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back. >> this is a big day for you. >> do you want to tell them why? >> preschool graduation. you know, you're a couple days behind me. i already had the preschool and kindergarten graduation. >> i need to have a couple more kids to catch up with where you're at. >> that's a little personal. >> phil is right. i have to take off a little early today because my son is graduating from preschool. >> congratulations. >> got sarah to come sit by your side. we have a few hours before that happens. a lot of news. let's get started for five things to know for this wednesday, june 7th. new york and detroit are in the top three on the list for the world's worst air pollution right now. as smoke from a canadian wildfire makes skies hazy in the midwest and right here along the east coast. you're looking at live pictures of a very smokey sunrise here in new york city. >> and a big development in the federal investigation into former president trump. his last chief of staff, mark meadows, testified before a federal grand jury. dwoen

we don't know if he was asked about the attempts to overturn the 2020 election or classified documents or anything else for that matter. but we'll keep you posted on that. trump's former vice president, he is in the race. he released a video moments ago announcing he'll take on his old boss in the race for the white house. he is not the only republican to throw his hat in the ring today. >> a high school graduation becomes the scene of a mass shooting in virginia. a gunman opened fire as hundreds of people stood outside the ceremony, some in caps and gowns, killing two people and wounding five more. >> breaking overnight, the pope is in the hospital, set to undergo abdominal surgery. he'll stay hospitalized for several days. what we're learning about his condition. "cnn this morning" starts right now. >> i went on a run -- i'm on a

run club tuesday nights. it was so hard to breathe. the air is so full of smoke. >> i have so many questions about your run club runs on tuesday nights. >> the way the haze is. this is the morning view, folks. this is what you're looking at. look at new york city, up and down the west coast and the wildfire and smoke blanketing american cities in the northeast and midwest, new york city right there. tens of millions of you and tens of millions of americans from minnesota down to north carolina this morning, they're at ricsk f breathing unhealthy air. new york city had the worst pollution. detroit is also in the top five. this is what it looked like at the yankees game last night. you can see the reddish brown sky over the stadium. here's the statue of liberty shrouded in a thick haze.

we have team coverage. let's start with our meteorologist tracking it. also, we have our national correspondent athena jones here in manhattan with a mask given how bad it is outside. the mayor is telling people stay inside as much as they can. is that right? >> good morning, poppy. that's right. it's because of the air quality reaching what officials call a very unhealthy level overnight. as you mentioned, i'm wearing a mask. you can get a look at the city. that is our building there among the buildings behind us. you can still see the haze this morning. as you mentioned this smoke from 100 wildfires in canada isn't just affecting new york city. you mentioned detroit. it's also stretching across large parts of the northeast. all the way down to rollaleigh, north carolina. >> reporter: people in new york city masking up again, not because of vicovid did you tell butt to harmful smoke. new york city is the top five

most air polluted cities in the world. the air quality index soared past 200. that's a very unhealthy level. the poor air quality is caused by more than 150 active wildfires burning in canada. the smoke from those fires creating a haze for millions. >> it should be super crowded. everybody should be trying to get the good air. it's not crowded. that tells you something, right? >> more than 40 million people across the northeast, midwest, and mid-atlantic are under air quality alerts. affecting areas around boston, shrouding pittsburgh in smoke, leaving hartford, connecticut, over dense haze and smoke over new jersey. the haze clouded the game and the stadium. >> i'm not going to just stay in the air because of the haze. >> it is a little hazy. they say, you shouldn't do strenuous activity.

i feel like i can go for a run right now. you know? i know i shouldn't maybe. >> sports and family medicine physician warns even if you can't see the smoke, it can still cause harm. >> particle sizes are very small which allows them to penetrate deeply into the lung tissue. so, what the smoke generally does to the lungs, the thought is that it increases inflammation into the lungs. >> at least ten school districts in central new york have canceled outdoor activities due to poor air quality which is not expected to improve in the coming days. as a cold front will likely push more smoke south and east into the u.s. >> children who are at higher risk of lung conditions, certainly will be appropriate to minimize their exposure to the outdoor air. >> now, safety is an issue. wildfire smokes contains par tick lat matter. this is among the tiniest and most dangerous of pollutants. this is the stuff you can breathe deeply into your lungs

and get into the bloodstream and linked to asthma, heart disease, respiratory illnesses. we're watching out for a press conference from eric adams a few hours from now to get an update and how long they expect this situation to last. >> athena, thank you for the reporting. please keep us posted as we hear more from the mayor. and you've seen the sky lines in new york. here's a look at the hazy sky lines in philadelphia, baltimore, charlotte, north carolina, all across this part of the country. derrick vandam is with us now. how much longer will this smoke, this smog fill the skies in cities across the u.s.? >> phil, i think we've got several more hours if not another day of seeing more scenes like this playing out in the national mall. looks like to me a climate change movie playing out in real time. definitely the fingerprints of climate change written all over this story. and we could see this wall of smoke literally traveling across lake erie yesterday as it

coalesced in that area. eventually drifting south and impacting the major metropolitans of the east coast. the most populated areas. you can seat unhealthy and very unhealthy red and magenta colored dots. this is a forecast for the near surface smoke. you can see yet another plume starting to develop late tonight. that will drift south from buffalo and impact the nation's capital, new york, and the air quality and visibility. keep in mind, this is important perspective. we're well under way within our burn season within canada. you can see in 2023, we reached the five past hot seasons in terms of acres burned in canada so far. >> mark meadows has testified now, we learned, from a federal grand jury. this is part of jack smith's probe. it's not clear this morning is whether meadows gave testimony regarding former president

trump's hand willing of classified documents or his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election or both. trump tried to block meadows' testimony. a judge jrejected his claims of executive privilege. let's join evan perez. let's begin with meadows. a critical witness. who knows more than the man who is always around the man in the white house. we don't know if jack smith wanted classified documents or trying to overturn the election or both, right? >> right. we don't know, poppy. good morning, by the way. >> good morning. >> the fact is that, you know, based on what we've seen with other witnesses, prosecutors typically bring in witnesses and ask them about both matters. that's what we expect would have happened here. as you pointed out, mark meadows is arguably the biggest witness in both of these investigations. he was there when the former president was formulating his

effort to try to stay in office despite losing the election. he was involved in trying to tell members of congress that there was this plan. you saw some of the text messages from the january 6 committee investigation. he outlined the plan and they took it. try to get states to send alternate electors and try to make sure that the former president could remain in office. we also know that obviously, he played a key role in the fact that prosecutors have this recording of trump at bedminster. this is something we know his biographers, people working on his biography, recorded as the former president was waving a document and acknowledged he believed it was still classified. that undercuts the former president's claim that he declassified everything. for the -- both of the investigations, mark meadows is witness number one. >> one thing you're aware of

this. in washington, there is long been a game going on about whether or not might be cooperating, whether or not -- what is his involvement here? obviously, we have the testimony. one question that i've always had is does he, does mark meadows have any of his own possible legal exposure? >> absolutely, phil. he was very, very central to the effort to try to pressure state officials. again, to try to overturn their own election results. we know that he was on the phone with officials in georgia. and that's one reason why he was subpoenaed in the state of georgia to testify in their state investigation. he showed up and pleaded the fifth. now we have a statement from his lawyer which will make the hairs on the neck of donald trump's team stand. he says this, he says, mark meadows has maintained a

commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so. again, if you're the trump team, those are the words that you suspected, we know they long suspected, and it doesn't sound very good to them. >> right. there is also a witness in the documents probe in florida today. this week we learned about another grand jury in jack smith's probe not in the nation's capital but in florida. do we know who will speak to the grand jury today? we don't know who? >> we know it is somebody working closely with the in florida. it is a very recent development. there have been a number of secret service witnesses brought there. we don't know exactly why after months of using a grand jury or grand juries in washington they decided to use grand jury in florida. there are a number of reasons they could do that. we do expect that witness to make an appearance in the coming

hours. poppy and phil? >> okay. you're going to have a lot on your plate today, evan. >> absolutely. >> it's like every day at this point. >> all week. >> all year. >> thanks, buddy. >> all right. also new this morning, former vice president mike pence announced he is running for president. he released a video declaring he's jumping into that very crowded republican field. >> we can turn this country around. different times call for different leadership. today our party and country need a leader that will appeal to the better angels of our nature. much is given and much is required. my family and i have been blessed beyond measure with opportunities to serve this nation. it will be easy to stay on the sidelines. that's not how i was raised. that's why today, before god and my family, i'm announcing i'm running for president of the united states.

>> cnn joins us now from iowa. beautiful iowa. the former vice president is set to make his first official campaign stop there if a few hours. what are we expecting? >> we're expecting to hear the campaign says is really a layout of how the vice president and the former vice president views the path forward for the republican party. he lays out a conservative vision. we saw it in that launch video. but notably, he is recalling the days of reagan and not naming the president he served with, donald trump. we can turn this country around and different times call for different leadership. >> breaking out on his own, former vice president mike pence. >> before god and my family, i'm announcing i'm running for president of the united states. >> in that declaration, pence said something historic battle with donald trump, former running mates on the republican ticket are now running against each other. something the american voter has

rarely ever witnessed. this challenge comes from a lieutenant who served trump with visible loyalty. until january 6. the insurrectionists fueled by trump's election lies called for pence's execution. presiding over the ceremonial certification of the election. it began their political divorce. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. >> reporter: in his campaign, pence will tout the conservative ideals of ronald reagan, his decades of experience as a member of congress, indiana governor and vice president as well as trump era policies without trump. pence's former boss, the clear front runner in polls said, good luck. >> we had a very strong, nice relationship until the very end. i wish he would have put the votes back to the legislatures

and legislators also. >> reporter: trump is a pacesetter for the entire republican field which continues to grow. north dakota governor expects to announce today. >> anger, yelling, in fighting, that's not going to cut it anymore. let's get things done. >> reporter: and former new jersey governor chris cyhristie who jumped into the race yesterday. >> i'm going in there to take out donald trump. i want him to win. i don't want him to win. >> very big first day live ahead for the former vice president. after this kickoff rally here in iowa, he'll be spending the evening at a cnn town hall. phil? >> thank you so much. great reporting as always. tonight the best in the business. dana bash will moderate a cnn republican presidential town hall with mike pence. you can watch it here and only here at 9:00 p.m. eastern.

next monday, anderson cooper will host a town hall with chris christie. >> and chris christie will join jake tapper live on "the lead today." so we have a lot ahead. also new this morning, all eyes on pope francis. he is undergoing surgery. we'll have the latest on his condition, what the vatican is saying about his health. and happening now, prince harry is back in court for his battle with british tabloids accused of hacking his phone. we'll take you live to london ahead. ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggs loudly ] ♪ jitterbug! ♪

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moments ago we learned that pope francis will undergo abdomen mall surgery today. he's expected to stay in the hospital several days. he had a scheduled checkup at the same hospital in rome tuesday. the 86-year-old pontiff faced a series of health issues. he's been using a cane and wheelchair due to a persistent knee problem. he's been keeping a busy schedule. he is expected to visit portugal and mongolia in august. >> sending all good thoughts to him. water levels are getting extremely low for the nuclear power plant. remember, we talked about this yesterday and the concern because the power plant relies on water emptying from the collapsed dam in ukraine. the breach forced mass evacuations and sparked fears of environmental devastation. and officials say more than 1400 people have been evacuated from

homes. some residents trying to save their belongings. ukraine and russia accusing each other of blowing up this dam as u.s. and western officials say they're seeing signs of ukraine's highly anticipated counter offensive beginning. we're live in ukraine with more. a lot to get to. what can you tell us about? we see the water and boats. they're trying to evacuate people, obviously. >> they have been evacuating people overnight. there are a bunch of boats getting ready. crews getting ready to head out right now. and the authorities here are saying that's been going on nonstop because the water levels have been rising so fast that a lot of people were not able to get out of their houses after that catastrophic break. that said, that dam is so important in this region. here's what we're learning. >> reporter: masses of water gushing from the gaping hole in

the destroyed dam in russian controlled territory here in south ukraine. massive flooding quickly inundating villages on both shores of the mighty river, impacting areas controlled by ukrainians and by the russians. as you can see, there is a massive rescue effort going on here. local authorities are using both and heavy trucks to get as many people out of the zone as they can. >> reporter: this 65-year-old woman was stranded in her home with her cat sonya for hours fearing for her life. >> no. >> now i'm not scared, she says. but there it was scary. why, i ask? because of the water. the water came and don't know from where it comes and where it will go. the authorities here say they've evacuated hundreds of people throughout the day. at times under russian fire, the head of the military administration tells me. we have the water, he says. mines, mines are floating to

here and this district is constantly being shelled. they blame moscow for blowing up the dam and the russians are trying to derail ukraine's current battlefield gains. it was mined by the russian occupiers, he says, and they blew it up. this, once again, demonstrates the cynicism with which russia treats the people whose land it captured. e ukrainian forces are making gains on the battled field. the ukrainians have not confirmed. that russia's army denies blowing up the dam. instead, blaming the ukrainians. >> aiming to prevent the offensive operations by the russian army on the section of the front line, the kyiv jregim

commit aid terrorist act, the defense minister said. the floodwaters affecting levels, upstream, the levels are low. around the power plant, the biggest in all of europe. that relies on a pond connected to the river for cooling. the international atomic agency says so far there's no danger. fw but that could change. >> it is vital that this cooling pond, this cooling pond remains intact. nothing must be done to potentially undermine the integrity. >> so, poppy, there are very difficult, very dangerous situation on so many levels right now for this region. one of the things i think people at home need to understand is that these rescue operation that's we're seeing on the ground, they're happening under constant shelling. it's a very dangerous thing for the rescuers and people stranded as well.

a couple minutes ago, the ukrainian president came out and he said because of the situation, 100,000 people around this area are now without drinking water. >> wow. hundreds of thousands without drinking water in the middle of the shelling, in the middle of a war zone. fred, thank you. we're so glad you're there. it's a move that caught the golf world off guard. players and families of 9/11 victims are reacting to the pga partnering with liv golf. >> and a gunman opened fire as hundreds of people stood outside a graduation ceremony in richmond, virginia. the two people were killed. we have the latest on that ahead. safety radar detector: watch for traffic. and our most advanced safety s system ever. ♪

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welcome back. gun shots rang out near a high school graduation yesterday in richmond, virginia. the ceremonies had just ended. the shots caused hundreds of people in attendance to scatter, fearing obviously for their lives. two people were killed. at least five more were injured. one of those a 9-year-old girl who was hit by a car as she fled the scene. one witness described what he saw. >> just everybody started running and pushed her down on the ground. we got down on the ground.

and it's just chaos from there. you just kept hearing shots. it's like eight, nine, ten shots. >> as i heard the gunfire, it was obviously chaos. because people were having panic attacks, falling on the ground, screaming. >> this should not be happening anywhere. anywhere. whether it's in richmond, whether it's in virginia. the whether it's in the united states. this should not be happening anywhere. >> police arrested a 19-year-old who they say may have known one of the victims. he is expected to face two counts of second-degree murder. a total of four firearms were recovered from the scene at richmond public schools closed to days apes people grieve the shooting. >> anthony blinken met with the saudi president. they had an open and candid discussion on several issues. he is headed to riyadh to talk to other saudi officials. saudi arabia announces they will

slash oil output in july. that is important to think about as we go back to the u.s. pro golfers around the world are now reacting to the pga's shocking -- i want to put emphasis on shocking -- announcement that they're partnering with the saudi-backed liv golf league. they announced a deal yesterday after more than a year-long bitter feud between the two groups. big shoutout to the washington operatives cashing retainer checks from the pga who now have to do a total 180 on the pitch to lawmakers. coy, the players said that they had no clue this announcement was coming. that's wild to me. >> yeah. two-time major champion collin morikawa tweeted, love finding out morning news on twitter. a big shock to many many players. even star players. and pga tour commissioner jay monahan held an intense meeting with players yesterday ahead of the canadian open. here's some of them speaking about and what what went on behind the doors. >> it was contentious.

there were many moments where certain players were calling for new leadership of the pga tour and even got a couple standing ovations. there was a lot of anger in the room from players. feeling they can't trust what the leadership says anymore. >> did any players call jay a hypocrite in the meeting? >> it was mentioned, yeah. >> and he took it? he said yeah? >> he took it, for sure. >> now monahan was asked about that change of his position on the pga tour accepting money from saudi arabia. a year ago, he was blasted players who chose to jump over and join liv golf. >> i recognize that people are going to call me a hypocrite. and any time i said anything, i said it with the information i had at that moment. and i said it based on someone that is trying to compete for the pga tour and our players. and, so, i accept those criticisms. but circumstances do change and i think that, you know, in

looking at the big picture and looking at it this way, that's what got us to this point. >> the governor of saudi arabia's sovereign wealth fund will join the pga tour's board of directors and leave the new business venture as chairman. the pga tour will have a majority stake. the commissioner said the agreement was reached after seven weeks of talks as part of the deal both sides are dropping all pending lawsuits. phil, poppy, liv players can start to play on the pga tour again after this 2023 season. >> i have a lot of questions. one of them is, so the players had no say. they just have to do this? is that right? >> yeah. that's right. and they must be frustrating for those players who did not jump over and cash out on joining liv. they must be lived now that they're being forced to do so without having been asked.

the pga doing exactly pga players that they shouldn't do which is accept money from liv golf. >> exactly. >> this story is amazing. coy, thank you, as always. keep talking about this. >> and bob costas will be on later to talk about it. >> i'm sure he has views. very candid views. here's one of donald trump's most trusted allies. now he's a critical witness in the investigation into his former boss. the information mark meadows may have shared with the federal grand jury. former deputy white house press secretary who worked with trump and with meadows will join us live to discuss coming up next.

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welcome back. sources telling cnn that trump's former chief of staff mark meadows testified before a federal grand jury investigating trump. meadows is a key figure in two investigations related to the former president. the probe into trump's effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and the investigation into his handling of classified documents. we must note, it's not clear which line of inquiry, not both, the special counsel is considering. january 6 or classified documents? again, could be both. joining us now, sarah matthews, the former deputy press secretary under donald trump. i want to take this back a minute. there are so many names and multiple investigations.

so much going on. talk to me about who mark meadows is, was and what his role was in the administration that you were able to see? >> so mark meadows was the chief of staff. he played a super hands on role in everything that trump did. he always wanted to be in every meeting. he wanted to be around so that way trump would see him and lean on him and but then also he kind of was one of his chief enablers. i think in terms of both of the investigations, whether it's the classified documents case or the january 6 probe and the plot to overturn the 2020 election, he was a central figure in both.

>> is he someone that took a lot of notes, wrote memos, wrote things down after he left the room? >> i think that what we kind of learned from cassidy hutchison's testimony, which was one of his top aides and was right by his side in nearly every meeting, was that she took a lot of notes. so i'm sure if she testified before either of those grand juries, that her notes and her account events would be crucial to the investigation. >> and his text messages. >> yeah. >> there are a lot of them. >> if he wasn't taking notes, he was text messaging everything. >> great point. >> throughout the process. you can put those two things together. i do want to x. yoask, you know saw chris christie say something about debating trump and get your sense of what would work and not work. take a listen. >> you better have somebody on that stage who can do to him

what i did to mark. >> adjustment for context what christie is referring to is a moment in 2016 where he basically ended marco rubio's campaign by destroying him verbally, rhetorically and painfully on the debate stage. do you think that that's possible with the former president given how we've seen him operate over the course of the last several years? >> i think if we learned anything about trump is he is teflon. no matter what attack you launch at him. just seems to spring right off. we saw what i was able to do with marco rubio in 2016. i don't think anyone else in the race is going to take donald trump on as we have seen chris christie willing to do so. we have seen others that kind of attacked trump. ron desantis has been starting to be a little bit more fierce in his attacks towards trump.

asa hutchison has been. asa hutchison said he would support a donald trump canned da sichlt i don't know if you'll see chris christie take that same agreement. his candidacy seems to be a kamikaze candidacy. he knows that his chances at -- >> you think that? >> i believe that. i think he knows that he's unpopular with voters and that he is just going to be that disruptor candidate who is going to create a lane for another candidate. >> he takes issue with that, obviously. >> that has been a narrative. what he said yesterday that is interesting, i love seeing the press coverage of me getting to run. christie doesn't care about winning. all he cares about is destroying trump. i do think it forgets how he governed new jersey. not all perfect, at all. but won by a wide margin that there was bridgegate. that will be an issue for him. but does saying he's only

running to destroy trump leave out what he has done in his own career? >> i have a hard time taking the candidacy seriously, maybe because he flip-flopped so much for his support for trump. >> totally fair. will they enable and support trum snp. >> exactly. he legitimatized the candidacy. i think now he has flip-flopped just because of political expediency. he was supporting trump up until 2020. he was trump's debate prepper for the debates against joe biden. i think that is an interesting fact that will be interesting to see how that plays out if he is on a debate stage with trump given that he helped prep him. he might know what his weak points are. >> we have to go. quickly, do you think the former president is worried about being on the debate stage with chris christie? >> i think he is worried about being on the debate stage with anyone at this point. he hasn't had to debate, you know, anyone since 2016 other than joe biden, of course. but he hasn't had to be challenged by a ton of

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this is a significant moment on a story we brought you yesterday. police arrested a woman in connection with the fatal shooting of her name. the woman killed is a.j. owe ensz. the sheriff says that susan luis was taken into custody. she was taken into custody late last night, four days after owens was shot. she is facing multiple charges including manslaughter and assault. officials say that the victim and that is the victim on your screen, was the mother of four. the two of them were in a long-running feud over her children playing outside. the latest incident took place friday when lawrence shot through the front door. the victim's mother said this at a news conference just yesterday. >> my grandchildren's mother was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to

her. she had no weapon. she posed no eminent threat to anyone. >> now, lawrence claims that she acted in self-defense. detectives say her actions were not justifiable under florida state law. we'll continue to follow this. >> also this morning, prince harry back in a london courtroom for a second day of testimony against the uk publisher. the mirror newspaper group is accused of illegally accessing private information including hacking phones. on tuesday, during hours of grueling questioning by the defense, the duke said to be loid -- tabloids have tried to ruin his relationships. what about today's second day of historic testimony? >> well, phil, we're seeing behind us in the court is prince harry facing yet another round of intense questioning by the lawyer representing the british

tabloid publisher. they're pressing the duke of sussex on the finer details around articles submitted by his team between the 1990s and 2009. articles, the telltale signs of unlawful information gathering. they're talking about phone hacking, the interception of prince harry haes's voice mails the use of private investigators to leak information around harry's activities. prince harry is very clear in testimony in court about the impact this invasion of privacy has had on his life. andrew green pressing prince harry on the evidence, where the proof is that they used aun lawful tactics. how he can prove that phone hack

dg take place and his phone specifically was hacked. prince harry has not been able to provide the final details around. that he maintains he believes it is clear that the newspapers used local tactics to get this private information published in the articles being assessed today in court. phil? >> thank you for the report. >> pope francis is set to undergo surgery today. we'll take you live to the hospital where that will happen in rome. what we're learning about his condition this morning. that's next.

seemingly ordinary procedural vote on a rule went up in flames on the house floor on tuesday. 11 republicans, all aligned with the far right house freedom caucus banned together. they voted against a rule to advance a bill to prohibit the federal government from banning gas stoves. now, it was a rebuke. a direct rebuke of speaker kevin mccarthy. they're upset over the deal he made with president biden. >> we took down the rule because we're frustrated at the way this place is operating. you know, we took a stand in january to end the era of the imperial speakership. >> the protest vote indicates that those members have not exactly decided yet whether to call to oust mccarthy. many rebuking him are allies of former president trump. in his book, our next guest looks at the d.c. landscape after trump. he wrote, yes, washington felt different under trump. but what about once he left? who was allowed to become

powerful? where would they draw that power? what are the rules of the game and how did you win? that's a big part of what this book is about. it's about the washington that predated trump and the washington he left in his wake. mostly though, it's about the people. joining us now is ben terrace, the author of "the big break: the gambler, party animals and true believers to win in america while they lose their mind clon." that's a long title. it's an accurate capture. i thought the last line i read is most important is about people. right? for those that don't know, and i'm unabashed big fan of your work, personally, so-so, but the work is very well known in washington for being the person who actually shows you the real, not kind of the scene of washington. that's why he is so talented and why this book is so fascinating. when he set out to write this book which is not for washington types. this is for people outside of the city who want to understand why the city is so insane

sometimes, what were you thinking? >> yeah. well, when i decided to write the book, i knew that washington was broken, right? i think everyone realized washington was broken. i have this great job where i get to see why. i try to find the most interesting, compelling, weird, bizarre people i can find who also feel, you know, representative of what is going on in washington. i this this great opportunity to find the interesting people and people that are interesting to me and write a book about it, the average person can read it, be entertained, maybe laugh, maybe feel upset about things but also say, oh, this is why things are the way they are. >> and very on brand for you. this is not a book that ever reveals your opinion on things. it just shows people the reality. they get to make the opinion. one of the sharpest realities is one character in particular, if you were in washington over the

course of the last several years an around him, you knew him. he is one of the biggest players in the game. his rise was extraordinarily fast. his his self implosion was extraordinarily fast. you say, shawn seemed to me like the type of person that was made for washington after trump. brash, outsider, earned his way inside and also being the type of preacher that swum in the swum swamp forever. he made big bets, big allies and big enemies. he walked up to the line of acceptable behavior and kept walking. tell me who shawn mcelway is. >> sometimes i got into the book and i'm like why are people letting me in here and why are they saying the things that they're saying? shawn a guy who was a big deal in washington. democratic pollster and big campaigns and getting big meetings. definitely on the rise. he hosted a poker night and a lot of happy hours. but the poker night that i would

go to on a regular basis was wild because this guy didn't just bet on poker. he was betting on politics. he was a pollster. he would bet on the races that he had polling information on. >> sometimes against the candidates he was on retainer for? >> yeah. he would do this openly. if you do the scandalous thing in the open, people think it's no the so scandalous. i'm like, what am i seeing? why is he doing this in front of me? you know, bragging about these bets. but the fact is, nobody seemed to mind for a while. until suddenly everybody did. >> i think the thing that i took from it was not just about him. it was about the people underneath him. came to washington. they were i had logically pure and wanted to do good things. move the party in a specific direction. what is your take way in terms of where they are now? >> yeah, one thing about this book that i think makes it different than the average washington book is it is about actual people. and, you know, people who went to work for shawn wanted to make

change. this is the story of washington. people go to washington to make change often. it's not just filled with people cynical to begin with. but when you go there, sometimes you have a boss that acts a certain way or you see how the levers of power work and you become cynical. for a lot of the people, they're in that fight right now. they're like am i making more change or is this place changing me more than i'm changing it? >> it's just -- am i doing this right? is in a how we do it? >> yeah. >> it's a he really great book. there are 15 characters. it's just great reporting. gives you a really good inside view into a town that seems difficult to understand. maybe after this it is still difficult to understand. you'll be very entertained while reading it. congratulations on the book, my friend. >> thanks, man. appreciate it. >> "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> orange hazardous smokey

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