. you are bullying that boy. >> one of the most recognizable faces on daytime television. >> nobody tells me who to put on my show, including you. >> is calling it quits. but tonight before dr. phil leaves the studio, he is sitting down with us. >> dr. phil, welcome. >> to talk about the 20 years as on call doc. >> who do you get along with. >> and the arms of social media, dr. phil digs into america's growing mental health crisis, especially among teenagers . >> young people started watching people live their lives

instead of living their own lives. >> and later -- >> it's the tonight show with joe leno. >> joe leno's road to recovery after surviving a garage fire and a motorcycle crash. >> never thought of myself as a roast comic. >> who gives us the latest on his health. >> i got a new face and a new ear. >> can i see it? >> sure. >> in this coming age. >> stunning you are still alive. >> is that part of your super power? >> it is possible i may not see the end of the year. >> well, i don't know if mishandled. >> i'm a little pistol. it is what it is. >> good evening. and welcome back to who's talking. tonight we begin with a serious concern every parent faces, the impact of social media on their children's lives. a new advisory from the surgeon

general, dr. vavek murphy says spending time on social media is a quote risk of harm for kids. advisories from the surgeon general highlight issues. and he told cnn that is exactly what the country is dealing with, a youth mental health crisis. >> kids are spend ing more than 3 hours, they face double the increased risk of depression and anxiety symptoms. that's profound. and there are more concerning facets here, but what we have to understand from all of this is it is urgent we take action to protect our kids and make sure their experience on social media is safe. >> so tonight we turn to the most notable tv psychologists, dr. phil. >> you are ending your show this spring after 21 years on the air. and over all that time you have

either been the number one or the number two most watched show in daytime syndicated talk shows. so why stop now? >> well, you know, 21 years is a long time. and i have done the things that i have set out to do. and the first question i was ever asked was for a sales reel taken, what's this show going to be about? i said two things. i'm going to talk about things that matter to people who care. that was what i wanted to do. i said i wanted to deliver common sense, usable information, to people's homes every day for free. and talk about the silent epidemic, talk about the things that had such a stigma about them that you just didn't talk about them. and i really wanted to push mental illness to the forefront of the narrative in america. >> well, i want to pick up on that because you read studies

that say anxiety, stress, depression are bigger problems than ever, that teenage girls more than ever feel thoughts of suicide, of wanting to hurt themselves. what's going on? >> well, you know, everybody thinks that the pandemic is perhaps behind this, but that trend started in '09, '010. and the pandemic threw gas on the fire. '08, '09 is like a freighter across the u.s. that threw smartphones at everybody and people started watching people live their lives instead of living their own lives. and those lives they were watching were fantasies. and we compare our reality to other people's fantasy and by comparison we come away feeling worse about ourselves. >> let's talk about what you do. and we have an example from before you started your own show, a couple months before on

oprah and you were a guest. and you were talking to some folks. take a look. >> isn't this just a major power struggle going on here? >> of course it is. and the problem you get into, you couldn't be more right. it's a tug of war. it's actually a power struggle. and here is the thing i want you to understand, is when you get into a power struggle, what you have done is made your relationship a competition. >> right. >> and think about what that means. did you play sports ever? >> yes. >> what do you call the other side. >> opponents. >> so if you make an a competition, you have made your partner the opponent, the enemy. >> you say you don't -- that you are not acting there as a therapist, that on your show you act as a moderator. what's the difference? >> well, if you are using every guest as a teaching tool, you are hoping to give some general information that people can use

in their lives at home, people you don't know. and so you try to talk in generalities that people can say, all right, what he is saying to these people, the suggestions he is making are general enough that i can apply those to how i approach my children, my relationship with my in-laws, my relationship with my spouse, and in that example, for -- that's a good example of saying if i put these interactions in a win-lose situation, i'm really setting these people i care about up as opponents. and that's a lose-lose situation. i don't want to do that. so that's applicable to your kids, your work relationships, your in-laws. and that's where i say i'm trying to provide common sense information that people can use to enrich their lives every day. if i was doing it

therapeutically, i would have to do a set of psychometric tests. i would have to get information about everybody involved and take into account a lot of nuances that you don't have time to do in that kind of situation. so you have to stay much more general. >> you have had countless success stories over the years. one example, in 2017 a woman, a girl named bethany came on the show. she had committed a lot of crimes to feed her addiction. here she is on that show and then a year later. take a look. >> i work with law enforcement a lot. and you have confessed to a number of crimes here. you can either not do drugs in a treatment center or you cannot do drugs in jail. do you want to take this help? >> bethany is 9 months sober as

we sit here today. how do you feel? >> really good. >> yeah? you feel good physically as well? >> physically, mentally. >> is that basically what you do, cut through the bull and make the choice as stark as possible? >> depending on who you are talking to -- i think you meet people where they are. and if people are in the grips of a powerful addiction, you really have to get down to the nitty-gritty. you have to give them clear choices. >> let's talk about how phil mcgraw became who he is. you say the defining fact of your childhood was that your dad, joe, was an alcoholic and you describe your home life as a kid as chaos.

how bad was it? >> it could have been worse, but it was distinctly chaotic, no question about it. my dad was an animated alcoholic. he could get violent. he could get black-outdrunk and have no idea. there are a lot of days i would have to get up in the morning and go find the car, because he had no idea where he left the car. there were mornings -- and i say mornings because he wouldn't come home at night. he would come home in the middle of the night, at 3:00 in the morning and kick all the windows out of the house or kick the hood in the range in the kitchen and throw it through a picture window. >> what did that do to little

phil? i can't imagine a worse environment in which to grow up. >> well, i have never never had a drink. i think the last time i took a drink was a hot beer in a parking lot in my junior year of high school. that will break you from it. you know, i haven't had a drink -- you know, a real drink in, you know, 50, 60 years. i decided this is just not for me. >> your dad eventually stopped drinking and in fact decided to become a psychologist and studied for it, and he did. and then you ended up joining him in practice and my question is did the two of you ever work out what he put you through as a kid. >> i always tell everybody don't let the sunset on you without saying and doing what you need to say and do with

those people that you love because you never know how much longer they are going to be there. and i know he went to the cardiologist 1 day and came home. and i said "well, how did it go?" he said "don't buy me any green bananas. i will put it that way." he was funny in that way. "i don't think i have much longer in life." and we had the opportunity to say the things we needed to say to clear the air, or so i thought. and when it actually happens, the gravity of it overwhelms you and you say i wish i had one more day, even though we consciously made the intention to say things we wanted to say. and i will say in all the time we had -- and i guess he died when i was 42 -- not one time in my life did he say "i'm proud of

you." . >> never, even to the end. >> even to the end. he would brag about me to other people, but never to me. and so i learned sometimes you have to look yourself in the mirror and give yourself what you wish you get from other people. >> when we come back, we explore one of dr. phil's most controversial guests. and we get his take on convicted murder alex murdaugh. >> what was your read on him and did you have any doubt he was guilty? and later former late show host does what he does. when i ask him about being badly burned in a garage fire. >> what about your faith. >> he gave me a bag of them. and you can't tell. >> it doesn't look like foreskin.

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my name is joshua florence, and one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead. you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody. . dr. phil show has been a

staple of daytime tv for more than 20 years. throughout its run he has helped countless people facing personal problems and family crises. but he has also had some controversial moments. not surprisingly over the course of 21 years in a high-profile position, you have been involved in a few controversies. in 2016 you interviewed shelly duvall, who is obviously very mentally ill. and this is how it was promoted. take a look. >> i loved robin williams. >> where do you think he is? >> shape shifting. >> do you see him? >> half, yes. >> a star's decent into mental illness. >> the man who is threatening me is the sheriff of nottingham. i think there is a worrying disk inside me. i'm very sick. i need help. >> that's why i'm here. >> some folks said that you exploited her mental condition.

do you regret what you did there? >> oh, i don't regret what i did. i regret that it was promoted in a way that people thought was unbecoming. and there are parts of that story that i haven't talked about and won't talk about in specific, but i can say generally that we worked with her family. we worked with her for over a year off camera after that fact. and worked with her inpatient and outpatient. i can't tell you the extent we went to. and the people that were critical of it, nobody ever asked them what they ever did to try and help her. and the answer is not a

thing. >> you said without oprah, there would be no dr. phil. and after you left therapy, which you say you weren't that good at, you started a company called courtroom sciences inc., which helped big defendants with jury selection and mock trials at the time oprah was being sued by cattleman because she had done a show about mad cow disease. she won, and she gave you a lot of the credit for it. >> she 1 day interviewing a gentleman that studied this said "whoa, i'm not eating another burger." and cattle future on the chicago board of trade went down maybe for a few days. so they sued. and during amarillo.

we were on the team and we defended her behind lines, 85% people direct from the beef industry. and they were suing for multibillion dollars. and she ultimately made a terrific witness , and we mock tried the case and studied the case, and got to the point where we could tell the truth effectively and were able to win the case up there and ultimately oprah said "i have always promised my viewers that anything i found that really impacted my life that i considered a value, i would share it with them, whether it was a hair drier or book or person. and i want to share with you dr. phil. so she brought me on the show and it kind of all started from there. and the rest was history. >> you did several shows this year about the alex murdaugh trial on trial and convicted for

killing his wife and his son. what was your read on him? and do you have any doubt that he was guilty? >> i don't have any doubt that he was guilty. i think that he is -- i do think he was a serious drug addict and i think he suffered serious changes to his brain that led to some real poor judgment and zero impulse control on his part. when you think about -- people have a hard time going to that part of the behavioral continuum. but when you think about what it would take to actually go shoot your child in the head twice,

you know, shoot them twice, shoot them in the head, let alone your wife, let alone your child for any reason whatsoever, let alone the thin mote ive to distract from his financial crimes, you have to really be way out at the end of that evil continuum. >> would you if you were still on the jury consulting and trial strategy business, what would you have said to him about taking the stand? >> don't. don't take the stand, because, you know, in terms of deception detection, which i have spent a lot of my career studying and being involved with, you can't control all of the different tells when somebody is lying. and it's like playing whack a

mole. you got blink rate and pupil dilation and body language and choices of words and things, and he was just screaming deception from the first night he was talking to law enforcement until he was on the witness stand, and anyone that's trained at all and those with reasonable instincts can tell he was lying. and i think he took it out of desperation. i think they thought once he was found to be on the videotape , the audiotape. >> that he had been at the site. >> and lied about it, they thought we are dead in the water, so we have to swing for the fences and hope we can connect with one juror and hang this up. >> i want to finish talking about your future, after 21 years you are going to be the daytime show is going to be ending and i know a lot of people are going to miss it. but you have a prime time

partnership with cbs. can you give us any idea, preview, of the kind of thing you are going to be doing now? >> chris, i'm very concerned where this country is headed. i watch a lot of the things that are going on right now from a psycho social standpoint. i see the deviciveness in this country. i see a lot of the things that are happening at the educational level, at the social level. i think a lot of the woke things that are -- agendas that are being pushed, a lot of things that are happening on the extreme right. i just think common sense is not common enough anymore. and i'm going to talk about those things and i'm going to start talking about it in january of '24. >> and any idea how you are going to do this, make it into a tv show? the subject is going to be great. >> i'm going to tell it through

the eyes of the people impacted by it. i want to continue to talk to real people. if i talk about homelessness, for example, i want to talk to homeless people. i want to talk to people that are impacted by homeless people, their businesses are disrupted by it. i want to talk to the mentally ill that are homeless and i want to talk to the people that are worried that we are calling them the "homeless" instead of people experiencing homelessness. and i get both sides on it. but too bad. i'm going to continue to give both sides a platform to talk about their points of view. >> up next, we go from one tv ledgened to another. late night star joe leno and late night tv interview suffering several injuries in two major accidents which kept delays our conversation. >> did you finally decide that talking to me was less painful

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. it's the tonight show with jalen know. >> jalen know ruled late night television for more than 2 decades. >> thank you. what a crowd tonight. >> known for his brash monologues. >> oh, i'm way off base. shut up. what's this thing with trump and you. >> and unforgettable question. >> what the held were you thinking. >> leno shifted gear from comedy to car. but his passion for hot wheels hasn't come without risk. >> jalen know is in the hospital tonight being treated for serious burns to his face and hands. >> and a garage fire and severe motorcycle accident in just the last few months. now he talks about his road to

recovery and return to the comedy stage. >> return as a roasted comic. >> jalen know, welcome. it is great to see you again. >> yes, you too, you too. >> and i looked forward to this. >> me too. things kept happening and we kept putting this off, so i apologize. >> we didn't put it off. here is what happened. we had a devil of a time getting you to this table because in november you were all set. you got caught in a garage fire. >> got set on fire. that's right. >> and january of all excuses, incidentally, in january we are all set and you have a motorcycle accident. >> 72-year-old guy driving an 83-year-old motorcycle. what can go wrong there, really. it doesn't seem possible. >> so here is the question. >> yes, sir. >> why are you here? did you finally decide talking to me was less painful than setting yourself on fire? >> i think that's a good answer. when you have one accident, oh, you get all the condolences. nd then two, you are harrison

ford crashing airplanes. accident prone leno, i had two accidents, all right, fairly short time. you know how it works. >> so seriously, i want a medical update. after the garage fire, which was serious. >> all right. >> you said you got a new face and a new ear. what does that mean? >> well, that means i got a new face and a new ear. ear is -- when you catch fire, there is no bone. ear is like paper. they go up. so they make you a new one and -- >> can i see it? >> sure. >> can i see the other one? they look the same. >> yeah. i had a very good doctor. >> what's this made of? >> it's artificial skin, i think it is. >> really? >> yeah, yeah. >> and what about your face? >> well, people think that the skin grafts are expensive. i have a friend who is an moyle and he gave me a bag of them. you can't tell. it must be 50, 60 --

>> it doesn't look like foreskin. >> when i get excited -- >> walked right into that one. >> whole face tightens up. >> so then you decided what can go wrong? i'm going motorcycle riding. >> i always rode motorcycles. >> and you crash. you can talk about it. pretty good excuse. you get a broken collarbone. >> right. >> two broken ribs and two cracked kneecaps. >> right. >> are you healed? >> it's only a couple months ago, so you still have a little bit. but at least it was a motorcycle. if i slipped in my pat boone bathtub, that would be -- but a motorcycle, i have a 1940 indian. so you got a little bit of street cred. >> so in 2014 you barely finished the tonight show and you of course launch a new show,

jay leno's garage. >> i started on youtube in 2006. it's still on. we do 52 shows a year. and the cnbc show was more celebrity oriented, things of that nature. >> be that as it may, here are some clips from over the years. >> take a look. >> do you want to crush something. >> i love to crush. what do you want to crush? >> the bat mobile, we can't give you specifics. i can tell you this. it has a bad engine, bad tires, bad brakes. >> these are the turn signals. >> well, that seems more than safe. >> actually we hit it quick. look at that. >> goes good. >> goes good , we just laid rubber. >> let me know when you do it and i will bang my head again. >> so how unhappy when you go out for a ride with the

president of the united states and he is driving himself? >> they don't fool around. slow him down, bob. we were at the secret service training facility. it looked like public streets. it is public streets and everything, except it's not public. it's where they teach them defensive driving and all that. we were going pretty quick. when we -- you know, biden got a corvette in '67. he still has it. and i think he hit 128. we hit 128 miles an hour in a 50-year-old car and with the president of the united states. that's funny. >> the corvette, that's where he was hiding his secret documents. >> exactly. >> did you come away with any secret documents? >> there was a funny meem with documents flying. >> and then you drove with bob riggle and thankfully this didn't happen with joe biden.

>> right. . >> dam it. are you all right? >> what's your name. >> bob riggle. >> how old are you. >> 80. >> what track are you on? >> my name is bob riggle. >> the trick to that is when drunks get in an accident, they don't get hurt because they are loose. most people will tighten up like this so when you hit something, things break. i just let myself go. i was strapped in, so my hands -- i was fine. if you don't panic and -- >> who would panic when your car is -- here is the question.

one, were you supposed to roll over? >> no, you are not supposed to roll over. we totaled the car. >> so how many times did you roll over? >> whatever it is there, i don't know, three, four times, something like that. >> was there any point in the middle of that process that you thought this is not a good idea. >> no, i thought this is going to be great for ratings. >> did you really think that. >> i did think that. that's why i did the joke at the end. my name is -- my name is bob riggle and i'm -- yeah, that was kind of fun. >> you come off as a regular guy, but you have been fabulously successful an d

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>> i'm sleeping, and i hear let me show you the main bedroom in here. this woman goes there's a naked man! i said sorry, put my pants on and sneak out the door. but you know, i didn't break anything or ruin anything. >> okay. you were just squatting. >> squatting, yeah, exactly. >> by 1977, you are successful enough that you get your first gig on the tonight show with johnny carson. >> right. >> and here it is. >> oh, yeah. >> those big mobile homes people drive around, do not understand why anybody would buy a mobile home. imagine saying i'm taking the house to get a pack of cigarettes, i don't you wait here. >> as i understand it for comedians, the key was not to

make the audience laugh. the key was to make johnny carson laugh. and take a look at this because after your bit, johnny calls you over to shake hands, which he didn't do most of the time. >> right, right. >> how big a deal was that? >> oh, it's a huge deal. it's funny. now, back in the day i would say easily a third of all the televisions are on, or even half after 11:30 were watching johnny carson. now you're competing with the lord of the rings trilogy. you can watch all three god father movies back to back, streaming. it's a little different. when you're on tv in those days, everybody saw you. nowadays you'd have to do 10, 11 late night appearances just to reach the same amount of people. >> and then you get the tonight show, and this begins

the tonight show saga about you and david letterman and who's going to get the job and you get picked over him. i don't want to go through all of it, but what do you want us to understand about all of that? >> well, there are people that think i somehow stole the show from dave. johnny did want dave to do the show. i started guest hosting in 86, and i guest hosted for five years. i was the only guest host. the reason i got the get guest host, this is why i didn't have an agent. i had an agent call me, and there were six or seven other comedians rotating guest hosts all handled by the same manager. that manager said we'd like to handle you too. i said well, i'm okay. he goes we'll be asking $25,000 a show to host. we can get that for you. i said i'm doing it for $512 which is scale. i said you know something?

i'll keep doing it for $512. because i knew johnny owned the show. and when you had guest hosts, the ratings were pretty close to the same. by the end of the month, well, let's see, we spent $100,000, we could get this guy for $512. that's how i became the permanent guest host. i think it was basically an economic decision. >> on the july 10th of 1995, you have hugh grant as a guest, and this is just after he was arrested for picking up a sex worker. this is the moment. >> let me start with question number one. what the hell were you thinking? [ laughter ] >> as someone who asks questions for a living. >> yeah. >> how did you come up with that? it's just perfect? >> just off the top of my

head. >> really? >> yeah. you know, he was great. nowadays you'd have a hundred handlers. i called him up and said are you still in for tomorrow? he said yeah. he said i effed up, it's my fault. i said i have to ask you a question, he said i get it. he was great. he showed up, didn't have a publicist, none of that nonsense, and he was honest about it. >> then in 2009, all planned, conan replaces you. nbc puts you on at five nights a week at 10:00 p.m. which turns out to be a terrible idea, and within eight months, conan is out, you're back on, and you're the villain again. >> to me it's like any athletic event. you have two teams or two boxers. you can still be friends and punch each other in the face.

but you know, i let them just, everybody attacked me and you're the villain. so i just let it play out, and all the other talk show hosts had a great time with it. i was a villain, a bad guy. that's fine. it's a classic case of don't believe the good stuff or the bad stuff. >> when you were on the tonight show, you famously banked the money and lived off what you were making on the stand up comedy circuit. >> right. >> which has led to something of a speculation on the internet about how much you're worth, and it seems the over/under is half a billion dollars. >> yeah, yeah, that's real close, yeah. >> you're saying you're worth over? >> no, under, under, under! please! >> are you in the neighborhood? >> i'm still using happy meal coupons! when i'm on the road, i live like a road comic. it is funny when you have depression era parents because

you just live in this world of if i don't make money this week, oh, i don't have any money, you know? when i got the tonight show, i lived on the comedian money and banked the tv money. and suddenly forbes has leno's brilliant economic strategy. no, i'm dyslexic. my attitude is my money relaxes and i work. it's fine, don't worry about it. i'll just keep throwing money on the pile. that was my economic plan. >> finally. >> yeah. >> at age 73, you strike me as somebody who can't and won't retire. >> well, i'm sure whiff my stroke i'll retire. >> i mean, you know, still i'm hoping you'll survive. >> if you like doing something, it's fun to do. and at this age, they're stunned you're still alive. they're like he might be dead in a year, he's playing at

this club, let's go see him. >> and that helps. >> yeah! >> you get a lot of let's see him before he goes! >> you get a lot of you're the legend, the late night. but a lot of young people, guys, mens and women in their 30s and 40s that grew up watching me on the tonight show with their dad and grandparents. when you host that show, you just think you're awful. you think everybody hates you. especially when all that stuff was going on. howard stern and everyone just pounding you. but then you find out there are people that actually liked it and enjoyed it. >> it seemed to have work. jay, thank you. do me a favor and be careful on the way out. we'll escort you to the door, and then you're on your own. >> well, thank you very much! up next, a big reveal from

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finally tonight, oscar winning director quentin tarantino is sharing details about his tenth and apparently last movie. the controversial film maker behind cult classics like pulp fiction recently said it will be called the movie critic. the story line takes place in late 70s los angeles, and it's based on the real life story of a movie critic for a pornographic magazine. last fall tarantino told me why he's wrapping up his directing career while still at the top of his game. you say that your next movie, your tenth, is going to be your last? >> yes. >> why? you're making great movies? >> well, thank you. i've been doing it for a long time. i've been doing it for 30 years, and, um, it's, it's

time to wrap up the show. you know? i've done it, i've given, i've given my whole life to it, you know? i didn't start a family until late in life. i've always kind of equated, if you're doing movies on, you know, on the level i've been doing, actually the level i've been allowed to do, it's, i equate it to mountain climbing. so this movie is my mount everest and this movie is fuji, and i spent all that time on the mountain. i'm, you know, like i said, i'm an entertainer, i want to leave you wanting more and not just work. i don't want to work to diminishing returns. i don't want to be, i don't want to become this old man that's out of touch, and i'm already kind of feeling that way when it comes to the current movies out right now. right now i don't even know

what a movie is it. is it something that plays on netflix or amazon and you watch it on your couch with your wife or husband? because my last movie opened up in 3,000 theaters and played all over the world for a couple of months. now, the thing is, i don't have the answer to that question, but i don't think anybody else does either. i think it remains to be seen kind of situation. so by that time i'll know what movies even are a few years from now. >> thank you for watching. catch my full interviews with tarantino as well as with dr. phil and jay leno any time you want on max. and join us here on cnn every friday night to find out who's talking next. welcome to our viewers watching here in the united states