the breaking news this morning. the lawyers for former president donald trump are meeting with the justice department right now and what that could mean for the

former president. fragments and debris and a huge crash in va irginia and wh fighter jets were scrambling to shoot it down. and why drones are armed for ukraine against russia. and widespread layoffs and allegation, and what former senators are scrutinizing. this is cnn "news central." so, the breaking news that lawyers for former president donald trump have been seen going into the department of justice, and you might remember that trump's attorneys have been seen going in to talk to

attorney general merrick garland's office to discuss documents found at mar-a-lago. evan, is this meeting still taking place? >> it is still taking place as far as we can tell, john. we have not seen the trump attorneys leave the building. there is only one way in and out of visitors, and we are sitting there waiting for what you might say when they exit. this is a meeting that the trump lawyers requested for him. and with the attorney general merrick garland and no sign that merrick garland is actually meeting with him at this moment, and any sign that we are meeting at the general deputy lisa monaco, and literally for the justice department and this investigation in the hands of jack smith, the special counsel, and that they might have to

accommodate a career official at the justice department who can at least hear this letter they wrote, and that there is prosecutorial misconduct, and they did not specify what that prosecutorial misconduct is, and that president has been treated like anyone in the history of the presidency, and that is partly what the beef is and what they want to try to bring across in this meeting today. now, again, we don't know the specifics of that alleged misconduct that they are making or claiming, but we do know that one of the things that they are very unhappy with is that jack smith and the prosecutors have obtained a trove of information of attorney/client information, and information that is normally shielded from investigators, and they got that because the judge determined that this there was an exception under fraud that

obtained that evidence of exactly what this meeting is going to go, and who exactly they are meeting with, and what they want is to lay some claims about the way this investigation is ongoing. john? >> and question on the timing here, because you and others reporting that the grand jury that is hearing testimony about this is going to be back meeting again now for the first time in some time. what does that tell you? >> right, exactly. the context and the crucial timing is very important here. all signs indicate in the closing stages that it could mean a number of things that the grand jury which has not been seen at the courthouse in early may is going to have the grand jury that has not met in weeks

to bring an indictment, and there is a number of possibilities that this grand jury could be come back for and obviously we know that jack smith is holding the cards close to the vest, and that is why this meeting is so important from the trump perspective, because if they want to try to get to somebody inside of this building to try to say that there should be a pause, something should be done, then we will be need to find out. >> and when we are looking to find a meeting to find out if anybody is trying to find out what is the nature of the meeting behind closed doors? >> first of all, the dynamic that you have to keep in mind

here is the prosecutor behind closed doors and the gaps of any evidentiary gaps and what witnesses there have been and who is cooperating and who is not, and largely if they can outline what are the potential statutes that are implicated by the conduct they are investigating and so when they are holding the bulk of the cards, it is not just a meeting of magnanimous gesture, and i don't want to make that claim, but it is somebody who has the intention as a prosecutor to be closed mouthed, and not to be as forth coming in the courtroom or the trial because the other side has the outcome to go out to spend, and this is the track record here, and the idea of the misconduct is a huge allegation, and huge claim to level against any prosecutor and particularly the department of justice to go

to great lengths to jack smith to have the inproprietary between trump and his team and the attorney general merrick garland. what to keep in mind is the power dynamic, and what evan pointed out, a little kudos to be given to the process here, because grand juries are supposed to be secret and a little bit supposed to be in the dark here, and we are to be wondering, john, because it is more fairness for the defendant or the potential target. if we know everything, and the court of public opinion can undermine the ability to get a fair trial and fair jury impanels, and if that were to ever get there. >> base on everything that we do know, and what you are correctly pointing out, that is limited what we know, where do you see things right now? >> well, this is first of all, this is talking about the attorneys wanting to come in, and we have the reporting from coming in, and the excellent reporting from our own colleagues about the nature of

the documents viewed or disclosed or wanting to be disclosed, and the statements before our own town hall with our own kaitlan collins that he had documents and had every right to do so, and that he did not believe that he had the ability to show them whenever he wanted to, and the culmination of the long time, and the prosecution is what he is looking at, we are nearing towards the end of the investigation cycle. keep in mind though as well as this, we are, you know, over 500 days away from the presidential election, and internally, the department of justice has the eyes on the novelty of this entire investigation against a former president, and one who wants to have the rnc nomination again, and reported front-runner that very race, and so they know there are time constraints of when they can launch

investigations, and launch prose prosecutions, because they do not want to be seen as interfering with an election, and so the time line is shrunk for that reason, and given the fact that they have all of this information and if intent is all they were waiting for, the reporting has come in and seems to draw a clear line that they know what it is. >> laura coates, such important context, and thank you for laying that all out for us clearly. thank you. thank you, john. kristen holmes is going to be joining us now in washington, d.c., and she has been following this case, and obviously, talking with those surrounding donald trump, and have you heard anything from them since we have found out that they are, their lawyers are meeting with the doj? >> well, sara, we haven't had an official comment from the trump campaign, however, i did speak with two advisers on the background information on what exactly they are asking for, and you have heard evan asking for

this being prosecutorial misconduct, and so, when i asked what this overreach was, they believe they have some evidence here, and the other thing that i am told by another adviser they are planning to argue is the best thing is to close this case before the election, and essentially alleging that this is going to lead to election interference, and this is what we have heard from former president trump, and a preview of what he could say if he loses the primary as i have heard from the advisers and they believe that the republican primary field is going to be completely set by the end of the week and almost set, and that the election has begun, and something they argue, and it will interfere into the election, and where their brains are right now. >> as this is going closer and closer for the primaries, they are going to give you that

argument, but any indication of exactly what they are talking to the doj about, and you said prosecutorial misconduct, and overreach, and any specifics? not even one? >> not even one specific, and i have asked routinely what they believe is prosecutorial misconduct as well as details into what they are saying is overreach, and what kind of examples they have, and again, i have not heard back on anything specific as to what they believe this overreach was. >> i am sure we will be hearing from somebody in this case after the meeting and we appreciate your time, kristen holmes, for your reporting. and now, we are hearing that ukraine has a network of secret agents working inside of russia, and helping to sabotage the russian forces, and ukraine is saying that they are arming agents with drones, and the u.s. officials belief that the pro ukrainian agents inside of russia may have been behind the drone attack in moscow earlier

last month. joining ging us for more on thd with more on this is senator chris van hollen is the ukrainian forces arming agents inside of russia with drones and could that be a good strategy? >> i will have to get more details on this, and president biden is clear that as we get more information on ukraine fighting the aggression of russia, and more specifically training pilots on the f-16s our rules of the road is that they

cannot use that u.s. military equipment on offensive operations inside of russia. but of course, that is not going to constrain ukraine to do what is best with their own resources. so, in terms of the u.s. participation though, we have made it very clear that those weapons cannot be used, again, inside of russia. >> the idea more broadly of ukraine kind of taking fight to russian territory, it has been a source of concern all along from the biden administration, as you have noted to be it from u.s. weapons or others, it is going to lead to the war escalating, and to the war drawing united states potentially into it further, and do you see it happening here? i mean, we are seeing a definite uptick in attacks on russian soil. >> well, a couple of things. first of all, as you know, president zelenskyy and the ukrainians are going to soon

mount their spring offensive. president zelenskyy announced it the other day, and that is of course to reclaim the territory that russia has taken within ukraine. look, the ukrainian people are taking direct hits on the soil everyday including bombing on kyiv and other civilian targets, and war crimes being committed against them. so i think that it is a lot to ask them not to use, to be able to use their own resources to take some of the actions in russia, if in fact, that is what is happening here as the reporting you cited suggests. but again, i do support the president's clear distinction here between what ukraine does with its own resources and what they do with the u.s.-supplied weapons. >> absolutely. let me ask you with this new video that the pentagon has released, and the pentagon is speaking out in releasing the new video and slamming china

right now, and the chinese military ship is being seen cutting off a u.s. navy destroyer in the taiwan strait coming within the reports are within 150 yards of the u.s. ship and forcing navy destroyer to abruptly slow down to avoid a collision. it is no secret that u.s./china relations are at a historic low, and how do you see this given this kind of contextt? >> well, kate, it is another provocative action taken by china, and a series of provocative actions, and here we are conducting joint exercises with our canadian partners and the united states has been very clear that we do not seek conflict with china, and we are equally clear that we will defend our rights, and the rights of our partner in the region when it is coming to a free and open pacific. meaning freedom of navigation,

making sure that our ships can continue to conduct themselves in accordance with the international rules. so, it is china that has been provoking in this case, and the united states has tried to reach out to have talks at the secretary of defense level with china and so at least we have a hotline to reduce the chances of accidental conflict. so far, china has rebuffed those efforts. >> along that vein, i wanted to ask you, jake sullivan said that biden is going to meet with xi jinping at some point, and would you advice the president to have that meeting sooner than later or do you think that the meeting should be held off? >> no, i think that it is important that we engage in the dialogue with china, and that the president should meet with

president xi at the time that they can arrange, but we should also be trying to have this dialogue at lower levels, and still high levels when you are dealing with the secretary of defense. we want to make it clear to our friends and allies, we are not seeking conflict here, and we are trying to de-escalate, and we are trying to make sure that there are hotlines in the event of accidental engagements that they don't escalate into full blown conflict. and the fact that china has rejected those efforts, obviously, it is a concerning sign. i think that we should meet jake sullivan and he has met with the counterparts, and secretary yellen has been engaged with economic conversations, and we have been very clear in the united states that we are not trying to decouple our economy from china, and we want to

de-risk it, and diversify -- our supply chains, and we want to diversify our manufacturing of semiconductors to other places, because they could use it in the wartime supply chain. >> thank you. and now, there is a search continuing for two missing. and now, the suspect in the disappearance of natalee holloway on video. and also, candidate tim scott is on "the view" and he responds to joy behar that he does notot understand system si racism. save 50% on the sleep number lilimited edition smart bed.

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new york, and the plane never landed and instead, it turned around and headed in a southwest direction and then at 3:05 flew over d.c. restricted air space. that prompted the u.s. capitol police to place the capitol complex on elevated alert. the officials tried, but unable to make contact with the pilot. the f-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the jet. the u.s. officials authorized them to travel at supersonic speeds and that was felt across washington, d.c., and beyond. you can see the sweet dog reacting to that, because it was very loud, and according to the officials the f-16s reached the cessna at 3:16 p.m., and they set off flares to get the pilot's attention, but they could not make contact with the

plane, and the cessna crashed in a national forest in staunton, virginia. that sound was very loud and scared a lot of people, pete muntean, and what do you know? >> people from leesberg, virginia, and people heard about it, and tweeted about it, and we went to work to figure out how these two incidents are connected. we have new reporting that shows a really frantic effort by the air traffic control, by these fighter jets and even other civilian airplanes in the area to try and raise this unresponsive flight crew aboard the cessna citation jet radioing and saying, hey, if you can hear us, come up on the frequency, and the fighter jet said, this is a armed fighter jet, and if you can hear us, come up to this frequency, and that led to the sonic boom from atlantic city and andrews to come up to catch

up with that cessna jet going 400 miles per hour, but what is so disturbing is that the crew was unresponsive and the three others on board, and that is alarming new details and underscoring that all of the signs are pointing to rapid decompression on board, and similar to the payne stewart incident in 1999 which killed that pro golfer, and others on the learjet. the ntsb is investigating and they it i they say it is a five-mile hike to get to the jet. very few remains of the plane and a large crater according to the scene there, and the air is pressured on this plane, and meaning that it is compressed to be breathable more so than the thin air that is outside. just like on a commercial airliner, but if that sacred

pressure vessel is compromised of any way, if there is a door left open or a leak or some other problem, that could cause the whoosh of air out of the airplane and make the air not breathable. it is so dangerous, and pilots have 30 to 60 seconds to respond at this altitude which is 34,000 feet, and they have to do it quickly and put on the oxygen masks, or you will see an outcome like this, but it is up to the ntsb to determine the true cause of this accident. >> pete muntean, we know that you will be following accident. thank you for the new details. appreciate it. kate? >> 275 people dead and there is a massive outrage of how a train crash could have happened. that next. and continuing the follow the breaking news as lawyers for former president donald trump are meeting with justice department officials right now over the concerns they say they have over the prosecutorial

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we have just learned that mike pence has just filed his paperwork for president of the united states. so david chalian, we have just learned that mike pence is in the race. the significance of this significance of the former vp running against the former presi president. >> yes, the former running mate running against the former president. and yes, filing the paperwork where you make a statement of candidacy and declare the campaign open for business. yes, he'll give the speech in iowa as we had previously reported on wednesday to make the formal splashy announcement, and he had been appearing on a town hall with dana bash, and

look at what mike pence has been doing in recent weeks. he is clearing away some of the baggage, cobwebs from the trump administration, and he testified with the special counsel as it relates to donald trump's, the investigation of donald trump's activities in and around the 6th of january and the insurrection of the capitol and reported last week on cnn, john, that the department of justice is not going to be pursuing any charges in the pence classified document case. and now, he has to carve out a lane that his former running mate, and the president in which he served is a leader in the race, and mike pence is in the next tier, so you will see him, i believe sort of plant himself in iowa and make an appeal to the largely evangelical base of

the caucus to make some inroads to where the republican electorate currently stands in the polls. >> david, one notable factor of the timing of when this paperwork was filed. his former running mate, donald j. trump has lawyers at the department of justice right now arguing basically not to charge donald trump in connection with the classified documents found at mar-a-lago, and so mike pence is entering race at the moment that trump's lawyers are arguing not to be charged with some sort of violation. also, chris christie. explain how this is going together. >> it is like you are watching two different versions of the 2024 race. and all of this inextricably connected. we have heard all of the bluster

from trump's legal team and that is a different posture behind closed doors as they are meeting with the justice department lawyers to see where they are going, and to perhaps persuade an argument here to decline to charge the former president which is of course the first time that we would ever see a president being charged with federal crimes here, john. so donald trump is on a different course here. now, we are seeing a crowded growing republican field, and with chris christie getting in, and less known north dakota governor doug bergham getting in, and now, lesser known folks than trump getting in is getting far more intense and growing here. and i would note that the pence candidacy in and of itself is going to be so interesting to watch, because for four years, john, he was a loyal lieutenant to donald trump, and i mean n full defense of everything that went on through the trump

administration of those four years, and on the 6 oth th of jy and thereafter that their relationship fell apart completely, because pence did not go along with the scheme that donald trump and the allies were trying to go forward with denying a rightful election, and pence said a bridge too far, and now he has to look at look that i was part of the trump administration, but i am not a part of it, and where does he go to find those voters. >> and now, talking about a possible criminal prosecution, and david chalian, thank you. we will be speaking to you soon, and a reminder that we will be part of the town hall with the

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outside of a prison there to be headed back to the states to temporarily be facing charges in the disappearance of natalee holloway and will be returned to finish his term. what can we expect, jean casarez? >> it all began in the cover of darkness in the early morning of saturday. cnn espanole got exclusive access inside of that maximum security prison when he was ready to leave. as you can see from the video, he was taken out of the cell in the early morning hours. he was shackled, and his hands were cuffed and he was ultimately led to the second part of all of this which was the medical screening. a doctor actually took his blood pressure and checked his heart. there they are transporting him ultimately after signing paperwork. he was going into that area

where he was ultimately transferred. now they drove from the southernmost tip of peru, and very remote area of that prison to lima, and now he is ready, they say, the head of the prisons says that he is ready and safeguarded for then to be transferred to the interpool, the government agency, that will take him to the airport, the airplane to the united states to face extradition and wire fraud charges because he stepped forward in 2010 saying that i will take the reward of $250,000 because i need a big cash down payment, but i will show you where the remains are, and he said that he did that, and then he ultimately lied to them once the family representative went to purreru to find out exactly t happened. >> thank you, jean. we will find out whahat happens we will be r right back.

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so new comments from south carolina senator and presidential tim scott. he appeared on "the view" responding to comments from host joyce behar who compared scott to clarence thomas. this is how senator scott responded earlier. >> one of the things i think about and why i'm on the show is because of comments made on this show is that for the only way for a young african american kid is to be the exception not the

rule. that's a dangerous message to send, is that the only way to succeed is by being the exception. if my life is the exception -- >> it is. >> it's not actually. the fact is we've had an african american president, african american vice president, two secretaries of state. in my home city the police chief is an african american running for mayor. the head of the highway patrol for -- >> still a -- >> in 1975 there was about 15% of unemployment for african americans, it's under 5% today. >> 40% of homelessness -- >> you asked the question. i watched you on the show. you like people to be respectful and i'll do the same thing. >> that is true. >> the fact of matter is that

success is palatable. >> senator scott was eager to bring his message to "the view" which is seen to some on the right as hostile territory. >> he's been engaged in this fight since joy behar made the comments. she wasn't there when tim scott came to the table. he was advertising this week in iowa telling folks he needed to go and sit there and take his case directly to what you say is opposition territory. the reality is this is a good opportunity for tim scott. he's been fund-raising off this back and forth. it gets him on a popular daytime show, not traditionally where republican candidates are making an appearance. that benefits him. i'm sure he'll take this clip and others and continue to raise

small dollar donors off it. that will benefit him too. it's a no lose situation. he felt totally confident in his own message to take it to these women on the show. >> david, great to see you. thank you very much. twitter is under scrutiny from four senators who question whether the social media giant is complying with consumer protection laws. there have been sweeping la layoffs, resignations under elon musk's ownership. this inquiry could highlight major legal risks for twitter and potentially elon musk. brian fung is joining us now. >> the big question is whether twitter has the staff to employee its legal obligations. twitter signed two consent agreements with the ftc

committing to a bunch of things, including it would do a privacy impact assessment before it rolled out any new features. when they rolled out their new subscription plan, twitter blue, did it perform a privacy assessment? senators want to know whether the company met its data breach notification obligations. if the company suffers a data breach, the company has to tell the u.s. government within a certain amount of time it doesn't have the staff to do that. another reporting obligation is the company has to tell the government any time it changes a form of structure. when elon musk bought the company, did twitter file the paperwork telling the ftc, hey, we've undergone this massive change. that's not clear whether or not that's happened. all of these questions, sara,

are all about how twitter gutted much of its staff and, if twitter has not complied with its obligations, legal experts say that could mean billions of fines for twitter and potentially legal exposure for musk himself. >> when you look at how much you pay for a company, a lot of people looking at that saying it was way, way over what it was worth. what impact might this have on the ceo who is going to be starting or has already started? >> reporter: "the new york times" is reporting that linda yaccarino has started at twitter today. cnn has not independently confirmed that. she would be on the hook for any future violations of these consent agreements if they're found and proven. >> brian fung, thank you for your reporting there.

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