in terms of being able to create the magic or the feel of what it's like to be the president -- the spectacle, the majesty, whatever you want to call it, that's what he's good at. >> all right, well, thank you all very much. very much appreciate your time as we've been covering this. our special coverage in anticipating what is happening here as it continues. our special coverage continues right now with "ac 360." good evening from new york. at the end of yet another day like none this country has ever seen before. >> good evening from washington, anderson. and yes, today was yet another first courtesy of the first president ever to be impeached twice, the first ever to be found liable after leaving office for sexual abuse, and the first president ever to state felony charges.

today donald trump also -- those are three. i have a new one. donald trump also became the first ever to be arrested and arraigned in federal court also on felony charges. >> 37 in all, and i want to put them on the screen. they include 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information, three of withholding or concealing documents in a federal investigation, plus false statements and conspiracy to obstruct justice. we're showing them because for all the spectacle this is what the day will be remembered for years from now. donald trump made the short trip today by motorcade from his miami golf resort to the federal courthouse downtown where small but vocal crowd greeted him. >> inside after being booked and electronically fingerprinted, president trump was arraigned asked his attorney pleaded him not guilty to all 37 charges. his codefendant, body man walt nauta, entered no plea.

the former president then left the courthouse in a slow speed progression, not unlike what we saw in the o.j. case, slow speed. he was ordered not to speak to nauta about the case, not to speak to potential witnesses to be named later by prosecutors. >> nauta, however, was by the former president's side during a stop on the way to the airport at a restaurant in little havana where a group of clergy gathered around the former president and prayed for him. a source telling cnn the location was chosen because the cuban community knows, quote, all too well about political persecution. the former president clearly trying to link himself to people who have actually been persecuted in cuba. a short time ago he landed at newark airport heading for his new jersey golf club where he's expected to make his first formal remark sometime within the hour. we are not going to take his speech live, but we will, of course, monitor them as they come in and bring you anything that is actually news worthy. in the meantime as we wait

for the next development in the story we're going to talk about what just happened, the historical moment and all that we're expecting to come next. cnn's kaitlan collins will start o us off outside the courthouse. what sticks out to you? >> reporter: jake, i think one thing reflecting on this is just the split screen of what actually happened in the courtroom according to what we know and what trump looked like after when he was at that restaurant here in miami. because as evan and others who were actually in the room today told us they said he came in, his shoulders were kind of slumped, he had his arms crossed during those proceedings as was his judge -- his attorney, excuse me, tom blanch who was the one that pleaded not guilty on his behalf. he did not say much, of course, as he was in that room for under an hour. the first time that he came face-to-face with the special counsel jack smith as he's facing what even those closest

to him will admit is potentially the most perilous legal trouble he's ever been in. but then to compare that with the bravado he showed when he was inside that restaurant a short time later with his codefendant walt nauta by his side. nauta i should note as i've been talking to trump allies in the hours trump left this, were saying they were even shocked trump went in there with walt nauta who was the person who moved the boxes on his behalf that contained classified information but yet did not have a florida based attorney to represent him today, which means he's going to have to come back to plead not guilty. that split screen of what was going on inside the courtroom to what he was projecting when he was no longer in the courtroom. >> and evan, you were in the overflow room today. what more can you tell us about donald trump's demeanor, which you got to see from the overflow room. >> yeah, that's right, jake. look, the former president as you know does have a lot of

bravado. he's a perform. he plays to the crowd, and that room was not his crowd, right? you have a very -- obviously a very serious occasion with the former president being arraigned on these charges, these federal charges. and, you know, it's -- i think even for him it's a meaningful thing. and one of the things i noticed as he sat there waiting for the judge for about 20 minutes or so before the judge made his way into the room, the former president sort of glumly, he had his arms folded for a period twiddling his thumbs at other parts. when some of the members of the prosecution, jay bratt in particular were sitting there, he would once in a while glance over at them. but by and large he just looked forward, and because this was an arraignment normally defendants get to stand up, acknowledge the

judge. they get told what the charges are, if they understand the charges -- in this case they often waive the reading of the charges. donald trump didn't have to do any of that. he sat there, and then tom blanch was the one who said we certainly plead not guilty, your honor. and so that was sort of like -- again, as kaitlan points out a plit screen moment because he's the former president, so there was a different treatment between the two men. >> it's a sad day to have the former president of the united states arrested and arraigned. kaitlan, the judge told prosecutors to make a list of possible witnesses to whom donald trump cannot speak about the case unless the conversation goes through a lawyer. did that surprise you? >> i don't think it's surprising, but this was borne about because initially the judge had suggested this idea of trump not being able to speak to any of the witnesses here, which

as you know, jake, and evan, would be very difficult given just about everyone around him is technically a witness in this case. they've all been called before the grand jury to talk about this. the people who are maintenance workers at mar-a-lago, his own secret service protection, basically everyone around him has gone in and spoken about this, and so obviously his attorney said they don't believe that's workable given the fact some secret service members went, obviously people who worked for trump and rely on him for their livelihoods. so what they worked out is this idea of prosecutors, the government submitting a list of witnesses that he can -- they don't want him to be able to speak to except through attorneys. obviously walt nauta, he's also not supposed to discuss with either except through attorneys. of course i think a lot of people are questioning whether or not that is going to be something he follows through on. >> anderson? >> van jones, ashley allison,

alyssa farah griffin, david urban, and laura coates, and john miller, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst. laura, today's arraignment, did it go as you expected? and i'm wondering what you made of the judge's decision to try to limit the president's communications with certain witnesses. >> it did go as expected in terms of the brevity of it and not having any evidentiary motions resolved obviously, motions to sever to not have a joint trial, that never was going to happen today. what was surprising, though, was the fact that the codefendant who we've known about since at least last week from the indictment did not have local counsel present. actually, how is it possible? well, there's two explanations, one, lack of planning or preparation, and two, lack of inventory of willing attorneys to do so. as a prosecutor certainly i support the department of justice, but you also have to ecen s

ecr ec reconcile every defendant needs to have counselch. >> and they're paying for counsel for mr. nauta. >> they are paying for counsel, but you have to have someone local and able to be in that courtroom in particular in florida more broadly. and there's a reason for that. you want to have the nuance of jury selection. the rules likely to be unique to that florida court and that judge in particular, you want that. you want that robust counsel. it is no small thing to have your name on the other side of the united states versus. also this notion of not communicating with one another about the nature of the case, that can be advised. one of the reason tuesday do so is you do not exploit a power dynamic of one person over the other. another reason is you do not want to be maybe conspiring to do something that might further obstruct or add to charges, but it's unlikely they're going to be able to outside the joint defense, which is essentially what you say to acknowledge, look, we have a shared interest here. what i'm looking for to is figure out in the future whether

nauta, the codefendant, remains a codefendant tried jointly with the former president of the united states. the power here is really leveraged in favor of trump. >> you know the former president well. do you think he learned a lesson from michael cohen, and that lesson being keep people who could testify against you incredibly close? >> believe it or not, i believe the president actually likes walt nauta. walt's an affable guy and he spent a great deal of time in the president's company, and i think he actually -- >> he has an incentive, though. >> now he has a great incentive, right? he's a potential witness against him. but i do believe he actually -- that they get along. and have you ever seen the dynamics walt's fixing his collar and helping his ear -- >> in the restaurant he was handing him his -- >> the most intimate moments with combs and brushes and when the president is --

>> i've never seen it linked an intimate -- >> john, we learned today the fulton county sheriff has sent teams both to when mr. trump was indicted here in new york but also today in miami they were there to assess security situations in case there were charges brought in fulton county, georgia. >> so they're doing their homework, which is what are the crowds like, what are the wild cards, what is the experience like. and they're comparing notes with their intelligence partners but also their planning partners in new york and in florida because we have this traffic jam of cases. you have the district attorney in new york who has the hush money case with michael cohen as the witness. you've got the documents case in mar-a-lago, which was dealt with today, you know, at the earliest stages. you've got the e. jean case, which he lost and the civil

thing and is now possibly going into round two as she seeks further damages. you've got the new york state attorney general tish james with a very complex civil cases with trump overvaluing and undervaluing properties and assets for his own advantage allegedly. you've got -- you've got all of these things with the january 6th case, the georgia case, the voting case, which is part of the special prosecutor's brief. that's a lot to manage in the schedule. so the question is which one of these cases -- it's going to assume precedent. which one of these judges is going to become the driver? and there's a good likelihood because this has made it to arraignment, it may be this case, it may be judge canon. and then it's a question of who's going to set that aggressive schedule? and as you've already framed there's also this wild card of a codefendant which has other dynamics.

>> given your knowledge of the former president i wonder what you saw today in him and also what today -- what does this foretell about the next year? >> i think donald trump is very struck by the words to laura coates' point the united states vs. donald trump. i think that carries a weight in his mind than frankly the case of the indictment in new york was. that is a federal charge. that is a government he used to oversee that he's now being prosecuted by, and i have to imagine that weight is hitting him. i've said is before and i'll say it again i think he's going to be in fighting mode tonight when he speaks to his audience and to his donors. but something interesting is happening in the republican field. i've been critical the republicans didn't seize this moment. this is the best political gift you could get when you're pulling 30 points behind is for your chief opponent to get indicted. nikki haley has changed her remarks and said it's kind of serious. tim scott hasn't tonight. former vice president mike pence sat down with "the wall street

journal" editorial board and says i have family who are military and this puts them at risk. i think the actual details are starting to set in. to chris sununu's point on the previous hour this is the moment. don't wait until the third indictment to take down donald trump, but this is the moment especially if you're pulling him down in double digits to take him down. >> i don't think the former president understands the weight of united states versus trump. but i also find him performative because the moment he left the courthouse he went right back into character of pretending nothing even happened. you stay in character when you have an audience. at some point the audience has to throw rotten tomatoes at him because the show is so terrible you want to turn the channel. i've been critical, too, people in the republican primary field should be coming out. but i think elected officials at every level in the senate, in the house, the governor, state

legislators, we have to build a chorus of republicans and democrats condemning these behaviorsch you listed all the indictments and potential indictments. his rap sheet is going to be longer than his accomplishments as president. i mean at what point when is enough enough? >> amen to that. i think it's hard to understand how divided the country is on this. all my friends on the left see a very clear narrative, which is what you just said, that we have a dangerous that stole precious documents and left them in the toilet for anyone to look at and wants to get away with it, and that is a threat to the country. and my friends on the right say, hey, this guy is at least a martyr if not a hero because the system's coming down on him and he's standing up for himself and he's standing up for us. so you have a split screen moment looking at the same

image, this split screen moment. and i think trying to get people to understand if there is a two-tier system it's benefitting trump. even today. no mug shot, no bail, no bond, he can travel wherever he wants to. i mean who -- what person stealing stuff from the government ever got treated like this today? if it's two-tiered, it's benefitting him, but a whole section of the country doesn't see it at that way at all. >> the arguments so many republicans have been making and we heard a lot today as well and different channels is essentially donald trump is being treated differently but in a negative way they point to -- few of them are willing to talk about the actual charges in the indictment. they're talking about hillary clinton's e-mails, the investigation of hunter biden but anything than what's in the indictment. >> i look at my time with jim jordan, if this came down that barack obama did this the calls of impeachment that would have been ringing across the halls of congress. this is as clear-cut as it comes. and i would note based on cnn's

reporting walt nauta did get the mug shot. donald trump is actually benefitting from a system that favors a former president. >> i mean what other federal accused, alleged felon, you know, is allowed to keep his passport and declared not a flight risk when he owns his own plane? >> it's not like he's hiking anywhere, john. >> at some point how many defendants get to say you know what, i might get a job one day so can i not have a trial scheduled -- i really can't have a trial that's going to last 21 days maybe because i might get a trial at some point in time? that's one of the products talking with the rnc hopefuls they're going to have to say wait a second -- unlike the e. jean carroll trial he has to be there off the campaign trail. >> he does have to be the leading candidate for president

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the former president's back in new jersey on the way to bedminster where he's expected to speak shortly. just moments ago "the wall street journal" published reaction from the former vice president pence. he says the indictment contains very serious allegations and can't defend what is alleged. meantime in the last few days since the indictment was unsealed has seen quite a few republican lawmakers tie themselves in knots in support of former president, some even defending his story of sensitive documents in a mar-a-lago bathroom saying -- and there's no making this up -- that it's okay because bathroom doors lock. never mind most bathroom doors only lock from the inside, but i digress. multiple gop sources telling us judiciary chairman jim jordan is exploring ways of making special counsel jack smith testify or otherwise divulge information about the probe. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is proposing grs defend

the special counsel's -- defunds i should say the special counsel's office. that said it's not a united funt. here's alaska senator lisa murkowski. >> pretty comprehensive i'd say condemnation of the president's actions here. the classified documents and from what we understand from the indictment out there, the types of documents that were -- that were retained, and then further to the point that when this came to his attention he chose to -- to not return it. >> over on the house side republican congressman ken buck of colorado offered support for the special counsel. >> i think the allegations are very serious. i think there were national security implications from having documents in an unsecure

area. i think that the -- the prosecutor really went into a lot of detail to explain to the american public why it was necessary too indictment a former president. >> joining us now california democratic congressman adam schiff who's facing censure from house republicans. first of all, what whado you ma of this historic arraignment today? >> they're so serious, the allegations are so premeditated in terms of donald trump's deliberate effort to hide these materials, his willingness to use his own lawyers to mislead the justice department, you couldn't fail to bring this indictment if the rule of law applied to everyone was to mean something to the justice department. so it had to be done. nonetheless, it's a sad day when

a president is again indicted. and what so many republicans were doing to defend him by attacking the justice department, by sowing -- an effort to sow disbelief and discredit the fbi, this is another way they're damaging the country, damaging our national security. besides the risk that was already taken by having these documents in an unsecured place. >> i'm wondering what you make of the arguments that many of your republican colleagues in the house are making, their kind of what aboutism, what about hillary clinton's e-mail server? what about hunter biden, the investigation of him? >> well, there's always this false equivalence argument made by republicans. what those cases never presented was evidence of a deliberate intent to misuse classified information or to put it somewhere where it wasn't supposed to belong or to obstruct an investigation. all things that are very much present in the trump situation. had trump returned the documents, had he made no effort

to hide them, had he not lied through his lawyers to investigators, he wouldn't be in this situation. and it's that malicious conduct that distinguishes it from any kind of incidental use of classified information or the incidental bringing of materials back after the presidency. this was anything but incidental in trump's case. >> and that's what makes it different in your mind, but between that and former vice president pence or president biden having -- having national security documents in various locations, an intent to deceive and an intent to obstruct and hide. >> well, absolutely. first, you have the president in the case of trump, the decision to affirmatively bring these documents home when he knew that he was not supposed to do so. you nen have the effort to hide them. you have the effort to deceive investigators about them. all of the efforts to mislead and obstruct the investigation, none of those circumstances are present in the case of pence or

biden or clinton. there was never any evidence of ill intent on any of their part. this is really what distinguishes donald trump. and, you know, this is someone who in donald trump always believed -- it was certainly most evident while he was president he was above the law. the law didn't apply to him, he could do what he wanted. and i think what this indictment and the arraignment show is, no, actually you can be held accountable and you are going to be held accountable. >> a handful of republican senatorvise gone so far as to say it could be a drag on republican candidates in 2024. do you think there could be some truth to that? >> well, you know, i think, look, if they're defending the indefensible, then a lot of republicans and independents, they're going to be disillusioned with the gop. this was supposed to be a party of law and order and a party of national security. and they're anything but now. they're a party that cozies up

to dictators and the kremlin. they're a party who thinks it's perfectly fine if your party leader has classified information in their bathroom. they will excuse anything including a president who incites a violent attack on the capitol. and, yes, that's going to drag their party down. what is amazing is that donald trump still has any support whatsoever. you would think with the lengthy and growing list of scandals, abuses of power, violations of law that he would be certainly discredited from running for anything. but nonetheless he retains a strong base of support within one of america's great political parties. >> do you think this would go to trial before the election? >> you know, that's really hard to tell, and it's even more difficult now that we see the judge who's been assigned this case who made some very questionable rulings in donald trump's favor earlier on regarding this investigation.

i have to think that any judge would probably bend over backwards to make sure they were being fair to the president in every way. this judge may take it even beyond that, so it's hard to see -- trump says he wants to go to trial quickly, but he often says things that are at odds with the truth and are contradicted by his own lawyers. i wouldn't be surprised they try to draw this out to heighten the argument it's political when it would be the trump defense team trying to make this political. >> house republicans as you well know plan to put forward a reslution that would censure and fine you in relation to the russia investigation. i wonder is it clear what you're being accused of. >> it's clear to me these are extreme house maga members who want to distract. they want to go after one of his perceived enemy, one who investigated him and impeached him. this is political pay back but

also frankly quite flattering. they must view me as effective, and they want to go after me to gratify the former president. but it will bring harm to the house to bring this kind of frivolous censure waslresolutio that would fine me $60,000. it's certainly not going to silence me or stop me. it's just further impetus for me to do my job and hold them accountable. >> adam schiff, appreciate your time. thank you. jake? >> anderson, to talk more now about the intersection of politics a law, a place where the president now seems to own yet another trump property by joined by john king, dana bash, abby philip, and conservative lawyer john conway.

we've seen some republicans offer criticism of the former president. obviously chris christie and asa hutchinson have been pretty strong, but we've seen nikki haley, and today we saw something of criticism from vice president pence. >> yeah, i think republicans are realizing that this is a problem. it's a pretty easy case for regular voters to understand. we've been i think as a country talking about the significance of classified documents, how they need to be kept secret, the importance for national security. for most -- most americans' natural lives they've been hearing about that concept. and i think all spin aside what we're seeing coming from most -- many republicans now i nuding many i should note on capitol hill especially ones with national security backgrounds is a recognition that you cannot spin these facts away. the courts will decide what they will, but the american public understands these details, and, you know, they might still support trump, by the way. i don't think you should take

this as republicans necessarily walking away from trump fully, but they're finding it difficult to defend him on these particular charges. and that also, i think, speaks to not so much a primary problem for trump but a general election problem for him where i think, you know, this broad middle, independent voters who are persuadable, who are looking at this, it's going to be an issue for him, and i think that's why we're seeing this shift over the last couple of days. >> you know, as we've been talking about the reality that donald trump believes -- all evidence supports this -- that he's being helped in the short-term in the primary process by what's happening to him legally it is baffling when you sort of stop and take a breath and think about it that all of the candidates aren't saying what chris kristi said last night never mind on the basics of the law, but if you look at the politics why

wouldn't they be kicking him as much as they can metaphorically speaking because he's in trouble. why wouldn't they be trying to take him down? they're running against him. it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you just think about these other candidates and their goal is supposedly to be the nominee, and they have to beat him. >> well, because they've been fed this diet from the conservative ecosystem that the fbi and the justice department are corrupt organizations and out to get republicans. >> and their voters believe that. so that's the hard part for quote-unquote leaders of the republican party who are trying to beat donald trump hard enough in the republican base. trump has whether it's 45, 50% if you go state by state and look at the early polling but trump has a hold the race. i talked to several officials of the campaigns tonight. i'm not saying they think chris christie is about to take off like a rock.

he said even if you don't trust the fbi, even if you think hillary clinton should have been prosecuted, even if you think there's a double standard of justice in this country, does donald trump have the judgment and character to go back inside the oval office? that's the argument christie was making. look at donald trump, look at those boxes in the shower, look at those boxes on stage. look at what he did as president, too. christie tried to make that argument. but does that person have the judgment and character you want back in office? and a lot of campaigns were impressed. i'm not saying they're going to copy that, but they're all trying to figure out what to do. when you know so many voters are loyal to trump, even beyond have doubts about the fbi, why is that? some of it is before trump, but donald trump puts everything on steroids, and that's he attacks institutions every day to either solidify that or grow it, and he's been successful in growing it. it's more than half of republicans in the late '90s had a positive view of the fbi, and

less than 20% now. it's a hard sell to make and christie is trying to make it and the others are trying to find their place. >> what are you hearing from your fellow conservative lawyers? is there any belief this is different from previous campaigns from donald trump? >> absolutely. i don't think there's any doubt in the mind of an intelligent lawyer he's in deep doo-doo. we listened to this in august and he said a lot of things and his lawyers said a lot of things right here sitting in this chair, and we haven't heard a valid factual or legal defense. and what is a factual defense? if you glom the charges together and boil it down to what it takes to put him away on all 37 counts, you just have to show they have the documents, well,

there is no dispute in the universe on that. he knew he had them. well, he's got them on tape waving them around and talked about them. he looked through the boxes himself one by one. the government asked for them back. it's documented, asked for it back multiple time, issued a subpoena. he didn't give them back as shown by the fact ult amttimate in the end when the fbi went in with a search warrant lo and behold there's hundreds of them. and he had the lawyers lie about them. there's no dispute about that. the certification issued after the subpoena, it was false. and then he was moving the boxes armed. and we have time stamped video showing he moved the boxes around in anticipation of the government's visits. there is no factual defense. we have not heard it. and the only legal defense we've heard is something about the presidential records act which basically in its very first provision says precisely the opposite of what donald trump

says, which is that these documents belong to the united states of america. we haven't heard anything. and as for the political implications if i were to say a half sameless or a three quarters sameless republican candidate for president, i'd say something like, wow, i just read this indictment and, you know, donald trump -- we love donald trump. he's done such great things for our party and for our country. like pence, i served him loyally for four years and tried to keep him out of trouble, but he gets carried away. he's a good christian man, but he gets carried away. and we have to do is the deep state are fake tapper and the fake news are all out to get him, and that's absolutely right. they're all lying about him. the democrats, shifty schiff, they're out to get him, and the woke mob absolutely hates him. but he makes it too easy for them. god bless donald trump. i know he's going to get mad at

me for saying all this. but i love him. i hope he forgives me for saying this but we need to move on, and we need to not make it so easy for the left. >> i think lindsey graham said all that you said except for that last part about we need to move on. i think that's the -- it's the last piece. that's where they don't want to go. many of them are saying that he's making it too easy for the other side. >> what are you expecting to hear as a defense from -- in court, not on truth social? >> so i read this indictment the first time, and as i've said to on-air, i was very impressed. it's one of the best crafted, best supported indictments i've ever seen. and i read it and again and did what good prosecutors do and say what's the other guy going to say? and i came up blank. that said let's assume he's not going to go in there with nothing. the lawyers in this case, tom blanch who i worked with of the

southern district of new york, are very good lawyers. in all fairness they've only been just added to the case. here's the best defense of this, to not have to defend the case and delay it. to me watch that, watch the battle over the calender. if donald trump and his team can get this thing dragged out beyond the election which is not certain but a good chance, and he wins it's over. if he loses, he's going to get tried. >> also i think what we're going to hear is a lot of pressure on republican presidential candidates to say no matter what they think even if they do the bless his heart speech that you just did, george, that they'll pardon him for the good of the country, a preempted gerald ford. >> no question that time is on his side, and delay that's his number one tactic. i think wave also seen some signals of arguments make.

he expect to see a motion of alleged prosecutorial misconduct, this claim that one of the doj lawyers made an inappropriate or improper comment to walt nauta's during of the course of trying to convince him to cooperate. >> saying i hear you're up for a judgeship. >> that's right. i think it's highly unlikely even if those comments were deemed to be improper or what have you, that doesn't seem a thing that would get the case thrown out simply because it was a case to walt nauta's lawyer and not walt nauta. but in addition to that i think we can expect to see a full throated attack on the use of evan corcoran's notes, some powerful evidence against donald trump in the words of his own attorney, that relationship they had. the attorney-client relationship as we know pierced by the justice department's motion. i suspect they'll try to get all

that evidence exclude. >> these conversations are why the campaigns are trying to rethink every hour what are we going to do here, because they all do understand that the iowa caucus, the date is not set yet. but by the time you get to march you either stop donald trump or you don't. if donald trump wins two of those three, then the snowball's down the hill. so they're all trying to figure out when is this going to be and they're not going to know for a long time. >> very interesting. the former president has just arrived at his bedminster property, and we're waiting for former president trump to make his first formal remark since the indictment. plus what john dean or carl burn at the scene who have been a part of or reported on so much of this history itself make of this historic c and historicall sad day. with ll loan ow low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. sofi get your money right.

the former president just arrived at his club in bedminster, new jersey. as we mentioned he's expected to speak shortly. we are not going to take you live but we'll monitor it and run anything that might be newsworthy for you. unsurprisingly he'll be addressing a fund-raiser, also unsurprising the campaign has sent out a mass e-mailing fund raising on the indictment. what do you expect from the former president tonight? it sounds like a raucous crowd. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, i think the former president walking outright now. you can see him right there. look, we expected this crowd to be supportive of him. it's not only his staunchest allies but as you noted some of his highest donors. one of the things we've been reporting is trump has had a

problem with high profile donor defections. so he needs this crowd. expect him to make this extremely political as we've seen, stating this is election interference, that this is democrats trying to go up against him because he is the front-runner of the 2024 republican nomination. it remains to be seen if he'll say anything about his experience in court today. now, i will note just a moment ago right before trump came out, we saw a number of his staffers who flew on a plane with him, and notably not there was walt nauta. there are other people in this crowd that i've seen who testified in front of the grand jury, so there are a lot of questions whether or not these people are going to be on that witness list, like you can't communicate with about the case. and it just became very clear when i was here today that it's going to be very, very difficult for the former president because he has such a tight inner circle since he left office. so a lot of questions as to how exactly that will work. and one source pointed out to me

many of these people are lower level staffers, it's complicated to have them try too not talk about the case if donald trump were to bring it up, for example. so a lot of questions how exactly this will work, of course. we'll be keeping our ear to the ground to see how this plays out as well. >> thanks so much. jake? >> anderson, as we've mentioned the former president once again made history today becoming the first former president of the united states of america to ever be arrested and arraigned in a federal court and the first to face federal charges. before heading into court today mr. trump wrote on his social media site, quote, one of the saddest days in the history of the country, unquote. i think that's true although probably not in the way he intended it. joining me two people who know about another sad and historic moment, the watergate scandal. legend investigative journalist and author of "chasing history a kid in the newsroom," carl bernstein.

also with me a senior contributor for the former counsel of the nixon white house, john dean. i want to get your reaction to this historic images ow of miami, donald trump arriving at the courthouse. what went through your mind watching it all? >> that we're being tested in this country in a way we haven't been before. our political institutions are being tested, the republican party is being tested. the judicial system is being tested, that all of the elements of who we are as a people are being tested as a result of one man's recklessness, one man's not caring about what he does as the president of the united states to the country but rather his own interests throughout his presidency. and the recklessness and disregard for truth, for established procedure. and what's so stunning to me today is to hear from the republican party. and this is one of the great differences with watergate where the republican party eventually coalesced against richard nixon

and said a criminal president of the united states had to leave office. we don't see that happening now. rather what we see is this indictment, trump's fellow republicans are saying, yeah, he did it. it's evident from the indictment, he did it. he did those things. it's incontrovertible, and yet they're trying to make the issue the judiciary, the president of the united states, hunter biden, hillary clinton. what about the criminal acts that are incontrovertible in this document and made so clear in that courtroom? >> john dean, the former president's codefendant, walt nauta, is an interesting figure in all of this. he did not enter a plea today. he did not have an attorney from florida. his arraignment will be later this month. what do you make of that? donald trump shows up with attorneys, they are codefendants, walt nauta does not have an attorney? >> well, i remember when there

was another group of coconspirators who after watergate certainly went their own direction and did not hang out together, so it's kind of surprising. i think if he had a good lawyer he'd be telling him he ought to be doing his own thing and strike his own pose. so it was a little bit confusing that he is hanging in tight. i guess he's still employed by mr. trump, he's still his valet. and he doesn't seem to appreciate that mr. trump is the one who got him in the whole heap of trouble he's in, and he is in a heap of >> i remember the saying, the aphorism, no man is a hero to his valet. but that might not be true in the case of mr. nauta. he might actually still be quite enamored of mr. trump. john, who do you think the on instruction case is more clear-cut against, walt nauta or donald trump? >> well, with a conspiracy all you have to do is show that there is a mutual agreement, either openly or by tacitly, to

commit a criminal act. i think they're -- the evidence is pretty strong they both agreed to undertake these activities and did the first step -- in fact, they did many steps to implement the conspiracy. so i think that charge is going to be very easy. it's a favorite of the federal prosecutors. they use 18 usc 371 regularly. and that's the one they're charged under. so i think that the conspiracy count is probably equal. i think the obstruction count is certainly stronger against mr. trump. >> carl, immediately after his arrest and arraignment donald trump stopped at a cuban-american cafe in miami where he was greeted by supporters, greeted by religious leaders. they had a little prayer circle for him. then he flew to new jersey. he's holding a fund-raiser in bedminster this evening. does this behavior surprise you at all? >> not in the least. there's every bit of evidence

that this event, that these indictments plural and others in all likelihood to come work to his advantage so far in terms of who republican voters are. there was just some comment a couple moments ago about when iowa, the primary, the caucuses and primaries there and new hampshire occur, everybody i've talked to, republicans, and i've talked to more republicans today than i have democrats, see that this is working to trump's advantage electorally. but there are some subtle shifts. we heard chris sununu tonight on this earlier broadcast. and he makes great sense. but are fellow republicans going to go along and dump trump? we don't see much evidence of that. and the really horrible thing is what does the republican party stand for today? if this law and order party is willing to go along with a

president who has broken the law throughout his presidency, who is being indicted in multiple cases with incontrovertible evidence of what he did, might he be acquitted by a jury? sure. but is the evidence there? has it been there in terms of what he did? let's look at january 6th. we know what he did. republicans know what he did. so the question becomes what about the rule of law in this country? and is one party ready to scuttle the principle of the rule of law being paramount in our culture and in our politics? >> john dean, the former president is quoted in the indictment saying, "i don't want anybody looking through my boxes," and also "wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?" these are comments he made to his attorneys. there's also apparently an audio recording of him telling mark meadows' autobiographers that the document he is showing them is secret, that he could -- when

he was president he could declassify it but since he's no longer president he had no ability to do so. do you see any parallels to the watergate tape where nixon is heard plotting with his chief of staff? >> well, of course almost virtually every conversation that nixon had, he had over 1,000 conversations that were recorded, some of them as short as five minutes, some of them eight hours, one of them, where he's talking about watergate. so the volume certainly is much vaster with nixon. but these are quite incriminating and very powerful evidence. the ones that they've got. some of those, the tapes are mr. corcoran himself giving his recollection of meetings and apparently simultaneously with the events or relatively close based on notes. those are going to be contested, i'm sure, in this criminal

trial. they'll probably try to get those thrown out, as george conway was suggesting. i think that's one of their sfrajts to get -- eliminate those. so anyway, tapes are always very powerful for juries. and about 12 of them were played during the trial of haldeman, ehrlichman, mitchell et al., who were nixon's closest aides. and they were very persuasive to the jury. >> john dean, carl bernstein, thank you so much. cnn's coverage on this historic day in the historic arraignment of the former president continues. >> that's right. up next indicate lan collins and jake tapper will have more reaction on this unprecedented day from new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. also a former federal prosecutor in florida and others. it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys! ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn.

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with keeping federal documents, some highly classified, and conspiring to obstruct federal investigators who wanted those documents back. a lot of firsts today. the first former president ever to surrender to federal authorities. the first former president to ever be fingerprinted by authorities. the first to go before a federal magistrate for arrest and arraignment. the first ever to face years in prison if convicted. >> yeah. and jake, of course after pleading not guilty to all counts it seemed to be back to business as usual for trump. he made a campaign-style stop at a restaurant just moments after he left the courthouse in miami's little havana, where he posed for photos with well wishers, many of whom stang him happy birthday. he also had a group literally praying over him as he was there in the restaurant of course alongside his co-defendant walt nauta. from there it was back to bedminster for a fund-raiser. >> a fund-raiser and a speech. we're noca