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documents. also, kaitlan, tell us about your reporting and why investigators don't is chalk this up to a pool plumbing problem? >> allison, they very well could. it could be a pool plumbing problem, we are in many reporting that says that they got to the bottom of why the pool draining led to the flooding of the very room where i.t. equipment and surveillance videos being kept around a time when the justice department also wanted access to surveillance video, but you know, this is one of those things that just fits into a series of events where we know they have been asking questions about that very surveillance footage. and whether anybody wanted to possibly tamper with, if whether there was a possibility that there could be gaps in it. we know they have also been asking questions of witnesses about conversations people had related to this surveillance footage, and the keeping of the surveillance footage. so we're just going to have to wait and see if it works to become part of something, but it is something that is a piece

of this obstruction investigation we are picking up. on >> kaitlan, i know that my panelists have many questions for. you john, this seems like an awfully complicated sabotage plan. doesn't it? >> it does. it's a bank shot. >> but they haven't even -- the material itself wasn't damaged. it doesn't sound like it was damaged. >> that's what i want clarification on from kaitlan. one, it's like a water logged rosemary woods situation where we lost critical tape? and second of all, normally when people have i.t. equipment they don't put it in a place that floods easily. so where did that screw up begin? >> yes, i've tried to get to the bottom of exactly how of lot happened in this particular room, and how the pool draining -- how that water would end up inside a room rather than doubt a drain, or you know, going out to the ocean since mar-a-lago is right there. but, it is one of the things that we know the prosecutors are asking about because there

has been a history of mistrust between the justice department and the trump team. and of course in american history there have been many, many cases where prosecutors to ask questions about things like this. whether a piece it together, that is another thing. but you know, there is an issue here where there is a question of what people intended to do, and that sometimes is just as important as what actually happened. we know that there is testimony right now that the video surveillance footage, it was not damaged. but that might not actually be that material to what the prosecutors are trying to figure out here. >> that was miguel's question. so miguel, they don't know if they have all of these surveillance tapes? >> they do not know that, from what i understand. on the spectrum of things that are odd about things in donald trump's world this seems to be on the low end of the pool. >> thank you very much, thank

you. >> just prepare yourself, everyone. kaitlan emma right about that? they do have some surveillance tapes, the prosecutors, but they don't know if they have all of them? >> that's right. well no actually, i think they believe they have received the surveillance tapes back. anytime we've heard from anyone who was on the trump legal team, qin parlatore was just on cnn a couple hours ago saying when there were surveillance video requested, the team was able to turn it over, at least the trump organization was. but throughout this entire time, there were multiple requests for surveillance footage. essentially every time they were new documents being found at mar-a-lago, the justice department would come back and seek, or tell the trump organization protect that surveillance footage. and at some point in time in the fall, one of the men who is being looked at as being part of this obstruction investigation, we know that he was being spoken to and

questioned by the fbi about the surveillance footage, and what he was captured doing on the surveillance footage, moving boxes with the very other man who we believe is the person that during the pool. >> oh, okay, okay, that's interesting. >> who's the owner of the pool? >> the owner of the polish donald trump. >> so he is notorious for taking things on truth social, and downplaying stuff. i wonder caitlin, has he had all commented about this? >> i have not seen that yet, i think that much of the attention from donald trump on truth social today has been on the justice department meeting that his lawyers were able to get today. they had asked to go to maine justice to speak to the attorney general, they did not exactly get a meeting with attorney general mayor garland, but they did get special counsel interim. there has been a reaction from that, saying essentially publicly that he believes he could be indicted. >> okay so let's talk about that. we know the trump lawyers, as you say, went and met with jack

smith. and so what does that tell us kaitlan? >> i'm not exactly sure what that tells us other than it is indicating to us that the trump team believes that they are at a pivotal moment in this investigation. we do have a lot of reason to believe that this investigation is nearing its and because of the amount of steps the justice department has taken to nail down evidence here. getting donald trump's defense attorney to turn over his notes and you testified to a grand jury under the crime fraud exception, that is a really big step. but there has also been a scouring of mar-a-lago in every way, not just looking at the pool and the server room, but also, from what i'm told, nearly everyone who works there by the fbi and also through grand jury subpoenas. and so all of that put together indicates that the investigation may be coming to a close. and this is the sort of step that a defense team might want

to take if they believe an investigation is coming, it is get an audience with the people in charge and make their case. >> harry, do you have a question? >> just, i as an consumer of this she wasn't paying a lot of close attention. how many different cases are there right now? and where do they all stand? >> you're gonna make hail into math right now. okay? kaitlan do you know how many open investigations there are? >> well in the federal system, in the full federal system i don't know the full amount of open investigations. but the ones that we follow, and the ones about donald trump right now, we know that there's a federal investigation being led by special counsel jack smith and he is looking at two sides of the coin, which has been publicly stated by the attorney general that he is looking into the situation with documents at mar-a-lago, had about trump potentially after the presidency. and also he's looking at january 6th, that is another thing that is clearly under

special counsel jack smith purview, if there are spin-off cases, if those cases come to gather or crossover in some way that remains to be seen. but you know, there was already a new twist today and some of the public reporting in that we have been following, grand jury activity being led by the special counsel in washington, d.c., for months and months. it is a secret grand jury but you see witnesses and their lawyers coming in and out of the federal courtroom, courthouse, and now we do know there is a grand jury in florida that is also going to hear witnesses this week related to the documents case out of mar-a-lago. so we are going to make sense of that as much as we can, but it takes a lot of reporting to try and see. and it might not be something we know exactly how this is going to function as individual cases, or spin-off cases, or maybe no cases in court until there is some sort of finality from the special counsel's office. >> well, we always appreciate

your reporting. and thank you for always bringing on the latest on your great reporting, and i like that you are going to even take a stab at how many federal cases there were, not even involving -- to answer his question. that is very ambitious of you, thank you for even trying. were you counting up how many you think that there are? were you -- >> yeah, but you go out of the georgia fickle actress case, then you've got new york, you are the hush money case, you've got the stick -- i think it's at least five outstanding that we know of. but again, you know, until those going forward ulcers open investigations. >> all right, harry, i that answers your question. >> i feel like i got it. >> you feel satisfied? >> the numbers have been answered. >> caitlin, thank you for everything we really appreciate you. coming up, the field is getting crowded, it's not just the republicans. harry's gonna tell us who is entering the race for president, and who is becoming a bigger factor than you might have expected.

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hosting a twitter interview with democratic president joe candidate robert f. kennedy junior today. during the interview, kennedy claim that democrats had turned into republicans. >> if you ask about vaccines, you are trump republican. and if you had a religious belief in their efficacy and safety that could not be questions you are a democrat. and so i watched that, all that play out and watch the democrats slowly become these pro corporate, pro war, pro censorship propublica -- what had once been republicans. >> well the latest cnn polling shows that among democrats, and democratic leading voters, robert f. kennedy junior gets 20%. harry enten has been following the story for us, how many people were surprised on this panel are of color 20% right right now?

not with the polls. >> no, i mean, it's name recognition. is that what it. is or is it more? >> i would argue that it's perhaps, a little bit more. yes, that's part of. it name recognition. the kennedy brand is so strong within the democratic party. who are these democrat leading voters, they do it well amongst. them and, it is in fact, is the senate leading democrats. the democrat leading part of that equation. and it's those, that consider themselves either moderate or conservative. if you look at the numbers, when you look amongst, those the primary support a month moderates or independents, joe biden was up by six points there. and robert is getting 35% of the vote. so it's not these liberal democrats, of progressive democrats, that would call himself -- and if you look at those democrats, who called them selves, strong democrats, where is robert f. kennedy junior's favorable rating? look at this. his rating is just 27%, but an

favor rating among the strong democrats is 50%. robert f. kennedy junior strength is in fact, not within the democratic base. it is actually, amongst those in the middle, who could potentially phone the democratic primary, which makes sense but i think would be perhaps a little bit surprising given robert f. kennedy's junior history of sort of seeing himself as a lefty democrat. >> yes, i'm not buying the federal-ization of this, because i think it's excused beyond moderate independent. if you look the underlying appeal of robert f. kennedy, first of, all the name i.d. of the kennedy brand. it is a proxy for, is biden to. and, then it's getting into, how much is about bobby kennedy junior's position. is it about his skepticism about vaccines, which had been an issue on the left that migrated right? is it about environmentalism, i'm guessing that's actually probably not the prime driver, and it's probably not about the culturally conservative catholic democrat on the

committee ran, and that's why i'm going here. so i think, probably, it's not about moderates independents, as much as an appetite for alternative to biden. and, a little bit about the kennedy brand. and a little bit -- >> so, i actually, looked it wasn't that big of a difference between those who approved of joe biden disapprove of joe biden and support for kennedy. but, i would make the argument that someone like jack dorsey, who, has endorsed the former head of twitter who did he donate to back the 2020 campaign. he is a gafford type person. and the type of crypto people, these people who think i am smarter than the average individual. and i want to go away from the democratic friend. those types of people are the ones that rfp junior are doing well on, months and when we talk about moderate conservative independents of democrats it is not that sort of tradition. >> that's exactly what i mean, the labels don't meet anything. they overlap between chelsea kefir and that's just a nonsense conversation. >> do these polls matter this

far out? i mean people are sort of projecting to the future, i cannot see that they're going to be putting that way in 18 months. >> so, interestingly enough, if you look at the history of primary polling, is it at this point, necessarily predicted, the primary stone take place in 18, months the primaries can take place in 78 months depending on the year. but, what we know is that those primary polls are broadly, something that does tell us something about the future, right? so let's, say if you're pulling at 35% or up, those folks tend to win the nomination more often than none, more often than those who are pulling 20% or more, those people don't tend to win nomination, so joe biden, are pulling about 60% and that's a very strong position. he is very, very likely to win the democratic position given the polling. but i still think it's an interesting, inside sort of where to democratic party us at this particular point, that someone like kennedy, can in fact -- >> we'll, now tell us about the republican side. who's getting in this week? >> so, listen, everybody's in the. poll you're talking about polls on the last segment.

let's talk about polls. again folks that are getting in this week, a lot of former governors, or current governors, so we have chris christie, former governor of new jersey who is expected to announce this week. we've got doug burgum, who is in fact the governor of north dakota this week. and, perhaps, we have former vice president mike pence who, in fact, filed today. and, if we look right now where they are pulling. it's not exactly good. so, trump needs the gop field, 54%. mike pence, tied for third percent. and fourth place, 50 points we had. later kristie, 1%. , bergen percent tied for seventh place. but again, there's so many candidates that are jumping in that poll at this point. it's going to be really difficult for any of these local candidates to jump ahead. one other little nugget of note, about chris christie, he obviously ran in 2016, he was a fan of donald trump, no longer the idea of the candidacy to go after donald trump.

here is the one thing of why i feel that with a little skepticism, and that is if you look at chris christie's unfavorable rating at this point, among gop voters, it is, get, this 44% which is the second worst ever for a republican candidate running for the republican nomination among gop voters in the gym before the primary, since 1980. so, chris christie, not a very popular guy amongst republican. >> well, whose first? >> this is the fun question. >> there you go. come on! >> who do you think is first? >> i genuinely don't know, this is one asking otherwise i -- >> the answer is actually donald trump. >> there you go. >> donald trump in 2016, before he got. and remember, he launched his candidacy in the middle of june of 2015 when he launched his candidacy, he saw a major jump in his favorable ratings, -- so >> you're saying there's a chance? >> there is a chance, but let's just say i think that people have a far better idea of who chris christie, is who necessarily knew what donald

trump would bring to the equation in 2015. >> well, gary, you know about this better than, i but i don't like when somebody's not even in the race yet by helping them up. >> and i understand, he's at 1%, i know the odds are stacked against him, but anything is possible. we still have a year to go. >> yes, we still have seven months to go and if you had asked me a lifetime ago what they would be sitting on this panel with the esteemed fellow panelists -- i would say, there's no chance. some miracles do in fact -- >> it is your dream. this is a miracle. i do agree. but here's the thing i would note, there is time remaining and know we don't count anybody out, but if you look at history, and when you see someone who's pulling in donald trump's position and you see someone's pulling in chris christie's position, the chance of chris christie, becoming the nominee while certainly is not zero is very, very small. there is one person who history would suggest has a real shot of winning a nomination, it's not donald trump. it's someone like ron desantis. who, is obviously pulling

significantly higher in a low twenties, then someone like a chris christie at this point. >> well, as you said, you are personification of the dreams coming true. so, anything is possible. >> all right, thank you very much for all of that reporting. >> meanwhile, california officials are opening an investigation into two plane loads of migrants. arriving in sacramento. apparently, from texas. but how is florida involved? paula has a new reporting, next. ♪

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a second private plane carrying

migrants have landed in sacramento california with at least 20 people on board. the plane with 16 migrants, arrived in the city on friday. both flights, currently originated in texas but the passengers also cared documents, indicating they were in florida at some point. california officials condemned the flight as stunts by politicians from other states. okay, paula is covering this for us. so, who sent them there? who's behind the stunt, if that's what it is. >> alison, it seems like history is repeating itself. we called it late last, year with these flights to margaret's vineyard, the governor of florida, ron desantis, taking credit for. that and, right now, according to the attorney general in california, it seems that that is where the paper trail is leading. investigators with the department of justice there, in the state, our colleague isabelle is reporting all day that that is the working theory right now as they continue to speak to the migrants that were flown from el paso, eventually ended up at the capital of california, two flights in all.

and, we know, at this point it is really what the attorney general's stay, issuing a statement today. what bob montes is saying, he saying that he continues to collect evidence. he's still speaking to, again, the migrants and calling this a state sanction kidnapping which is why the investigators are actually looking into this right now, calling this a moral, calling it disgusting as well. and, also, the attorney general saying something interesting. saying that some of these migrants, basically, were approached in el paso. and they were recruited to take part in these, flights just like what we saw last year. and, that they were working under the assumption that they would be providing housing, employment, and various other benefits when they arrived in california which, much of that was not true. we have reached out to florida officials, they still have not heard back and also my viewers have said this recent legislation that governor desantis introduced the path which, entitles the state about

$12 million emergency funding for the state relocation program. which they have tapped into. >> doesn't it happen to migrants arriving in your state? is it governor desantis taking migrants from texas, and rick locating them but? this governor abbott okay with that? how is that happening? >> reminder, now this is our republican candidate, and it is one that is continuing to rate, and it's going to be one of the big hot button issues, come election day and this is likely going to be one of the reasons why -- he's not really shy about talking about the martha's vineyard flight. so, again, we are still waiting to hear back from regarding these particular flights. but in terms of california officials, they are strongly condemning this, and we also had an opportunity to hear the lawyers for civil rights, group and the group of texas representing some of the asylum seekers that were transported to martha's vineyard. they have representatives, right, now on the ground in sacramento. they're speaking to these asylum seekers and the paperwork originated from

florida, and they could potentially join this class action lawsuit. >> i mean, why would ron desantis shy way from this if he's running from the republican nomination. from which he. is because we think back to 2015, who was the number one issue that trump ran on back then? it's immigration. taking a hard line on immigration, and if i recall correctly, every single one of the exit polls, and immigration on the republican side trump won those votes. >> it is not the fight that confuses me. it is him going to another governor's territory and doing it. he is not -- >> it's also very expensive. >> so running from president, all of a sudden you could move people around the country at will. >> can you? >> no, you can't actually, that's clearly the theory behind the hole which is all about playing the debates. and also, i think legitimately, raising awareness about the problem that's been on the

border by moving it beyond. >> i agree with you, there has been an upside, i think to this, because then the northern states, that don't normally deal with this have had to roll up their sleeves and figure out -- >> for sure. so, in fact, i'm even reluctant to say stud because i think it's on all of our shoulder. so, everybody in the country has to be able to deal with this. but i just don't understand. it's governor abbott cool with this? >> while, he's also been using emergency funds out of the state of target, to provide -- this is something that we've seen before. but also, really important to remember that the asylum seekers have told me, time and time again, on the border, they don't plan to stay in these border communities long term. what you hear from these republican governors, texas, and florida, is that they want to provide relief to the border communities. but the reality is, these asylum seekers, they're just sort of making their way through these community. their end goal is, california, chicago, washington d.c. and nearly 47,000 of those in the care of new york city in the

empire state as well. so, some might see this as he is giving these asylum seekers a transportation that they normally would have to pay for. and instead on the private charter, flying to california. >> california officials say that they want to charge somebody criminally with this, but i can't see, who what they charge and for what? >> well we have heard these versions from these migrants on the ground that they were approached by the individuals who painted a really pretty picture about life in california, so there might be maybe some leverage there. but we have to see exactly where that investigation. leads there looking into the possibility of person criminal charges, and -- one little nugget from the polling that you spoke about earlier hinted at, alison, it was essentially that we all have to share the burden. and maybe now new york is experiencing what those border towns have been experiencing for a long time, and we know from the polling, new york city voters say that they don't believe the city can handle all of these migrants and more than

that new york city voters are very happy or perfectly fine with sending some of the folks upstate. which has been one of those big issues of rockland county, i can't recall which. >> both. >> both? where the county commissioner's like, wait a second. and it's quite a -- >> people have felt differently than they had just theoretically talking. >> but the key different is that many don't want to stay in texas but they do stay in new york and all these other cities that we mentioned for the proceeding of their. -- >> it could also eliminates some of the pressure by granting work tickets. speeding up the process, of work authorizations and that continues to be the heart of this issue regardless of whether the number of asylum seekers are arriving here in new york, up or down the reality is that they're all over the country but here in new york along the 27,000 and they're still in the care of new york city. so the argument that we continue to keep hearing from city officials is that

president biden, please expedite these work operation so we could get these to work and pay their way out of the cities. >> paulo, very thank you for that. already making an impact on the presidential election, john has a new reporting on what is reality. when we come back. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send thright message at the right time, every time. ( ♪ constant contact. helping thsmall stand tall.

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we're in the a.i. revolution, the now apparently everywhere -- they are reporting on this so

john you're already seeing fake campaign ads? what are you seeing? >> we've talked for a long time about the danger of disinformation in our politics and misinformation and the rest of a.i.. now, these two are coming together and you're already seeing it make -- and the rnc to put, out and add that it was all basically a.i. generated content showings from a dispute -- should biden be reelected. and, the streets of san francisco, being shut down and martial law and things like. this this is actually a relatively restrained use of a, i compared to some of the other blatant disinformation, not put up by institutional actors. and the trump campaign, always leading into some of a trollish posture to its competitors, and we're seeing a big twitter spaces, where desantis campaign is featuring some low lights

from human history. >> hold on, hold up. this is president trump's campaign, that is fake. and it's pretending to be a rhonda scent this campaign that? >> no, iran desantis twitter spaces, which, remember when he had the botched launch -- so, yes, this is their nightmare version of what a twitter spaces -- >> how is anybody supposed to be able to tell what's real? >> well, this is the issue. that obviously is a troll, a very transparent one. but, you see other things come out, like we've seen fake announcement of an explosion at the pentagon, or an image of donald trump being arrested. these are totally fabricated. non institutional actors. and, the dangers that these things is go viral. and, of course, that starts, it sets off the rib of disinformation. and i think we need to confront the fact that we are going to be seeing more of this coming. up and people maybe subsets double to it, so that may be talking about what kind of regulations can be put in place. >> well, what is the answer? >> don't look to me.

i can figure out the regulations, and how we're gonna monitor the situation. but i would say that this fear that john is putting out there is a fear that a lot of americans do have. >> they should. >> they should have. it >> i think most people look at stuff online now and they think, their first question is, is that real. >> do you think they're discerning enough? >> people want to the very low end of the internet very quickly after all the talk of whether to bring freedom and democracy into everything else, but i think we've been through this, for a while. now, and i would hope, i would think that people are a little more interested. and i think there's plenty said -- that people aren't necessarily, gravitating towards courts. and in fact, the eu is pushing one solution, which is actually to make the platform possible for identifying a i generated content as a way of lagging for people on screen, if you. will, but that's going to have its limits. because this is a game of whack-a-mole, which is of course the problem.

>> does the u.s. have any plans for the presidential -- it's a strong concrete plan. >> aspirations, goals but i think it really just goes to show that we need to get our act together and fast. the industry is crying out for regulation, congress, if there are some bills, they're being put forward. but this is all happening so fast. and always, are lost, like behind tech innovation. but this is critical of the for democracy. so, let's get off, they've got to start dealing. >> well, it's important to point out that when you're showing that example, i don't know you saw that they put up a label on the top left. you don't see that a whole lot. we're using this to delay these examples. so, i think, i imagine, it will really be on the platform and on these networks to highlight. it >> yes, i mean, if it ever gets on the networks. the people who are going to believe this garbage are people who are online, they think they're smarter than everybody else, they see a tweet, and they want to go with. did >> the people are going to believe this garbage. if they want to believe this garbage whether it's bad or. otherwise -- >> i would just note, how many

vaccine misinformation was there out. their home with misinformation about the 2020 campaign, and how many people believe the falsehood that the 2020 election was somehow stolen. so, there's definitely a history, a recent history of people in this country willing to believe that things simply untrue. and i would like to think that it's partially on the media but we can't cover every single base to be able to pointed out. >> and i think that's the cnn, poll showing 60% of republicans that still think there was some -- that the 2020 election, is completely basis. and, that's a receptivity problem based on confirmation bias and the sort of hot houses of disinformation or people are siloed and not open to confronting the facts. that's an even deeper problem. >> yes, but i mean, we haven't solved any of that as we approach an a i gallops towards us. >> so, yes, i hope everyone watching has critical thinking skills. >> in the meantime, up next, an update on the mother of the

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a false statement while purchasing a fire arm, that is because when she went into the gunshot in july of 2022, she was doing the federal background check, she asked a question, are you an unlawful use, or or addicted to marijuana, or antidepressants, stimulant, anti -- any other controlled substance? and she checked no. she was using marijuana at the time. marijuana is legal in the state, but virginia is illegal in the feds. so she essentially lied on that form. >> i wonder how they figured it out? >> because she was using marijuana, and the state charges that she faces are felony, child neglect, and fire arm to endanger a child. so that will -- now she is facing federal charges. >> what i think is most interesting about this case is, the same thing i thought was most interesting about the oxford michigan case. france being held responsible. her child is six, results are

obviously the printers responsible did not have the gun locked up in a way she was supposed to. but the idea that parents need to be more responsible around their minor children, meaning under 18, and guns. is this a trend? >> well, sadly it is more of a trend then we would like to admit. there are examples of this in more than one state. >> of paris being charged? >> of children taking their parents guns, but whether or not the parent gets charged is another issue. in this particular case, her lawyer claims that the gun was in the bedroom closet on the top shelf, with a gun lock on it. if you are going to put a gun lock on the gun, you better make sure the kid cannot get the key. he took the gun to school, and for most of the, day this is also a kid who had a history of violence, even though he is six years, old had a disability, there was a lot of background to this. and, south there for most of the day with a, gun at two pm pulls it, out his teacher is

reading, she put her hand up, the boy goes through, hits her in the chest. she survived in the shoulder. but she is now suing the school district as, well because she feels they did not do enough to help out. but, you would like to think that more parents would be held responsible, as someone who went through containing 1000 years ago, that is the one thing that -- so far that you have to secure the, gun you have to make sure. but, look, it sounds like this mother had a trigger lock, which is a step in that direction. the incoherence of federal and state marijuana laws putting that aside, that is a technicality, the issue is it is a six-year-old. you want to blame somebody, the teacher blames the school, people trying to blame the mother because you can't effectively blame a six year old who is the person who pulled the trigger, yet gun manufacturers are sort of protected from any liability. and so, we are pointing a lot

of fingers that different people looking for who to blame, but you know, there is one party that is completely inoculated from that from federal law, that seems to be an incoherence. >> yes, absolutely, we know, this the gun manufacturers are generally protected. the parents in newtown were able to find a loophole, but that is very rare. >> very rare. >> i'm just going to myself, what the heck are we doing? we have children, young children bringing guns to school, being able to get access to i don't know, again, i'm listening to all of you to understand the case a bit better, and we are still able to get it. i just think this goes back to a larger question of, what are we doing in this country on guns, and you know, new hint at, it you said it earlier on, miguel, we talk about responsible gun ownership. something here went clearly

wrong, and this isn't the only example. something is wrong in a lot of different places, and it just honestly is amazing. >> if you introduce a gun into a household, into a school, the likelihood of it being used goes up exponentially. there are just so many guns in this country. whether that trigger lock was properly placed on the gun, whether it was even locked out, all whether the kid had access to the key, all, things kids are very curious about guns when they see them. we do fetishes in our films and pop culture everything else, everything is about guns. you can understand why a kid might want to see, it play with it, go shoot a gun. that is what boys do. >> i think it is just the federal government is presumably sending a message by filing a federal charge against the mom for this particular reason. it is something that at least -- you just do not see very often, the atf form when hugo purchase

a weapon, this is something that clearly is -- >> had she checked, yes she would not have been able to buy the gun. so, marijuana, despite so many states legalizing, it it is still a controlled substance that the federal level. it is still on their. there's even a warning that goes with, this indicating that it may be legal in your state, but it is not legal federally. so if you check -- >> that is a whole different conversation, but it is completely insane. >> yes, but i, mean i guess the larger point, is maybe this will be a deterrent if parents hear about this, case the michigan case, for the parents to just be much more mindful of where their gun is if it is locked, up where the kids, our do they want to have guns in whatever room is accessible? all that stuff, hopefully this will send a message. >> we live and hope. >> gentlemen, thank, you very much great to have you on here. it was actually very fun, thanks for all the reporting. tomorrow on cnn this morning, a

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