america. >> it's not hyperbole. it's also the start of a very historic period where we go through this process that is going to be divisive, but also based on at least the indictment and what it's alleging seems to have some merit according to the justice department. >> that's exactly right, donald trump just hours away from being arraigned on 37 federal charges. he will be in federal court for his alleged mishandling of classified documents, also obstruction charges. it will mark his second arrest in just a matter of weeks. at 3:00 p.m. eastern time in miami today, trump is set to appear in court. he we expect will enter an initial plea of not guilty. >> the former president and 2024 front runner arrived in miami yesterday. sources tell cnn he spent the day on the hunt for another lawyer to bolster his legal team. >> law enforcement officials say they're ready for whatever happens around this appearance and any subsequent protests. they say they have teamed up with federal partners to ensure the courthouse and the area around it is safe and secure. >> and ahead of the arraignment, trump's 2024 gop opponent chris christie pulled no punches

against his former alley. the ex-new jersey governor labeled trump's actions vanity run amuck. >> congresswoman marjorie taylor greene says she will introduce a measure to defund the special counsel and his investigation. cnn this morning special coverage starts right now. and we are about to witness an unprecedented moment in america. just hours from now, former president trump will turn himself in on federal criminal charges in miami. right now had he's at his resort in doral, florida, that's just miles away from the courthouse where he is expected to surrender this afternoon. take a look at this video of trump at his hotel on the eve of the arraignment. he has called on his supporters to come out today to protest. miami's police chief says the city is prepared for crowds ranging from 5,000 to up to 50,000. the indictment in all of its

detail accuses trump of hoarding classified documents at mar-a-lago, stashing them in places like a bathroom, a shower, and his own private residence. prosecutors say these were some of our nation's most closely guarded secrets including highly sensitive information about america's nuclear program. we have team coverage with our correspondents on the ground and expert analysis. sarah a murray, john avenue liquo john avlon. what are they doing and what are they saying about what they're prepared for? >> reporter: well, poppy, good morning. it is safe to say that there are more members of the media outside of this federal courthouse right now than there are members of law enforcement. we're about eight hours away from the former president making his way here. the overall security posture

really has not changed. there have been some thinking perhaps overnight we would see more metal barriers brought out, a lot more officers patrolling the building out here. that is not the case. the chief of police for the miami police department says, look, we have enough resources to keep everyone safe. in just hours former president donald trump will surrender at a federal courthouse in miami. >> make no mistake about it, we're taking this event extremely serious. tw we know that there's a potential of things taking a turn for the worse, but that's not the miami way. >> federal and local law enforcement officials are ramping up security around the courthouse expressing mounting concerns over potentially large crowds of trump's supporters gathering outside. >> we have unwavered support for donald trump. we don't care if he's going to be in jail, and we have to write him in. to a lot of us it's trump or nothing. >> federal law enforcement is

only tasked with securing the actual courthouse. they erected yellow barricades. will that change? because there is a lot of concern people may trayy to sto the building or enter some of that area. >> what i can tell you is tell them there's no reason to fear. >> reporter: former miami police chief george colina told cnn that the choice not to establish barriers around the courthouse could be intentional by miami police in order to avoid attracting crowds. trump is expected to be driven by secret service to an underground garage at the courthouse. he will not be seen by the public. once he arrives, he will be placed under arrest, read his rights and fingerprinted. he will likely not have a mug shot taken. trump will then be taken to a courtroom on one of the top floors of the courthouse where he will hear the charges and enter his initial plea of not guilty. judge jonathan goodman, who is presiding over the arraignment

rejected a request from a large group of national media outlets to take photographs inside the courthouse before the proceedings. in a written order, he said while the proceeding is, quote, genuinely historic and of huge importance, allowing photographs would undermine the massive security arrangements put in place. trump's supporters gathered at trump's doral club greeting him as he pulled up in his motorcade giving the crowds a thumbs up. >> we'll follow him anywhere. >> and we'll do anything legally to stop this. >> reporter: police had to interview after trump demonstrators clashed with supporters. one protester wearing a striped prison jumpsuit said this. >> i grew up in new york city. i know what a con artist he is. >> reporter: and streets around the federal courthouse are at this hour still open. miami police said a decision on that really is going to depend on the number of folks that show up out here.

it is still unclear, poppy, whether supporters and protesters of the former president are going to be allowed essentially to be near each other if not right up against each other outside of this federal courthouse. poppy. >> trump's legal team has been scrambling to find lawyers in florida to represent him. meanwhile, special counsel jack smith also beefing up his legal team with prosecutors from the u.s. attorney's office in miami. cnn's senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz is outside the courthouse. what are you learning about the legal machinations here? >> reporter: donald trump has always for the past several years had some difficulty in finding and keeping lawyers, and here we are, him facing the very first federal indictment of a former president of the united states, and yet again, he's switching up his legal team. that's because several of his lawyers who had shepherded this case through the grand jury process as he was under investigation, they have left in recent weeks. one of those key lawyers who had

been the point person for donald trump on documents he had taken from the white house, that person, evan corcoran has become a major witness in this case, clearly his part of the obstruction of justice part of this set of charges. so now we are aware that donald trump and his legal team, they're scrambling to try and find people. they're talking out, they're reaching out to lawyers in florida. i've heard a couple of different names. it's still not totally clear who all is going to show up in court today to represent the former president. one of those people is a man named todd blanch. he was very successful representing paul manafort in 2016 in a case in new york state. blanch has sort of taken on much of the responsibility on this legal team recently, but all of this switchover of lawyers, it doesn't usually happen at this moment in this way. and it really is something that could slow down the case going forward. >> yeah, it's interesting. we'll have to watch how this

plays out. i do have one question, though, we were all stunned it seems like last week, could be a month ago at this point, the florida venue, the grand jury that was in florida, but we've been reporting that the venue for the indictment being in florida was something that was actually determined months ago. what kind of issues might that present for the prosecution? >> reporter: right, well, having a florida jury is a lot different than having a jury in washington, d.c.. every court's juries are different because you're pulling from the people who are in that jurisdiction. that's something that the justice department is going to be looking at. i've been speaking to former prosecutors, people around the justice department, and it's quite clear that many people believed that this case really did belong here based out of west palm beach, based out of the southern district of florida because the actions that are charged in this case are so many things that took place right around here, and so in recent

months there had been discussions among the justice department to move this case to florida to not have it in a grand jury in d.c. returning that indictment and having it going to trial there. so it will progress here, and we also know that the special counsel's office is staffing up on its own side bringing in at least two people to help with the case in this jurisdiction, including a woman who was part of the prosecution team of a chinese national that trespassed at mar-a-lago. >> i remember that. thank you very much for that katelyn. what happens when trump arrives at court this afternoon? our senior legal analyst laura coates here with how this all works. you know this better than anyone because you were a federal prosecutor. walk us through this. >> this is such a day. i want everyone to understand the gravity of what we're talking about. first of all, they're getting ready to arrive at the courthouse, and when he does, you're talking about we're not going to see a whole lot of images here. the reason of course is because you can't have cameras in there, you can't have your cell phones in there. you're not able to have anything

besides the transcriptioner and the people doing the sketches, et cetera. we're going to be right here at the federal courthouse right in miami, everyone. what's going to happen next, you're going to be processed, they're going to be placed under arrest. don't picture a perp walk or anything like that. that's not going to happen here. he's a former president of the united states. they do want to give some level of respect, but also he's just like everyone else now who goes into a federal courtroom with actual federal charges along with his co-defendant. they'll be fingerprinted, of course that's part of it as well. as for handcuffs, not going to happen. mug shot, listen, he is recognizable, you know who he is. they likely will not give one because it could be leaked. that might be different than any other defendant because normally you have it to be sure you've got a record of the person having been charged and arraigned. >> laura, i want to talk about inside the courtroom since i'm a person who talks about things, you're the one with the storied

career of actually doing the things. there's no cameras in here. can you tell us what we're looking at? where are these people going to be? where is the former president going to be? how does this set up in this moment? >> i'm going to paint the picture for you, phil mattingly. here we go. this is my own personal drawing. this is a different hidden talent, everyone. courtroom 133, even. the judge is going to be here, you're going to have different court reporters here. the jury box in this area over here, that's not going to be filled. that's going to be around the time you're talking about trial or the voir dire process. we're a long way from that. we're going to have here the different counsel and defense table. they're going to actually be able to stand here. normally it's the defense that's going to go closer at this area towards the jury box. it makes sense. we were talking about the idea of actual trial. you want to be able to have the perception immediately available to be able to see the person charged, et cetera. you'll have the other side the prosecution who will be in the courtroom as well.

the big question, though, phil and poppy is who is actually going to be at these different tables. we were talking about who the players are in this instance. you know, we know jack smith, of course, special counsel, whether he will make the personal appearance or not will be decided later. karen gilbert likely to be there, but the defense legal team as you already heard, kyou know at least one person. they've got to have somebody in florida who's going to be local to know the local rules. katelyn was right. you have to have somebody who knows the rules of jury selection, what are the nuances of this particular judge, this courthouse, this jurisdiction, who that will ultimately end up being will be a very interesting case. >> walt nauta, look, i understand the focus has been on the former president because there's no precedent for this, and he's also the leading republican candidate. walt nauta was also indicted. what do we know about his defense strategy, whether or not this will be separate trials, joint trials? >> we cannot underscore the importance of this being an

actual joint trial. right now it's a joint trial, though. right now they are co-defendants. they have been charged with conspiracy, which means they have a meeting of the minds they're alleging, and in that they have made some overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. there's also obstruction, of course, and other issues related to the indictment. whether they will remain a joint trial is really up to their counsel. right now they have the same counsel. why would you have the same counsel. normally if your interests are so closely aligned that it would be problematic for the court efficiency to separate them. are we going to have two trials with the same witnesses, the same evidence, everything, no. we're going to look to see there's a separate trial eventually. he'll have his own defense team and separate trials, but right now it's joint. >> you're not allowed to leave because i'm going to need to ask you lots of questions over the course -- i do want to bring in josh campbell, sara murray as

well, john avlon is still with us. josh, i want to start with you. you hear the prosecutor view, how things are going to be working inside the courtroom. outside the courtroom, law enforcement doing a ton of reporting into the lead up to this. >> you're going to have this massive crowd that could be up to 50,000 people. we don't know exactly what that's going to look like. we do understand there may be people coming via bus to show their support for the former president. as in my type of rally or protest, you're going to have a law enforcement presence there. this obviously is happening in the wake of january 6th, and no one can forget that, what started out as a rally, a protest obviously became very violent. that's what authorities are concerned about. i've been talking to sources who say fbi special agents across the country have been working their sources trying to determine are there any extremist groups out there who might be plotting, planning. that is certainly a concern for the law enforcement. the unknown, a lot of these groups, prior to january 6th they were online posting publicly about their vitriol.

the last thing that concerns me about what we could see, they have the comingling of pro-trump and anti-trump protesters. it takes one or two rabble-rousers for things to set off. >> i would just say that new york -- this could be different than when alvin bragg brought the charges, there were not any major disruptions around that. sara, what are you looking at today? >> we have heard from the same rabble-rousers, mike lindell is out there talking about what trump is going to do. steve bannon. >> these are literally all people you still talking to on the phone in your reporting. you should note that. >> they keep reappearing over and over again. i do think there are more worries after having seen what happened in the wake of january 6th after seeing some of these lengthy prison sentences. we've heard a couple of these folks mention that you need to be protesting. you need to show up and support donald trump, but you need to do it peacefully. again, i think the x factor here is, you know, florida is a much

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snchts : the judge is going to ask you tomorrow how are you going to plead? are you going to say anything beyond not guilty? are you going to make a statement in court tomorrow? >> no, i doubt it. i just say not guilty. i didn't do anything wrong. >> that is the plea donald trump says he will enter today at his arraignment, adding that he will not make a statement during this initial court appearance. he does face 37 counts related to the alleged mishandling of national defense documents and an alleged scheme to conceal them from investigators. joining us now is attorney david schoen. he was one of trump's attorneys representing him during his second impeachment trial. he also represented ex-trump adviser steve bannon in 2022 after bannon was indicted for contempt of congress. it's really good to have you, good morning. >> thank you very much, good morning. >> would you agree that one of the biggest legal issues for

both teams in this case as it proceeds is whether or not one of trump's attorneys evan corcoran's notes and audio recordings are allowed in as evidence. you know evan corcoran really well. d.c. courts allowed that crime fraud exception to be pierced, but florida could be a different story, right? >> i think you're 100% right. i think it's a big issue in the case because it relates both to the return of the grand jury indictment and potentially to the trial. there's actually relatively recent case, 2021 case from the 11th circuit, which is the court of appeals that sits over this court in the southern district of florida, and that case had to sort of try to flesh out the -- it's called the grand jury subpoena, they had to try to flesh out the crime fraud exception because remember, one of the most sacrosanct privileges we have in the law is the attorney/client privilege. however, the law recognizes this crime fraud exception. there's two prongs to it.

one is that the court has to be convinced there was a conversation related to the furtherance of a crime or possible crime. that's a very low hurdle, but then the second prong is was the conversation at issue related to the furtherance of the crime. the 11th circuit sort of punted in that case saying they didn't really have to decide how strict those parameters are regulated, but that traditionally the courts have been relatively less restrictive in showing that the conversation was directly related to the crime. the issue here will be judge howell apparently had corcoran's notes, his private notes to himself, notes regarding his interactions with president trump turned over in wholesale fashion to the government. there's a question there with any privilege that's pierced, the law is you only pierce it to the extent it's reasonably necessary. if the turnover was far too broad or was too broad, it could have tainted the grand jury process. if the grand jury was exposed to attorney/client privilege notes

that really weren't -- shouldn't have been turned over based on crime fraud exception, then the issue can come up again at trial. assuming the judge doesn't dismiss the indictment based on this taint or alleged taint, then it would come up at trial again whether they're admissible. and if they are admissible, the flip side of that is it opens the door for evan corcoran to testify. i think his testimony, quite frankly, would be favorable to president trump in explaining his notes as damning as they might seem now on the face of them, i think his testimony would be favorable to president trump. >> can i ask, you know, i've been listening to your response to this indictment and some of your interviews over the course of the last several days. i want to play some sound from the former president's former attorney general bill barr and get your reaction to it. take a listen. >> if even half of it is true, then he's toast. i mean, it's a pretty -- it's a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning. and this idea of presenting trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous.

>> david, you haven't presented him as a victim of a witch hunt, but you have said you believe there are significant holes in an indictment that the former attorney general seems to believe is pretty rock solid. what are they? >> well, first of all, my issue with former attorney general barr is i think that every lawyer has an obligation to point out the presumption of innocence, to the extent he says, well, if this thing is true or even halfway true is very damning. it's a serious indictment, and every federal case or other case has to be taken seriously, but there are defenses to the case, and i don't think it's fair to judge any case based on the indictment. it would be like watching the prosecution put on their case without any cross examination and saying, well, he must be guilty. so the allegations are serious, but they're just allegations at this point. listen, i think there are plenty of defenses including it's a very interesting choice to choose the statute of the 31

counts, 18 usc 793 e. i think they did that in order to get around the idea of whether the documents are classified or declassified because they don't have to be classified for one to be guilty under that statute. how far, there are several prongs, elements to the statute including whether the person was authorized to have the documents, and this is where their defense of presidential records act is going to play into it and so on. there are a lot of legal issues to be fleshed out -- >> can you just say, i'm very curious, it's not cited in the indictment, the presidential records act has nothing to do with agency documents taken by the president. he has no records of saying these agency documents are my personal records, even if he did try and do that. where does the pra come in here as a defense? >> right, i actually have not emphasized this point. i've heard many other people emphasize it. i think the reason it gets less emphasis, people were guessing before the indictment came out is, again, because this classified element isn't a part

of it. people generally were talking about that before because of the president's unilateral right to declassify documents when he's in office. however, i think it's relevant here based on the willfulness prong, that is did he know, should he have known something he was prohibited by the law, given the reading of the records act that his advisers have given him. it goes to the first prong whether he was authorized to have documents in the first place. one thing that's never really pointed out these days is traditional tli -- and you may say it's not directly relevant, but it's somewhat relevant, the tradition has been former presidents get regular intelligence briefings even well after they're out of office and all that. one thing we have to remember is there is something special and unique about the position of the presidency, whether it's a complete defense or not is a different question. there's something to remember about that. >> that's true, but they certainly have no right to show or talk about those national top secrets in front of people who have no classification, which is what's alleged here in terms of the audio of that meeting with the authors writing on meadows.

let me ask you another defense made by the president's allies. jim jordan made this repeatedly on sunday morning, citing a 1988 supreme court decision which says the president has the authority to classify and control access, the constitution gives him that power. but that's while they're president, not after, correct? >> that's correct. you know, that's the classic case that everybody talks about in this realm, but i'll tell you this -- >> i just want to stick on this case because it is what the president's allies are using so much. to argue it in the way that his allies have been arguing it that it gives him this right post-presidency is an inaccurate reading of that majority opinion from the supreme court, right? >> i think that's right, that it gives -- eagen talks about when a person is president. however, i do want to stress there is a case from amy berman jackson, you may also have had

someone talk about on your show, judicial watch case from 2012 that has a lot of language that talks act the unique power of bill clinton at that time when he's president and after he's president with respect to not just personal records but presidential records. there are very interesting issues that really have not been fleshed out here. i think we have to give them a chance to play out. we haven't seen this kind of situation before. >> can you just very quickly relate it to the judicial watch case in the bill clinton case, specifically those were about recordings that he did in what he said was a personal capacity while he was president, which i think would fall under the definition of the presidential records act of personal records. how do you feel like that bleeds into this specific case where, again, you made clear you haven't been citing the presidential records act. that's about personal records. these are about agency documents the president took with him. what's the language in there you think that applies here? >> well, i mean, i have the page marked with the language

specifically when judge jackson talks about, first of all, the lack of judicial review generally for issues that come up under the pra when nara makes their claims and all that. here's where i think it's relevant, whether it directly applies or not, i think it's relevant to the willful prong. the question here under 793 e, one of the questions is a third prong, whether the person being charged willfully did it. that means did something he knew was prohibited by the law. you're going to say to me, you can hear from the tape it seems that he knew, you know, what he was doing he wasn't allowed to do it and so on. tapes can be cross examined. what were the circumstances, you know, exactly what was the rest of the conversation, and so on. again, we have to hear from the defense about all of these things. but i think it plays into what was in his mind, what he understood from his advisers, right or wrong, about what he had the authority to do with documents. >> david schoen, and you make a

good point, innocent until proven guilty. we've not seen or heard the full fleshed out defense of the former president at this point in time. appreciate your time, sir, as always. let's bring in former federal prosecutor laura coates here with us. what did you make of that? what stood out to you? >> let me speak very plainly here, when you left the presidency, you don't get to have all the same things you had when you were there. if i move out of my house,ky not have the key still and go back anytime i feel like it and say i used to live here. i liked the bed can i stay a little bit. the same thing is true when you're talking about classified documents. you do not have the authority, he's absolutely right about the word authorization. that's going to be the key to all of this. did you have the authorization? did you know you no longer had the authorization to have the documents. he did not have any longer. one other point, evan corcoran, that is going to be extraordinarily important testimony, and he is absolutely right that they're going to have to probably relitigate what is going to be admissible in an actual court of law in front of

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new this morning, at least nine people have been injured in a mass shooting in denver, colorado. right now, three are in critical condition, the others are said to have nonlife-threatening injuries. this shooting happened just hours after the nuggets won their first nba championship on monday night in denver. it's just not clear if the shootings were all connected to the celebrations in that city. we want to turn now to philadelphia where crews have recovered a body from the wreckage of sunday's fiery highway collapse. pennsylvania state police say

they have not identified the body yet. according to state officials, the bodies was discovered in a tanker that had been driven into a wall crashes on sunday morning, it burst into flames before a stretch of i-95 collapsed. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is set to visit the site today. i want to bring in cnn's danny freeman who is live near the scene. danny, right now i think the big question for a lot of people is how long is this going to take in terms of fixing this? what's your sense of things? >> reporter: well, phil, there's no easy answer but the estimate that we have right now is easily months, but i'll get to that time line in a moment. i want to update you on some of the new information we learned yesterday afternoon about exactly what happened that led to the i-95 collapse behind me rather over this shoulder. state officials told us in a news conference that basically almost 48 hours ago to this moment on sunday morning a tanker truck carrying 8,500 gallons of gasoline was traveling northbound on i-95, tried to get off the exit ramp, took the curve hard, though,

lost control, crashed, landed on its side, and eventually ruptured, and that ignited a fire that caused i-95 to ultimately collapse on the northbound lanes. yesterday we learned that the southbound lanes, they are not structurally safe, so they will have to come down as well. we've been seeing actually demolition begin in the southbound lanes last night and into this morning. as you said, initially there were no reported injuries, but then late yesterday afternoon pennsylvania state police did confirm one body was pulled from the wreckage, but the philadelphia medical examiner's office still has not yet officially identified that person. phil, you've been asking, everyone's been asking that big question when will things get up and running right here. the best estimate that we have was from pennsylvania governor josh sha ppiroshapiro he said sr of months. secretary buttigieg we'll ask him that same question. traffic still a nightmare. government officials hoping folks take public transit if they can. phil. >> danny freeman, great reporting as always, thanks so

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. we want to have equal justice. when you sit and look and have a sitting president in president joe biden that has a number of classified documents sitting in a garage. >> so is that a good look for the former president to have boxes in a bathroom? >> i don't know. is it a good picture to have boxes in a garage that opens up all the time? a bathroom door locks. >> that was house speaker kevin mccarthy arguing that if donald trump is in trouble for withholding national defense documents, well, president biden should be too. but the biden case is still under investigation, by the way, by another special counsel. let's bring back our experts.

john avlon, sara murray, josh campbell, and laura coates. there are a lot of differences here. we don't know what robert hur is going to find. but there are so many differences, namely obstruction. >> that's the essence of this indictment. it's willful retention, right? the government said, hey, you've got these documents and then they seem to have kept been moving around willfully in a private club, notwithstanding speaker mccarthy's argument that bathroom doors lock. look, that's the fundamental difference. that's why pence who had documents, there's no charging involved. the biden case is still ongoing, but the attempt to draw parallels to say there's unequal judgment doesn't fit the facts o'thi of this case. >> i'm not going to make a judgment on whether speaker mccarthy's defense was well thought out or applicable in court, but i do want to play some sound from another trump ally that our good colleague,

great colleague, manu raju got and get your response to it. listen. >> i wouldn't -- i wouldn't be pulling out the drapes and the curtains for a new fbi building right now. >> it's this weird dynamic of like the law enforcement, back the blue party saying the justice department needs to go, the fbi needs to be defunded or they're not going to get their new building. it's, again, this isn't monolithic across the party. there's different factions here. how much of this is actually tangible? like what actually happens with these lawmakers? they do control the house. >> yeah, look, it's not a surprise to you that lawmakers will sometimes use the appropriations process to get things they want. i'm not telling you anything you don't already know. i do think when you hear someone like marjorie taylor greene say we're going to defund jack smith and his investigation, that's not going to happen. are there legitimate concerns about a new fbi building so if you wanted to use this as a cu cudgel, you could say we have

legitimate concerns and we don't trust the fbi in this case. sure, you could try to make that kind of an argument. again, though, i think the broader picture here is what we're seeing on capitol hill are all these republican congressmen, all of these trump allies trying to come up with ways to give donald trump air cover in what is a very bad week for him. >> last night in our town hall with governor chris christie, he spoke about the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time, not his particular words but the idea that you could legitimately talk about and question whether or not you believe hillary clinton should have been prosecuted. you could talk about james comey usurping the role of the attorney general when he had that press conference prior to the election. you can talk about funding. you can also address the legitimacy and of a very serious allegation contained in this indictment. this is allegations, again, presumption of innocence certainly, but you can actually articulate that this is something worthwhile without undermining the entire institution. i just offer, a quick civics

lesson. you want to be the head of the executive branch of government. their job is to enforce the laws. under their org chart, the fbi and everything else. either you are pro the fbi or not. >> let me double down on the political problem republicans find themselves in regarding the threats of violence that trump and some of his surrogates are putting forward. there's nothing less conservative than the threat of mob violence. if a party is defined itself historically, national security, law and order, following donald trump down this path is the worst thing you can possibly do for your brand on those core principles. and that's where the republicans are going to find themselves unless they start standing up like christie has and asa hutchinson. >> i talk to law enforcement forces all the time, i talk to people inside the fbi almost every single day.

they are perplexed by this constant stream of accusations that this is some deep state den of liberals who are out to get republicans. >> that is the thing, the den of liberals. >> i could tell you there's a saying that you check your politics at the door. that's kind of true. i mean, it doesn't interfere with your work, but you know the political leanings of your colleagues in law enforcement. you're torgether for hours on end. you're talking about news of the day. to look at the fbi, which is a quasi paramilitary type organization as most law enforcement agencies, it leans to the right, and so again, i talk to people all the time that ask what is happening here. of course they're not allowed to go out on television and say, by the way, these are lies. what are you people thinking about, so people can score political points off of them. >> that's a great point. can i ask you one question about another republican defense, this was one used by jim jordan in that interview but elsewhere. i keep hearing some of them say you can't have obstruction without an underlying crime. that's just -- that's not true. that's not true. obstruction often doesn't get

charged by itself. but you can absolutely have -- the obstruction is the alleged crime. >> and they articulate that in the indictment to suggest what was he trying to avoid. we talk about what the motive is, to avoid a federal grand jury. that's part of an investigative arm of the government. that's part of the pursuit of justice. you can obstruct even if you do not have the underlying crime because that of course is a set alone case. but it's all part of i think a conflation of something. they're very well aware that you've got to have something pretty sexy for a jury when you're talking about the court of public opinion, whether you like that or not, we live in a kind of law and order world, we think that the crime is committed, you're apprehended, you've got a jury trial, and you've got the walk down the courthouse steps in the front at the end of 48 minutes. that's not how it really works, it's 49 minutes. exactly. and snacks as well. the whole point is that people believe that's how everything works, it's just not and jim jordan knows that.

>> thank you all. >> it's 6:44 a.m., june 13th. sara murray discusses appropriations process on live tv, this is history to me. >> you're a fellow nerd. >> this is years of effort to bring murray into the fold. >> garage doors have locks. >> is that where we are in this argument? >> but bathrooms don't. >> whatever. >> depends on the bathroom. >> who knows. thank you, guys, very much. republican presidential candidate chris christie was on the cnn town hall last night with anderson cooper calling former president trump angry and vengeful. why he believes the evidence in trump's federal indictment is really only just the beginning. >> this is vanity run amuck, anderson. run amuck. ego run amuck, and he is now going to put this country through this when we didn't have to go through it.

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called his alleged mishandling of national defense documents unexcusable. cnn's omar jimenez is here. it was the political angle, the blaming of the losses that i thought was really interesting in terms of how he was framing things. what was your takeaway? >> that's right. he talked about policy. he talked about the future of america, more of what you would expect to hear in a town hall, but part of chris christie's strategy is to confront donald trump directly, and so that's why when he talked about the house being lost from republicans, the senate, and the white house under trump, he didn't just say trump hasn't won anything since 2016. he made a point to say trump is a three-time loser, and that's not all he said. >> i've known him for 22 years. the only thing he understands is force. the only thing he understands is coming right at them and making your case. >> reporter: chris christie didn't disappoint on his vow to take on republican front runner donald trump.

in a 90-minute cnn town hall, christie took aim at the former president for his alleged mishandling of classified documents. >> it is a very tight, very detailed evidence-laden indictment, and the conduct in there is awful. whether you like donald trump or you don't like donald trump, this conduct is inexcusable in my opinion for somebody who wants to be president of the united states. >> reporter: christie not pulling any punches. >> did someone remind him he's not the president anymore? you don't need these things anymore. this is vanity run amuck, anderson. run amuck. ego run amuck, and he is now going to put this country through this when we didn't have to go through it. >> reporter: the former new jersey governor slamming many of his other gop rivals for not criticizing trump. >> they're playing political games with you because they think if you kind of like trump a little bit and i don't see anything bad about trump and then trump kind of implodes and goes away, you're more likely to

vote for me. >> reporter: christie urging republicans to think twice about the country. christie issued this warning to voters. >> i am convinced that if he goes back to the white house that the next four years will all be about him just settling scores, and he has shown himself and most particularly in his post-presidency to be completely self-centered, completely self-consumed, and doesn't give a damn about the american people in my view. >> reporter: on policy christie took on the question over access to abortion. >> leave it to the states. if a consensus emerges, we'll know it, if the federal government needs to step in then, i'd certainly consider that. >> reporter: he also leveled plenty of criticism against president biden. >> the reason we're struggling to make ends meet is because government spending under joe biden has gone completely out of control. >> reporter: and then took a dig at both biden and trump for their age. >> if those two people are the nominees, they're going to be a combined 160 years old on election day. i'm sorry, guys, nobody beats

father time. nobody does. >> look, up to this point, chris christie hasn't been at the top of gop polls. the question here is while his message might appeal to some republicans and independents, will it be appealing enough to gop primary voters. we will see, but after the town hall, christie's folks told me that the christie you saw last night is the christie you can expect to see as his campaign moves forward. >> it's going to be a fascinating one to cover for you that's for sure. >> i hope so. >> we're glad to have you on the trail with him. >> of course. our coverage of trump's indictment continues. what we're learning about security measures around the courthouse and trump's search for a lawyer to defend him, all coming up next. all with an n incredible new iphone. act now and get iphone 14 pro on us when youou switch. it's your verizon. from prom dresses to workouts

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just hours away from a historic moment in america. >> pleading not guilty for the second time in just a matter of months. >> if this indictment is true, president trump was incredibly reckless with our national security. >> this case is a serious case with serious allegations, but in america, you're still innocent until proven guilty. >> i just say not guilty, i didn't do anything wrong. >> there's no allegation of harm against the country. >> we want a commander in chief that does not have a high regard for our classified secrets. >> presidential records act, not even a criminal event. >> did someone remind him he's not the president anymore? you don't need these things anymore. >> he has been searching to add a florida-based attorney to his team. it's been difficult for trump to find attorneys in the past