>> vice president mike pence has just filed papers with the federal election commission signaling that he is entering the race for president. so with that in vine, a quick programming note before we go tonight, make sure you join us here on cnn wednesday night as the former vice president is going to be taking questions, and taking the stage for an exclusive republican presidential town hall. you can catch that at nine pm eastern right here only on cnn, with my colleague dana bash. thank you so much for joining us tonight, cnn tonight, with alison camerota starts. now >> i ellison. >> welcome to cnn tonight. so what happened with the mar-a-lago pool? in a cnn exclusive, sources say an employee of donald trump trained at the swimming pool last october and ended up flooding a room and the resort,

that is a room where the computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept. so was this just a messy mistake? maybe. but it aroused investigators suspicions because it happened amid a series of events that they found curious. so tonight, we're going to look at those key events at mar-a-lago. also today, donald trump's lawyer spoke to the justice department and met with special counsel jack smith. our panel explains what that tells us. plus, you've heard our school district or banning controversial books, so what about the bible? or the book of mormon? that is happening in one utah school district and our panel has a lot of thoughts on that. and do you always give your uber driver a five star rating? it turns out a lot of us do, and it's not because we think they are great drivers, it's because we are scared. tonight, we will see what ratings they give us. okay, let's begin with our cnn exclusive reporting on the trump investigation in mar-a-lago, and the flood at the resorts swimming pool. this happened last october. as prosecutors obtain evidence

that boxes of white house records were being moved around by donald trump's staff. prosecutors are examining whether there was any effort to obstruct the doj's investigation after the former president was subpoenaed in may, 2022 for classified documents. joining me with a reporting on this is cnn senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz, we also have mark bhutto national political porter for the messenger who can give us a lay of the land at mar-a-lago, and see it near analyst lena horn lead, and what are your prosecutor john -- . okay so what makes prosecutors think that this flawed at the pool at mar-a-lago is anything more than just an accident? >> well allison, we don't know if they think it's more than that, we just know it's something they're asking about. and they're asking about it because they have been trying to get to the bottom of the possibility that people may have wanted to obstruct justice. so at the top of the pyramid will be donald trump, and the question is, did donald trump

-- was he directing people to potentially take steps that with ford investigators as they were trying to locate all of the documents at mar-a-lago, and find out where everything went as they were failing to get those documents backup leading up to that search in august. so this particular situation in october of last year, this is a maintenance worker draining the pool at mar-a-lago, and then that pool water causing a flood in the very room where video surveillance footage and equipment was being kept at the resort. that is just a piece of, a constellation of activity that investigators are asking about, especially about the actions of this specific maintenance worker, this is someone who was captured on surveillance tape helping another trump employee move boxes. and we know that investigators are also asking about conversations that these men were having with others in the trump universe about the surveillance tapes.

so, they are asking this question because there's just a number of different things that happened that when you take it all together, it is a lot of stuff happening around surveillance tapes that the justice department was trying to lock down as part of this investigation. surveillance tapes that would show that boxes had been moved within the resort at a time, whenever the trump team was not fully able to hand over all of the documents at mar-a-lago. >> so caitlin, you are explaining there was a confluence of events in that october. so the timing is what gives investigators some pause. did they already have the surveillance tapes by then? >> they had some of them, alisyn. so we do know there was a subpoena right before the search of mar-a-lago in august by the fbi that was court authorized, and that subpoena went to the trump organization, they did handover surveillance tapes. but our understanding is there were several other requests for training states after that, and it became clear to people who

worked for donald trump after that that the justice department was interested in their surveillance tapes. we know his body man walt now that one of the other people captured on some of these tapes was asked about it with investigators, and then changed attorneys in the fall he stopped communicating with investigators at that time. and so in the course of this investigation, in the fall we don't know exactly this flood happened, but we do know it was in october and there were requests, demands for that footage for the trump organization both before and after that time. >> okay, thank you for all of that. let me pull up that map that we have -- it will bring a market. mark, even to mar-a-lago several times. and on this map that we have, mar-a-lago we can see where the pool is and we can see where the storage room is but we don't know exactly which when it was that was flooded. so what do we need to know about how it's layout, et cetera? >> what i can say, you know

it's difficult to describe without me seeing the map is, the place does have a lot of security. it has its own private security, and a timeout was their most recently there were police cars with agents who had ar-15-style semiautomatic weapons. so i don't think it's the kind of place you can really walk in. as a member of the press, i want to get credentials ahead of time. other people have been able to kind of slip in as guests of guests, or of members i should say at mar-a-lago. but it doesn't, and didn't strike me as a place where you could just wander around and look around willy-nilly without someone asking you what's going on. >> that's interesting mark, because we all remember the story in 2019 of the suspected chinese spy on something -- she was discovered at mar-a-lago. she had something a nine flash drives, four cell phones, she could not explain what she was carrying a hard drive with her. so i don't think that we knew that it had that level of security. >> right. well, i was not there for that.

but what i can say is, in talking to the trump campaign about this and prior to being a campaign, his advisors them of his attorneys. one of the arguments they made about mar-a-lago. understand, this is their argument, is that it was designated as a scif, as a secure facility for the time he was president. remember, actually on the mar-a-lago patio, he had a meeting with japan's prime minister at one point to discuss some sort of international crisis. there's been a lot of history that's unfolded there since donald trump has been president, and while he's been a presidential candidate. but for the period of time i was there, i did not really have a lot of free movement. but then again, i am not a member, i'm not a guest of a member, i'm a member of the press so the rules are a little different for us. >> yes, understood. okay elie, prosecutors, i'm just curious, what would they have to prove -- what would they have to do, i guess, in order to prove there was sabotage with this tool incident? >> okay for in order for this to mean anything to prosecutors,

did to prove this was intentional as opposed to an accident. i would sit with a bunch of questions i have, maybe these are more from our experience with tools that as a prosecutor, right? how often are they draining this pool? it's a scheduled or not scheduled maintenance? how often did end up that -- pool engineering it would dream away from sensitive areas, and not into areas where servers are. and what you are also looking for is any sort of testimony or statement showing that somebody said, hey get down there, let the pool lose, let's see where it goes, that kind of thing. that's where they seized the phones which they are surely analyzing. >> john, part of why prosecutors have some reason to be concerned about -- about how forthcoming the trump team's is because they have a history of trying to get back these documents and then not being turned over readily. we have the timeline up a moment ago, i will quickly recap it for everybody. it was in may, 2021, okay? that the national archives first contact the trump team to look at missing items. a month later they finally, the

national archives, receive 15 boxes of white house records from mar-a-lago. they are assured that's all there is, okay? then, another five months later, they have to subpoena -- it to subpoena donald trump because they realize there are still missing documents, then in august the fbi asked to execute a search warrant at mar-a-lago because they still have not turned stuff over. then the doj requests the trump organization preservation of footage, that is in october, and then in october there is his mar-a-lago, maybe pool accident, maybe something else. >> originally there were negotiating to get the documents back. it dragged on. the game-changer was a subpoena. once there's a grand jury subpoena is no longer optional. at that point, the former president was required to turn over everything called for in the subpoena. he could have gone to court to seek some relief from it, or he could've what's called submitted a privilege log, worry saying hey, i'm holding the various things back. here's the reason, and that it

judged inside. what you cannot do is selectively turn over some things and not others. i think this pool, not to use upon, i think the prosecutors swimming upstream with the pool. i think they really can do a lot better. there was an article in the daily beast recently that said trump lawyers think there may be a snitch amongst them. well of course there's an insider. how do we know that? because there was a search warrant. and a search warrant meant they had probable cause to believe that there was evidence of a crime at mar-a-lago, and they have an insider. and that is in a search warrant affidavit, but that remains redacted so we don't know it. is >> really interesting. okay elie, what is the name -- they met with jack smith as special counsel. >> so to me that jack smith was in attendance, we didn't know to later in the day which is really important. joe knows of course that this is very common, where prosecutors will sit down with defense lawyers. i don't may sound unusual to think it's all just adversarial, no, you give defense lawyers a chance to come in and make a

pitch. we call it a reverse profit, because the defense lawyer is usually saying, here's problems in your case, here's where the bad idea for you to charge. now, sometimes as a prosecutor you make the defense lawyers go through the levels. well, you have to start with the guys on the line like what i was. then you can work your way up to the boss. and here we know they met with the boss, this is jack smith's case, and i do not think doj is going to grant a second meeting with mayor rex garland. so naturally this kind of meeting would happen at the end of a case, so it tells me in the closing stages here. >> do you agree? john >> not entirely. elon i served in the same district, >> two years apart. >> well, two years apart. according to the trump lawyers, they released a letter publicly that accused the prosecutors, maybe the fbi agents of misconduct. the meeting may have been restricted to that. now, you know, you can make a little knows about misconduct. i deal with, in my practice, i do with fbi agents, attorneys all the time.

most of them are very honorable. they don't agree with me, but they are very honorable. every now and then there is misconduct and i call it out. but you need evidence of it, you can't be the boy who cried wolf, so i don't think it's surprising that jack smith sat in when there was a discussion of alleged misconduct by his own people. >> okay, i think we agree on that. >> fantastic, thank you gentlemen. thank you very much, caitlin and mark as well. so next, our panel has a field day with the pool. on? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. libeberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss.

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moves in the trump class of a document case. and cnn's exclusive reporting about the flood from the pool at mar-a-lago that flooded the room where the surveillance video logs were kept. our panel is here, we have jessica washington of the root, jon sale is back, republican strategist joe pinion, and rolling stone columnist jane michaelson. great to have all you jay named people here with me tonight. okay joe, you are not buying the pool conspiracy theory. >> look, pools flood, that's just a reality of life. i think anybody who has been convinced that the trump family is effectively a crime syndicate that latched itself on to the oval office will say, there we go. they have of course flooded the entirety of the compound for the purposes -- >> just one room, don't go overboard. water metaphor, go ahead.

>> i just think that at some point if you are wondering why there are people out there who think they're out to get president trump, it's because sometimes even a simple flood of a pool gets blown up into a national conspiracy for the purposes of trying to conceal an ongoing crime. >> he has, and just to be clear, the reporting is that prosecutors find it suspicious, because that was a month when a lot of stuff was happening. >> i think prosecutors found the suspicious and somehow it ended up in a news report. i think look, we should follow the truth wherever it leads us, i think we should follow the facts wherever it leads us, i think we are having serious conversations about the lack of security around preliminary documents for the united states government, from president trump to joe biden, to vice president pence. so all of those conversations are pertinent, but i do think, again, when we are talking about the pool flooding, i think we perhaps have jumped the shark. >> wow. >> i like that reference, because i do think this is an episode of season five, or

season six, you know? of the crime drama where they are really desperate for areas, oh i know they flooded the pool, and then it was a documents, then it was the pomp. then they blame it on the pool guy or something. i feel like there is a silver lining to this story, kind of like a pool lining. there's a lot to work here. maybe this will now draw some attention to the seriousness and what's under this, i tend to give joe, i'm not publicly persuaded that the pool guy did it. but again, you know, it's difficult to keep attention on the seriousness of this story because there are so many others going on. i think, while i'm not convinced by the pool story, it is serving a higher bid. >> i have to agree. it is obviously suspicious that the surveillance room was flooded by the pool, like, i don't think there's another way to talk about that. at least it -- it doesn't improve anything. it is a problem that mar-a-lago had so many security breaches that they were classified documents being held there, that there were reports of things being shredded.

there's a lot more to this, and i agree it brings a spotlight back on it, whether or not we had a pool guy who intentionally tried to flood the surveillance room. >> john, here's a question that i did not get too with my last guest who knew a lot about mar-a-lago. i wish i had, because i hadn't thought about it this way before. if the crime of mishandling classified documents happened in florida, is that where, if, if, if, if donald trump were to be indicted, is that where he would be tried? is that where there would be a trial? >> floridian -- prosecutors can choose venue. and it is where anything happened, and documents were in washington, they were national archives, and they were in mar-a-lago. so the prosecutors can choose their venue, and i can assure you they will accuse washington, d.c. -- >> and why is that? >> because i think it's a friendlier venue for them. >> for who? >> for prosecutors. >> because mar-a-lago would be a more friendly venue for donald trump? >> more likely. this is assuming he is indicted. i live in practice in florida, and let me tell you, just friday a retired army officer

was sentenced to three years in prison for improper attention on classified documents. general petraeus was prosecuted for that. sandy was prosecuted for that, high up in the clinton white house. i think the pool is a silly diversion, but what is not silly is mr. corcoran drafted a sworn statement -- former attorney for mr. trump gave a sworn statement in which he said pharaoh search was inducted, and he turned over 38 classified documents. then the search uncovered over 100. so there's something wrong there, and classified documents cannot be mishandled, or cannot be used to the detriment of national interest. the pool is silly, but when you are talking about possible invasion plans of iran, that serious. >> and look, i think there clearly has been a lack of care demonstrated by the people we have interested with our national secrets. i think the problem we've

talked about this before, is that the case may indeed be booby trapped. i think when you look at potentially what happened with vice president -- then vice president biden back when he was in the senate. i think the doj puts himself in a precarious position. whereas to proceed with president trump, i think also leads into a position where they may be forced to also -- >> but don't usually distinction here, joe between these cases? namely that, now president biden, and former vice president pence cooperated right away. >> well look, i will say this. my copilot in crime, elie koenig he is no longer on the set. i'm not here with a chaperone, but i will say this. i think at some point we have to recognize that we are here -- the letter of the law. if we are simply talking about the letter of the law, the letter of the law in many ways was not follows when it comes to president trump, when it comes to vice president -- then vice president pence. when it comes to president biden. look, i just think again, the

reality the issue is that either we have a law that is applied universally to everyone. >> but it was applied universally. the national archives wanted stuff back, they reached out to these teams. two of the teams returned the documents, one of them did not. >> look again, i'm not the attorney, i should not be able to speak to this -- he can speak better than i will. i will say this, the notion that somehow, oh they asked for it back and we gave it back is not in itself absolving yourself of the underlying crime. so i'm just thinking that we have to have a broader conversation here about that. but look, think again, i see as i said at the top, we should follow the facts wherever they lead, we should understand what president trump knew, when he knew it, and from there we will be able to have a broader conversation. >> everybody is learning the term -- right now, and when he knew. i think some of the revelations of alaska police are extremely significant, and you differentiate this case from the case of biden and pence, and you know, i don't think time is of the essence. justice delayed is justice

denied, and the closer this gets to the primaries, the more politicized this becomes, not less. and i know, having briefly worked for attorney general garland, he's a very deliberate, careful person. now is also the time for deliberate speed, and terms of just recognizing the reality that the further -- >> when it is too late? >> this becomes incredibly politicized of this waits. >> when? >> there is no magic date. but the closer we get to the primaries. if trump remains the front runner. it's hard for the other candidates, we'll talk about that maybe later on, to define themselves when there is this uncertainty around the front runner by a lot. and so, i think, obviously not rushing the investigation anyway, but it's time to put the cards on the table. and we need to see what's really true so we can stop guessing, and actually move forward. >> i just want to say quickly, jack smith the special counsel will follow the law and the facts. we are forgetting there is also the special counsel, without any leaks, who is investigating the biden situation. and that special counsel also

report to the a.g. his analysis of the law on the facts. each will be decided on its own. of course the obstruction, i think, will tip the balance. each special counsel is doing their job. >> i appreciate you pointing that out. also, former president trump denies all wrongdoing, though he does not deny having the documents. he has talked often about having these classified documents, but he denies that it was wrong for him. >> and that's given the presumption of innocence. in the very constitution, he said we should suspend, should protect him and given presumption of innocence. >> thank you for pointing that out. john, excellent point, thank you very much everyone. all right, gop presidential candidate tim scott going on the u to fight back against the latest ideas about racism. but it was these comments that most upset the audience. >> disney, has been in the combat zone for a number of months over what i thought was the right issue as it relates to our young kids and what they are being indoctrinated with.

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>> he's one of these guys who, you know, he's like clarence thomas, black republican who believes in pulling yourself by your boot straps rather than to

me understanding that systemic racism that african americans face in this country, and other minorities. he doesn't get it, neither does clarence. >> right. >> and that's why they are republicans. >> well, that is the comments that tim scott prompted him to go on the view today to fight back. here's what he said in response. >> one of the things i think about, and one of the reasons i'm on the show was cause of the comments frankly that were made on the show, the only way for a young african american kid to be successful in this country is to be the exception and not the rule. that is a dangerous, offensive, disgusting message to send to our young people today that the only way to succeed is by being the exception. i will tell you that if my life is the exception, i can't imagine -- >> it is. >> but it's not actually. >> we are joined now by co-host of the fifth column paulus, michael monahan. he's joining our panel along with jessica, joe, and jay, they are all back. okay so just to get your thoughts on both of those

perspectives? >> yeah, it is fundamentally confusing to me what tim scott's perspective is, because his idea of what this country is just does not completely matchup. what i would say is, he says he's not the exception, but he clearly is. you know, i think there are a lot of black americans who are able to be financially successful in this country that definitely exist, but it is not the rule. i think the rule in this country is it is really hard to escape poverty, it is really hard to escape systemic racism. and i think you try and hackers if those things are not real, i think there's a real disservice to, you know, efforts to try and mitigate those issues. >> i think joy bay her as comments, note that she wasn't there today. >> i know? >> that was a bit curious. >> she's off on mondays. >> is she a barber? she's off on mondays. that comment by her's offensive and stupid. especially when it's coming from the white lady on the panel who is telling black

people how to be black. is there anything more offensive? it presumes, first of all, that there's only one way to be black, and the arbiter of that is the lady on the view. and tim scott, a lot of policy disease that i agree with, i think he handled so very well today. he was willing to go into the lions den, and he did it with a smile on his face. >> he couldn't lose by going on there, why not go on there? he's pulling at one and 2% behind ramaswamy, and he went there and he did well. republicans are really happy about this, as on twitter today. it's already very, very. well >> joe, is it possible that both -- they are both right? i don't mean joy, i mean the argument that there is systemic racism, and he is an exceptional person. obviously that he's an exceptional person, that he's overcome whatever life challenge he had. his point is, and there's progress that has been made, in my life suggests that everyone else can do. it >> look, i think the problem

is senator scott is making a very salient point poorly. i think democrats are triggered by that phrase, whether it's a systemic, or whether they're triggered by indoctrination's. republicans are also triggered by the word systemic. i don't know a single republican of note in the country who would disagree with the notion that we have a multi generational failure for black and brown communities when it comes to our schools, when it comes to safety in urban environments. there -- is >> i think the reality is there's a word for that. it is called systemic. so people talk about the outcome without actually finding their way to actually articulate the word. every republican talks about what happened in chicago year, after year. talks about what happens in urban environments year, after year. that we have black children trapped in failing schools because -- >> so it's a semantics problem you are saying? >> i think it is partially a semantics problem. the other part of it, i think is to your point, that there are people on the left to have decided that there is only one

way to be a black person, only one way to be a spanish person. and i think it is, the soft bigotry of low expectations that has become acceptable in polite society, that we are always going to talk about white privilege when it actually comports with the way that black people are supposed to act, which in of itself, becomes a problem for what is happening in this country since its inception. >> okay. >> i just wonder this in context, we are in june, this means the supreme court's gonna overturn affirmative action as we know, in the context of university missions, of a broader, and more weather as well. i take your point, there are certain words that become electrified. and automation, if we get to talk about that, is certainly one of those. there are also words that are created in order to the electric, like they were grooming, which was a big deal last year, which is weaponize against my community. and it does seem as though talking about systemic issues, that word systemic's block. i guess where i slightly disagree as i just wish that you took the word systemic out, but we still look at policies that try to address the sort of

recurring patterns that are -- in front of lord saying the word systemic, that calm generation after generation for people of color in this country. if we actually look at some of the policies, there is a disagreement between the two major parties, and we are going to see that in the supreme court. so where the rubber hits the road beyond the words, there is a profound difference, and that for me, again, i think both sides of this maybe did not say very well. i don't think joy behar that was our most critical particular moment necessarily, there is a difference here, it's not just a matter of language. >> i would agree, but i think it's bigger than joy bexar, right? i think you can go all the way back to malcolm x who said that the greatest threat to black power and black independence were white liberals from the north, there was no difference between the northern walls -- the northern wolf in the southern fox. at some point we should be having a conversation about what policies work in a policies don't work. surely we're not going to have all the agreements in the world, but i do think that at some point this conversation becomes the very manifestation of the

ugliness that many people say they are trying to rig the country of. >> jessica, one of the things that he was trying to say was that there has been so much progress made. and he wants to lean into that, that there's been a lot of progress, and he gave the example of his grandfather, i think, who had to step off the sidewalk to allow a white pedestrian to walk by. >> that's notable, do you think that his point, that he is the evidence of progress, he is exhibit a of progress, and not that he is highly exceptional? >> i get his point of things are better, and they are obviously better, and i think there's no way to argue that. i mean, i am younger than tim scott and have certainly experienced racism, so i think to argue that this is no longer an issue does not make sense. i think by focusing so much on this idea of, we have made progress so let's not talk about it, it makes -- it you just make it so easy for other people. i think you particularly make it easier for a white people when their voices coming from a black person. i think that is really what

worries me. >> i mean, in fairness to tim scott, he does not say that it's not an issue. i mean, tim scott has spoken quite eloquently, and frequently all being stopped by the police. these sorts of things are -- the problem with these debates as these binary debates. like, it's either everything or is nothing. i do think it is a pretty good job of saying in a look, there is a black middle class that is getting, bigger and bigger every year. it is very different in 1920, it's very deep in the 1960, is very different in 1980. so there has been progress, he does not deny that racism exists. he does -- i mean i think that the problem is one actually of language, is that you end up having these definitional conversations about what is systemic? you tend to not have any conversations about policies and solutions. >> my parents were born in the late 40s, early 50s, right? i watched my father, the earliest image of my childhood weeping when i watch jesse jackson talking about hands that pick cotton will help pick this president for election. i watched all of my friends weeping when we had barack

obama talking about we do not have a black america or white america, we have united states of america. the problem i think does come down to language, because the question becomes, does the language have the sincerity that allows people to take the words seriously? we know that people can take that language and put it in context when we agree with the person that is articulating that sentence. when they disagree with the underlying politics, they have effectively toss all of it away which becomes a problem when we have these really, i think, nuanced conversations. >> friends, thank you very much for this nuanced conversation. all right, we should return in when it went down about moderates our cnn republican presidential town hall with former president mike pence. that is live at 90 am eastern only on cnn. okay, the debate over books is getting biblical. a utah school recently pulled the bible from its school libraries, and now it is considering a new request to pull the book of mormon. we will discuss all of that

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>> utah school district recently pulled the bible from elementary and middle school shelves after an anonymous complaint. now, another complaint once the book of mormon polled for violent content like depictions of battles, beheadings, and kidnappings. this is just the latest battle in the nationwide fight over which books students can read in school, my panel is back with me. jay, you are a rabbi, so bible fan? >> i definitely think the bible does not belong on bookshelves according to this current logic where kids can't handle anything, and they are just robots and have to censor everything that might be triggering. the bible has descriptions, you know, of rape, sexual violence, incest, genocide, attempted genocide, genocide by the good guys, right? and killing a bunch of young

children. >> so could elementary schools be allowed to read? it >> this is the perfect time to realize this whole logic of censorship is stupid. it's stupid weather tunnel after whether it's on the right. this is ridiculous. the claim that we should be going after books like heather has two mommies is absurd, the idea that children automatons when you put a book in the library that that means they're going to turn out a certain way is ridiculous. and this is a great way to talk about it because if you really look at what's in the bible, of course it should not be in all these shelves if it's true that students cannot had any sensitive material. so i'm delighted that this controversy is happening. >> joe, you also look like you have a response. >> look, i think we're not really having a conversation about books, or having a conversation about trust, or lack of trust. and i think that the reality that we have been mace facing many communities across this nation is that we no longer have faith in our neighbors, and that is reflected in our politics, it is also becoming manifested or politics. >> or teachers? >> i think, teachers are our

neighbors, right? on some basic level we need to recognize that if we are not going to have a real conversation about how do we get back to loving one another, how do we get back to having conversations with people we disagree with, we are going to continue to have these displays that just, ultimately, put the insanity of all this on broadway. >> michael? >> we don't really think this is about the kids, do we? do we really think that there are kids and utah that are like i'm going to go at lunch break and read the bible in the library? this is not happening, this is exactly what happens when you allow parents to wage culture wars via kids. i did a story in florida where i talk to somebody who was going up against crt stuff, then it was sometime during the interview where i realize he didn't have children. not that he did have children in school, he didn't have children, he was a culture warrior. he was somebody who got imbued with these ideas, you know, all the channels that are going after this now. i understand some of it, i understand that people are sensitive about some of the

stuff, but to say that the book of mormon, or the bible has scenes of violence, okay, what does one go after the diary than frank? >> they did go after the dire event frank, they censor the tire and frank was he was a teenager who had sexual bots, that there's a teenager who doesn't have sexual. thoughts everyone's going after something. >> everyone's going after something, and that's exactly right. it's a trans partisan issue. if you go back to search the other day for huckleberry fin. now, it's all pinnacle -- it's been a controversial book for a long time. 1957, governor wagner at the time said let's take it out of school. in 1957. this happens, and that's not necessarily something from the, right right? i don't know where this protest comes from. it can come from someone who is of one religion, or someone who approaches violence, whatever it might be. >> which is pretty telling, we couldn't even tell of this from the left or right. >> my understanding of this is that it is kind of malicious compliance thing. so there is this law in utah where they are trying to ban all the different types of

books, mostly kind of focused on, you know, queer, different things they find objectionable. this was someone he was trying to point out the asserted t of this law, this isn't someone who necessarily thinks the bible is terrible, but they are saying if we are going to go after all these things because it make us uncomfortable, or they have an ideology that makes us uncomfortable, like people who don't want to have books about two moms, things like that. okay, let's apply the letter of the law. and if you do, if you apply that, that obviously something like the bible is gonna fall under. that >> and it's working, it was pulled off of elementary school shelves. >> for sure, and i think a point of the kind of absurdity, and i think a lot of school districts are not going to like this, i think maybe they're hoping they're going to get this law rollback. >> i think it also comes back to the stuff we see even in tennessee, right? with the banning of the drag chose, then get overturned by the court because it's not only that people are andrei engaging in the culture wars at the government level in the community level, they are doing it poorly. and they're doing it sloppily. and they're doing it in such a way that it makes it actually

impossible for the underlying concerns, that may be justified, to be differentiated from the bigotry. it always gets attached to illegitimate issues. i think that becomes a broader issue that we are seeing here. now even in utah as we speak. >> jay? >> i mean, you know to bengals point earlier, it is often -- we sat here talking about a ban on transgender reality, which banner we've been talking about? this is basically, again, using the children, save the children, anita bryant says the 1970s, it was a lie then it's a lie now. this is -- of course a culture war. choosing censorship, it's oppression to simply make it harder for some people to grow up in a place where they think they might belong. >> all right, guys, thank you very much. now to this, when was the last time you rated an uber ride less than five stars? everyone seems to have a near perfect score. why is that? what are we afraid of? the concept of five stars next. and also, we will reveal what

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♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >> my first night on the job. on the old j o b. >> it's your first night driving? >> first night driving the uber? pretty sweet gig though, i make my own hours. you know, i could hookup if you want to be an uber driver. >> i'm all right, i already have a job. >> yeah, but you could be ceo of your own car! >> i am a ceo. >> of uber? oh my god, is this undercover boss? is that a camera? >> what rating would you give that driver?

a five obviously. according to a new wall street journal report, it does not matter. quote, custom ratings have become meaningless, and quote. riders are giving up five star ratings willy-nilly. okay, do you guys give five star ratings? >> all the time. >> and do you do to? >> yes. >> i do. i feel bad, because sometimes i'm in the car, i'm like this person's going to get me killed. but then i'm like, this person has to make a living, this person as a family to feed. and so, what was the person that gives a one star review that costs him the opportunity to make a living. >> i understand, joe, i understand. but if they are going to get you killed and they're a hazardous driver, wouldn't you be saving someone else's life by giving them a one star? >> that is an excellent when you look at it, and yet i, can't bring myself to do. it >> amazing. that is amazing. >> why do you get five stars willy-nilly? >> there is two is it looking at this. the one, is what a lot here producer and i say that i do it because i care about their job, and i thought about it later and what it really is.

when you go less than five, this one asking your questions as to why, and they're like why did you do this? and i'm like you know what? i don't have time. it's a five, and we're done. >> the i-5 all the time to, because they i'm scared not. do they know where i live. >> yes. they claim they're not connected, they know where you live. >> it seems like they do know, exactly where you live, they just dropped off a second ago. that's why i'm scared to do it. okay but guys, we also happen to have looked up what your ratings are. are you guys -- give fires it cause your freight you're drivers also gonna you? poorly >> of course. >> you do, yes. >> it's a lot of lies going on here. >> joe, are you afraid for your reading? >> you're hoping it's a mutual rating society. >> here's what we find of what you got. we will start with michael, you got a lot of five stars. >> a lot of five stars. yes. >> 450 35 stars. >> look at that, amazing. >> 21 for storms. >> 15 three stars.

>> not. great >> 32 stars. >> yeah. >> i don't know how you would get a two star. >> you got 81. stars >> okay. >> what did you do in those eight cars? >> i think i probably passed? out that's my guess? i get uber's when i'm out, because i'm not gonna drive, i take an uber. and sometimes i might, you know, falsely from the car or something. but in that wall street journal, a female uber driver said i do not pick up somebody with a four point 79 because i think they might be a murder. i am -- four point >> you are four point. it >> you know who has a 4.7? nine joe does. joe, you have 16 ones star ratings. >> i know. >> what did you do joe? >> i had the high crime misdemeanor trying to call the boomers for my mother, my father, and my ads. i think is a bit of ageism happening here with the wrap,

-- >> so you are blaming your mother and aunt? >> on a very real conversation, you call your father, dad the cars outside. >> i can't hear you. car cancels, you get one star. so that happens a lot of the time, i do think on a very serious note if you think about all the people who are there who don't have uber colors for them, it becomes a very difficult transition to try to make sure you can get from point a to point b. >> okay you injure. you're right, you redeemed yourself. >> he did blame his mother. >> you are just passing. now >> i was just playing myself, i'm not blaming members of my family. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. all right coming up, some of your favorite reporters are here coming to talk about some of the stories are working on for tomorrow. we'll be with them momentarily. okay. i'll w work on that. save 50% on n the sleep number limited edition smart bed.

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