reflected on the tragedy using some colorful language. he was asked if he has any regrets, and said, quote, yes, 100, percent do not make me hold a bleeping groundhog. what the. he goes on to say, i put these gloves, on they are like there is a groundhog. i'm like what the bleep, you do not have more coaching to go with this? it was idiocy. there is an original sin, here do not hand somebody a groundhog. right? i don't know if that is the original sin, but that is what he said. rest in peace charlotte, we miss you. thank you for joining us, cnn tonight with alison camerota starts right now. alison? >> i'm with, him there should be groundhog training when you must hold a groundhog. i agree with that. >> it is like holding a, maybe do not chop the baby. >> a baby with sharp teeth, i mean -- it is a little different. >> we should not be blaming the

victim here, charlotte was -- >> thank you. great to see you, thank you so much, good evening everyone, i'm alison camerota, welcome to cnn tonight. so what happens next in the classified documents case against donald trump? will this case go to trial before the 2024 election? or will voters decide donald trump's fate before jurors get a chance to? we will get some answers to those questions tonight. also, a new york grand jury indicting marine veteran -- on manslaughter charges in the new york city subway chokehold death of 30-year-old jordan. our panel debates the strength of the evidence. and, we will show you how a group of miami high school students helped cnn be the first news network to report on what went on inside the courtroom during donald trump's indictment. it was just a little old fashion ingenuity, some sprinting and a payphone, that is all it took to get past the cell phone man in the courtroom, and this hour you will meet two

of these intrepid young journalists. okay, let's begin with happens next in the classified documents case against donald trump, let me introduce our panel, we have former assistant -- nick akerman, we have republican strategist and former senate candidate -- -- is here and -- who worked for attorney general merrick garland. also, in miami, we have cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez. so, evan, what happens next? >> well, we can anticipate, alison, that the former president's legal team is going to come in, fighting night will come in swinging at the justice department. if any indication -- if the former president's activities and his comments in the last couple of days is any indication, you can bet that they are going to go in and start mitigating and fighting against what they believe the justice department has done

here, that they believe is, unfair including of course some key evidence. evan corcoran and his, notes that stuff was cleared, obviously by a judge in washington, but this is an entirely different court district, here and they are going to try to go to a court here and see if they can get that taken out of the evidence in this case. the other thing that will have been soon, well, first of, all the former president needs to finalize his legal team, he needs to hire new lawyers who can represent him here in this court. they're going to ask for discovery, they need to get all the evidence that the justice department says will prove their case, and of course, one of the biggest things that is going to happen is trying to get the security clearance, so they can see some of these national security documents that of course are classified, all of which is what this case is about. the big question though, can this case go to trial before the 2024 election? we talk to people who operate out of this court, who know

obviously the complications of cases like this, they have a lot of doubts that the legal team will be able to prepare and will be able to get to trial before the election. we may be looking at something late into 2024 before this goes to trial. that means that the american voters may get a say before a jury here in south florida. >> okay, ivan, we will try to get answers to that right now. thank you for setting it all up for us. nick, let me turn to you, are you of the opinion as we have heard from several legal experts this week, that it cannot go to trial before the 2024 election because it will basically donald trump's team will slow roll it and be successful in doing that? >> i don't see that is necessarily so. if i were the prosecutor, i'm sure this is what they are going to do, they are going to get all that discovery out in the next couple weeks, it is going to give them everything they could possibly give them

at this point. in terms of security currencies, they are going to make the super, quick normally it could take, days but this is going to take a couple days for these people once they get the lawyers, given the security clearance, they're going to give that down, they will go into the church and say, we are an open, book we will give, everything it will be done in the next couple weeks. they will have all they need, the judge sat down a motion schedule, sat down in trial, date and let's get this to trial and six months. that is what they ought to be doing. >> so realistically this could be a trial in six months? >> yes, this is a district on what is known as the rocket docket, which means that it goes to trial immediately. this is a very simple case, there are a number of witnesses, there is the legal issues that are really not that complicated, this business about the attorney-client privilege, that is meant so that attorneys and clients can speak freely, it is

not meant that you can use your attorney as a tool for a criminal enterprise. the search warrant is going to be an issue they have not yet seen, but they will get that search warrant very quickly. the other issue, severance, trying to severance to try and get certain statements taken out of evidence, but all of these things can be done pretty quickly, none of them are difficult. >> joe, you look skeptical. >> well, look, again, far be it for me to question his legal expertise, but i will simply say there are people who got arrested today for shoplifting at center street down here in new york, who will not see a courtroom for a trial before the presidential election of 2024. so yes, i think that is the argument that the prosecution is going to make, that these are all simple matters, i don't think it is a simple matter to pierce privilege for the former president of the united states of america, i think if you are going to take that

extraordinary step, let the legal process to do so, making sure we have explained it properly not just for the people in the courtroom, but for the american people, is pretty darn important. so yes, i think there will be a lot of, hiccups but more importantly i think as we have seen with other cases, even with the former senator from alaska who had similar issues with corruption, that they are going to try and get robust discovery as much discovery as possible anytime you try to accelerate the discovery process, there is the potential for things to fall through the cracks. if there is ever one case, you know anything fall through the cracks it is going to be when you brought criminal charges against the former president of the united states for the first time in the history of this nation. >> whether it is a year, whether it will take a year and a half before the presidential election, we're six months nick just, said what will this mean for the race which is now underway? what will it mean for the country for the next six months to a year? >> it is kind of mind-boggling what it means, because really what we need to look at in this

case, it is the gop primary voters, the gop primary voters are reacting to this not a way you would expect them. 14% of gop primary voters view the president trump more favorably today than they did before he was indicted. 61% say they have no change in opinion of, them only 7% see him worse today than it had before these charges were made. he is still far and away the number one candidate, that is not changing. and when you look at how republicans are looking at, this it gets more complicated. 76% according to recent polls are saying they believe, this is purely politically motivated, they don't believe that -- only 12% believe it represents a security threat america, the complete opposite of how democrats are viewing it. so, it very well could be that donald trump gets through this unscathed, with more support than he had before this. >> absolutely, i think if i could -- one word, it is the word, can this can be moved forward

quickly. the wildcard is judge, cnn judge aileen cannon, the trump appointee, not just a trump appointee, but someone who has already been overturned on the basis of showing too much partiality to president trump, former president trump. judge cannon is to recruit herself from this, case that is what needs to happen. the question, is whether the prosecution will move for it or not. the rules for recusal, the standards for recusal, whether it could look as though someone's partiality could be in question, it is perception that actually matters. in this case, she was chosen, randomly and this is how it happens, but in this case, -- as much as we, once we have seen this exact judge, slow peddling, this exact case. so when time is of the essence because justice delayed is justice, denied when the stakes are so high, this is exactly what the rules of recusal are there for. >> i would simply say, that we have sat at this table a few times, you did not hear you

making those arguments about last case that was faced by president trump here in new york by a judge that by the eye of the beholder test arguably had the same conflict of interest. so not in this case, not delaying this case -- >> i think that is -- she is already done this, it is not just that she has some points, view or a crazy opinion on covid, which he also, did but this particular case she has already acted in a way that has been overturned by a conservative. >> >> she did not slow roll this case, she did not do anything that delay this case this case got delighted in a pretty fast manner. what she did, was she granted him a motion to have a special master, and she screwed up. she was wrong. judges get things wrong. >> but does that show partiality? >> no, 100%. you can't get somebody recused because they denied one motion, for you they didn't go along

with you on a certain issue. that does not mean she is impartial. she is a republican trump appointee, sure, but look what the trump appointees did with respect to the election issues. they denied all of them. go back to watergate, everybody was saying, the u.s. supreme court was not going to order richard nixon to turn over his oval office tapes, what did they do, ate the zip. one guy recused himself. who was the judge that broke open the watergate case, it was judge -- >> that is a slightly different era, now i will just say that. >> it is, but you still have a judge who is well qualified to be a judge, she is an experience, and she's going to take a lot of work to get yourself up to speed. the idea that she slowed ruled the thing is not right. >> we have to leave it, there i do like your optimism, thank you very much for all of your different perspectives. next, how many times have you already heard republicans try to compare donald trump's mishandling of classified

documents to joe biden, or mike pence's or hillary clinton's. these are not all the same. we will get a refresher on the facts next.

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legal analyst laura coats. great have both of you here tonight, because there is this narrative that you are starting to hear, all sorts of republicans echo, which is there are two different justice systems in this country. and, let's just put a rest to that, laura, let's start at the beginning. some republicans are trying to claim this was joe biden's, doing that joe biden has somehow indicted donald trump. here is what a group of republicans have said already this week. >> today we witness the most evil and heinous abuse of power in the history of our country, very sad thing to, watch a corrupt sitting president had his top political opponent arrested on fake and fabricated charges. >> joe biden wants to give donald trump a death sentence for documents. >> we are seeing for the first time in american history, ryan, a sitting president of the united states try and throw his opponent into jail. >> with this unprecedented

indictment, the biden administration is crossing the rubicon into despotism. biden's justice department has a track record of targeting anyone biden thinks is a political opponent. >> okay, laura, can help clear this up? is there any evidence that president biden was involved in this? >> no. i mean, he is the person who appointed the attorney general of the united states, of course attorney general merrick garland, where is a special counsel statute, alison, that gives the power to jack smith, precisely because they anticipated this very talking point. because the attorney general serves the pleasure of the united states which is not the same thing as a career prosecutors, who are there regardless of who is actually an office in political pointy, who deal with the bulk of the work and do not dictate either the priorities, or anything else. it is jack smith who has the authority under this counsel statute, in order to make the prosecutorial decisions. now he has to give a report of customer garland.

mayor garland if he should decide to disagree with what jackson with is doing, were deciding not to, do he then can go to congress, but it is really disingenuous, and in fact false to suggest this is somehow attorney general merrick garland who is at the helm. >> furthermore, john, is it a jury of donald trump spirits a grand jury of something like 23 people who actually decided on this indictment? >> that is, way it is a sitting federal granary of 23 people from palm beach county where donald trump is reasonably popular, who heard the, evidence presented by the special counsel, and then voted for these indictments. >> okay, now let's move on to something else we are hearing, laura, john, that is why did they not do, this why did they not prosecute hillary clinton with her emails? of course, there are significant differences, here's what we have heard from some republicans. >> i'm worried about joe biden's special cause flood information, i think we should treat all these cases exactly

the same. >> i think it is not appropriate, but it wasn't appropriate for hillary clinton to do what she did, biden have documents on the grusch floor. >> okay, so they are actually, seeing joe biden had classified documents, and -- they mishandled them. that part is true, but john, what part is not comparable? >> well there are some key differences here. biden, or vice president pence when this all came up, they were asked to look for, documents they sent people to, look they found, them they call the fbi, the fbi ended a search in biden summer home, there was no allegation anywhere of hiding, obstruction, moving things around. so those are kind of simple cases, where you are looking for is intent. the hillary clinton discussion is more noteworthy, and more complicated. so here is the differences. in hillary clinton's case, she was using a private email server, presumably because she

wanted to avoid the freedom of information act, personal information and communications coming out. but you also conducted a lot of state department business there. after going through 30,000 emails, the fbi found 52 email chains. >> to be clear, let me stop the, they're one of the things donald trump's allies, she really did 30,000 emails. they were actually retrieved by -- whatever she deleted before or during the subpoena, they were able to get, correct? >> there's a little irony here, which is the allegation, is she deleted them. actually, the law firm she was using the leader them saying, we thought this was all personal, stuff and most of it was recovered. the differences, and this is an important distinction, number one she should not have had those emails on a private server, number two classified stuff should not be in unsecured storage, but she was the sitting secretary of state, so first she was entitled to the classified information, but mishandled.

in the donald trump, case the charges he gathered this was not entitled to as he was leaving office, was the intent of, keeping it storing, that he was showing it to people without glances, that he was storing it in public areas of a public facility, and that the key is, when they came looking for the first time, the second time, and third time with a search, warrant there is evidence laid out in the indictment about obstruction, hiding -- from the government, and be from his own, lawyers who thought would turn over to the government in accordance to the law. that is a big difference. >> it is important to think about the bulk of this indictment is about the willful retention, but also the obstruction. the obstruction to avoid a federal grand jury, a conspiracy to move documents, it all comes down to whether it was inadvertent, or intentional. this indictment lays out intentional actions, and about somebody who no longer ought to

have the keys to the castle, we try to get back in and retain the same clearances he no longer had. that is the core, of this that is what they will have to prove in a court of law, and so far, he gradually said there is probable cause, enough right now, very different to what has been found in hillary clinton and -- >> okay, thank you both very much for helping inject that into the standoff. thank you very much. new tonight, the marine veteran who held a homeless man in a fatal chokehold on a new york city subway is indicted by a grand jury. what evidence did the jury see? that is next.

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aware of and constantly disregards that risk, and when that risk is there such nature in and agree that disregarded a constitute a gross deviation from the standard of conduct and a reasonable person would observe in the situation. so it is a very fact specific circumstance, and it is very hard for us to say here without hearing from each of the people who was on that subway car, and that, time as to what happened, what they perceived, what they thought he was doing, was it reasonable, the decision the vigil that died, did he try and come up for, eric did he seem really in danger to people. this is a tough one. and, the grand jury must have heard enough evidence for them to conclude that the charge was adequate under the standard. the question is, can they prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> jessica, you are, saying the factor was a former marine works against him in this case? >> yes i spoke to a former san

francisco prosecutor by, this one thing he brought up, is this is someone who would have known what lethal force is. so when he was engaging in this chokehold which ultimately ended in his death, he would have potentially been aware this had the potential to be lethal. so i do think that could work against him in this case. >> i feel like we heard what jordan knew lisa families lawyers will be using, the argument they will be using because they put out a statement today, after the, indictment has what they said. i think this is the point it will be making in court. bottom line, and some, point mr. penny should have let go before jordan died. there is no excuse or choking anyone for long. any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them. >> it is a really powerful statement, and i think you know, plenty of good reasons to have misgivings about our justice system, that being said, this is the system working. this indictment was clearly justified, because it does include other charges, it is not a conviction, it is not a murder conviction, it is not specifically about the elements

that need to be proven in a murder case. and, you know, this is a very fact specific situation. hopefully, we can use it as an example as to how to keep our heads a bit on the cooler side, not rushing to judgment, this is obviously incredibly, fraught very political, and someone who rides the subway other time new york city, we can appreciate the fears that people have of being both in contact with people that might cause them harm, and in contact with would be vigilantes. you can see it from both sides if you practice a bit of empathy in this case. >> joe? >> look, i think this is a reasonable conclusion to what was an unreasonable amount of hyperbolic rhetoric. i think it was always reasonable to ask the question, did he use that show called for a period of time longer than necessary. at what point was mr. nearly unresponsive? and should he have known given his previous experience that

leaving him in the hold for a period of time would result in his death? i think he is going to have due, process he will have a jury of his peers go through all the facts, and come to that finding. i think it is sad that a young man is dead. it is that that a man who raised his hand to serve this country finds himself in this position. i think that is something we should all be able to agree upon, and hopefully to your point moving forward, cooler heads will prevail, we will be able to look at situations through a -- to get to the justice people deserve. >> we will see whatever vince is presented during trial. thank you all very much for your perspective on that. next, some transgender activists now banned from the white house. we will show you what they did, and discuss whether we'll systems that. libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed without fingersticks. manage your diabetes with more coconfidence and lower your a1c. it's covered by medicare for those who qualify. ask your doctor about the freestyle libre 2 system.

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>> the white house has banned some transgender activists after they took off their shirts at a pride event at the white house. cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond has the story, so, jeremy, what happened? >> well, alison, the white house is condemning the behavior of a transgender activist who attended the white house this pride celebration this past weekend. it all began when -- a transgender activist and model attended a pride celebration on the white house grounds. it was happening on the south lawn of the white house. she removed her top at one moment, with the white house behind, her filming a video of her standing alongside to other individuals who are also shirtless, and then posted that video to social media. an uproar ensued, and the white house press secretary just

yesterday condemning that behavior, and simply unacceptable. >> that type of behavior is, as i, said unacceptable, it is not appropriate, it is disrespectful, and it really does not reflect the event that we hosted to celebrate the lgbtq+ families, and again hundreds of families who were here to celebrate they are community and who were here in attendance. so, look, the individuals in the video certainly will not be invited to future events. >> and, alison montoya actually met president biden at that very event that the white house. she posted their interaction on social media as well. now she has since said, she did not intend to be vulgar, or profane, calling instead an act of joy. alison? >> okay, jeremy diamond, thank you very much. i am back with the show, jessica, and jay. does anybody here think it is not inappropriate to take off you should other white house? i mean, do we all agree with the white house stands on this?

>> so i will go on a limb that expect me to go out on, and i will say yes. so, this clearly was inappropriate. the white house is correct. however, we need to understand what this act was. for trans people, trans women and trans men, to be proud and comfortable in their bodies as an active, joy it is an act of pride in celebration. i'm not defending in this particular action, there is a time and place, everything in the south lawn at the white house is not a great place. however, we should understand first, this is an extremely powerful moment for trans friends of mine, for the trans community in general, magic feeling it don't belong in your own body. imagine experiencing gender dysphoria, than finally feeling comfortable enough to show your body in this way to the world, to your followers on instagram. this is an extremely profound and powerful moment, again inappropriate, but it is not girls gone wild on miami beach. this was a moment of pride. second, i don't want this to distract from what is really

happening, which is tragic -- war and trans people in this country. a new study just came out and said 41% of lgbtq young people between the ages of 13 and 22 have seriously considered suicide in the last year, that number is even higher for transgender people. so, while this was a misguided act of celebration, it was one in the context of a community that is under seizure it now. >> joe? >> so i think factually that is pretty accurate, i think most republicans that i know would agree that trans people do have to live in fear, most people who are republican or conservative believe you should be able to love what you want to love, define yourself on your own terms, that is a thing that most people agree with. the problem is, when you have displays like this, it leans into the most extreme concerns, and fears of people. certainly, there are people who are bigoted who have always used the urge to protect the children, or to follow the fate, to justify some of the darkest

chapters in american history. they're in and of itself does not dismiss the reality that there are things happening in the name of some of these extreme acts, that people find troubling. so i think we should be able to find common ground, if we did not become captive of the most extreme elements, to say look, we should be able to get together, hold hands, and that you can live your life, the find yourself on your own terms. but yes, there are legitimate concerns about things being presented to children, legitimate concerns about what has become normalized. this moving of the overton window that loves what we just heard the white house on the lawn of the people's house to her. >> it is interesting, when i watch the video, i thought that it was going to be for provocative reasons, or attention getting, but it there just seem celebratory actually. then, it was not, live and it was not in front of the president, they were just making a video of themselves and took her two days to posted than on her on instagram. so, it was a little different than what i was expecting when i heard the headline. >> yeah, look, i mean it it seems celebratory, it it seem

like something you expect at a house party in the hamptons than the white house. so there is some inappropriate timing for this. i think it is unfortunate distraction, because, whether it feels like it or not, and the facts you are talking about, the statistics are troubling to know there is that much -- you know, that much pain, suffering, fear among a certain population. but i think there is a lot of misunderstanding here, because 35% of republicans actually do want to fight for more rights for the people, what they do want to do is also protect children. so that all is getting put together into one big trans phobic argument that is unfortunately unable to be parsed. we are not able to have dialogue in discussion about what is going on. i think that is the sad reality. you see something like, this people react emotionally, viscerally, we can't talk about substantial have issues better. let's talk about the mental health, issues let's talk about everything about how we can see

people better, equally, and most republicans do not want the government involved in these decisions. >> i think one thing that concerns me, this idea that people who are oppressed have to be perfect 24/7. every member of that group has to be perfect, where we will be completely sidetracked. we can't fight for the things that you are talking about. the mental health issues going on in this community, the fact that there is all out war on the existence of trans kids and adults and the fact that we are so easily able to loop this all into one conversation is really troubling. it is a respectability politics that every president marginalized repressor to deal with. >> i would just simply, say i do not think that is actually what is occurring. i think certainly again, there are loud voices out there trying to marginalize trans people, get people have already, exhausted always existed. there are more people willing to talk about broken glass in memphis then men walking around with placards saying i am a man. so yes, that element has

existed, we should push back against those, elements but there is a reason why gallic him out with a ball that should be an increase of 12% of conservatives over the last two years, people who self identify as conservatives, because some of these extreme elements, some of the things people do not consider part of the mainstream activities, they want their children to be experiencing, have either been outright ignored, or tossed, away were pushed aside and said what is wrong with that? i think that is what we see some of these behaviors that are becoming a flash point for people who don't agree. >> can you give one specific example? what is something that shouldn't be there that is happened? >> look, i mean, we don't have another seven minutes. certainly, we have seen books put in library that people don't think are age-appropriate. we have seen drag time story hours for children that people don't think are age-appropriate. we have seen even here, talking about new york state, again the article written by the new york times the bow is appropriate to have teachers --

policy of the department of education to actually conceal children's desire to identify as a different gender from the parents. i don't think it is the role of government to keep secret some parents. these are real conversations that are happening, so to leighs point, yes we should be able to have a robust conversation about these issues, and neither existence, prevent us from actually protecting. >> if we are seven, minutes i could go to each of those three examples. >> i believe we actually have that conversation. i also would say, while it is a salacious sounding headline, and obviously i think there is some agreement that there is something inappropriate at the white house, we were able to have a conversation about something people right now. so thank you very much for all those perspectives. up next, no cell phones or computers were allowed in court during trump's arraignment, so how did cnn get the information out to the world first? we used some interrupted highschoolers. they are here to explain after this. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone.

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>> cnn was the first to report on former president trump pleading not guilty yesterday, but how cnn got that information out to the public is also interesting. it involved a team of high school students and some smart maneuvering from cnn prime injustice producer hannah and cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez. they both join me now, along with lucas hansen, and lucas hudson, to high school students who helped cnn get the breaking news on the air. great to see all of you. i can't wait to hear how you did this relay race. i know it involved a payphone, which i'm sure the high school students have never used or seen before, but let me start with, you so you and your team

had a plan of course for covering the arraignment, but then suddenly had to change, course to what happened? >> yes, that is right, alison. late at night, we got an order from the chief, judge and the courthouse behind us, and she was banning all use of electronics my reporters in that building. we couldn't have our laptops in the overflow room where we could send out headlines from what was happening inside the courthouse. and so, we were having to scramble, luckily, another member of our team had done a walk through of the building, just trying to figure out if there were any possible problems that could come up, and she saw there were some payphones in the building. she even picked one, up and saw that one of them had a dial tone. so we put that in the back of our, heads then noah gray who is running the field team here had brought these guys over from -- senior high school to do basic, things like stand in line for

us, to be able to get into the courthouse in the morning. so we have to activate quickly our plan b, and plan c for how we were going to be able to report the news from inside the courthouse. >> so let's talk about, that because of finding out at that late hour there is no electronics, that is quite a wrench in the works there. so, let's start with your part of the story, you were inside the courts overflow room, and you are gathering the information in realtime, and then how were you getting into lucas, and what happened next? >> yes, so we knew there were major points in the hearing that we were going to want to wait outside as fast as possible. things like when the former president enter the courtroom, when the hearing started, and when he pleaded not guilty. we were able to pre write some of those on pieces of paper i had ripped out of my notebook. we also wrote others that have been in realtime, as fast as possible. i ripped them out of my, notebook handed to lucas who then ran them around the

building to the other lucas waiting by a payphone, and he transmitted outside to our team on the ground. >> so, lucas, how scared were you that you were going to screw up or fall down, or a chip or something? >> you don't even know the half of it, i was terrified, but i did my best. i made sure there was no obstruction in my path as i was basically sprinting to get the news as fast i could to the others. >> okay so lucas hudson, you, lucas hansen would hand off the no to, you then what did you do lucas hudson? >> yes, so if somebody was already at the phones, i would try to wait, but make my presence known to, them like it off the, phone i have something. then, i would dial my own phone number, because my phone, there were no electronics allowed in the, courthouse so my phone was in the rv in a nearby parking lot, where a producer would

pick it, up and then i would start talking to fast and what was written down on the paper, he was a, slow down i will say it again. then, he would relay the information to the, editors and eventually it would end up on the screen. and, i was just there hoping that i did not screw up, because on my left or someone from reuters, on the other side was someone from the ap, and i was like, i do not know what i'm, doing but i'm here. >> now lucas hudson, seriously, have you ever used a payphone before? >> i had not used a payphone. that was my first time using a payphone. but, i did not have to put any quarters in, it they were free. >> that is so incredible. >> and we were really lucky to have someone like evan who did know how to use a payphone, and he taught all of us. >> now, hannah, -- >> i think what hannah is trying to say, i'm the old guy. >> i got that. >> mariana, why did we need an rv in the middle of all of this?

>> it's sort of was acting as our editorial center. there was a lot going on here on the ground, and it had air conditioning, they had outlets we could charge our phones, and it allowed our team here to talk to our editors back in washington. it also give us a safe secondary location in case things got out of hand. >> so, evan, as the reporter who is going to break this news to the world, how nervous were you that somewhere along this relay race it was going to get screwed up? >> you know, you can devise the best system, and i had met these guys, i knew they were going to be diligent, and i think you trust your team in their. hannah was in there, she is frankly a rock star on our team. she works at the federal courthouse in washington, she has that place wired, and so i knew that she was going to

devise a system that was just not going to be, that would not fill us. so, that is really, you know, you have to trust the team you build, and frankly, having these guys -- from the high school where he went to, so i knew he had built a good team himself. >> well it sure looks like it. it worked. it worked against all ards, and we have a picture of hanna with the highschoolers who made this happen, and helped us break the first, break the news, and i hope you guys -- this was a great lesson for you and how news organizations operate, and thank you so much for all your help. it is great to talk to both of you lucas's, and, hannah and evan. thank you so much for explaining that all to us. great to see you guys. >> thank you so much. >> okay, tomorrow, on cnn this morning, an arizona mom who was targeted with a terrifying ar kidnapping call about her daughter's going to join live

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