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good evening. tonight on "360" exclusive new reporting on a flood at mar-a-lago in the room where surveillance video logs were kept. today the former president's lawyers meet with the special counsel and an indictment decision could come any day. also tonight, mike pence enters the race. we'll tell you who else just decided to stay out and who might be getting in next. and an f-16 sonic boom was only the first sonic trouble. new details about what fighter pilot did to get the attention of an unresponsive pilot before his private jet crashed in virginia. new information just in. we begin with exclusive new reporting on an unreported episode of the mar-a-lago documents case. it comes as attorneys for the former president met today with justice department officials and signs indicate it could be in the final stages. walk us through this exclusive reporting about mar-a-lago. >> okay. it's a bit of a bizarre story. so, bear with me. but it was in last october, we were told that this maintenance

worker at mar-a-lago drained the pool. and when they drained the pool, it caused a flood that flooded this room that we are told has the computer servers, which store the surveillance footage on them. that's important because we know prosecutors have been looking at the surveillance footage from mar-a-lago. they've subpoenaed it several times. they have requested that they preserve records several times. what we don't know is whether or not this was an intentional flooding or if it was genuinely a mistake. but the maintenance worker, who was the one who drained the pool in october, which is the busy season at mar-a-lago, i should note, is someone who has caught the eye of the prosecutors here. they've seized his phone. they've talked to him. he's someone who is seen on surveillance footage that they have moving boxes at mar-a-lago. we don't know exactly which boxes, but he was moving boxes with another trump aide. when it comes to whether or not the role that he played here, they have a lot of questions about this because we are told that someone has testified to these prosecutors that nothing

was damaged when this flood happened in this room where these servers are stored that kept the surveillance footage. but they view it as suspicious, and they've been asking witnesses about it and raising questions about it. and of course they're investigating whether or not there was any obstruction in their investigation. so, i think it's just an odd instance that raises a lot of questions. >> yeah. certainly. has all the video been handed over that was on the servers? do we know? >> we know a lot of it has been given over. but they have been raising questions, what we're told. we learned so much of what investigators are asking people. they've interviewed everyone, i'm told. they were asked about gaps in surveillance footage. we know they've had questions for the security guys who were running and in charge of the security footage. there have been questions among that nature of what exactly was turned over. trump attorneys have said that everything has been turned over. this was technically up to the trump organization that got these subpoenas. it still raises a lot of

questions given what we've seen play out. >> what do we know about the meeting between trump's lawyers and the justice department today. >> that was today. i'm told jack smith, the special counsel, who is investigating the classified documents and january 6th, was in that meeting. they requested a meeting from the trump side attorney general merrick garland. they wrote him a letter. they allege there was some prosecutorial misconduct here. they didn't really say what. it was pretty broad strokes. we know obviously though, typically before someone is indicted, their attorneys would like to meet with them. that's not what we're told is the content of this meeting today. i think it was raising questions about the special counsel's investigation. they had broad complaints, fog had really specific about how this has been handled. but they were inside the justice department for about 90 minutes today. i think what's most telling is what trump was saying after. he was posting why should he be cha charged when no other presidents have been charged. we don't know that they told him he was going to be charged or anything, but he was certainly referencing. >> i know you're going to be

anchoring at 9:00. you've got john bolton on the program, worked on the trump administration. we'll watch for that. to get a better sense of what goes on in these meetings and what goes into decisions on indictments, we're joined by andrew mccabe. what likely happens in a meeting like this between trump's attorneys and doj officials? >> sure. so, anderson, it's good to also know that avoiding getting your client indicted is every defense attorney's first and biggest goal. so, the last ditch effort to try to avoid an indictment is usually a meeting along these lines. the defense attorneys request to come in and basically explain to doj why an indictment would be a bad idea. it's a bit of a hail mary pass like you would see at the end of a football game. one last ditch effort to avoid disaster. what happens is the attorneys come in, and they say -- you know, they'll make an argument that, you know, the case is weak, that it shouldn't go forward. they have compelling evidence of innocence. and they'll usually argue some

level of it would be unfair to go forward against their client if justice were to do so. you typically don't hear anything said on the other side of the table. doj will usually listen to the presentation, give the attorneys all the time they've requested. and at the end of the presentation say, thank you very much for coming. we'll give you a call if we have anything to tell you. it's a long-shot strategy. it's worth the effort if you're a defense attorney. but it's certainly not worth pinning your hopes on. >> when we hear the former president's attorneys are claiming prosecutorial misconduct, it may not be they have some smoking gun, they have some unheard of evidence. this may just be a last ditch effort to do whatever they can. >> yeah. i think it's highly unlikely that they have significant evidence of misconduct, simply because so many elements of this investigation have been ferociously litigated between the two sides.

so, you've had a lot of judicial intervention and oversight already in this investigation. we had, of course, a search warrant that took place when justice went back in front of the judge and requested sanctions against the trump attorneys. they've gone in and pursued an effort to pierce the attorney/client privilege, to get evidence from trump's attorney, evan corcoran. there's been a lot of judicial intervention. we've seen if there was actual misconduct, that would have come out. but my suspicion here, anderson, is that trump's attorneys know the only way to get an attorney general to really weigh in and remove or stop a special counsel has to be on finding of misconduct. under the special counsel regulations, that's really the only way you can turn off, an attorney general can turn off, a special counsel effort, is if they claim the special counsel engaged in misconduct. they can essentially fire him, but they have to report that to congress. that is a big ask. that's literally swinging for

the fences. >> based on your experience, do you believe jack smith is near the end of his investigation? >> i do. i do. i think it could come very quickly. these meetings with defense attorneys trying to basically plead their case before it's indicted usually come at the very, very end, right before the prosecutor goes before the grand jury and asks them to indict the case. so, i think we can see that happen really any time now, and certainly within the next few weeks. we've also seen all the major witnesses that we're aware of, most of them anyway, we know have already been in front of the a grand jury. we already understand there's a lot of evidence they have to work with here, just when the things they've been publicly reported, they likely have much more than that. i think it's reasonable to expect that this thing is in its final stages on the investigative side. >> what do you think of the kaitlan collins reporting the mar-a-lago pool flood raising suspicions among prosecutors? >> yeah, that's a really weird one. it certainly gives you an indication of the high degree of suspicion that, you know, each

side has of the other. certainly doj is investigating obstruction here. we know that from the search warrant application. so, they're going to look at every possible act as a possible -- you know, every act as a possible element of obstruction. in this case, with the witnesses already saying that the flood didn't really damage the computers, it's hard to say -- until we hear that the trump team is actually claiming that they cannot produce the videos requested under the subpoenas because the material was damaged by water, it's hard to say that they're actually using that as some sort of a -- >> what does obstruction look like? i mean, from a legal standpoint? >> so, obstruction, you know, in order to charge someone with obstruction, you have to be able to prove they intended to obstruct an official proceeding. so, an accidental flooding of a room with computers in it, without more evidence of actual intent to stop or obstruct the

proceeding, in this case, the investigation, wouldn't probably rise to the level of a chargeable offense. >> right. >> however, conversations with your lawyer -- which you're lying to your lawyer about where the docs are and what's available to be searched, as is also allegedly taking place in this case, that could very well be -- end up as a chargeable offense. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate it. thank you. >> sure. >> this of course happening in a political vacuum. which is why we have david urban with us. both republican strategist and former trump campaign adviser. kaitlan collins touched a moment ago, the former president put a statement out saying in part, how can doj charge me who did nothing wrong when no other presidents were charged. he wrote about president biden and secretary clinton. he ended with the greatest witch hunt of all time. do you think he's worried about this? >> sure. anderson, i believe the president's worried about this.

otherwise he wouldn't be commenting about it. and he's rightfully worried about it. we've heard this in a town hall when kaitlan asked about it and the president said, i have the right. i can declassify things by saying they're declassified. i think you're going to hear that repeated over and over again. you and i sat next to each other on that day when the president was taken into custody in new york city. and i think the bigger question is you raise, this isn't happening in a political vacuum. what does it all mean? i'm not so sure that it means anything. to the core die or ride trump supporters, i think they're going to see this as more prosecution and persecution of their candidate during, you know, he's the leader of the republican primary right now. they're trying to take him out. this is the best means they can. >> the former president's primary opponents, republicans, haven't really attacked him for the multiple investigations he's facing. in fact, many -- as you and i have talked about -- many defended him, at least in the

stormy daniels hush money case in new york. do you think that could change in the classified documents case? if you were advising some of these candidates, is it -- does it make sense for them to raise it now? >> so, i think the -- we're going to have to wait and see what comes out in the details, right? obviously it depends on what is in the indictment, how serious of the nature it is. look, you can argue any obstruction is bad, obviously, right? you're going to be charged for it. but i think if it's spelled out, if you find out that, like has been speculated here, that the pool was flooded perhaps in an attempt to damage this. if that's in fact true and there's more details upon details that the president directed certain aides to move boxes once he knew things, if those things are fleshed out and they're meat put on the bones, then i think it's going to be much harder to ignore what's going on. and you're going to have to speak out about it.

>> do you think a justice department indictment would change former president trump as a candidate? do you think he would change tactics? a lot of the witch hunt rhetoric would come to the fore. do you think from a candidate standpoint it changes him in any way? >> i don't think it changes anything. as i said, you and i sat next to each other, he got taken into custody, and then his poll numbers went up. >> yeah. >> i think that this is the most serious case that he's facing, this indictment charge is the most serious to date. we'll see what happens. but, you know, i suspect that, again, that the die hard trump base, that 30%, 35% of the trump supporters who love the president are going to continue to love the president no matter what happens in this case. >> david urban, good to have you. thank you. next, the state of play in the 2024 republican presidential campaign, as mike pence gets in. a republican critic of the former president decides to stay out. also what investigators have

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also expected to declare, tim skrot, the republican candidate made headlines farrafter a contentious comment on "the view." senator scott also got booed when talking about candidate ron desantis and his battle with disney. >> one of the reasons i'm on the show is because of the comments that were made on the show that the only way for a young african american kid to be successful in this country is to be the exception and not the rule. that is a dangerous, offensive, disgusting message to send to our young people today that the only way to succeed is by being the exception. i think disney and ron being in a combat zone for a number of months over what i thought was the right issue, as it relates to our young kids and what they're being indoctrinated with. i thought he started off on the right foot on that issue. >> no, no, no, no.

i'm sorry, sir. do not boo. this is "the view." we accept. we don't have to believe everything people say, but you cannot boo people here, please. you cannot do it. >> busy day in the presidential race. joining us, cnn political commentator bakari sellers, and mark mckinnon, served as m campaign media adviser. you heard a little bit of the perspective there. what do you make of it? >> i thought it was a good political strategy to go into the belly of the beast. i think that senator scott uses -- i love senator scott. we're friends, i would like to believe. i served with him for four years in the south carolina legislative body. and as i like to say, i would give senator scott a kidney. i just would never vote for him. but i think today was a good day to show you how nimble he is. i think he has a hard time because he has an amazing story. he believes his story to be the story of america. however, he himself acknowledges that he is here because he's a miracle. that in itself means that there

is some basic tenets of systemic racism in the country. >> is that a political belief or an actual belief? >> that's a good question. i think it's a combination of both. for him, it may be a belief. for nikki haley, it's probably a calculation. regardless of whatever the foundation for that belief is, i think that is dangerous. i think when you acknowledge yourself to be, i am here because i am an exception. i am here because i am an miracle in this country. then that in and of itself means that there are some issues that hold other people who look like you back. >> mark, what is the lane for a tim scott or nikki haley to become president? is it to try to stay in the good graces of trump as long as possible, while getting established republicans and independents? >> well, i think the lane is a lane where you appeal to republicans who want a normal republican party again and want to put trump in the rear-view mirror.

i think, first of all, nikki haley is a very daft campaigner, did a great job on your town hall, showed her experience, showed her unflapbility, and showed she's kind of a normal republican, a little bit of a throwback. is that going to appeal to trump base voters? probably not. but there's room for others in this race. and tim scott, by the way, has a lot of potential appeal for iowa. and iowa, as we know, can completely shake up this race. and, you know, what people should be focusing on is not the national polls but what's happening in iowa. and tim scott's got a very sunny, reagan, george bush, compassionate conservative optimistic kind of message. and by the way, the thing i like about that is an interesting debate on the issue that bakari was talking about, that we'll talk about during this election, but what i like that he's doing is that contrary to desantis and trump, who want to -- who claim that they are victims and their voters are victims of everything, tim scott's saying,

i'm not a victim. and i like that. and i think a lot of americans like that. they like that kind of reagan, you can be anything in this country now. that's a debate we can have on whether or not it's fair to everybody. but it's a good message, and it appeals to old time establishment republicans and people out in iowa like me. is that enough? i don't know. but it could be enough to break through in iowa. >> bakari, with the exception of governor desantis, the former president has been relatively hands off and even complimentary with tim scott, nikki haley. clearly he sees it as a benefit to him to have as many people in the race. >> the problem most republicans don't realize, it's a structural problem within the republican party. they didn't go back and change the structure of otheir primaries. so, basically when somebody wins the primary, even if they win it with 25% or 30% of the vote, they get all of those delegates to be the next nominee for president. so, the more people who are in the race, the more it benefits

donald trump. i would also say that there is no benefit to donald trump for going after somebody, as mark said, with the disposition of somebody like tim scott. people like tim scott. he's genuinely likable. you feel like although you may disagree with him, he's in it because he believes in what abraham lincoln called the better angels in our effort. mike pence, getting in the race soon, or somebody like chris christie, he won't have a choice because they're going to be throwing punches at him. david axelrod said it last night, and i agree with him. i don't think donald trump is going to engage much. i don't think he's going to debate much. it would be silly for him to. if donald trump wins, i would love to hear what mark says -- but if donald trump wins iowa, the rest of this is academic. he will be the nominee. >> mark, do you think it makes any sense for trump to debate? or engage? >> well, listen, i think it makes sense for him to debate because he dominates every

debate that he's in and just crushes everybody. i mean, we saw that in 2016. i don't think he needs to engage with the other candidates. i mean, it only elevates them when he does. but i think chris sununu had the right message today. and what he says -- first of all, he's going to have more impact on this race by getting out than staying in. new hampshire now is in play. and like iowa, you know, this race can be completely rearranged. just ask the guy who lost to john mccain by 19 points after coming in there in first place with george w. bush in south carolina, turning around in like a 30-point changeover in the course of 24 hours. but his point is the one that's right, which is, you know, the more people in the race, the more it helps trump. so, people like sununu are getting out because the last thing that they want is trump to emerge as the nominee. >> and clearly bakari, chris christie is gearing up for a confrontation based on his

public comments. desantis is increasingly getting into it. do you think it's necessary -- do you think -- do you think that's wise so soon? >> i'm not a conspiracy theorist, but i do have a conspiracy theory. i think that there were some donors -- >> every conspiracy theorist says they're not a conspiracy theorist. >> i'm not. the world is flat, but no. i think people got together and said, look, chris christie, go out and do to donald trump what you did to marco rubio. kamikaze christie is coming in with one mission. there's no way he believes he can be president of the united states. he has a better grasp of reality. he has one job, one task. >> i think you're wrong. he certainly believes he could do the job. just whether he could win. >> that's absolutely correct. >> that's what you're saying. >> that is exactly what i'm saying. however, i would also say he's just here for one task, and that is to take on donald trump.

he is gob toy abull in a china should be. he' he' he's going to be fun to watch. even nikki haley mentioned trump's name one time, maybe two times. >> great to have you on. just ahead, a possible turn in the war in ukraine. an exclusive interview with mark milley. in another cnn exclusive, new information on what may be behind this and other drone attacks in russia and how these groups of saboteurs have been cultivated by ukraine. plus new information on that crash of a private plane in virginia that sent military jets scrambling to the air so quickly it produced a sonic boom heard across the nation's capitol next.

an exclusive cnn interview tonight with america's top general with the state of the u.s. national security as well as the war in ukraine. first, the latest on the war in ukraine. the top official there said that a new offensive is, quote, taking place in several directions, including around bakhmut. unclear if that's the counteroffensive they've been planning. russian officials earlier claimed they resisted a large attack. ukraine pushed back on that assessment. cnn can't verify these battlefield movements. we do know that ukraine put out this video, urging people to not talk about a counteroffensive. their message, according to fred pleitgen, plans, love, silence. multiple sources in u.s. intelligence are saying that ukraine has cultivated sabotage agents inside russia and is giving them drones to stage attacks, including, these sources believe, that attack by two drones that targeted the

kremlin last month. na a natasha bertrand join us us. >> there has been a steady drum beat inside russia of these attacks over the last year, targeting oil depots, railways, other facilities that are useful for the russians for their war effort in ukraine. and now we're learning that those mysterious attacks may have been carried out by the sabotage cells that ukraine has actually cultivated inside russia over the last several months and even year, ever since the war began. we are learning that u.s. officials and western officials believe that these are a mix of pro-ukrainian synthesizers as well as agents who are pretty well trained in this kind of warfare, and that u.s. officials actually believe that that attack, that drone attack on the kremlin that happened last month, that was actually carried out, u.s. officials believe, by those pro-ukrainian operators inside russia. we are also learning that they're getting drones from the ukrainians. it is unclear how the ukrainians

are getting those drones into russia. but we do know they have a well-established drone manufacturing industry inside russia, and they're somehow smuggling them, u.s. officials believe, into russia. we did ask ukraine for comment, and we got a pretty colorful response from ukraine security services who said, we will comment on instances of cotton only after our victory. cotton is burning, has burning, and will continue burning. cotton is a ukrainian slang term for explosions in russian territory, anderson. >> i just want to make sure, you said that ukraine has a drone making facility inside russia. you meant inside ukraine. >> inside ukraine. >> then they bring the drones into russia. >> yes. they have a well-established drone manufacturing facility inside ukraine that has ramped up over the last several months and year. the drones have been useful for them. >> how much influence over these individuals or groups inside russia does ukraine have? is it known? i mean, is it just that they're giving material and, you know,

aid, or do they have the operational control? do we know? >> well, the officials we spoke to do believe that elements within ukraine's intelligence community do have some element of control over these assets. and it is unclear how much of the operation ukrainian president zelenskyy is told about. he doesn't require sign-off on every one of these operations. but according to leaked documents, leaked pentagon documents, president zelenskyy himself had suggested to aides striking inside russia, and his tayso his military intelligence chief has proposed brazen plans for attacks deep inside russian territory. >> thank you. now to cnn's exclusive interview with general mark milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. it's conducted in france, as he joined alice to celebrate the anniversary of the d-day invasion. what did the general tell you about the war in ukraine and the security challenges the u.s. is facing?

>> reporter: anderson, this is a wide-ranging interview on ukraine, on china, on challenges facing the defense department. but of course as we stand here ready to celebrate and commemorate the d-day invasion that liberated europe through a counteroffensive of its own, we wait here for another counteroffensive. and because of that, a lot is focused on ukraine. take a listen here. general mark milley in normandy marking the counteroffensive, as the world waits for another counteroffensive in ukraine. >> i think the ukrainians are very well prepared. as you know very well, united states and other allied countries in europe and around the world have provided training, ammunition, advice, intelligence, et cetera to ukrainians with supporting them. they're in a war. it's an existential threat for the very survival of ukraine. and has greater meaning to the rest of the world. >> reporter: milley also spoke about the tension with china, just days after a chinese warship cut off a u.s. ship,

less than 150 yards, dangerously close. >> both countries have significant amounts of nuclear weapons, large and capable militaries. a conflict between great powers -- for sure we're in competition. we're not yet into conflict. >> reporter: milley says communication is key to avoid conflict. >> i don't think that war between china and united states is inevitable. i don't think it's imminent. but it needs to stay in a status of competition. in order to do that, countries have to talk to each other. and in times of crisis, it's necessary to de-escalate. >> reporter: at a defense conference in singapore last week, lloyd austin only shook hands with his chinese counterpart, who refused a formal meeting. >> i have not had an opportunity to talk to my counterpart. i talked to my previous counterpart. we've sent out messages and they've sent messages back and forth. so, there are some communications going back and forth, but we would like to have

an opportunity to talk. and i think they would like to have an opportunity to talk. >> reporter: back in washington, milley spoke with senator tommy tuberville over the one-man blockade, a number that could triple by tend of summer and affect military readiness. >> it's a large number. and you figure each one is to replace somebody else, multiplied by three. so, you're really looking at potentially between 1,000, 2,000 officers are impacted. then most of them are married. now you're looking at about another 4,000 family members. >> this could be a backup of the whole system it sounds like. >> it is becoming a backup of the whole system. >> reporter: in congressional hearings, the chairman of joint chiefs has repeatedly defended the department against accusations of being too woke, an issue he says the exaggerated. >> we're about fighting and winning on the battlefield. and we're all about readiness. readiness in the future and modernization. i think the accusations of woke are grossly overexaggerated. >> milley has said in the past that have a military standpoint,

it would be a very difficult task to push russian forces out of all the parts of ukraine that they currently occupy. has that assessment changed at all? >> no. i don't think so. i think he's well aware of how difficult a counteroffensive will be. that's why he was very careful there in his prediction of how this will play out. we certainly probed a bit on that, and we said, are they ready? are they prepare d? he said the u.s. and other countries have provided equipment. but even as this process has played out, even as this war has worn down the russian armed forces, their armor, their infantry, it has given russia time to dig into defensive lines, to prepare for their own offense. we've been talking about the counteroffensive for months. that has been time that even as russia has been defending against smaller attacks, they have to prepare for a larger counteroffensive. milley well aware that when this is launched in ernest and in scale, it will be a difficult

operation. that's why he's cautious, not wanting to make a prediction. fully aware that so much on the battlefield plays with chances and probabilities and different outcomes. so, he wants to be very careful the in that. >> appreciate it. coming up, new details on what led up to that private plane crash in virginia, producing a sonic boom across washington. plus more than 18 years since the disappearance of natalee holloway, the prime suspect in her case may soon be in u.s. custody. details ahead. [ dog barks ] you have reached your destinination. one more? ♪ one more time ♪ turn right on to western avenu. id. light in the all-electric id.4. it's the little things, it's a vw.

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we're learning more about what may have happened to the pilot and passengers on board that private plane that crashed in west virginia sunday, including a new report issued from the faa that it lost contact with the plane only 15 minutes after it took off. military jets were scrambled after repeated attempts failed to contact those on board. the jets' supersonic speed produced a sonic boom that could be heard across the washington, d.c. area. this is video taken in two places of what it was like. listen. ♪ >> the national transportation safety board is now investigating the crash. brian todd has the details. >> reporter: a source tells cnn the f-16 pilots who scrambled to intercept the private cessna observed the pilot, as they flew

next to him as unresponsive and slumped over in his seat. the ntsb is on site in central virginia going through what's left of the wreckage, with another source saying investigators are now most interested in hypoxia, lack of oxygen, as a possible cause of the crash. the twin engine jet went hundreds of miles off course, including passing over the d.c. area into restricted airspace. >> the engines, the weather conditions, pilot qualifications, the maintenance records, all aspects will be, of course, items that we routinely look at. >> reporter: the flight path shows a takeoff from tennessee. at its destination on new york's long island, the plane turns but doesn't land. instead, it keeps flying at 34,000 feet into highly restricted airspace. the capitol placed on an elevated alert and air national guard pilots scrambled to intercept, causing a sonic boom heard around the beltway.

but norrod says the pilots got no response to fly byes, flares, or radio calls. >> if you hear this transmission, contact us. >> reporter: authorities say the plane was not shot down, but if it appeared to be a threat -- >> they do have the ability to shoot down a civilian aircraft if that is required. >> reporter: the plane was tracked until it crashed into the mountains of central virginia. there were four people on board, including the pilot and the plane owner's daughter, granddaughter, and hernanny, accor according to "the new york times." how might a crash be caused? >> some sort of depressurization event, likely, rapid or maybe slow, which caused the pilot to be incapacitated and rendered the passengers unconscious. >> first responders telling cnn there were no survivors. >> very hard to get to, a lot of

overgrowth. and they had areas where they actually had to get on their hands and knees and crawl to get under the brush to get into it. >> it's going to be very difficult to recover, certainly any avionics or any important wreckage information. and for the victims on the plane, we won't be able to tell whether they had any signs of oxygen deprivation. >> and we have this just in to cnn tonight, the first time we're getting actual names of the people on board that plane. the family who owns the cessna citation has told "the washington post" that their daughter -- her name is adina azarian, and their granddaughter, aryan azarian, were among the three passengers killed. this family, the rumples, john and barbara rumpel, identified the pilot, jeff hefner. so, you've got three of the four people who died in the crash. adina azarian, her daughter aryan azarian, and the pilot,

jeff hefner, those names just coming into cnn with the family talking to "the washington post" tonight. to major developments in a case connected to the disappearance of american teenager natalee holloway. joran vandersloot, prime suspect in her disappearance, is scheduled to be transferred temporary into u.s. custody thursday to face extortion and fraud charges. gene ka czar residence has the story. >> reporter: joran van der sloot begins his long yjourney to the united states in the early morning hours of saturday. this exclusive video shows van der sloot taken out of his cell at peru's maximum security prison, dressed to leave, with two shopping bags of personal belongings. shackles around his ankles and handcuffs around his wrist did not overshadow his multicolored

fleece sweater coat with a lion's face on the front and back. peru's prison system allows inmates to wear their own clothing. van der sloot is being transferred to the united states under the extradition treaty with peru to face extortion and wire fraud charges in relation to the 205 disappearance of natalee holloway. the alabama teenager vanished on a school trip in aruba nearly two decades ago. van der sloot, one of the last people to see her alive, was twice detained in connection with her disappearance. >> i want him to tell the truth. he knows exactly what happened. he knows what, where, when, who, why, and how. he knows the answers. >> reporter: accompanied by four guards, next stop, prison medical testing before leaving.

one cuff taken off so blood pressure can be taken. with a doctor next listening carefully to his heart. everything is ready for him to be handed over. we have him safe, which is what the u.s. authority requested, that he would be in good health. that is how we will keep him, until the 8th. we guarantee that. now, time for departure. paperwork signed in the prison registration office, his rainbow colored bracelet alongside the cuffs, which were then put behind his back, when van der sloot being loaded in the secured area of a prison van for the first leg of the journey. now, almost exactly 18 years later, her perpetrator, joran van der sloot, has been extradited to birmingham to answer for his crimes. under the cover of darkness, van der sloot arrives to a lima

prison, one step closer to american justice. >> and jean ka czar res joins us now. >> what we've been told is that he will go to the lima prison. they will take him into their custody. they will transport him to the lima airport, where the fbi will be standing by with a plane. and that transport him to the united states. >> appreciate it. thank you. up next, a lighter affair. take a look at these. they look like ski goggles. harry enten joins us to explain why they are getting so much attention next. directv has two ways to get the tv you love satellite or internet. and that show you pretend not to le. look, if you wanna watch people eat bugs in the woods, that's your thing, baby. switch today for a $200 reward card

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apple has unveiled its most ambitious new product in years, a mixed reality headset -- >> anderson, i have to interrupt you. we were talking in break about the virtual reality, and i didn't seem to know very much about it. >> yes. >> the reason i didn't know very much about it, that was just a cover for what this segment actually was. it turns out that this weekend was a very special birthday for a very -- >> a segment on my birthday? >> we are. >> three days ago. >> it's two days ago. it was saturday. we don't work on saturdays.

>> okay. >> and i even was able to get a little gift for you that we're going to be bringing out. kevin will bring it for us. before that cake comes out, what i want to note is a few things about as you're turning older at this point. i want to note that some things are going to grow longer on you. >> excuse me? >> yes. your ears are going to become longer. >> really? >> your nose is going to become longer. >> really? >> what we also know is that your height is going to become shorter. so, you're going to shrink but you're going to have longer ears and nose. >> i'm glad we brought out a data scientist to tell me all these great things are going to happen. >> i do have one good piece of news for you. there's some question, when is old old? >> i ask myself that. i feel like i've crossed the rubicon. i've turned 56 on saturday. >> yes. you turned 56 on saturday. so, i wanted to determine whether or not 56 was old. so, i turned to the public. and there was a poll a few years

ago that asked, how old is old. as it turns out, old does not happen until you reach your 70s. >> really? >> yes. well, okay. fine. >> 73. so -- >> that's based on research. >> this is based on what public perception. >> okay. yeah. >> oh. >> thank you. oh, my god, it's a -- is that a -- >> it's a fudgey the whale. and we have been talking about it. >> for those who don't know, it's a fudgey the whale cake, which is legendary as a kid. harry and i grew up in new york, although i'm much older. >> you're not that much older. >> what does it say on the cake? a whale of a cake for a whale of a dad. thank you. >> there you go. we were going to sing "happy birthday" for you, but we'll get to that in a second. i want to note other celebrities who are your age at this particular point. >> yes. >> okay. so, we got a few of them. look. we got mike tyson.

>> okay. so, mike tyson. i feel like he could still fight. i feel like you could fight. >> i can fight, yeah. >> how about gordon ramsay. >> sure. okay. he's a chef who yells at people. >> that's exactly right. you're not a chef and you don't yell at people, but maybe that's something we can work on. adam sandler, very talented. >> adam sandler, very funny guy. >> and andy cohen turned 55 on june 2nd. >> folks, can we all join in -- >> we're not going to do it. >> we are absolutely doing it. >> how much time do we have left? >> one, two, three. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ ♪ -- >> i would rather have the virtual reality. >> nice try. ♪ happy birthday dear anderson ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> all right. thank you. is the segment done? are we good? >> sure.

i think the segment is done. we got you good enough. >> all right. thanks. all right. all right. thanks very much. cnn prime time with kaitlan collins is next right after a quick break. we'll be right back. i never thought twice about feeding her kibble. but about two years ago, i realized she was overweight. she was alwaways out of breath. that's when i decided to introduce the farmer's dog to her dietet. it's just so fresh that she literally gets bubbles in her mouth. now she's a lot more active, she's able to join us on our adventures. and we're all able to do things as a family. ♪ get started at betterforthem.com

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