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welcome to the next level. this is the lexus nx with intuitive tech safety radar detector: watch for traffic. and our most advanced safety system ever. ♪ good evening. i'm kaitlan collins, and tonight we begin with exclusive cnn reporting. we have learned that prosecutors in the classified documents case, are now zeroing in on a flood that happened on the rounds of mar-a-lago. this was last october, when an employee they're drained the club swimming pool, and as a result, a room that source computer servers, which contains surveillance video logs, flooded. the big question now, was it an accident? or was it intentional? this is reporting that kaitlan poland, jeremy irvine broke on the special counsel's
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investigation, and here's what else we've learned about this situation. federal prosecutors who are investigating trump's handling of classified documents, are now asking about this incident that happened at mar-a-lago last october. the maintenance worker at the club drain the pool, which ended up flooding a nearby room or computer servers, storing surveillance footage, were kept. that happened about two months after the fbi executed a search warrant at the club, and ended up finding hundreds of classified documents. to be clear we don't know if this room was flooded on purpose, or if this is a genuine mistake that happened. what we do know is that this is caught the eye of federal prosecutors, who founded suspicious. we know that they are looking into whether there were any efforts to obstruct the justice department's investigation. and we also know that surveillance footage from mar-a-lago shows the same maintenance worker who drained the pool, moving boxes around the club with another trump aide. that same maintenance worker later had his phone seized by investigators, and also recently talked to them. my colleague kaitlan -- joins us now. kaitlan, obviously a big question here is the timeline. walk us through, as we were reporting this, how this went down. >> well caitlin, this is in october of last year.
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that's when the pool was drained by this maintenance worker, and it flooded that he room at mar-a-lago. not damaging any of the videotape that we know of, but clearly something that was quite suspicious that has happened. and at that point in time last year kaitlin that was when this was the heart of the obstruction investigation. the justice department was not trusting at that time, donald trump and his attorneys that they had turned over all of the classified records in his possession at mar-a-lago. they were headed toward a contempt fight in court, in the fall. we also know that this happened after the fbi search of mar-a-lago. so a point in time after that fbi search, where the justice department we now know went back to the trump organization and either asked for them to preserve surveillance footage or they demanded for them to turn over surveillance footage, a couple of different times to the grand jury as part of this investigation. so, this is really a moment in time where the investigators are narrowing down on the obstruction. threat asking a lot of questions about what might be on the surveillance tapes, about the surveillance tapes themselves, of the people who were moving boxes. and of course, that maintenance worker that is central to the story about this flood, that is a person who was captured on some of those tapes moving boxes, at least at one crucial moment. >> yeah, and so we see how crucial this surveillance footage could be here for this. but this also comes as jack smith, the special counsel who's heading this investigation, actually was in the room with trump attorneys today at the justice department. what do we know about what happened for those 90 minutes
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or so that they were in the same room? >> right, well as far as we know, jack smith was there. we don't have a full understanding of what exactly happened in that meeting. we also know that donald trump 's lawyers were meeting with a top career official in the justice department. so, not the w. turning general or the attorney general himself, but a deputy below those political appointees. but caitlin, this is quite a significant meeting, and a really significant time were donald trump and his defense team clearly we're gaining the understanding that we were in the final stage of this probe. there's been a lot of green jury activity, they have scoured mar-a-lago and the people working around donald trump and there's been a bit of a lull. now, it might not be the very last act in this investigation, because we do believe there is a witness coming into a grand jury in south florida this week. but, this is the sort of meeting that doesn't happen unless you're at the end, and you are a defense team that wants to get a sense of the investigation, or make a case, or make a complaint about how the investigation in its full
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arc has gone. >> yeah, absolutely. and the trump scene seeking to think that there could be movement soon. caitlin -- thank you. and joining me here in studio's new york times maggie haberman, and former federal prosecutor ali on a. thank you both for being here. maggie, you've done extensive reporting on the employees at mar-a-lago who have gone befor e the grand jury, who have been at the center of this investigation. what do you make of this other saga that jack smith's act asking about? >> the pool saga? i mean i think it's all of the piece, which there is who -- is this aide to trump, and there is the maintenance worker slash odd jobs handler, who was involved in a couple of episodes that relate to putting
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a lock on a door, or asking about footage. and i think it is all related to episodes that the doj finds somewhat suspicious. and they are looking for more information about. what they end up doing about, or agreeing with that, i think it's unclear. but they don't believe they are getting the full picture, clearly, from these guys. >> and ali, your former federal prosecutor, when you look at something like this and you hear that they've seized the phone of the maintenance worker here, and they're looking at all this footage, what questions would you have? >> yeah, so the big question here is, what's this on purpose, or was this an accident? now, i completely understand why prosecutors were drawn to this, expression when you consider the timing. there's already been a subpoena at this point, you've already had the search warrant, and doj's are trying to collect the
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surveillance. and now the room where the surveillance is stored is flooded. of course, apparently the surveillance is not damaged, but still, i have questions. and so, if you get the phones you looking for a commute -- you look for, text for an email. if someone gives an order, why. and here's the thing, sometimes people think they've deleted their phones, they deleted their texts, if you to sort of swipe and hit delete. that doesn't delete them. you could still raise those up back in the fbi labs. so i guarantee you they're doing forensics on those phones and looking for that kind of communication. >> and, while we're learning
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all of this, this meeting happened. it's pretty extraordinary to see trump's attorneys going to the justice department, sitting down with jack smith. what is your sense on how trump is responding to this. because he tweeted after he, posted on truth social i should
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say, asking why he would be charged when other presidents have not been charged. >> we'll remember we, don't, although the indications seem that it's likely or the not we. know that the doj just said they're not charging anyone in connection with mike pence, for instance, for documents that he had. i think that's a comparison point. i have been hearing before this meeting took place that trump expected that he was going to be charged, that's not because they have said this time, it's just that he believes this. and i don't think anything to place in this meeting that dispelled that. now, these meetings, and you would know this better than me, doj officials typically prosecutors actually, at any level, keep their cards close to the vest. i don't think this is different
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in this meeting, but i also don't think they came away thinking oh you know, we've solved this. and for somebody like donald trump, who treats everything like it's a deal in exchange in a transaction, i don't think this is gonna -- . >> so what is the thinking behind why he thinks he's going to be charged? is this because of how he's seen this the investigation progress? >> yes, because they keep coming and coming in coming. and they have subpoenaed almost everybody around him, because they appears attorney client privilege in the case of one of his lawyers. and because all indications are that they don't believe what they are being told. >> so maggie is right that, in these meetings, prosecutors do say as little as humanly possible. when i've had these knees, i would say thanks for coming, floor is yours.
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and then in the end i would say, thank you very much, that's. it it's great for prosecutors, because you do get a little bit of a preview of what the defense is likely to be. now, if as i think your reporting caitlin's, the trump team came in there and air grievances. this is unfair, hobbled biden, that kind of. thing then it's a complete waste of an opportunity by the trump teen. it's a tactical mistake, because what good defense lawyers do, is go in and tell prosecutors, here are some holes in your case. you may have a problem with intent, you may not be able to prove some other element. and that can actually make a difference. i take that into account in these types of scenarios. >> i will say, jim trusty, who is one of the lawyers who is there, was actually pretty well regarded at the doj, when he worked there. >> he knows jack. smith >> yet, he knows jack smith. i would be surprised if he walked and didn't handle that professionally. we just don't know how this interaction was handled. but again, i just don't know that it matters at this point. >> the one attorney who wasn't there who is on the trump team, but not on this case and more, is evan corcoran. and you had a really fastening story over the weekend about his detailed notes about his interactions with trump, talking about this very. case >> right, so he re-recorded them into a voice app on his phone, the morning after that he met with trump about the main subpoena. and they were very detailed, almost narrative inform, as if he was a character in this. and, those notes are now something of the doj has access to. and it goes again to mindset, two questions trump was asking, he was asking questions about, do we have to comply with the subpoena. i think trump's team would say, that's just a guy talking to his lawyer, that's not saying that he's not going to. we will see how the doj views. this >> how would the doj view something like that, it specially, and how much could that potentially help, and that there are such detainotes >> soy unheard of to get a recording i ther
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is for where do we have tbut re th the meaning, t here had someth some ongso. that's an indica something ju the attorney-client > and you j th righwe are geta thisi have had many many people connected to this case say to, me there is a lot you guys don't know. i wish they had shared with us, but we're doing o year. but the don't yet >> yeah, but a lot of this has come out from the reporting that they claimed that it was leaked, but a lot of it has come for reporting. >> yet, we're just doing our jobs. >> maggie haberman, elie honig, thank you so much for joining us tonight. up next, there's a new development in other reporting that cnn first broke. former president trump, on tape, talking about classified document that he still had allegedly concerning a potential attack on iran. at the time, he tried to link it to the joint chiefs chairman mark milley, you see here tonight, you'll hear directly from general milley himself on that, perspective from the former trump national security adviser john bolton. re you are or if it's too late. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. allergic reactions to ubrelvy can happen. most common side effects were nausea and sleepiness. migraine pain relief starts with u. ask about ubrelvy. learn how abbvie could help you save. hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this. i made a horrible mistake. ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪
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broke last week, that the former president recorded, was recorded in july of 2021, indicating that he had a classified pentagon document pertaining to a potential attack on iran. and implying that it would counter what his top general, mark milley was saying. those comments were apparently in response to a new yorker article, saying that milley had warned trump against striking iran, reportedly telling trump quote, you're gonna have an effing war. cnn store liebermann spoke exclusively with general mark milley, who is only going to say this about that investigation. >> the former president suggested in a quote by marc let meadows, that it is more desirable to attack iran than to say no. is that what happened? >> well, -- thanks for them to comment. it would be entirely inappropriate for me to comment on that, ongoing federal
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investigation. and i'm not going to do that now. >> not even to clarify what happened? here >> no, i think it's inappropriate. there's an ongoing federal investigation, and not gonna comment one way or another on any of the issues concerning. that >> let's get more insight tonight from former trump national security adviser john bolton. and thank you ambassador for being here, you heard from general min milley they are weighing in. we do know from our reporting that he has spoken to investigators in this case. but when it comes to this document, the trump allegedly had on plans to potentially strike around. do you know which document trump could have been holding in his hands during the recording? >> well, i don't think there's any way of knowing. and given trump's propensity to overstate things, it's entirely possible that he was holding in his hands something like the lunch menu from the bedminster grill that day. and that he was embellishing on what a document that mark milley might have prepared. so this goes to a pretty fundamental point, i don't have any doubt that there are very sensitive documents involved here. but until you actually see them, i think it's important not to kind of overhype what may be a mistake here. particularly with trump, whose
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propensity to bluster, there's actually better word for that, i won't use it on tv. but his propensity to bluster is an ending. >> well, i think there is concern for prosecutors here, that because they clearly want to know more about this. and they brought the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff in to talk about it. and of course, we don't actually know which document trump was holding at that time, if he was simply referencing this document. but what our reporting did show is that the justice department wanted this document, and they sent a subpoena, they made clear to trump's attorneys i was told, that they wanted this document specifically that he was talking about on tape. that trump's attorneys could not locate the document to produce it. so if he was holding that document, and they were unable to find it, and there is a document related to iran out there, how much does that concern you about how it could compromise the u.s. national security? >> we'll, if it were an actual document that, the pentagon
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produced as a war plan, that would be one thing. if it's simply trump making it up as he goes along, that could explain why they can't find it, because it never existed. i mean the other explanation is, he destroyed it. and that would be a very serious matter, because it would show i think clearly, guilty intent that he had of classically classified documents. the idea that you can take though, the real official
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documents the pentagon works on, and kind of spread them around, even to the president, i would be very surprised if they are understandably kept very tightly held, in frequently taken away from the pentagon, and usually removed from the situation room or the oval office with great care when the people who brought them over leave. >> and i should note that you also had a level of concern here that, the just carbon charged a suspected iranian operative last year for allegedly plotting to assassinate you. but on this front of when it comes to the relationship between the trump had between with general milley, what we are observations about trump's views towards chairman milley? >> well, when i was at the white house, this was in the period where the successor to general joe dunford, who was the chairman of the joint chiefs at the beginning of the administration, was going on. in my old personal view is that mark milley should be chairman of the joint chiefs. it happened that the trump agreed with that, and appointed
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him and. i think at the beginning, he was enthusiastic that it was a good. choice and i certainly believed that at the time. i was gone i think what a lot of this interesting material happened, but it's obvious that that relationship between milley and trump soured, as trump's relationship with so many other people soured. >> as we see these investigations ramp up, we're going to wait to see what the special counsel does on this documents investigation. trump is still the front runner for the republican nomination for president. you said you are considering a 2024 run, have you made a decision on that? yet >> no i haven't, i want to see what happens with some of the other announcements. i would not do this frivolously or merely to criticize trump's performance in office, although that would be i think an extensive job to do. it would be with the serious intent to win. i think it's critical for the republican party, absolutely critical, and for the country as, well that trump not get our nomination. i think in a race against biden, as unpopular is biden's, trump might well when. so i think this is a serious matter that republicans are going to have to deal with. i wouldn't count on a day -- like indictment in the classified documents case to save us on this. knowing trump, he may well turn it into an asset. >> how soon do you think you need to make a decision on, this, since we're seeing how big the field is getting? >> well frankly, that's another consideration. if there is a small army of people wandering around seeking the nomination, i don't think there would be a case that i would be adding anything. but i think it's still early, i
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think this is a very strange cycle, and i think honestly in the next 90 days, it's a two man race between governor desantis and trump. i think that knowing trump as i do, that he will unload on desantis unceasing lee. he's already started, and i think governor desantis is going to come back with his case as to why trump is not qualified to be president. that's really a marker for everybody else that might get in. you're not gonna get the republican nomination by picking away at the other opponents.
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none of them would really directly say his name when they were on stage. do you think it's a mistake for candidates like governor desantis to not directly criticize trump in this race? >> what 100 percent. this is not an issue about philosophy, because trump has no philosophy. and it's not really an issue about his personality or his temperament, it's about his competency to be president, which he does not have. and i think unless you make that point effectively to voters, and ignore the 800 pound gorilla, it's an pop impossible to make that case. so i think the person ultimately wins the republican nomination is the person who beats trump, and as you say and i agree, i don't think anybody has stepped up to that role. maybe chris christie will, god bless him if he will, but if he doesn't, somebody needs to. in my case though, it would be not just to do that, but to win the nomination. >> we will see what you decide
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ultimately. i know you were listening to the top of the show as we were talking about this new cnn reporting on investigators looking into a pool that was drained at mar-a-lago, and then flooded a room. it has the computer servers, that stored the surveillance footage, that we know prosecutors have subpoenaed. of course, still a lot of questions about that, but what was your reaction to hearing that? >> well, i think the prosecutors are right to be suspicious of trump and his capacity to obstruct justice. this particular episode frankly, struck me as a little rude goldberg-like. but not beyond the realm of possible. i don't remember the geography or the architecture enough to understand how draining a pool would have flooded this room, but look, you've got to pursue every lead in a case the serious, there's no doubt about it. it may turn out not to represent anything, or it may, we don't know, there's a lot we don't know, and that may be part of it. >> yeah, a lot of questions remain. ambassador john bolton, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you.
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and the list just keeps on growing. former vice president mike
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pence former new jersey governor chris christie, and current noth dakota governor doug durham all expected to officially announced their 2024 presidential bid campaigns this week. meaning that over the crowded gop field is getting much more crowded. joining me now to talk about that is republican strategist and former rnc communications director drip doug heye, cnn political commentator and former trump white house communicator alyssa farah griffin. and former deputy chief of staff and chief spokes person for the -- nikki haley -- we saw a lot of that last night talk about nikki haley but, now she's got some other challengers to her. you used to work for the former vice president mike pence. he seems to be making this bet that there are enough remnants of the old version of the republican party, where he can still gain some peel, what's your sense of it? >> i think that mike pence is going to make a very strong case. i think it's going to be a similar lane to what we've seen from tim scott looking to run, and nikki haley. and keep in mind with vice
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president pence, he goes into the race as somebody who can say, on day one, i'm ready to be president. he's held head of state meetings, he's traveled all over the world as the representative of the u.s. government. he's been a governor, the credentialing is all there. what's going to be, he's got a number of challenges i think that to that stand to me at this point art, how do you diffraction yourself in the other traditional conservatives in the race. and nikki haley and tim scott. and then secondarily, how do you navigate trump -- we all know that there is that core 30% that you've got to pull a little bit, of that are die hard with trump. and it's a uniquely hard for mike pence pose january six to get those folks. so the other theory of the cases that you try to activate some registered primary voters, who maybe didn't turn out in the trump years, with a hopeful future leading message. i don't sleep on mike pence, as somebody who may rise in the polls, because he's incredibly politically astute, he's traveled all over the country boosting of other republican candidates before. >> i totally agree with that. he is done well since he left office. he's made visits to south
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carolina number of times, he's cultivated evangelical voters in those visits to south carolina, particularly in places like -- family council. and he's done so in other early primary states. so he's done some work already to lay the groundwork. >> but who is voting for mike pence in the republican primary? what kind of voter is? that >> someone who has got an evangelical christiane idiot as one of their top priorities, as something that's important to them. and you know, we'll watch him make his case, just as like we'll watch all of these folks make their cases. as we said last night, i think people are just starting to focus on the stuff. they're just starting to see people in town halls, the cnn town hall on cnn on wednesday. >> yeah, it's still gonna be seen as a long shot, cause he's not pulling out of the single digits. chris christie also about 24 hours from now, will officially be in this race we are told. what's that candidacy gonna look like, because obviously he is one of the biggest trump critics, even though he is somebody who once helped trump prepare for his debate with
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president biden? >> and when the things that chris christie does so well as -- we saw that in 2016 and debate where he popped marco rubio's balloon. he's gonna be there to popped on from this balloon if he can, if that's possible. and from, there if he has that moment, and he's too talented not to have that moment, then can he ride that wave to where he is not just popping balloons, but he's doing more as a candidate, and a potential nominee? we don't know that yet, but that is where chris christie is trying to position himself. and if i can say about mike pence, is not a coincidence that that town hall coming with dana bash is going to be in iowa. we saw bob -- last week on cnn say we anybody but donald trump. i was the heart and soul of the evangelical community, that's why mike pence wrote his motorcycle this weekend, it's why he's going back. those are the voters, not just the voters that he's gonna speak for, but where he's gonna -- >> but what happens with trump, and christie's at foreseer, if trump doesn't show up to the first debate. or the second debate. he's threatening not even show up. so chris christie is on that debate stage going after trump,
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who is not there? >> well that's a big problem for these candidates. and we know donald trump skipped a debate in iowa, and it should have hurt him and it didn't the rules don't. no we supply to donald trump. he didn't he didn't win iowa, that he came close. and that's partially because he didn't have a real campaign, a professional campaign, and ted cruz was massively organized and active in iowa, in the way that trump wasn't. it gives them more time, but obviously donald trump brings viewers, and all of these viewers need -- >> we'll keep in mind something else significant happened with the current governor today, governor sununu announcing that he would not be seeking the election. somebody who is considered an incredibly strong general election candidate, but what if at a hard time in the gop -- but >> he came all the sport -- saying i'm more effective taking on trump in the outside. i think you may be seeing the beginning of an emergent of, a republican governors, or former's who are sick of the trump wing of the party, and they want to get the gop back on course. the chris christie's, the ace
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hutchinson's, the governor sununu leading that charge. so i will keep an eye on that, because they have huge fund raising bases themselves, they have national networks, and they all a fairly big platforms. >> and what they're saying is, and sinema said this explicitly. if you are campaigning in december is on rocky ground, you not only have to get out, we're gonna call you to get out. >> he said it's not just knowing when to get, in but when to get out. >> another candidate, tim scott, you are a host of the view, he came on the view today, many of his fund raising emails, this caught my eye because many of his fund raising emails ever since he first announced we're about criticisms that the host of the view had. he came on and this is what happened. >> and frankly, why -- is doing a fabulous job of making progress. the question is, how do we measure that progress. we'll just give you a couple of's of examples. so this is good news. i thought you only had one question, but i'll give you the answer to it anyways. >> that was me talking, i loved that. >> come on over here. i [laughter] [applause] >> come on ladies. so >> [applause] let me give you a couple of short answers. i was just talked and about the fact that. >> yet your back looks pretty
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good from here. >> about the structure of the systemic racism that is embedded in. [applause] we don't have to agree on the fact that -- though >> often tell him, tell him. >> tell it to the mountain. >> we have to go the commercial, will come back. [applause] >> you think -- >> do you think disney's the radical left? >> well i think disney enron have been in a combat with zone for a number of months, over what i thought was the right issue as it relates to our young kids and what they're being indoctrinated with. i thought he started off on the right foot on that issue. >> no no no not. here i'm sorry sir. do not do, this is the view. we accept that we don't have to believe everything people say, but you cannot boo people here please! you cannot do it! please continue. >> alyssa, what was it like to be at that table today?
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>> well listen, getting booed by the view audience as a republican and a primary is a badge of honor. i said that to governor sununu who also got booed, i've been booed. tim scott held his own. i believe the only republican primary voters at the. table and listen, michael hosts, their liberals, their hearts and minds working to be changed on if they're gonna support him scott. but i think what he showed them on, and the audience in the viewers at home, is that this is a man of substance with an incredible command of the facts. and who can interact with people who fundamentally disagree with him and challenge him. and i would note on behalf of the view, nobody has gone on to win the presidency in 15 years without appearing before an audience and coming on our show. so, it's a powerful place.
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you're >> from south carolina, what did you think? >> look, irrespective of whether you agree with what tim scott and nikki haley had to say, about whether they're racist. i think we all can agree that they vote serve to be her. as both of whom are members of minority, are of communities of color, they grew up in had unique experiences, and their voices deserve to be hurt. they don't deserve to be canceled, they don't deserve to be ignored on issues like this. and i hope this is only the beginning of the kind of conversation we can have surrounding tim scott and nikki haley. >> yeah, lot of conversations we will be having about that in this primary. bob, doug, alyssa, thank you all for coming tonight. >> another 2024 contender, the republican critic of trump making an announcement right here on cnn today, ending all the speculation, that's next. also, sully sullenberger, and new reporting that we just have new details of what might have led to a tragic private jet going down over the weekend, that took four lives, including that of a two year old child.
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independents and young voters to join his side of the aisle. dana bash joins us now. dana, you have interviewed governor sununu many times. he has been speculated about this run, were you surprised by his decision in the end? >> not as much, given where we have seen the field go, and the dynamic in the race go in recent weeks. particularly caitlin, since the town hall that you did with former president donald trump in kristen innu's home state of new hampshire. and that is part of what i wanted to ask the governor, whether or not the popularity that donald trump still has in the granite state, that impacted his decision not to run. >> governor, donald trump is still very popular here in new hampshire, was there any part of you that thought, if i run and i lose to donald trump, that would be embarrassing?
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>> oh no, not at all. my choice in terms of running in the strategy was really all based in iowa. i knew if i did well in iowa, obviously we would do very well here. >> you are gonna play in iowa. >> oh very much, that was it, that was the. game like you said, there are so many votes in iowa right now they don't participate in that caucus, that you could go out and engage with invite to the party. you know how many votes need to win? iowa maybe five, 90,000. that's it, and the state of over 3 million people or so. so there's a huge opportunity to actually engage them one-on-one, in a retail politics file, which to frankly not to do very well. >> so if you did and the branding, you are confident that you would have won the new hampshire primary, you would've beaten donald. from >> if i had done well in iowa yes. if i hadn't done well in iowa, i think he would say, oh he tried, it's not gonna happen. and they needed a lot of my supporters would've moved on. that would've been the logical
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thing. >> another part of the chatter, which i'm sure you heard, was well if christina knew runs, it will potentially take the new hampshire primary off of the table. and, that's not something that most people in new hampshire who very much cherish the first in the nation primary status, and all that comes with it, we're excited about? how much did that factor? and >> well, it didn't really factor into the my decision. but it's a logical argument. i mean that was a concern that i definitely had. not so much that factored into whether i should or should not run, that was really more about me in the party where we should go. obviously, a very much cherish the new hampshire primary. i think it would've been strong either way, but it legitimate concern. >> you have been saying for months that donald trump will not be the nominee. are you still certain of that the way you were let's say in march, or even back in the fall? >> no, effect that's one of the reasons why i'm not running. because he could be the nominee if more folks don't start talking about what the republican party is about, not just what donald trump is a bit stands for. donald trump is about himself, i mean that's obvious, that shouldn't be news to anybody. the republican party has to be bigger than ourselves. and a traditionally has been, and there's an argument he's not even a real republican, right. he put an r after his, name but
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he doesn't carry fiscal discipline. he said he was gonna drain the swamp, he didn't do it, wouldn't know how to do it. he said he was in a secure the border, he didn't do it he. said he was gonna give us health care reform, he didn't do it. so, there's just so many things that he's talked about the he didn't achieve. >> do you believe that those candidates who are not donald trump should be more aggressive in calling out donald trump, and differentiating themselves with him specifically, my name, do it more directly? >> absolutely. because they're not just differentiating themselves of donald trump. they need to, in -- differentiate the party from donald trump. right, if everybody is talking with the same voice, and they
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all agree, just that some of them are a little bit afraid to say. it but if they're all being very candid and talking with the same voice, i think america will realize, these 12 people over, here that's where the republican party, is not where yesterday's news of donald trump. is and so, i think that's one of my frustrations, and if i can be a little bit more candid about, and get other folks to be more candid about. and i get, a lot of them still getting the race, but we're gonna make sure do everything we can to use the leverage as the we have, the -- with our voice and otherwise, to get them also out of the race. thanks for playing, come november in december, we have to win. we're not gonna wait till super tuesday to will woo it down to a one or two candidate race. tim scott, nikki haley, mike pence, let's just start there. do you see a path for any of them to win. >> oh i think so, look i think any candidate has a path. i think the debates will be really critical, right. who can get up on the stage and show something and spire people. >> you really wanted to get up on the. stage >> i did, i love debates, and i think i'm willing to. and i think any candidate that wants to know how do -- >> you really want to be on the debate stage with donald trump.
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well >> in some ways, i'll still be debating him, because he is not with the future of this party is about. so on that going away, i'm not gonna stop having a voice. >> you'll just be doing it in the audience? >> and a little bit more unleashed, maybe. but it's not about me right, it's really a -- in in the self interested person in. if that this is what the party needs. >> so if he is the nominee, will the democrats win? >> oh yeah, he can't win in november of 2024. oh, the math is shown donald trump has no chance of winning in november of 24. he won't even win georgia. if you are a republican that can't win georgia in november of 2024, you have no shot. and he's proven that, and not only is he proven that, but the candidates he gets behind in a good conservative state like georgia lose the race. his messaging doesn't translate it. does well of the hard court 30 35% base, but he loses everybody beyond that. and no one is undecided about the former president. there's no one out there going, well maybe i might consider voting. no, you know where you are. he's a known commodity, and so the math doesn't add up. and so, if the republicans nominate him, then we're seeing a vote from a republican in the primaries a vote for joe biden. and that's ultimately how the math will play. all >> so caitlin, not only does kristen innu want to be a big voice on a national level for how this race is going to go.
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he is obviously the sitting governor of the first in the nation primary state, of new hampshire. he says he will endorse in the race, he hasn't even decided hasn't, even begun to decide what he's gonna do. but as you imagine, the calls and the texts are coming in pretty fast. he is going to be one lobbied, one courted governor for the next what, six months or more. >> yet, and of course this week, we're seeing there are even more candidates that are likely to be texting and calling him. dana bash, great interview, thank you. up next, sonic booms as fighter jets were scrambled over washington d. c., after a private jet goes way off course. we have new information tonight about what might have gone wrong, and when. captain sully sullenberger of miracle over hudson feign joins us with his insights next.
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-- her throughout washington on sunday. the sound that caused a lot of alarm frightened many at the sound of a team of f-16 fire
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jets as they scrambled to intercept the small plane which was headed towards restricted airspace. we are not just learning that the faa lost contact with the plane only 15 minutes after it took off from tennessee. ultimately it went down in rural virginia, which we were told ultimately kill the pilot and all three passengers who were on board. joining us now is cb cell in sullenberger, the former u.s. ambassador to the international civil aviation organization. and of course more well-known by many, he was at the home of the u.s. airways flight 15 49, which is safely landed on the hudson river in new york. the perfect person here to speak with tonight. ambassador, when you hear this new information that is coming out including from the faa that they lost contact with this plane just 15 minutes after took off. what does that tell you? >> well it is good to be with you. we will find out probably over a year in the future with the national transportation safety board has committed their
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investigation and made public their findings. but this kind of an incident, this accident has the air marks of a loss of cabin pressurization. being a likely factor. >> if that is what happened here, you know, there have been questions about hypoxia and if there was explosive decompression as we were hearing from experts earlier. whether or not of mitigation beforehand that something was wrong? >> well one of the things the investigators will hope to find out, and this aircraft probably was not equipped with a cockpit voice recorder or a digital flight data recorder, depending on looking at the physical evidence. what to the pilot to know, when did the pilot know it? what indications did he or she have? and what actions were they able to take, what actions did they take? and i think it is going to be a long investigation, a lot of old-fashioned investigation with a lot of digital evidence for them to look at.
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>> what are the first steps they take an investigation? because we heard from one ntsb investigator who says they think it is going to be very difficult because of just with the scene look like. they said it was very fragmented scene, where the plane actually went down? >> right, it is going to make it incredibly difficult. this is like one of the accidents i investigated in the airline back in the 80s was a near vertical descent. a very high energy impact that just fragmented their plan and everything in it. it is going to take, it is going to be a complicated puzzle of lots of pieces that they will have to put to get there. and make sense of. old-fashioned detective work. >> and of course our thoughts are obviously with the lives that were lost in that. we have learned only more about them in the coming hours. ambassador sullenberger, you were the best person to talk about this tonight. the most expertise on this. thank you for joining us for
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