crime scenes to individuals. law enforcement officials in boston say without it, the rest of -- may not ever have happened. >> it seems that they obtained dna evidence without ever obtaining a search warrant. if that turns out to be true, that's an issue that will be pursued vigorously. legal experts say publicly lately accessible genealogy databases have become unaffected source for investigators to link dna from crime scenes to individuals. law enforcement officials in boston say without it, the rest of -- may not ever have happened. >> and neil remains behind bars, his bail is set at $500,000. he was arraigned last week, his next court appearance is scheduled for monday. >> jason carroll, thanks so much. the news continues. kaitlan collins starts now wow good evening, i'm caitlin collins and tonight we have two big developments in the federal investigations into former president donald trump. cnn has now learned that mark meadows, trump's former trick of stuff, has testified before a grand jury in the special counsel's investigation. he could be a traditional witness, given he is someone who has seen and heard more

than most as a former get keeper to the oval office. also tonight, i helped break some new reporting about federal prosecutors now using a second grand jury. this one, in miami, the other one is in washington d. as part of that classified documents probe into the former president. that grand jury has heard testimony from multiple witnesses in recent weeks, i am told, and also is going to hear from another witness tomorrow. all of this investigative action has been centered in washington, so a big question tonight, why now in florida? in a moment you will hear from a former predator prosecutor who said she views this as a really big deal. but first, let us get to the very latest on these developments in these latest stories from cnn's paula reid. paula, obviously when it comes to what is happening here with mark meadows, that is significant. we knew he had been subpoenaed, we knew that he had tried to fight it, but now he has gone and testified. what else have we learned? >> that is exactly right, kaitlan. he is not just a witness, he is

the witness in both special counsel investigations, potentially, when it comes to january 6th he was at the center of everything. the house select committee that investigated the events in and around january 6th came to the conclusion that all roads lead to mark meadows. they did not get the opportunity to talk to him in that investigation. we have also learned through our reporting with our colleagues, he is increasingly significant, potentially, to the possible mishandling of classified documents at mar-a-lago investigation. not only has he been at the white house when things were getting picked up in the final days, we also learned that the bombshell reporting that we reported last week, where trump can be heard about having classified documents, recording was made by mark meadows or biographers. there are potentially i love questions for meadows on both probes, but at this point it is not clear whether he has testified for both investigations or just one. but there is certainly a long lasting mystery in the trump circle, which is hey, what is

going on with mark meadows. what has he said? the former president tried to stop him from the divine, starting to get a privilege. he lost that battle. the trump team was in the dark with exactly what was going on. there was no communication between meadow's legal team and the former presidents legal team. leading to some concerns about whether he was cooperating. now that we know he has testified, it is the clearest sign that the classified document investigation is likely at the very end. >> yeah, a lot of questions about how quiet he had been in this. also, paula, on the second degree injury we have been around, and the fact that they are convening in miami, in addition to what we knew about what was happening in washington and all of these witnesses going before this, how significant could this be for this investigation? >> this is fascinating. that they are suddenly, after

months and months and months of the whole investigation being held in washington, d. c. this is where the special counsel's, this is where dozens and dozens of witnesses have traveled to testify before the grand jury, suddenly they are hearing from witnesses in florida. specifically in miami. we expect witnesses reporting tomorrow. the big question is, why florida? we don't actually know, why florida. what we do know is that effect that this has been here in d. c. for the entire investigation, they have been asking questions, gathering evidence, this has been something the trump team has been focused on, they have made it clear that if the client is charged in the say they are going to challenge what is called venue, the location of the charges. they are going to argue that any alleged criminal conduct didn't have a specific connection to washington, d. c. . they would argue that yes the requests belong to the government, but that is not enough to try it here. they would much rather say this case brought, if it is brought, in florida, where they believe the jury pool will be more favorable. the special counsel knows that they are likely to face a venue fight. it is unclear that this is why they are bringing witnesses to florida, or that they could be

potentially charging one or perhaps to people whose conduct only has a connection to florida. it wouldn't be proper here in d. c. . as you know, we are working the phones, and resources, we are trying to get more information about this unexpected development. >> yes, one that even seems to have caught the trump team by surprise. >> thank you. >> we will get a take from a former federal prosecutor. general for rodgers is a cnn legal analyst. she joins us now. why would they now convene a grand jury in miami? >> it could be a couple things going on. it could just be for convenience. witnesses down there who need to his to fight. they can do it down there in retest among the embassy. or, as paul it's just, but maybe there are a couple of minor people that want to chart just with obstruction and they want to do that with a separate case in miami. or they could be taking a bigger picture. this case could either happen d. c. or florida, but most of the events really did happen in florida. so they might be thinking about charging just the obstruction part in florida and because of my talk in case and d. c.

or charge and the whole thing down in florida where most of the things took place. >> we could see charges and both places? >> it is unlikely because that would split the prosecutorial tame, it is not very efficient as far as prices go, but there is no legal case not to. >> and to what paula said, about what the trump team to, is that how you see it as well? >> people think about the jury poll issue as a political issue. twitter people like trump, which are people not like trump? prosecutors normally think about where people are more or less conservative, more or less pro-law enforcement, and that case -- because it is the former president, he is so well-known, people have some strong offense about, him they are thinking about it more as we will get a more favorable jury pool and they say, but honestly i don't think that is driving this. i think this is more about where the contact happened, where the team is based, where the witnesses will come from, and we will see what makes sense from the angle.

>> one of the aspects i heard, a source told me, maybe they weren't so surprised because an assistant u. s. attorney from the miami office was president the day the search warrant was executed at mar-a-lago. what do you think about? that >> it is not that uncommon for the local office to be involved in some degree, especially if you are executing a search and their districts. i wouldn't be surprised for that office to be read into what is happening and be involved to some extent. that actually does not surprise me. i don't think that suggest where the case will end up, necessarily. >> the other thing we have learned up about mark meadows. we do not know where he will end up in this investigation, which you know he told to jack smith's team. -- >> he is the number one witness. they were certainly going to

talk to. him? >> what would you be talking to him about? >> everything. when the election happened and that began to put pressure on state legislators and election officials, ultimately on mike pence, the fake electors scheme, the whole thing all the way through january six and beyond, you want to ask and everything. not surprised to talk to him unless they had a lot of destruction, which clearly now they have not. here is their number one witness. if he testify truthfully, which i assume he did, he is going to be front and center in the case they bring. >> or maybe if he pled the fifth, we are still trying to figure that out. jennifer rogers, thank you for bringing us these developments that we are seeing on an hourly basis in the investigations.

of course, the big question is not just the legal implications that it has for the former president, but also whether or not this matters to republican voters. jason osborne, a former trump campaign advisor, is here tonight. and sarah matthews, the former deputy press secretary in the trump white house. jason, what is your sense, does this matter that there is now a second grand jury and the former chief of staff has justified? >> i appreciated what jen had to say. i was curious about a couple of different things, about why there are two grand juries on this. i look at this as kind of a very -- i wonder, not being an attorney, i wonder if there was a move to circumvent what trump's team is going to do, which is filed for a venue change to begin with. take that off the table, because that is another delay emphatic by the trump team. move it down to florida, which i would think, knowing trump, at least for a little bit, is that he is going to play this as i win. that to your point about the jury poll, and that being tainted, florida is my people -- a win to have it in florida, if you are not doing it anymore in d. c. . but it is a win until it is not. and trump's mind, if all of a

sudden charges come out, then he is going to climate's design is biased. it is like a never-ending circle with this. i am hoping that at some point it ends. that we stop talking about documents at mar-a-lago and that case is tried and the results come out. >> sarah, a lot of these people are your former colleagues. mark meadows was for chief of staff. you head bitter insight in to how critical the role he played was, also some of the other colleagues of yours had cotton testified. how do you think they are feeling about this? >> obviously, if i was still working for donald trump and on his campaign don't at mar-a-lago, i would be shaking in my boots a bit. we know that with donald trump, loyalty is a one-way street. he demands loyalty from everyone but gives it to no one in return. i think that if i am mark meadows, and you are at the central figure in both of these probes, whether it is the january 6th probe and the plot to overturn the 2020 election, or the classified documents case, he knows he has legal liability. so it will be interesting to see whether or not he tries to strike a deal with investigators for his cooperation or if he pled the fifth. >> given how well you know trump, how do you think he feels about mark meadows haven't played another role in this. the audio recording -- >> i think that was a really interesting tidbit that we learned. they have on record that trump is talking about the classified

document. he knew that he took this document from the white house and it was classified and he did not unclassified. and the fact that it had to do with mark meadows book, something that we already know arrested him and he was unhappy with and that meadows kind of tried to cozy up back to trump after the publication of it, i think that is just going to ignite more fury from him. >> the question, though, is does this -- how does this factor into the middle of primaries season. you are seeing chris christie and more people get into. database are coming up, all of these town halls, conventions,

caucuses, primaries. could any of this affects trump? >> at a certain point, it will. but keep in mind, also, when was the alvin bragg case here in new york? we are not even talking about that anymore. we are not talking about the e. jean carroll case anymore. we are now talking about documents. once documents is done we are going to be talked about fulton county. i think some of these candidates, and hopefully i think chris christie, that is his role in this campaign, is

to actually go after donald trump won a lot of these issues and try to not come back a little bit. the other candidates come in and talk about their policies and hopefully get some of the oxygen back in the room. >> jennifer, one more question for you. being under investigation, being charged. it takes a lot to fight that. it takes a lot of time. trump has to show up when it comes to the new york hush money probe. how does that cut into his campaigning, potentially? that is something i have asked his attorneys. how do they balance all that? >> usually, when you see someone charged, that is really all they can focus on. if it is as a ceo, they step aside for a. time all of your bandwidth and resources and attention have to go to fighting something like this. he is going to potentially be fighting for criminal cases at the same time as trying to campaign. it is unimaginable. i don't see how he can possibly do it. if you think that is the way to save himself, ultimately to get himself elected and it hope that these cases go away after that, i mean maybe he stays in. at least in theory. but i don't know how he does. it >> trump has always tried the cases in the court of public opinion as opposed to in the court itself. his attorneys, to the extent that he doesn't have to show up to any of these hearings, then he is going to continue trying this case -- and go out on the campaign trail. at this certain point, i would think, again i am not an attorney, i would think that some just are going to, say enough is enough. you need to be in this courtroom because there are enough questions that need to be asked and answered, or you need to hear the case against you. i don't know if judges have the ability to keep him in court. >> the judge of new york does, because the judge here in new york has said that. >> we will see if there are

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president was not worthy of leadership. perspective now from cnn political analyst and new york times national political reporter, astead herndon. is this chris christie's redemption tour? he boosted trump, dropped out of the race. help him to prepare for the debate against president biden. got almost near fatal covid at the white house during the supreme court amy cohen baron was getting confirmed. what you see and his announcement? >> i see this is somebody making a clear legacy play. see this is someone who sees an open space to be the anti trump candidate in the race. start with the obvious right, there is a tough path to see for chris christie being a nomination. getting the republican nomination, he would probably admit that himself. probably occupies the third tier in the race. if donald trump represents the top, tehran desantis is clear alternative, leading the other pack is in the second tier. chris christie's in the 30. that does not mean he is irrelevant. this is some because real money

back in. somebody who has relationships in new york. reports say he could have a big financial backer. we'll see no he is real political skill. somebody who was a republican front runner in the pre-trump version. he is willing to be blunt, he's willing to say what is in the air. he is ready for a political battle. the key moment the pilot of folks remember is on that debate stage last time when he really went after senator marco rubio, who was at the time a real leading republican figure one of the administrable trump. he might have a similar impact and this type of rice --, using that political skill and financial backing. >> he views being able to debate as one of his big political skills, do we even know if he can qualify for the debate stage? >> that is the real question. the rnc has laid out the pathway to get to the debate stage. he is going to need to drive thunders and he is going to need to buy the polls. the current polls have him at

1%. he is going to relocate and some of those balls. the reason he is having a tough time is because there is not enough republicans who are anti trump. it is simple. the republican base is still lovely with donald trump even more so, people open to other alternatives are not specifically against the former president. he has a hard pill to climb in order to drive that support. this is someone making a clear play to redeem his name from someone who is out of between supporting trump and not supporting trump. he is now trying to make clear case and be a real conservative anti trump case. not someone making a case from the left against trump , saying

he contradicted himself on conservative principles. >> he is the only one who has gone after trump and the way that he did. we showed a clip of. it it was an extended version of that, in his speech. does that help that would him because he is the one first willing to go after trump? >> it gusts to which him. it forces the terms of the debate to shift. he is someone who is going to make it plain, have an anti trump case, for us other candidates who have been tiptoeing around it to have to confront it specifically.

not just on the debate stage, but how he uses his voice to push through topics in the media. how he pushes folks to do things, maybe on twitter or social media, someone who could influence the race in that's or away. he has such a difficult path to really make an impact because he is running against the realities of how donald trump has reforms the republican party. this is not a republican party who is reluctant what it was, they have really embraced how >> as we have been talking about, governor chris christie is entering a large and growing republican field that now includes former vice president pence, he filed his paperwork is that, he is expected to officially announce tomorrow. our next guest, also a 2024 republican candidate, the field growing this much, do you think that is helpful or is that only going to be helpful to donald trump? >> i think it is not helpful, as a candidate myself, i welcome the competition. i think more debates especially on the debate stage starting in august is going to be good for the republican party defining what we stand for and why we stand for it. so, i embraced the competition. i think it makes us beta and i am ready for it. >> do you think chris christie's campaign is a kamikaze mission to take out trump? >> i don't have an analysis of chris christie's campaign on the politics of it. i am running against christie, trump, desantis, and everybody else in this race looking forward. i will say that a lot of course these criticism towards trump,

his vengeance and grievance and backward looking at the jute, i don't know that more vengeance and grievance towards trump helps us look forward. the reason i am in this race, caitlin, is i think conservatives have gotten too much into the habit of running from something. i am the person in this race who is leading us to something. what it actually mains to be an american. the more we can look forward, the more we can ask ourselves what will be running to, the better off we will be as a country. >> trump is still the front runner of this race. do you believe his grievances help the party look for? >> i don't. i think that we go further when we do it based on first principles and moral authority. not vengeance and grievance. i think reagan set a good example in that respect. reviving the missing national identity that we lacked in the late 1970s. i think we are in the middle of a national under the crisis now. and i am running to lead us out of it. i am 37, caitlin i and the first millennial ever to run for u. s.

president as a republican. i think it might just take someone from my generation to reach the next generation with the sense of civic pride in american identity that we have long elect. you don't get it from the democrats, it is up to the republican party to revive it. that is why i'm in the race. >> you have talked about your polling, comparing it to where trump stood at this time in the 20th in rice. i think one question people have when they see how big the school is getting, is not just who is getting in that when you know when the time comes to get out? did you think he will be able to identify when it is time to lay the, race if that happens? >> yeah, look, i think we have a clear path to the debate stage. i think the debate stage is going to be critical. any polling before the debate stage, just like when trump ran in politically, is irrelevant. i think it is irrelevant this time around as well. i think the dynamic of this race changes dramatically, starting in august with that first debate stage, and the serial debate through this

fall. iowa and new hampshire exist as early states for a reason. i spent a lot of time there. the voters there keep a very open mind. they are able to tell who is real from who is a plastic politician. i think after that you are going to see people make decisions about stepping out between new hampshire and super tuesday. i am confident that our past texas all the way to the nomination, just as donald trump did in 2015. i and the outsider in this race. one of the things i see on the grounds, that people on the outside may not appreciate, is we are destined to become the party that puts the outsider in the white house. a real disdain for professional politicians. let the democrats put up a career politician. i think the gop is going to regularly be the party who nominates the outside up for the white house, i think i and the upstart for this. you've been running, you say that if you believe, if you become president you would allow ukraine to make pretty major concessions to rush or an order and that will. what are those conditions exactly?

>> specifically, the deal that i would do, is that it would freak the current lines of control. korean war style. armistice agreement. i would further commit that nato would never admit ukraine. permanent stop on ukraine entering nato. which is that we split up the russia china alliance. i think the china russia military alliance is the top military threat that the united states faces. the biggest nuclear stockpile and russia compete with the biggest economy and other credibility is in china. those two nations are allies and that is why china is now coming to participate in this bowl. >> what makes you think that russia would accept that? given putin wants to control all of ukraine, not just the part of that they have now? >> i think that it is a net win is also we make the commitment that ukraine is not going to join nato -- you know what,

angela merkel made some ill-advised -- merkel made some analyzed comments late last year saying that the minsk accords were really just about ukraine biding time. putin then asked for commitment that nato would not invite ukraine before he actually went on to invade. similar pattern played out in georgia, 2008. i actually do think that putin does not enjoy being shaken things little brother and i moved from my bilateral international order to a trilateral international warda is a big win for putin but a bigger win for us. it is the reverse maneuver of what nixon to both now and not into the. mouse about was not a hero than, putin is not her now. but we post china away from russia. today, potion is the new mao. that is my sweeping pop foreign policy vision for how we also deter china from going up to taiwan. china's number one bit is that the u. s. will not want to go to war with two nuclear allied superpowers,

russia and china, at once. xi jinping is probably correct about that. if you pull up how the alliance, with the deter shipping from going through taiwan. >> speaking of taiwan, would you order a u. s. military response if china did invade taiwan and you are in the oval office? >> to be clear, the plan i have laid out his pain and deterring china from guam to taiwan. >> if you can't deter them wouldn't you want a u. s. military response? >> for as long as the u. s. depends on taiwan for semiconductors and u. s. semi conductor itself efficiency, i would -- that island nation powers outweigh of lies. i am an america first conservative, i look after american interests. taiwan matters and await ukraine's. not >> vivek ramaswamy, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and a quick reminder on thursday i am going to sit down with the british prime minister rushes tonight in washington, that will air on thursday night right here. ukraine will be a big topic for him.

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the allegation we should note of course. interestingly both the chairman, comer and ranking democrat on the committee jamie raskin have already seen the document in question after reviewing it just yesterday. >> joining me now is congressman dan goldman of new york who is a member of the house oversight committee. good evening congressman. thank you for joining us. of course you dealt with a lot of the hunter biden allegations back when you are working on the 2019 impeachment. with this happening now, do you view this as legitimate oversight. do you understand why republicans want to hold the fbi director in contempt? >> no, i don't at all. and i don't both for procedural reasons and substantive regions. first on the procedural side. the fbi director has substantially complied by providing the chairman and ranking member access to this document. which if disseminated to the rest of the committee might impede on the confidentiality of sources.

but more importantly it is that the substance of this document has been debunked over and over again. don't take my word for it, the 17 witnesses in the first impeachment investigation who said on equivocally that vice president joe biden executed official u.s. policy by encouraging ukraine to fire its prosecutor general. because he was not prosecuting corruption, including against paris seema. but you should take the word of the trump department of justice. which received this information in this document that chairman comer and ranking member raskin looked at. they evaluated it and determined that it did not warrant further investigations. so this is just an effort for the house republicans to rehash debunked allegations and launder them through an official committee of the congress in order to hurt joe

biden and help republican nominee for president. >> we know the trump justice department did look into this. it is there any chance democrats can convince republicans if this makes it through the panel to vote against this? >> well it is a very dangerous precedent. we have five republican members of congress in the last congress defined congressional subpoenas by simply not showing up. donald trump said that when he was president he would defy all subpoenas and during the impeachment investigation we got no documents from our subpoenas to the state department. so if they are not going to say that substantial compliance by the fbi director as part of the accommodations process warrants contempt, then they should be careful what they are doing when the tide turns and the shoe is on the other foot. >> separately to, i i want to ask you about the developments we are seeing happen in the trump investigation. notably that mark meadows, who is one of the most key witnesses potentially has not

testified to the special counsel. we do not know if he was january 6th, we don't know if it was documents. but how do you see the fact he has now come forward and testified? of course after a subpoena and is a temper the former president. >> this is a critical difference between a -- mark meadows refused to testify to the january six committee. he was held in contempt, but ultimately did not get his testimony. on the criminal side, though, they litigated it. it's a grand jury compels him to testify. he was the chief of staff. he was in the room for almost all of the significant event related to the effort to overturn the 2020 election. so, he was also there, when the documents were removed originally from the white house. mark meadows is going to have very significant information for the special counsel to evaluate as part of his investigation. >> congressman dan goldman, we will see where that investigation goes. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, caitlin.

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called the surprise partnership between the pga tour and rival saudi-backed lead quote great news. saying it was a big, beautiful and glamour steel. of course he has hosted several of the live tours tournaments in his own courses. the chair of the 9/11 families united who lost her husband in the attacks saw it differently. calling the decision quote despicable. called the decision discussed. and the decision that has happened today shocked many in the sports world. coming after a year of public and legal bitter fighting between the two. and it was a shock to many, including their own players. also it is a reversal of how monahan framed the idea of working with the saudis just a year ago. >> i think you would have to be living under a rock to not know that there are significant implications.

and as it relates to the families of 9/11, i have two families who are close to me that lost loved ones so my heart goes out to them. and i would ask any player that has left or any player that would ever consider leaving. have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the pga tour? >> that was, then one year and one partnership later. this is how monahan is framing working with the saudi arabia. >> i recognize that people will call me a hypocrite. and anytime i have said anything, i say it with the information i have at the moment. and i say based on somebody who is trying to compete for the pga tour and our players. >> i am now joined by bryson dechambeau, a pro golfer and early recruit to the saudi-backed liv golf the. bryson thank you for joining us tonight. you were an early recruit, but we heard how critical people like monahan were not that long

ago about this. saying that they were concerned about saudi arabia and their human rights record. what do you think is behind this shift? >> caitlin, thank you for having me, on i appreciate it and i think that there is a lot more behind closed doors than what has been going on. what i can tell you is that he has always been a staunch supporter of golf globally. and wanting to grow the game. that has been the vision from the start. when we first started talking a few years ago. and as it has come to fruition now, i think that this is the best thing that could have ever happened for the game of golf. and i am extremely proud to be a part of that because of the fact that the fans are going to get what they want. the players will experience something a little different in new on the pga tour's side. but i truly believe in the end that the game of golf winds in this scenario. what >> about for the players who stuck with the pga tour? who did not accept a lot of money coming their way from the live tour. because of comments from people

like monahan and the criticism you have faced. do you see pat monahan as a hypocrite in this situation? >> well look, i really feel bad for the information that was delivered to the players in the pga tour. once you stuck with him. we did take a risk, the players who went over took a risk and there is a reason for taking the risk relative to the capitol that had to be paid up for that to occur. but i do feel bad for the pga tour players. because they were told one thing and something else happened and on our side we are told one thing and it has come to fruition. and look, in the and for me i want the players, the fans in the game of golf to win. and it does stink a little bit from my perspective at the pga tour players are not necessarily winning. i hope they can find a way to make sure that they are valued in the same way that we are. over at live. i think that will happen, it will just take some time with

players pushing back a little bit in trying to figure out what makes them the best opportunity to be successful. and eventually we come back together now in play as a group and i think that is the best thing, watching this play week in and week out. best players against each other. >> when you say bad, information with me? >> that -- look there is a lot of information that can be delivered on both sides. whether it is right or wrong is always subject to what people believe. behind closed doors there is a lot going on. that anyone could really taken. and a lot of players just were not willing to take the risk. whereas plays like myself had decent information. we're willing to take the risk. because not only did it change our lives but it would potentially change the landscape of the game of golf. of which we have all believed in. that's going to live for a long time. it will be in the same position. we all believed that there was a better path to grow the game. and give people a new viewpoint

and fresh perspective on the game of golf. and what you're seeing here now is that it has finally come to a place, the pga tour realized, it live realized, we are better together and not a part. >> one thing that is not behind closed doors which we do know is that the live tours backed by saudi public investment fund. by the saudi crown prince muhammad both someone. because of this, it isn't much criticism. including from families of 9/11 victims. the crew put out a statement today saying quote, the pga and monahan, referring to commissioner have appeared to become just more paid saudi shields. taking billions of dollars to cleanse the saudi reputation. how do you respond to that? >> i think we will never be able to repay the families back for what exactly happened. just over 20 years ago. and what happened is definitely horrible. and i think as time has gone on, 20 years has passed and we are

in a place now where it is time to start trying to work together to make things better together as a whole. i have deep sympathy, i don't know exactly what they are feeling. can every or no, but have a huge amount of respect for their position and what they believe. nor do everyone anything like that to occur again. i think as we move forward, we have to look towards a pathway to peace. especially and forgiveness especially if we are trying to mend the world and make it a better place. i think that this is what they are trying to accomplish. live is trying to accomplish the pif is trying to accomplish. we are trying to accomplish this better world for everybody. anyway to provide great entertainment for everybody around the world. >> it's not just about 9/11. does it make you uncomfortable at all because it is not just that. they are accused of financing terrorism, they also are accused of killing a washington post reporter, jamal khashoggi. how do you feel knowing that is where the money is backed by? >> yeah, i mean look, it is unfortunate what is happened.

and it's something i can't necessarily speak on as i am a golfer. but what i can say is that what they are trying to do and what they are trying to work on is to be better allies because we are allies with them and look i will not get into the politics of it, i'm not specialized in. that but what i can, say they're trying to do good for the world. showcase themselves in a light that has not been seen in a while. nobody is perfect, but we are all trying to improve in life. >> yeah, i think they would say it's not just about politics that it is also about human rights. that is where critics have avoided so heavenly on this. bryson, we thank you for your time, and thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me on, appreciate it. >> coming up, florida officials are now admitting that the administration of the governor ron desantis did arrange the flights of migrants to california. admit a bit of a mystery. california's governor previously suggested kidnapping charges could be on the table. we will discuss the fight with california's attorney general next.

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>> before we go tonight, to cnn presidential town halls to tell you about. tomorrow night, former vice president mike pence is going to take questions at a town hall moderated by dana bash. tomorrow nine pm eastern. and also, this coming monday at eight pm, anderson will moderate a town hall with a new declared and big trump critic no republican chris christie. thank you for joining us, the news continues right here on cnn. >> a warm welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i'm paula newton.

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