't change your name in the middle of the election. >> that's ridiculous. listen. the way to pronounce my last name, winner. >> i'm joined by adam kinzinger, former republican congressman of illinois, and member of the january 6th committee. congressman, last time we spoke was right before desantis announced his candidacy. he said he's not really the best campaigner.

do you think his recent back and forth with the former president is working for him? too soon to tell? >> i don't -- look, i think it's important that he goes at the former president to an extent. he's still kind of keeping his powder dry. he doesn't mention trump by name. he speaks kind of in generic terms, says candidates need to look forward, not backwards. he doesn't talk about donald trump. there's still somehow this belief that some magical pony is going to come into this race and sweep ron desantis in by default. the truth is, you have to go after donald trump. and you can't out-trump trump. and i think that's what ron desantis is trying to do. all you've got to do, frankly, anderson, is take a peek at twitter and watch the desantis and trump camps right now. they're absolutely destroying each other. i think this is really anybody's game, including either of those two possibly being the nominee. >> audi, do you think what's happening on twitter between the campaigns, that's going to eventually start happening from the mouth of ron desantis? >> i think this is the challenge

for anybody who really wants to kind of come at the former president. if you can'tout-trump trump, if you can't be a smaller version of him, what is the actual lane that you occupy? and once you occupy that lane, does it actually have a constituency? this is a real struggle for the party right now is figuring out what that lane is and drawing a sizable constituency to it. but in the meantime, desantis has to not get metaphorically punched in the face. whenever you draw the attention of trump and he goes back and forth, this means he's taking you seriously. and watching desantis kind of bob and weave, for example on the name thing, making sure that he is not robbed of his name or that no big nickname sticks, this is a reflection of what people have learned about trying to pair riy with him. >> you talk about trying to wait for a magic pony to deal with trump. do you think these candidates are expecting an indictment to

somehow or prosecutors to somehow take care of the problem of, you know, this man in the race that they don't know how to run against? >> yeah, i certainly think that's a hope that none of them will ever speak out loud. they shall say nothing about donald trump in public. i think it's that. i think it's also maybe somebody will come in and actually do the dirty work for them and take out donald trump, i think is why some people are excited about chris christie coming in, even though i remind people that he actually took out marco rubio and was one of the first to endorse donald trump in 2016. so, i think it's a lot of -- and, look, it's not a bad play. if you're ron desantis and you've decided not to try to be a better person than donald trump but to just try to out-trump trump, it's actually an okay strategy if you know that donald trump is not going to make it to the primary election day. and i think that's what he's banking on. if for some reason donald trump gets indicted and he goes down, ron desantis at this moment today is probably there to pick up the slack. but the way these guys were

fighting with each other and their camps were fighting with each other, i don't think there's going to be much friendship left between either of them. >> everyone does look to what happened to marco rubio, who decided to try to out-trump trump and talked about his small hands, et cetera, and kind of annihilated himself. >> that's true. at the same time, if you look at the long list of people who had thoughts about trump, who suddenly thought he was great, like a ted cruz or a chris christie, you know that trump sees this all part of strategy and gain. and i think in some way, he sees it as that too. the campaign is quote, unquote taking punches. it's a very aggressive way of going about the process. and people kind of don't take it as seriously as they could because they've also got evidence from the last few years that republicans will come around, you know, to him if he is in power. >> congressman, what about the field? i mean, it's already crowded. it's going to get more crowded.

obviously, the comparisons to 2015/2016, that the more crowded it gets, the better that helps the former president. do you see -- how does somebody decide to drop out? i mean -- because a lot of these candidates won't even come close to him in the polling, and everyone wants the other candidate to drop out thinking, oh, if only they could stay in and everyone else drops out. >> yeah. i mean, this is an exact repeat of 2015. everybody is running. literally everybody that ever thought about running is running or thinking about running right now. and it's exactly what happened in 2015. and the problem is -- so, right now, you know, having a lot of candidates in the race, technically, i guess it's fine because there's still a lot of time before the first primary. people can drop out after the first primary. but the problem is, narratively, this is allowing donald trump to be in the lead forever. and over and over. if he's getting 30% and the next candidate's getting 5% and 6%,

and that is emblazoned in the people's minds for the section ten months, he's going to be the republican nominee. everyone has a right to run, obviously. but i wish some of these candidates would say, look, i'm not going to win, so i'm going to stay out because donald trump will get 35%, at least of the republican base. anybody splitting up the rest of that just makes him the nominee. >> adam kinzinger, audi cornish. coming up next what the president said to americans tonight, and also a report from the white house, a conversation with david axelrod next. our unique gel flex grid draws away h heat, helping you fall asleep p faster. it relieves pressure for less “ow,” and more “ahhh.” and instantly adapts as you move, without ever disturbing your partner. amazing. sleep better. live purple. save $800 off mattress sets at our memorial day event. visit purple.com or a store near you.

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legislation to avert a government default, president biden didn't hide who he is or what he believes, nor did he shy away from criticizing a number of republican priorities. that said, he was also quick to praise both sides involving the budget talks and the compromise they reached. >> i want to commend speaker mccarthy. you know, he and i and our teams, we were able to get along and get things done, were straightforward with one another, completely honest with one another, and respectful with one another. both sides operated in good faith. both sides kept their word. and i want to commend other congressional leaders. house minority leader jeffreys, senate majority leader schumer, senate minority leader mcconnell. they acted responsibly and put the good of the country ahead of politics. >> in a moment, david axelrod, who witnessed many important moments in the obama/biden white house reflects. phil mattingly joins us now.

what else did the president say tonight? >> reporter: anderson, the focus of the president's reports tonight were several pronged to some degree. he wanted to make clear to the public just how near they were to potential disaster as these negotiations worked in fits over the course of the last several weeks, eventually reaching a resolution. and he wanted to explain what was in the deal and why a lot of the things that were kept out of the deal by white house negotiators were just as critical as the file kwout are come itself. he also wanted to highlight, as you noted, the bipartisan aspect. it's what he believes, who he's been, something he campaigned on in 2020. and he wanted to make clear there were results on that front. take a look. >> i know bipartisanship is hard and dwriunity is hard, but we c never start trying because of moments like this one, the ones we just faced, where the american economy and the world economy is at risk of collapsing. there's no other way, no matter

how tough our politics gets. we need to see each other not as adversaries but as fellow americans. >> reporter: anderson, as the president made clear, there were policy disputes and that's what the battle in the negotiations was over. this moment, the president's first ever oval office address in prime-time when compared to what he had been doing over the course of the last several weeks, very intentionally quiet, not talking about what's being negotiated, not talking about priorities. that was something white house officials said was part of the process, didn't want to settle anything, very different approach than he saw from speaker kevin mccarthy and his top deputies. tonight was an opportunity, with that backdrop, to have the last word. >> with the re-election looming, the campaign beginning, it was also about that. >> there's no question about it. the entire time, i think the entire 13 minutes that i listened to those remarks, you realized how inextricably linked

in the eyes of his top adviser this was to achieve an outcome at this point. and his campaign message, which is fairly unchanged since 2020, his theory of the case throughout. and the ability to lay that out in a detailed and coherent manner, lay out the fact that this is his message throughout and he believes based on his legislative accomplishments, many of which were bipartisan like this agreement here, that he has delivered results. and i think the jobs numbers today underscore they feel like there's real strength in the economy. i think the big question, which has long been the case, can they connect that reality, in their minds, to where voters are. the views of the economy, the direction of the country. this could be a moment given this has been hanging over the administration for the better part of six months where they see a pivot point, an opportunity to really deliver that message, where they feel like they've gotten results, critical moment to do so, given the fact the general election is a year away. whether or not that will actually happen though, an open question, certainly a first

start tonight, anderson. >> phil mattingly, appreciate it from the white house. reaction now from cnn political commentator, david axelrod, who served as senior adviser to president obama and worked alongside then vice president biden. can he turn these better than expected job numbers into some kind of a rallying cry for his campaign? >> well, look, this was a big moment. but largely because of the disaster that it averted. and i think what he's trying to sell here is steady, mature stewardship of the economy in the midst of all this political chaos around him. and as an island of experience and wisdom and so on. and i think that there's some value to that. whether that has some durable value, i think, remains to be seen. there is an eternity, anderson between now and when people vote next november.

and i think there will be many intervening events that will probably supplant whatever he achieved here. >> we've also seen the bipartisan infrastructure deal, inflation reduction act, 2022. both of those he got those passed but without substantial change in his approval ratings. why do you think the administration has such difficult times when it comes to public opinion? >> first of all, i think we live in a time of deep polarization, when it's very hard to move numbers. you have a red team and a blue team. and most voters fall into one column or the other. and it's very hard to move numbers. secondly, i think there is a hangover from the recession. coming out from the pandemic, that has left people unsettled. i mean, objectively, in many ways the economy is extraordinarily strong compared to when the president took office. but there is this sense of unease. and a lot of things driven by

inflation. and so his economic approval numbers are actually quite bad, especially relative to what he has achieved. i think the hope is, by underlining what happened today and what happened overnight that he can jolt those numbers a little bit. but, again, we are sitting here in june of 2023, and we're talking about an election that's going to happen in november of 2024. so, you know, i think subsequent events will determine whether, in fact, he can get those numbers. >> also just events like what happened yesterday, the fall at the air force academy. there's rightly or wrongly a lot of attention on it. if you were advising president biden right now, how do you think he should approach the upcoming race? >> well, look, i think that you can't change your age. so, those kinds of incidents are going to get outsized attention.

i thought it was really interesting that the day that he tripped over a sandbag and fell, he kept the american economy from falling into a great big and disastrous hole, which seems more important to me. but the fact is that age is going to continue to be an issue for him. and so he tells people, watch me. and i think the reason he's speaking to the nation tonight is he wants people to focus on the substantive things that he's doing and not on things like the trip at the air force academy. >> how much faith do you put in polls that show a close race between president biden and former president trump this far out from a presidential election. as you said, there's so many things that can happen between now and then. >> i don't put all that much stock in those polls other than to say that there is sort of a floor beyond which both candidates will not fall. and so you're going to have a close race. one interesting number to watch

is, you know, trump was hovering around the 45% level in these polls in the last election. can he get higher than that? because i think that's going to be important. and how high can biden go in these polls? but i think for a while now, it's going to be stable. i don't think you're going to see a whole lot of movement in the direction of one candidate or another. so, desantis numbers are quite the same. basically a tie. and it's been that way for some months. i expect it's going to stay that way until late in this campaign. >> david axelrod, appreciate it, thanks. >> all right. good to see you. >> coming up, a look at a ukrainian company building combat drones. according to the company, the owner could reach moscow, which saw it's first drone attack earlier this week. fred pleitgen is in ukraine, joins us next.

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ukrainian air defense says they were able to destroy dozens of russian missiles and drones that took part in an early morning attack. authorities say two ukrainianss,

including an 11-year-old child, were injured by falling debris. ukrainian shelling in belgorod killed two people. earlier this week, a drone attack on moscow left at least two people injured and several buildings damaged. there was a significant turn in the war that until recently had left russia largely untouched. today vladimir putin appeared to acknowledge these strikes on his country, calling them attempts to destabilize, and quote, stir up the situation within the russian federation. our fred pleitgen joins us from a look inside the drone war. can you look at how things have changed for ukrainians with this now constant threat of drone strikes? >> reporter: it certainly changed a great deal, and for a lot of people it's really unnerving, especially in the capital kyiv. there's a lot of nights where people here simply don't get any sleep because they live in fear the entire time. the way these drone attacks work

is this swarm of drones coming toward the ukrainian capital. you hear the engines hovering above you and you hear the ukrainians trying to take them down. but of course what's happening now is the ukrainians are fighting back. they've launched their own massive drone program which they can project power and reach not only into russian-held territory but into russian territory as well. here's what we're learning. >> can this fly into russia? >> yeah. >> reporter: this company makes combat drones for ukrainian frontline troops, and they allowed us to film test flights at a secret location. he says, reaching moscow is not a problem. >> 700 kilometers with war head, 20 kilograms. >> reporter: while ukraine denies direct involvement in the recent moscow drone attack, kyiv has drastically expanded its use of drones for everything from surveillance to directly bombing

russian ground troops. cheap, easy to use, and lethal, uavs, once considered toys, are now vital to kyiv's war effort. >> ukrainians say for them, drones are the big equalizer in this war. they say the russians have more tanks, artillery, and planes, but the ukrainians have the creativity of their population. this is a drone competition organized by ukraine's government with simulated attacks on ground targets, chasing fixed-wing drones, and even drone dogfights. we were granted exclusive access on the condition we don't reveal the location. it's like a start-up fair for fpv, or first-person view, drones. flown by pilots wearing vr goggles from a makeshift trench to simulate the battlefield.

>> translator: our drones are very easy to use, especially if the pilot has flown similar drones. i think they will intuitively understand how they work. >> reporter: the stakes are immense. a general involved in drone procurement for ukraine's military tells me about 30 companies in ukraine are already mass-producing these drones, and our goal is to purchase up to 200,000 by the end of the year. their backs up against the wall when russia's massive army invaded last year. the ukrainians quickly realized cheap air power could help keep them in the fight. first using modified consumer drones now with more sophisticated uavs developed in ukraine, what the government here calls the army of drones project, spearheaded by the minister of digital transformation. >> translator: this is a technological war, and it's very important to understand how technology is developing and what we as a state can do to increase the number of drones.

a certain revolution is also taking place regarding production scaling. >> reporter: and while the ukrainians still won't admit direct involvement, the russians do admit they are concerned they might soon see more armed drones flying towards moscow. >> it's incredible to see up close like that, fred. is there any indication when we could see these drones, ukrainians purchasing above the battlefield in the fight? >> well, i think it could be very soon. some of the drones that we saw there at that drone competition, they've already been on the battlefield but in small quantities. and i think one of the things, anderson, that we all need to understand is that on every battlefield here in ukraine whether it's bakhmut or whether it's in the south, in the rear echelon of those battlefields, you always have a small little shop that's developing new drones and that's trying to improve some of the drones that are already there. for instance, to make it impossible for the russians to geolocate the person who's operating the drone or to make it impossible to hack into those drones. so, that's already happening all the time. what the government here tells

me is they want to make it as quick as possible that they find a startup, identify that that startup could help them, and then scale up production as fast as possible. you could see some of these drones on the battlefield very soon. >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. perspective from military analyst general mark hertling. what do you make of how drones are being used right now in ukraine? >> well, the insertion of these private sector operators is very good, anderson. you know, these are not that new. drones have been around for a while. i had, back in 2008, when i was in iraq, all of our units had small, what we call raven drones, which were literally hand launched, would give infantry units opportunity to see ahead of them in the battle to even look inside buildings at times. so, ukraine has actually taken this to a new level. the drones in the past, the

unmanned aerial systems, as we like to call them, are something that is an advancement on the battlefield today. but i've got to tell you, what we've seen in terms of using drones in ukraine beyond reconnaissance but to actually drop munitions, to counter electronic warfare, these are some new opportunities, i think, in warfare, and it's certainly going to change the scene. we're learning a lot from ukraine and their use of drones. >> so, do you think that the u.s. military is looking at that as something they may want to incorporate or figure out how to incorporate or explore more? >> oh, we've been looking at it for a long time, anderson. in fact, at our training centers five or six years ago, they actually introduced drone swarms. we saw those kind of things in the war between armenia and azerbaijan just a few years ago when there were opportunities to destroy tanks with drones. and in the battle in -- it was

an area that surprised a lot of people. iranians had been using them for a very long time. but the publication and the social media aspect of what's been happening in ukraine, i think it surprised a lot of people who don't know drone warfare is part of the modern battlefield. it's been going on for quite some time, but a great report by fred pleitgen just now. >> russia said a group of chechen special forces have begun in ukraine. we heard about the wagner forces. but there were chechens involved early on in the attempt to decapitate the leadership in kyiv in the first days of this war. we haven't heard much about them over the last year or so. do you think that's -- i mean, is that significant that they're announcing that there's chechens now? >> yeah, i don't believe it is, anderson. what we've seen is mr. putin attempting to get a variety of

groups to do his fighting for him. >> right. >> and part of the reason for that is there are people who are selling him on these groups being capable of conducting operations when they're really not. they're used to certain kinds of battlefields destroying things like they did in chechnya, syria -- excuse me. and they don't take the place of good, well-trained soldiers who are well-led on the battlefield under nco supervision. they're just a bunch of thugs in private military corporations. >> part of it seems to be also psychological, you know, that -- as you said, that there's lots of people in the fight, but also that chechens have a reputation of just being thugs and brutal and, yeah, just horrific. >> yeah. and i'm not sure how to compare them to the wagner group, and i'm not sure you can get more thuggish than the kind of prisoners that mr. prigozhin recruited in the last days of the battle of bakhmut. but, again, it's just trying to

throw a bunch of free-floating electrons onto the battlefield that aren't in very large groups or don't have any operational savvy. they're just flat out killers. >> right. >> but when you don't have the capability to conduct operations either offensive or defensive and you're just throwing yourself into the fight with a weapon, things don't end up too well. and we've seen that with the wagner group. >> bill hertling, thanks. much needed lighter news on this friday night. he is just 14 years old and the best student speller in the country. his winning moment. we'll see if you can spell the word. i couldn't. and harry enten puts me to the test next.

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an eighth grader from largo, florida, has won the 2023 national spelling bee. dev shah topped students from

all around the world. he's one of 11 finalists and became the champion in the 14th round with this winning word. >> p-s-a-m-m-o-p-h-i-l-e, psammophile. >> that is correct. >> that's incredible. sha took home the first prize and $50,000. harry enten joins me now with more on the competition and to test my spelling knowledge, which is abysmal. >> my spelling is abysmal too. in fact, that is the thing i want to admit on national tv is my spelling is abysmal. >> i understand you have some actual words you misspell. >> we do have some actual words. but first i want to just note that there are a lot of americans who think their spelling is above average. it turns that a little bit over 40% of americans believe that their spelling skills are above

average, which is bizarre to me. and a little bit more than 40% believe their spelling skills are about average. only about 10% believe that -- >> is that true really? >> -- are below average. >> wow. >> i go wait, a minute, wait a minute. shouldn't it be a third, a third, a third. >> my dad had terrible spelling skills and used to talk about it all the time. i think i inherited it. >> my father actually spelled quite well. he was good at english. i on the other hand barely speak it. >> was he good at english or well at english? >> i think it's good. >> i'm just kidding. >> as you mentioned, i have a little bit of a test for you, a quiz. >> i'm ready. >> there were two words that were -- towards the end of the competition last night. >> i'm not going to get them. >> i want to note you can't see them, though our audience at home can see them. >> you turned off the monitors i would normally be able to see. >> we don't want any cheating. no cheating in my classroom, anderson. >> the first word is devilly.

it's an adverb. i believe it means listlessly. i think there's a d in there. >> the obvious one. if it sounds like it should be d-e-v-i-l-l-y, but it's obviously not. so, i would say -- >> you went with d-e? >> yeah, i'll go for dechl e-v-a-l. >> it's d-a-v-i-e-l-y. >> what? d-a-v-i-e-l-y. >> i think you pronounced it wrong. >> i listened to tapes beforehand. i want to note this. i'm not a perfect pronouncer. >> what's the other one? >> the other one is a noun. it's a central american ant. >> now you're just -- >> now i'm just mixing it up. it's with a p, not a b. >> you just told me it's with a p, not a b. you're not supposed to tell me any of the letters. >> i don't think you're going to

get it anyway. >> i don't know if you're saying -- >> okay. >> listen to my -- >> k-e-l-e-d. >> say that again. >> k-a-l-e-d. >> yes, that's actually right. unbelievable. >> what are some of the top words that people rely on? >> right. so, if you go to google, right, one of the words that people like, how do you spell, blank. >> which i do all the time. >> right. which is what i do all the time. >> i've written a book and i can't tell you how many times i went to google like, how do you spell this. >> maybe you were one of the people who couldn't spell restaurant. >> i think i know how to spell restaurant. >> how about pneumonia? >> p-n-e-u -- i mean, pneumonia. >> it's impossible for me. >> p-n-e-u-m-o-n-i-a. >> yeah, i think that's -- that's close. we're going to give it to you.

we're going to give it to you. >> you think that's close. i appreciate -- they're telling me that is correct. >> that was correct. >> restaurant. that's easy. that's one of the most googled words? >> yeah. >> that's interesting. how many -- how many people tune in to this spelling bee? >> this, to me, is amazing because we've had our own spelling bee here, and it turns out it can quite entertaining. but last year, 3.7 million people tuned in. >> wow. >> 3.7 million. >> that's crazy. >> and what's amazing about that is game two of the stanley cup, which i know you definitely watch. >> sure, game two. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> also had 3.7 million. so, it's on the same level as some sports events. >> and i'm proud that i know stanley cup is hockey. >> way to go, buddy. congratulations. we did it. we did it, guys. >> harry enten, thanks. we'll be right back. b-a-c-k.

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