express their first amendment rights and at the same time, we're going to keep them safe and make sure that there is no disorder. >> good monday morning, everyone. poppy is off today. i'm erica hill, alongside phil mattingly. it's nice to be with you on a big, big morning. start of a really important week. that, of course, is the mayor of miami just there. that city ramping up security as donald trump prepares to surrender himself on federal charges tomorrow. >> the former president will leave new jersey and fly down to miami and potentially just a couple of hours. we'll break down former president trump's plans for today and for tomorrow and what he's saying about the historic indictment against him. >> plus, trump's former national security adviser john bolton is going to join us live to weigh in on these very serious allegations against his former boss. his take on what those mean, too, in terms of national security. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now.

well, this morning, former president trump is set to fly south to florida, as he prepares to turn himself in on federal charges tomorrow. live pictures there outside his resort in bedminster, new jersey. again, he'll be departing within the next few hours from there, making his way to florida, because, of course, he's now facing this historic unprecedented legal battle after being charged with 37 counts. special counsel jack smith's team of prosecutors says the former president illegally kept a stash of highly sensitive records, including military secrets and documents about america's nuclear program and that he allegedly stored them in various places, including a bathroom, a shower, even his bedroom at his mar-a-lago resort. >> now, trump, as you probably would expect, is vowing to stay in the presidential race, even if he's convicted. he's railed against the indictment over the weekend, while he was on the campaign trail. take a listen. >> as far as the joke of an indictment, it's a horrible thing.

it's a horrible thing for this country. i mean, the only good thing about it is that it's driven my poll numbers way up. can you believe this? >> in a matter of hours, officials in miami will hold a news conference as they ramp up security ahead of trump's initial court appearance. sources tell cnn the fbi is tracking potentially threats as violent rhetoric surges online. we're told the far right group, the proud boys, is discussing traveling to florida to show their support for the former president. now, we're covering this from all angles. sara murray, john miller, are all in studio. carlos suarez is in miami, but let's start with elena treene who's in bedminster, where the former president is preparing to leave his golf club and head to the airport. elena, what's your sense of things right now in talking to his team? >> reporter: right, well, good morning, phil, and erica. we are here in bedminster, where donald trump will be leaving soon. he's expected to pass just right by here on his way to miami

ahead of his arraignment tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. now, once he is in florida, we are told that he is going to be meeting with his attorneys to discuss his new florida-based legal strategy. and that's after donald trump abruptly removed two of his attorneys, jim trustee and john rally on friday, just hours after learning of his indictment. tomorrow, donald trump will be arraigned and his advisers will tell me immediately after he's going to be flying back to bedminster, where he will be giving a fund-raiser and also a private dinner and giving live remarks tomorrow night. and we've seen this playbook before, erica and phil. i mean, after he was arraigned in manhattan earlier this year, he swiftly flew back to mar-a-lago, took to a stage, and sm spoke to his crowd of supporters. and his advisers should tell me that we should expect a similar speech tomorrow night, where donald trump will remain defiant. he will deny any wrongdoing as he's been doing for the past

several days now, and he will try to frame these charnges as political persecution. >> as we wait for those remarks, as you say, we know that playbook quite well, there is talk about what's happening behind the scenes. dana bash talking about the concerns she's had both legally and politically. what are you hearing about any efforts ss to temper those rem at all of the former president? >> reporter: right, well, dana's reporting is exactly right. it's what i'm hearing as well. i've been speaking with his advisers and several of his allies over the past several days now, and they've admitted that concern has settled in among many on his team as they worry about what the legal implications of this could be like. but, i do think, even though we're seeing that a little bit behind the scenes, donald trump was still going to remain defiant and, you know, use the bravado that we've seen, even over the weekend, when we were in georgia and north carolina during his campaign stops on saturday, i think we're going to

see that again tomorrow. but i just want to add, given that concern, even donald trump himself has admitted that he does not want to be indicted. he had an interview with politico aboard his plane on saturday where he said, quote, nobody wants to be indicted. i don't care that my poll numbers went up by a lot. i don't want to be indicted. i've never been indicted. i went through my whole life, now i get indicted every two months. it's been political. and that's what donald trump told politico. you can see that even though he's publicly, you know, pushing back against these charges, privately, there is concern and really, he does not want to be indicted here, erica and phil. >> elena and treene, appreciate the reporting. thank you. the 45th president will travel from new jersey to florida in coming hours. cnn's carlos suarez is outside the federal courthouse in miami where trump will appear tomorrow. now, carlos, what security measures have you heard are actually being put in place right now? >> reporter: well, phil, good morning. so the miami police department is expected to detail their safety and security plans ahead

of the former president's appearance in federal court here on tuesday. it is our understanding that the entire miami-dade police department, all of its officers are being told that they are being put on standby, ahead of tuesday, should any protests take place outside of this courthouse. now, law enforcement sources tell cnn that a group of fbi agents have been assigned to a domestic terrorism squad and that they are identifying any possible threats to this building here in downtown miami. we're told that they're also keeping a close eye on the proud boys group, because apparently, there has been some communication between group members about traveling to florida, though it is important to note that we're being told right now that there is no indication of any specific or credible threat. now, law enforcement here in south florida is growing increasingly concerned about some of the political rhetoric that we're seeing surrounding the former president's

indictment. the former republican governor -- candidate for governor, rather, in arizona, kari lake, she is coming under increased criticism for some words that she expressed over the weekend about this indictment. here are some of those comments. >> we're at war, people. if you want to get to president trump, you're going to have to go through me. and you're going to have to go through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you, yep, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. that's not a threat. that's a public service announcement. >> reporter: phil and erica, as you can imagine right now, the overall security posture is what you would expect it to be considering a number of federal buildings here in downtown miami, we're talking about the new federal courthouse behind me, the old one right across the street as well as the u.s. attorney's office. and you've got the federal detention center just next door.

>> carlos suarez for us in miami. thanks so much. there is a lot of discussion this morning about the federal judge assigned to oversee this case. it's a name that is familiar to donald trump. in fact, he appointed her to that role. and it's a name likely familiar to you as well. judge aileen cannon. she oversaw the legal fight following the search of mar-a-lago last summer. elie honig joins us now, also a former u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york and a former federal and new jersey state prosecutor. so we've heard about this judge before, refresh our memories. what more do we know about her? >> anytime the judge gets wheeled out or assigned in a case, that is a moment of great suspense for the parties. you're holding your breath, hoping you get a good judge. i suspect donald trump's team was delighted when they saw judge prosecutors, i suspect prosecutors less so. she's fairly young, she's 42 years old. apparently i'm older than federal judges now.

she then did clerkship for a conservative federal judge and a big firm lawyer in private practice and spent seven years as a federal prosecutor in the southern district of florida. so she understands how criminal trials work. and she was nominated to the federal bench by who? donald trump in 2020. she was confirmed by a 56-21 vote in the senate, including 12 democrats who voted "yes." now, as you said, if people recognize this name, it's because she was involved earlier, after the august search of mar-a-lago. donald trump went to court and asked for a special master to review the documents for privilege or any other issue before they went over to doj. that case went to judge canon. she gave trump the special master, but then doj appealed and the 11th circuit court of appeals rejected, reversed her in pretty staunch terms. the 11th circuit wrote that judge canon had improperly exercised judicial. meaning she went out of her lane. and the 11th circuit court of

appeals wrote, the law is clear, we cannot write a rule that laws any subject of a search warrant to politic government investigations after the execution of the warrant nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do. judge canon does have some history on this case already. >> you can't pick the judge. you get the judge. this likely makes the trump team happy. do you see a scenario at all where doj would say, maybe there's a conflict intof spinte here? >> big question. if anyone is going to make a motion to recuse herself. the judge herself can do that. judges all the time say, i have a conflict of interest, i'm out. or doj can make a motion and say, judge, this is a little awkward, but we think you ought to recuse yourself and here's why. could there be a potential conflict of interest? first, the fact that she was a trump nominee. we've never had this before, because we've never had a president capable of appointing federal judges as a defendant. my suspicion is not going to be enough.

or you have that previous ruling, but usually that's not enough. >> phil? >> back with us now, audi kor niche, sayou were both involvedn an intense conversation, but i'm not going to ask. i want to get to the scale of the operation, given what's coming on the law enforcement side of things. we've seen what's happening publicly. behind the scenes, walk us through the preps both on the state and the federal level? >> so they have a couple of scheduled rallies. one for 10:00 a.m., and one at noon at the courthouse. we're looking at a 3:00 appearance, so that's people gathering fairly early. the flyer for the 12:00 noon rally says peaceful rally. they actually point that out, as if it didn't needed to be. but between miami city -- this is in miami city. not miami beach, that's an 1,100-person police department.

and they still have to patrol the city. that's going to take a lot of resources from them. then you've got the county, which is miami-dade. they can supply extra people. then you've got the u.s. marshals and, you know, the florida state police. all of that coordination is happening today. they've been doing that all weekend. they did the walk-through of the courthouse, with secret service. how do we bring him in? what's the pathway to the courtroom? where is he going to get booked in this building in terms of fingerprinting and pretrial forms and all of that. how are we getting him out? the same way? all of those wheels have been turning to protect former president trump, and then there's the outside piece. there's a lot going into that. what are they saying in the online chats? peaceful rally, that's great. that's the job of the police is to protect people's first amendment right to protest or to support, but when you look in the chat rooms and you see things on tiktok like, we've got

to 1776 these mfs, it's time to start loading magazines, or this is time for civil war, in context, we saw all of that for the new york indictment too, and we saw no violence. some of that is puffery. but they're going to be on edge, because they're watching the traffic. >> sarah, you pointed out earlier, that what we're hearing even from some of those staustaumplg staunchly in donald trump's corner is a little pushback on some of that language and the language like the flyers that they want it pto be peaceful. >> i was listening to an sb interview that roger stone with donald trump yesterday and roger stone was talking about all the people coming to miami to support him and saying, it's going to be peaceful, it's going to be civil, it's going to be legal. he asked donald trump if he wanted to say anything to his supporters and trump was very demure, he gave a ranting answer about upholding the constitution and goes on to say that any protest needs to be peaceful. roger stone is someone that has been indicted before, they've

seen what's happened to a bunch of donald trump's supporters that showed up to the capitol on january 6th that have now faced lengthy prison sentences. so you hope that that's a deterrent. but again, unlike new york, florida's a much trumpier place than new york. so i think it's kind of hard to predict what the turnout will look like. >> let's also remember, these words matter. if you look at the january 6th defendant who is have been prosecuted, dozens of them have said at their sentencing, we believed that -- my client believed he was following the president's wishes. >> and their social media was used against them in their case. >> exactly rice. >> the other thing going on, remember, we're many years after the sort of 2020 black lives matter protest in many cities, and cities do have a better idea about large-scale protests or even a better idea of how to cooperate in preparation for any kind of feared, kind of mass gathering. >> can i ask eliot, i'm going to direct this to you, because you have some expertise on the former attorney general, in a book, i believe, related to the

guy in office. we're talking about the atmospherics and the protests and the politics around thing. on the actual substance itself, this is what former president trump's attorney general, bill barr had to say, listen. >> if even half of it is true, he's toast. it's a very detailed indictment and it's very, very damning. and this idea of presenting trump of is a victim here, the victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous. >> you're going to make me say it on national tv, aren't you? >> kind of. >> i agree with bill barr on this point. i think he's right about this indictment. it is a detailed fact-based, specifically sourced and cited indictment. i've seen a lot of indictments in my career. some indictments are sort of so general, you can't really tell. this one is on point. and i think he's in real trouble. the other thing that i think is, gosh, again that i agree with bill barr, is it's entirely self-inflicted by donald trump.

when you read this narrative, if he had just at any point said, guys, give them the documents back, it would have been over. he didn't actually get charged for any of the documents that were voluntarily turned over to archives. no criminal charges on that. >> another piece of context, though, is that bill barr is a flawed messenger. >> very much. >> he didn't come out and say, actually, i, too, was a person who helped weaponize the justice department. >> thank you, yes. >> he's not saying that, he's just saying, this case is really solid. and i think that affects how he's heard by both die-hard supporters and i don't want to talk about how wide that group is, but also people who were in the "maybe" category. is there a problem here? should we think about a little bit more about how justice is applied. those people will not be calmed by hearing from somebody like bill barr who has a mess history of comments on various investigations on behalf of trump. they're not going to hear him and be like, oh, okay, now i've got some --

>> bill barr said this. >> and a lot of people are in that position, who are coming out now to say one thing or another. they've already spent a lot of time behind donald trump, making the arguments that they are now speaking out against. >> yeah. it's -- there's nothing black and white in this when it comes to the actual supporters. guys, thank you. guarantee you're coming back. do not go anywhere. we won't allow it. also, trump's former national security adviser john bolton will join us live to weigh in on the allegations against his former boss and most importantly the highly sensitive documents that former president trump is accused of keeping at mar-a-lago. plus, a miracle in the amazon. a group of children found alive after more than a month. how officials say they were able to survive in the jungle. ritages ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italaly.

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the shock by the degree of st sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, frankly. so the government's agenda was to get those -- protect those documents and get them out. and i think it was perfectly appropriate to do that. it was the right thing to do. and i think the counts under the espionage act that he willfully retained those documentses are solid counts. >> that, of course, was former attorney general, bill barr, saying he's shocked by how sensitive the documents are at the center of the new indictment against his old boss, his old boss he defended quite often in the past. i want to read a specific paragraph from that indictment that gets at what barr was talking about. in it, he says, quote, the justice department alleges the documents included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the united states and foreign countries,

our nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of the united states and our allies to military attack and plans for possible retaliation in response to foreign attack. it depose on to say that the unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the united states, foreign relations, and the safety of the united states military and human sources. i want to bring in former donald trump's former national security adviser, john bolton, he joins now and served as the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. and ambassador bolton, look, you are neither secretive nor subtle about your desire to see the former president out of the race for president or to be a candidate for president anymore. i don't really want to ask about the politics. i want to ask you about what these documents actually mean. there's a lot of classification markings, a lot of words and descriptions that people might not understand. tell people, from a national security perspective what's in the documents laid out in this indictment? >> well, of course, neither i nor anybody else not involved in

the case knows what's in the documents yet. but i do know what kinds of documents were put in front of the president during my time, i'm sure during the entire four years of his term. and they did go to absolute, the most important secrets that the united states has. directly affected national security, directly affecting the lives and safety of our service members and our civilian population. if he has anything like what the complaint, what the indictment alleges, and of course, the government will have to prove it, then he has committed very serious crimes. this is a devastating indictment. i speak here as an alumnus of the justice department myself. not only is it powerful, it's very narrowly tailored. they didn't throw everything up dp against the wall to see what would stick. this really is a rifle shot. and i think it should be the end of donald trump's political career. >> he's obviously made clear, he doesn't think that's going to be the case. that should be no surprise to

anybody. but i want to ask you, still on the documents, i know you don't know the specific documents themselves. but when you look at the classification levels, can you explain to people how difficult it would be for an average government employees one to have access to them in the first place, and two, to be able to get them out of compartmentalized area where you're supposed to be reading secretive documents? >> well, it will vary depending on the level of the employee and where they are. my old office at the white house, the whole office was a scif, because we just were drowning in classified information. and at least in theory, the oval office ought to be a pretty safe place, too. and it's very important, obviously, to give the president all the information he needs to make a decision. unfortunately, trump didn't pay too much attention to a lot of what he was given. but he paid enough attention to it to have a constant fixation of trying to hold on to documents. a lot of things we got back from him, obviously, a lot of things we didn't. >> i've been interested to see

some of your republican counterparts who maybe aren't as hyperbolic, i guess would be the word, on some things related to the former president saying, look, this isn't great, but a trial or an indictment of a former president and the front-runner in the republican nomination is far worse for the country than what actually happened here. how do you -- what do you make of that? >> well, i don't buy that argument at all. but look, give those who are saying it some credit. assume, for example, for the sake of discussion, that hillary clinton, joe biden, hunter biden, fill in the blank, should be indicted, should be prosecuted, and the failure to do so constitutes a double standard. just assume that for purposes of discussion. now look at this indictment of donald trump. do those people who make that complaint say, therefore, the answer is not to prosecute donald trump? that the response to a double standard is to move to no standard at all? absolutely not. you know, republicans used to

believe that not prosecuting criminals led to more crime. the answer here is take the politics out of the decision and in this case, proceed with the prosecution and do the same for anybody else who does anything even remotely like it. so then why is every other single top republican candidate seemingly critical of the indictment and seemingly afraid to attack him on it? >> i don't know, honestly. you know, we hear a lot these days about public opinion policy taken over the weekend. political leadership doesn't take public opinion polls as blocks of granite. they're interesting pieces of information. political leaders change public opinion. i think it's critical for those who seek to be the republican nominee to tell republican voters the truth about this indictment. i wish the rnc could email a copy of the indictment to every registered republican in the country. and i would simply say, i'm not going to make a lot of arguments with them, just read the

indictment and ask yourself, if the government can prove what they allege here, shouldn't this man go to jail? >> one of the things that i've been trying to get my head around, in terms of the scale of what happened here or what's alleged here is the why. why would the president take these? you know, there's a lot of theories out there as to why he would want these documents. you were with him, you saw him in action at a very close level. why did you think? what was the intent here? >> well, i'm not sure can i give you a good answer, but i would say this. throughout my 17 months there, it's perfectly clear that donald trump addressed almost everything that came before him through the prism of the question, how does this benefit donald trump? and so i think a lot of these documents he may have just thought were cool, a lot of them he thought might be souvenirs. a lot of them he thought might be useful to him later. i can't answer the question until i see the document. >> how so, do you think? >> well, there are a lot of

theories that he could use it as information against his enemies, that he could give it to people in scexchange for favors. we don't know and frankly i don't think speculating about the reasons is all that helpful. the simple fact that he had the documents for any reason or no reason should subject him to prosecution. >> how do you think this ends for the former president? >> well, i think if i were an innocent person, if i were donald trump and i were innocent, i would be saying, i want this insult to my integrity, i use these words loosely, removed as soon as possible. i'm prepared to waive a lot of frivolous procedural motions. i want to go to trial in the next 60 days. i don't want to drag this out. i'm innocent, i can prove it, let's go. does anybody think that donald trump is really going to do that? i hope the justice department really does try for a speedy trial. because frankly the sooner it goes to a jury and we find out their answer, whatever that answer is going to be, the

better for the country. j justice delayed, they say, is justice denied. and the court should not get donald trump get the kind of delay i suspect he wants. >> ambassador john bolton, thanks so much for your time, sir. >> thank you. this just into cnn. jpmorgan chase settling a class action suit from victims of jejep jeffrey epstein. and new polling on how this second indictment is faring for the former president, politically. stay with us.

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old. and this is your miracle of the morning to some degree. colombia is celebrating the rescue of four children missing in the amazon jungle for 40 days. the children are ages 13, 9, 4, and one is an infant. they were lost after their plane crashed, kill their mother and the pilot. officials say they survived by eating six pounds of flour, but eventually ran out of food. their father says they survived because of their upbringing. >> translator: we are indigenous people. i believe in the jungle, which is our mother, and that's why i've always kept the faith and said that both the jungle and nature have never betrayed me. >> now, medical reports say the children are dehydrated and still cannot eat food, but they are well and they are out of danger. >> that it quite a miracle there. just ahead, how the world is reacting this morning to the news of former president donald tr trump's indictment and the fact that some of those classified

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welcome back to cnn this morning. new intelligence shows ukraine lost 16 supplied u.s. armored vehicles in just the last several days. open site website orex has been tracking military losses in ukraine since russia's invasion began. the lost bradly fighting vehicles represent almost 15% of the 109 that washington has given to kyiv. and are among almost 3,600 pieces of military equipment ukraine has lost in the war. still, ukraine is making some progress, declaring it liberated three villages in the donetsk region. well, as donald trump gets ready to appear in court on criminal charges this week, another former world leader is facing questions from police. scottish investigators arrested and released former first minister nicholas sturgeon yesterday. they were questioning her. she maintains that she's done

nothing wrong. in this country, while donald trump is the first former u.s. president to face federal criminal charges, he is certainly not alone on the world stage. he joins the ranks of israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, desilva, and handful of others. for a closer look at the international perspective, we're joined now by cnn chief international anchor, christiane amanpour. when we look at all of this, there's certainly been a reaction here in the united sta states. some of it anticipated, perhaps some of it not based on how detailed this indictment is and includes references to materials that could compromise foreign relations and details some potential vulnerables for allies. >> well, exactly. matters of national security allegations of violating espionage laws, these are all very, very serious. and clearly, that is being reflected in the foreign coverage, all over, certainly

over the uk, france, germany. all the u.s. allies, you can see in the press, this has been a story for the past weekend. as you correctly point out, though, the rest of the world, and i'm talking about democracies now, elected democracies with the rule of law, independent judiciaries, they have held many, many of them, many american allies have held their exleaders, some even current leaders to account when they are regarded as trumpist facing, or whether in terms of financial miss duings, tax fraud, and the like. the prime minister of israel is under criminal investigation right now and there have been previous prime ministers and leaders of israel. the same in france. two former presidents were accused and convicted of crimes relating to economic and financial misdoing. in south korea, in japan, i mean, really, it does go on. and you mentioned nicholas

sturgeon, very famous woman, former head of the national scottish party. she says she has done nothing wrong, she has not been convicted, not just convicted, she hasn't been charged with anything and she's been released. the former british prime minister, boris johnson, he has not been accused of any current crimes, but he is under very, very strong censure by his own party, on the ongoing allegations regarding did he violate covid rules during the pandemic lockdown periods. >> christiane, it's a great point. this isn't something that is only happening here. it's happened throughout the world and in democracies and allies. one of the nato allies is hungary, allies might be a little bit of a strong term at this point. but i was struck by victor orban's response, putting out a tweet saying, your fight is a good fight, real donald trump, never give up. there's a lot going on behind the scenes and a lot of history here. what is your response to that? >> it's really actually very interesting, this. because you have different types of politicians.

so victor orban is a classic pop list, just like boris johnson is, just like donald trump is. and during the trump presidency, the populist did rally around him, including president putin. nationalists, populist, so they have always been, even throughout his presidency, much more sympathetic to him than perhaps other leaders who recoil against these sort of populism, the martyrdom that these people do in vogue, the fact that they say that it's me against the establishment and without me, you're all, you know, going to hell in a hand basket, which is pretty much what they all say, including victor orban, including donald trump, including boris johnson. it's not surprising that that cadre of populist leaders have come out and at least verbally said that kind of thing or at least, you know, on social media. but the vast majority of world leaders realize that these are very serious possibilities that

can happen. whatever they do in office or out of office can come back to haunt them if there are credible charges, done usually by bipartisan investigative committees and in the united states, you have grand juries over here it's somewhat different. but these are credible charges that are put to a so-called jury of the peers to see whether charges can be levelled and whether they can go to trial. and as i say, around the world, this is kind of durger. in the united states, it's true that such federal charges have been leveled. but many say that donald trump had it coming. as you know, this is not the first of the charges leveled against him. the most serious and the 37 charges include really serious charges. but, you know, you've been reporting on all of the other legal woes that he's got himself into. >> how important is this, too, in the grand scheme of how the united states bills itself on the world stage. and i'm talking not only about,

speaking of democracy, but also when it comes to justice and how justice is carried out, and how the rule of law is applied and whether it is applied to everyone equally. >> well, the common sort of clair conn call is that the law applies to everybody, nobody is above law. not even the highest elected leaders. and this is that we're saying play out, whether it's in israel, taiwan, south korea, in france, berlusconi, who's just passed away. he himself was eventually convicted on tax fraud and had to do community service. so these are very, very serious things. and the rest of the world wants to know that the nation that is a super power and that holds itself up as the world's leader in terms of democratic and constitutional, you know, morals and values, also needs to be abiding by it. i think the important thing also is to -- there's a slight difference between trump and the others. even though boris johnson is now

talking about how he's being martyred by a kangaroo court, how he's innocent. he has not managed to get any like-minded or a quorum of like-minded mps or indeed, voters, to come out and support him, you know, to follow his lead. but trump has had this problem. remember back in january 6th, obviously, and people are concerned in the united states and watching very closely from abroad whether he will rally another dangerous group of people who don't care about established institutions and who believe what their leader tells them outside that courthouse in miami. >> we'll be watching for all of that. christiane, always good to have you with us. thank you. well, cnn crews are standing by at the former president's golf club in bedminster, new jersey. again, he's expected to leave that property, make his way down to florida, to the miami courthouse, where we also have our teams ready to go. he is scheduled to make that first court appearance tomorrow.

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it's a lot of fun. audi, the view seems to be we know how this is going to be, this is like every other time, there is a playbook, a core group, he won't lose his 35%. tell me something different that interests me. >> that's your cynical journalist speaking. >> harsh. >> true. that's only the second poll, cbs had another poll that was indicating some shift. i would rather wait to see what it looks like by the end of the week. remember the former president has plenty of time to speak publicly, that is not traditionally like helped him in terms of once it gets into mainstream ears. i think a lot depends on how the next 48 hours play out. how he reacts and his comments. and how the media sort of works with him in a way in that. if you take his whole speech and then he spends half the speech bark trump, that's just free air time campaign speech smuggled in through the trojan horse of your indictment. so i think it will be

interesting to see how he uses the time and then how the rest of the ducks, so to speak, in the party follow. >> in those remarks it will be interesting to listen for how he's using that time and just how far in he's going on going after the justice department, which we heard some of over the weekend. this is not a new narrative for him, railing against the justice department, using all the greatest buzzwords which are available for your mad libs as pointed out by phil mattingly. but seeing how much of that is picked up as well and how that plays into what we hear from others. so i'm thinking specifically of republicans and those we haven't heard from yet. >> yeah, i mean, look, in general it's not a great sign when you already have a predetermined playbook for how you're going to deal with an indictment. this is donald trump's second time around, we know what we're going to see from his speech and we know what we will see the staunch republicans do, call this a political prosecution. i think it is too early to know how voters are going to take this all in and one of the

things that we haven't seen and i don't know if we will see is people really hammering trump on this. i mean, the attack ads really write themselves when you have sound of donald trump as a presidential candidate in 2016 talking about the need to protect classified information and then you have photos of these classified documents all over the floor in mar-a-lago. >> and those moments are in the indictment, too. >> yes, in the indictment. >> included in the indictment. >> yes. so you could just envision someone making that attack ad and hammering voters over the head with it and that does change voter sentiment, but i think the odds that we are actually going to see that in this republican primary are pretty low. >> john, the idea of i feel like to some degree people have gotten numb to assaults on institutions or the former president did things very differently, he did not stick to kind of the way things always were. to some degree that was why he was president of the united states, why he won the election. when you talk to law enforcement officials when he attacks the justice department and fbi as he has for six or seven years what

do they view as the effect long term? >> i mean, if you look at the inventory and it's a short inventory, we are just talking about the things from over the weekend, you've got marjorie taylor greene saying, you know, the biden administration is lying, coming up with fake charges about the document hoax. president trump is the weaponized doj. so that's kind of a part of the drum beat. when you go to kari lake who is saying you will have to go through 75 million of us and we're card carrying members of the nra. then you cut to donald trump who refers to the prosecutor, an independent counsel who was appointed to operate outside the justice department in the name of fairness, as a deranged lunatic. so we're coming outs of the gate with some very high-pitched rhetoric, not a place we haven't been before, we saw the criticism of the judge in the manhattan case and the prosecutor. all of this is in the words

matter department. these are surrogates, but in the chat rooms where you have people talking about violence, talking about guns and those people who may act independently, you have a dual threat here which is one against the courthouse and the process, but the other is just against law enforcement, the fbi, the prosecutors. all of that's being factored into the intel gathering and there is a lot of concern. >> really quickly, what are the people that you're speaking with those law enforcement officials who are in charge of this response and monitoring it, how concerned are they? >> they're very concerned and they're more concerned about the lone wolf than they are about the large group. >> something to watch. sara, john, audi, thank you for hanging out all morning. definitely will make you do this all week. we appreciate it very much. be sure to join anderson cooper tonight for a chris christie town hall, cnn republican town hall, right here 8:00 p.m. eastern. you will see it only on cnn. good to have all of you with us this morning for the kickoff of a very busy week.

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happening now, donald trump's plane on a tarmac in new jersey waiting to take him to florida where dozens of federal charges await him. it's a historic morning with major new developments in this unprecedented case. pressure also building within the republican party. new polling finds the indictment will likely not pose a threat to president trump's 2024 run. what this now means for the future of the gop and how his rivals are responding. and in miami security outside this federal courthouse only getting tighter.