before we go tonight, to cnn presidential town halls to tell you about. tomorrow night, former vice president, mike pence, is going to take questions at a town hall moderated by dana bash. tomorrow, nine pm eastern, also, this coming monday, at eight pm, anderson is going to moderate a town hall with the newly declared and big trump critic, now republican, chris christie. thank so much for joining us tonight, cnn tonight with alison camerota starts now, hi, alison. hi caitlin, we'll all be

watching those town halls, thank you very much everyone, i'm alison cameron, it welcome to cnn tonight. major developments this evening in the special counsel's investigations of donald trump. mark meadows, chief of staff by donald trump's side in his final months of the administration, testifying to a federal grand jury. today, we also learned of a trump granary in miami for the classified document investigation. does that mean a trial would be held in florida? our panel reads the tea leaves tonight. plus, a new vending machine intercity stalked not with snacks, but with free drug supplies. narcan, fentanyl test strips, and crack pipes. it's supposed to save lives. but will it? something astonishing happened in golf today, the pga tour officials, who had condemned the saudi liv golf tour, today decided to partner with them. now, how does the pga commissioner explain his own comments from last year? >> as it relates to the families of 9/11, i have two

families that are close to me that have lost loved ones. so my heart goes out to them. i would ask, you know, any player that has left or any player that would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the pga tour? >> when they see the impact that we're having on this game together, there will be a lot of smiles on peoples faces. >> okay, we will get into all of that in the program. let's begin with the big news, former top trump official, mark meadows, has testified to a grand jury. meadows was not just trump chief of staff, he was also tasked with overseeing presidential records. chances are, he may have a lot to say. let's bring in our panel, cnn senior legal affairs correspondent, paula reid is here, also chris whipple, who's written extensively about the rule of white house chief of staff. we also have karen friedman -- and former chief assistant district attorney of the manhattan d.a.'s office, and

also josh berry of the very serious podcast. i hope i got that right, karen. fantastic. next. paula, tell us, in terms of mark meadows testifying, was this about the documents case, do we know? or was or was this about january six, in attempts to overturn the election results? >> at this point, it's unclear. if you testify to both investigations or just one, as you know, alison, he would have a lot to talk about investigators, in either case. because he's not just a witness, he is the witness. january 6th, the house select committee investigating that day, the events surrounding january 6th, efforts to overturn the election. came to the conclusion when it comes to that investigation, all roads lead to mark meadows. increasingly, in the mar-a-lago documents investigation, who are finding that he is truly somewhat of value there to. and not only was he at the white house when things are being packed up the end of the administration, but the bombshell audio recording that we broke last week, that was

recorded by mark meadows auto biographers. they have a lot of questions for him. this has been a mystery, swirling around trump world, for the last several months. what is going on with mark meadows? there is no communication between his legal team and the trump lawyers. this is been one of the biggest questions in this investigation. now that we know that he has testified, alison, that really tells us that particular the mar-a-lago documents case is likely at the variant before they make their charging decision. >> okay, chris, obviously you have focused on chiefs of staff. you also have awarded mark meadows the worst chief of staff in history title. i'm just wondering, why he earned that, and how you think his testifying would go? >> first, i really do agree, this is a potentially really important development. we know from the times reporting, among others, meadows has testified. we don't know the extent to

which he's really cooperating, with jack smith. it's a big deal. because he's at the center of everything with trump, not just the classified documents, but even the georgia probe, he orchestrated and participated in that phone call, the shakedown for 11,780 votes. he was intimately involved, obviously, in the january 6th insurrection. he was holding trump's coat as he went out on the ellipse to incite the mob to attack the capitol. it's a very big deal. i think, you know, again, meadows there used to be a stiff competition for the title of worst white house chief of staff in history, after all, hr haldeman was a contender and went to prison for watergate crimes. but in my view, mark meadows has clinched that title by a country mall. all have to do is look at his participation in the bungling

of a once in a century pandemic and being intimately involved in the attempted overthrow of the u.s. government on january 6th. he practically makes haldimand look like a choir boy, in that respect. >> karen, read the tea leaves here for us. from what you know about his testifying, before the grand jury, is it possible he would've gone in there just pleaded the fifth? do you see telltale signs of something else? >> so, his lawyer gave a statement that talked about how, without saying what he'd testified to, he said he had maintained that he tells comes in and tells the truth when compelled to. that tells me that he testified. otherwise, he would've said he took the fifth, or whatever. he made a point to say that he testified, truthfully, when compelled to. or when called to. i think that tells us that he testified and he was a major witness in the grand jury. i believe i agree, when we saw the select committee with the

hearings, and everything led to meadows, so much so that we were wondering, is he going to be a target? or is he going to cooperate and testify? because he really is the linchpin to all of these cases, i think. >> josh, just to remind people of how central he was, cassidy hutchinson, one of his aides, testified to what he was doing as the mob was gathering on january 6th and at the capitol in fact. here's what she said about meadows. >> i remember pat saying to him, something to the effect of, for the rioters have gotten to the capital, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. mark looked up and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pet. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. marquette responded something to the effect of, you heard him, pat, he thinks mike deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing

anything wrong. >> your thoughts on what's happening now? >> yeah, he's up there with mike pence in terms of being the very central people that you bring in toward the end of this investigation. i think this is one of several signs, there's also the news reporting about donald trump having been told by his attorneys he should expect to be indicted, at least in the documents case. these are signs of a very mature investigation. and i certainly agree, he was not an exemplary chief of staff. but i i know what an additional tells us, that elect the timing of this investigation, given what we already knew about mike pence, that we already knew he had gotten up toward the top of what it was that they were investigating. yeah, i think the former president has a very good reason we worry about being indicted. >> interesting to hear former attorney general, bill barr, talk about some of this today. he also agrees, something is happening. we'll see what jack smith decides, whether he's going to

be charging, he said, at some point this summer. or even i think he said early fall, which doesn't sound that imminent to us in the news business. maybe in criminal justice it's immediate. here's what he said about donald trump's claims that all of this is a witch hunt. listen to this. >> i think, based on the fact, if the facts come out, i think overtime, people will see. this is not a case of the department of justice conducting a witch hunt. in fact, they approach this very delicately, with difference to the president, and this would've gone nowhere had the president just returned the documents. but he jerked him around for a year and a half. >> paula, your thoughts? >> well, well, well. alison. that's very interesting to hear from the former attorney generals, who really helped him distort the other special counsel investigation into former president trump, which was not only possible, working with russia, but also questions of obstruction.

remember, after that investigation concluded, he released the top line findings in a way that was very favorable to former president trump. he also launched special counsel john durham to investigate that investigation. he also helped former president trump pursue pet investigations, using the justice department to help former president trump pursue a lot of so-called politically motivated or what he described as politically motivated investigations. also pursuing people he believed to be his political adversaries. to see attorney general bill barr now come out with this full-throated defense of the justice department, you know, i'm sure the rank-and-file is happy to hear that, but it may be too little, too late. he has gone a long way towards helping people believe that the justice department is a partisan organization that is out to get former president trump. and for some reason, only now does he see this special counsel as being valid, and potentially, a legitimate legal threat to his former boss. >> thank you for reminding us of all of that context.

chris, former attorney general, bill barr, also engaged in a little psychological analysis of his old boss, donald trump today. listen to what he said about that. >> he so egotistical, he has this penchant for conducting risky, reckless acts to show that he can get away with it. it's part of asserting his ego. she's done this repeatedly, at the expense of all the people who depend on him to conduct the public's business, in an honorable way. we saw that with both impeachments. there's no excuse for what he did here. >> your thoughts, chris? >> yeah, you know, the irony would be rich if if it does turn out that mark meadows is cooperating and helps to bring trump down. or help his prosecution. if you think about meadows, it shouldn't be too surprising

that he might be cooperating. just think of who the guy is, this is not g gordon lady of white house plumbers fame, holding his hand over a candle and pledging loyalty and toughness to his boss. this is a guy who's the ultimate sycophant, the guy -- the fight of his life, inside joe biden's white house. i describe meadows not so much is a chief of staff as a kind of glad-handing made her the. he was not only a yes man to trump, he was yes man to almost everyone. he told him what he wanted to hear. and it would be a rich irony, i think, if he started to tell jack smith what he would like to hear. >> friends, thank you. very much for helping us understand the news this evening. really appreciate seeing all of you. >> coming up, the many tactics of chris christie in trying to do with donald trump, from loyal ally to fierce critic. we'll take a trip down memory lane, as christy announces his

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>> a lonely, self consumed, self serving never how'd hogg. -- like voldemort. he is he who shall not be named. well, let me be clear, in case i have not been already. >> [laughter] >> the person i am talking about, who is obsessed with the mirror, we never admits a mistake, he never admits a fault, and who always finds someone else and something else to blame for whatever goes wrong, but finds every reason to take credit for anything that goes right, is donald trump. >> i feel like we got the reference even before he spelled it out. i don't know. maybe it just me. so, which strategy will christie use this time against

donald trump? let's bring in the -- we have coleman hughes, host of conversations with coleman podcast. josh barro is back. -- sirwicke he's here, as is -- washington, a senior contributor at the root. -- let's just rewind the clock for a minute and remind everybody, in 2015, he was treating trump -- when he was running for -- because christie and donald trump -- he was treating him sort of as a regular competitor, just sort of going after what he felt for his shortcomings. so, let's remind people of that. >> i just don't believe that the skills that you are talking about, that donald has, our transferable to a governmental setting. i just don't. >> these facts are wrong. i know that. he knows that too. -- even if he can only do them in 140 characters or less. >> okay, so, he had clever quips. but it didn't work.

and he ended up dropping out, and then he did something interesting. he stood shoulder to shoulder with donald trump after that, and endorsed him. and i don't know if we have any -- do we have just a video of this? or do we have sound? we can watch this for a bit. >> he is re-writing the playbook. he is re-writing the playbook of american politics, because he's providing strong leadership that is not dependent upon the status quo. and so, the best person to beat hillary clinton in november, on that stage last night, he's undoubtedly donald trump. >> and you know what that loyalty got him? covid. >> [laughter] >> that loyalty got him covid, because he then gave donald trump hours of debate prep time, and he was not advised that donald trump had tested positive for covid. so, one more piece of sound i would like to play for all of you, is when chris christie realizes that donald trump -- well, he blames donald trump for giving him covid and landing him in the icu.

>> you had always suspected that you got it from the president. >> is that right? >> the only reason i had suspected it is he was the only person who i didn't know he's testing regimen that i was in close contact with -- >> so, do this confirm for you that you did, in fact, get it from the president? >> i think it's undeniable. >> so, fast forward to today. what will he do differently this time? >> it seems like chris christie is in a toxic relationship -- a friend that they insist they are going to break up with their boyfriend and they've done it -- on a more serious note, though, he's been flip-flopping. it makes him come across as insincere, which he is. i think most of the things he said about trump apply to himself. chris christie it's not particularly good at admitting to mistakes. bridge gate, as a new jersey kid, i have to say, i don't think he has fully come clean on closing the -- access to the george washington

bridge and creating chaffetz jams to get back at the mayor. so, he is someone that has clearly wanted to be president at least since, like, 2012, very soon after becoming governor of new jersey. most of what he said about trump applies to him! >> is he flip-flopping? or has he evolved? has his position evolved on trump? i >> don't know exactly what's going on inside his head. but he made clear this to our town hall event that he did in new hampshire that he intends to do a really frontal attack on donald trump in this campaign. and i think this sees -- chris christie is not going to win this nomination. and i think chris christie it's smart enough to know that he's not going to win this nomination. i think there is a legacy play here, which is, that what chris christie is remembered for is bridge gate and for enabling donald trump. because he did not just endorse donald trump in the 2016, he was one of the first major national republican figures who endorse him. it was right after jeff sessions at the time when lots of other prominent figures in the party were still trying to figure out how they could man to gather to stop donald trump.

so, in significant part, this is his fault. and he also -- he got hoodwinked before the former president gave him covid -- in 2016, he was the chairman of the presidents transition. he was supposed to be -- donald trump came in. he was going to help build out the white house. he was going have a really central position. but chris christie, when he was a federal prosecutor, he put jared kushner's father in prison. jared kushner hates him. -- chris christie gets fired, basically, at the hands of jared kushner. so, chris christie, for all of his supplication to donald trump, he did not become attorney general. he did not become vice president. he got pushed out of a position that he had. and then he was still there several years later, during that debate prep in the 2020 election for the former president. i watched the town hall today. the criticisms that he's making of donald trump, whether or not they are sincere, are largely correct. and i think it will be an interesting factor in this campaign to have him on the debate stage is into have -- i expect him to be, essentially, a constant presence on cable news. because cable loves people to talk about trump, especially in --

>> and also people who are quickly and say funny things and sound bites -- >> yeah. he's great television. i think, even if he loses this campaign, it might be something that chris christie will be remembered for politically, in addition to bridge gate, and enabling donald trump, will be, maybe he plays a role -- you know, i think his objective is, maybe i play a role in stopping donald trump from getting the nomination, like i did for mark of rubio in 2016. -- >> jessica washington? >> yeah, it's so hard to keep watching him doing these flip-flops. it gets a little embarrassing -- >> -- devoted, devoted, devoted critic? >> it was critic, devoted, critic, devoted. so, you are going back and forth. so, it is a little hard to watch. i think the other thing is, what do we know now that we could not have known in 2015? now he is saying he is evil, he is corrupt, all these other things. what did he not know in 2019? all of these things -- it's like, okay, now you are saying he is corrupt, you are saying all these things. but a lot of -- no. so, i think that's what makes

it feel less genuine. >> he hasn't tried to overthrow the u.s. government. >> -- >> you can tell a story about why he -- >> just to be clear, he was a bad guy in 2016. >> sure, i'm just saying -- >> all kinds of -- >> the one thing i'm interested in, like josh barro, said, chris christie is not going to win, because the lane he is in in the republican party is not where the party is. he's essentially a semi moderate northeastern republican. there is no actual market for that in the republican party. so, the question is, why is he doing it? i think some of it is legacy. i think some of it maybe he wants to be in the mix. he likes being in the mix. he likes being on television and the rest of it. i am, though, fascinated by what it is going to be like to have him on stage both in terms of what is dynamic with trump is going to be like, because that can be super interesting, and then, also, what will he be like with desantis? will he go after -- desantis would be the only one who really matters. -- will he go after him in the way

he went against rubio? because, he really did, although rubio tweeted today saying, he did not put me out of the race. but, of course, he did put him out of the race. everyone remembers that. so, i think if christie only last through the debates, and does not make it to iowa, it could be really interesting to see how he changes that i am acts of the -- >> -- really interesting. it will be very interesting to see him onstage, agreed. so, tune in tomorrow, when dana bash moderates a cnn republican town hall with former vice president mike pence. that's tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern. and then, be sure to watch on monday when anderson cooper moderate to cnn town hall with chris christie. that is at 8:00 -- and that's at deep 4:00 eastern on the lead -- what happens then? we discuss that next.

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>> this supreme court could issue a major decision on affirmative action as early as this week. if they do away with it, what

does that mean for college admissions? what does it mean for the country? my panel is back. jessica, if the supreme court ends affirmative action, what happens? >> i think the problem is, we don't know exactly what this ruling is going to say. it could say a myriad of things. they could make really strict limits. they could make it not a street. but i think we are definitely going to see new limits placed on affirmative action in education. and the real concern is that this is the last tool we really have to integrate schools of education -- what has been cut back in elementary school, middle school, high school -- all these kinds of lower education. and now we are going to see it in higher ed. and i think we are going to see some really negative impacts in terms of diversity on campus. >> let's just go back in time for a minute. do you think affirmative action accomplished what it set out to do? >> i think it's a long term goal. i think part of the problem is, when you cut off the legs of affirmative action in high school, middle school, elementary school, it makes it harder to make it effective at the higher ed level. so, i think that is part of the problem. if you don't have integration

happening at those levels, we know that's not happening in our nation -- we know that we are still highly segregated as a country, even in new york city we are incredibly segregated in places that are ostensibly liberal. so, i think if you only focus on higher education, then it won't ever accomplish those goals that were set out to do. >> your thoughts, what james surowiecki -- josh barro -- eventually essentially banned the use of affirmative action on -- >> we have some of those -- black undergrad enrollment at ucla in 1996, as you say, was 6%. ten years later, after they did a way -- this is michigan. i'm sorry, let's go back to california for a second. because, basically, it was cut in half. so, it was cut in half and then california took it upon itself -- >> the schools did, yeah. >> the schools -- all sorts of her recruitment, et cetera -- >> yeah -- >> -- >> yeah. so, that's what i think you will see, is that. and then the impact on

professionals, like law school, and engineering will be even greater. but i think -- so, i think what you will see in the short term, i assume that the supreme court is going to do away with affirmative action in -- i think in the short term you will see a significant hit to diversity. but -- and if schools -- and i think they do -- that are doing this now want to keep their student bodies diverse, they will have to just work a lot harder. and that is essentially what ucla did, what university of california did, spend a lot more money on recruitment, a lot more money trying to get kids to come once they were admitted, and the rest. and so, it was effective. but you can already see the schools, colleges, already starting to adapt. i do think some of the reasons why standardized tests are being fatal phased out has something to do with him anticipating this and trying to use ways -- i think that what these other kinds of proxies. but, in the short term, there is nothing that will take its place. so, i think you are going to see a hit. >> coleman, what do you think of affirmative action and the possible and?

>> well, you are right that california in 1996 is the closest model what we have. but what you have -- didn't go to ucla didn't go to college. they went to other schools in the ucc's them. and, for some of those, could they may have, rather than being at the bottom of the class and ucla, when they are struggling to either better prepared peers, maybe they are more in the middle of the classroom, maybe at the top of the class of a different uc school. and i think what we have to understand is, what goes on under the name of affirmative action behind the scenes at these colleges is very ugly. i just -- i want to read briefly from someone of discovery at this case. so, this is at u.n.c.. this is an admissions officer. this is what they say. i just opened a brown girl who is an 810 -- if it's brown and above a 1300, put him in for merit. this is how they are talking about kids, right? they are reducing everything to race. this is how they are talking about your kids when they apply to college. this is ugly stuff if we actually saw how the sausage gets made. so, i think we should be celebrating the end of race

based affirmative action and really start addressing the actual problems with racial inequality, which is between the ages of zero and 18. kids are going to awful schools. and that is where the focus should be. >> do you agree, jessica? >> no. i think that affirmative action -- a, there obviously are exceptions. and some of this discovery is troubling, when kids are being spoken about like that. but oftentimes, i think schools are not just looking at race. they are looking at qualified applicants and saying, okay, holistically, how do we -- we have to understand, the schools are not just trying to pick kids who necessarily are -- who have the best as a tea score, or who have the best grades. they are trying to create a student body that is going to help kids learn to interact with other people who are different from them, to succeed. and i think they're taking from a whole different host of qualities. so, i don't think it is just they are saying, well, here is this black and we are going to put them in the school and -- qualified. i don't think that is happening everywhere. >> josh?

>> i think it's important numbers when we talk about those numbers in california and the lawsuit against harvard -- one of the big counteracting effects is that you get exploding asian enrollment at the schools. and that has been sort of an underlying political issue in these cases. it's very -- in some of the california schools, you have majority asian student populations. and in the harvard case, you see clear discrimination against asian american applicants, where basically you have asian american applicants on average receiving low or sort of personality soft skills scores. at harvard, their argument, basically, for why they were discriminated against asians was more or less, no, really, the asian applicants on average to have worse personalities. it was crazy. i think when you start to sort of build a demographic profile that you want in your campus, in the case of asian americans it is about imposing de facto quotas on asian admissions and some of the private universities. and i think it's very reasonable for the court to look at that and say it's a violation of -- you don't just have to end up

increasing the representation of certain groups. you end up capping the representation of certain groups that would otherwise produce really large numbers of qualified applicants. >> it's really interesting, guys. thank you very much for your perspectives on that. we will see what happens this week. meanwhile, from bitter enemies to a shocking partnership, the pga tour is announcing a unification agreement with his saudi-backed liv golf tour. we will discuss how this happened, next. this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss. noom has taught me how you think about food has such a...

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shipnock, the author of live and let, diane insider count of the saga, said to be released in october. allen, i think you may have to add an epilogue to your book. how shocked were you when you heard what happened today? >> it was a thunder bowl for the entire golf world. there's no doubt about it. following this story very closely right now -- i you can see this coming, both the pga tour and liv golf are on this path toward mutually assured destruction. the tour was spending money they didn't have to try to keep up with liv golf. liv had built this whole product but nobody was really paying attention. and it just didn't make sense, long-term, for either side. and it had happened so quickly and it was announced today of all days. it's sort of in the middle of the heart of the season. it was a bit of a stunner. but i think it makes sense. i think the war is over and now

it's going to be about who we when is the piece. -- but it is certainly a momentous moment for an entire sport. >> for sure. and it may make sense financially for people. but explain how it makes sense in terms of principles. and i know i sound naive or pollyannaish, but that's what pga had staked their position. i don't have to tell you -- jay monahan did the chief chair of pga tour had said that -- his heart went out to the 9/11 families because, how can they -- how can these golfers be giving up their principles to go work for liv golf when what the saudis are present in terms of human rights? so, now, how does he explain himself? >> yeah, one of my best friends lost his life on 9/11, in one of the plains. so, i've been sympathetic to that argument. at the same time, it's also a little naive in how the world works. many of the pga tour's biggest

sponsors, whether it's coca-cola or fedex or morgan stanley, do a ton of business in saudi arabia. and all kinds of sports are now hosted within the kingdom, or the saudis own european premier league soccer teams. they have become a mission in big-time sports around the globe. jay monahan was trying to play the morality card. and that was really all he had. because he was outgunned financially. it didn't quite pass the smell test, given how much business all -- sponsors had done in towards saudi arabia. and i think -- finally caught up to them. and it's definitely -- it is okay as a golf fan or as a consumer to feel a little betrayed, and to feel a little confused, and to be a little queasy about this. because there are some hard questions about where the money is coming from. but i think the headline is that money always wins. and that is a -- every sport and that's in every

industry. and that's what happened here. >> how about the players? how about the players who took a principled stand or said they did, and it didn't take the seduction of the liv money when it was being offered and dangled in front of them? how are they feeling? >> they are displeased, to say the least. >> [laughter] >> there were serious money on the table. and -- matsuyama, the masters champion from japan, he was offered north of 300 million dollars. even a guy like rickie fowler, who had won tournaments in -- he turned down 75 million dollars. and there was tremendous pressure applied to them to stay loyal to the pga tour. now, all the players who did take the liv money, they are going to get re-integrated back into the pga tour. and there's a lot of unhappiness. there's a lot of bitterness right now. but there is a way to make these guys hole whole -- there is no doubt that some of these guys are going to get some of these money on the

side. you can call it combination. it could be -- you can call it a bribe to be a good soldier. there's a lot of ways to phrase it. but they are going to buy their happiness. so, it's not quite the numbers they turned it down. i don't think that's going to be possible because they lost all their leverage. but, at the same time, the saudis are going to pump billions of dollars into the entire ecosystem of professional golf and they are already playing for more money than -- doubled in one year. and they are probably going to double again. so, these are very much first world problems. there is little battle coming between the haves and have more's in professional golf. but all these guys are going to be okay. >> the book is liv and let die. it will be released on october 31st. it should be very interesting, all your interviews with all the players. thank you for being with us tonight. >> okay, thank you for having me.

>> i guess they're pleased with turning down the $75 million. what do you guys think? >> i think what is crazy here is that one of the things that the pga gets out that this is the entitle suit brought by liv, saying that the pga was being anticompetitive by taking them off the liv poor. there is also the government anti an inquiry into golf right now. the russian out that output out there for what you would have this merger is that the pga would not want to compare pete with a competitor for players. they did not like -- now, they don't have to bid up any more. that is classic anticompetitive behavior. in general, you can't fix your trust problem despite merging with their competitor, you should make it worse by not doing the. personally, i would like to see if there is anything that the government can pursue their, even though we don't have a private entity shooting -- suing the pga tour. the objective here is to keep the money off the table that would otherwise go to the major

commercial entrance. i felt like the outcome, but i wonder if it is the only one. >> he think that is interesting to me is that it did come as a total surprise. i was shocked, when it happened. as allen said, it should not. when you look at the history of professional sports, it was the predictable alqam. in the past, whenever you have an alternative league spring up, the american football league, national basketball association, what happens, they end up merging. donald trump, if you remember, the u.s. have, this is what they were trying to do, when they sued the nfl for antitrust. with heat really wanted to do was get the nfl to essentially force a merger. >> is that this one you talk about a merger with a contract with such human rights problems. >> from a moral point of view, obviously, yes. obviously, jay monahan should not have said what he said a year ago when he played the morality car, because it makes him look terrible now. from an economic view, one of the underplayed aspects that

this is that the saudis of his have more money than everybody, but they were losing tons of money on the liv. they were spending tons of money and nobody was watching. this allows them to invest in something that is enormously profitable, partly because they have no competition. i think that is partly what is happening here. >> can we do have on one second for the moral dimension of this. i think this is important. i hate this trend of foreign regimes purchasing the souls of american athletes and business people. >> sports washing? >> yes, exactly, we saw this in the nba with china. you're not gonna find an nba player who will talk about the treatment of uyghurs in china or hong kong protesters. soon, you will not find a golf player talking about the treatment of women in saudi arabia. as -- to criticize foreign regimes, and we are losing that bit by bit. >> thank you, thank you very much for this take. it was clearly a stunner for everybody, even allen.

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this is from more than 100 wild fires that are burning and compact canada and wafting south. new york is one of the five cities with the worst air pollution in the world tonight, alongside daca, bangladesh, jakarta, indonesia and new delhi, india. here is the view of the yankee stadium during tonight's home game against the chicago white socks. this level of pollution is unhealthy, obviously, but particularly for groups like the elderly, young children and those with respiratory issues. now, two and at the health crisis and what new york city is doing about it. new york city has installed its first ever public health funding sheen, and it is stuffed with some drug supplies like narcan kits, fentanyl test strips and crack pipes. it's also already been restocked, even though it was just installed yesterday. james and pullman are back. i certainly understand testing

strips, i certainly understand narcan for an overdose, but i don't understand putting crack pipes and there. i am not sure if you guys have an explanation for why those are there. >> the argument is similar to needle exchange. car pipes in theory, if you reuse them, they can be vehicles so transmission for hiv and help see, and so the idea is if you have clean crack pipes, you can reduce the number of people to catch the diseases and the like. it's an idea that's been around a while. vancouver did it in 2014. that is the concept behind it. i think one at the strange things is the execution. just putting a vending machine in the middle of a presidential area. >> it's a high drug user area. >> wouldn't vancouver did it, they put it inside the same user research center, which had other counseling and other -- that made a little more sense to me. this feels somewhat random and

careless. >> i think you can argue, at one level, this is just an admission that we lost the war on drugs with every other strategy, right? you can't stop the drug from getting in the country. you can't prevent people from doing them, we can't cure addiction, so i guess the last resort is to make it clean and safe. >> well, also, to stop overdosing. to triage the overdosing. >> i have no problem with the narcan -- i think most taxpayers, but no test strips, that's a good use of funds. but when it comes to crack pipes, that's an admission that that most we can do now is have people do it in a clean way, and that is a sad state of affairs. >> we'll see how this goes. gentlemen, thank you for being here tonight, great to have you. coming up, some of our favorite reporters are here to talk about the stores that they're working on for tomorrow. they're coming out right now. i will join them momentarily. hi, guys.

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