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>> john king here in for anderson tonight. thanks for your time. the deal that might have been. some breaking news, new reporting of a trump attorney who wanted to try to settle with the justice department, and keep his client from facing charges. the catch, his client. also tonight, cnn gets frontline access to ukrainian special forces. on the hunt for russian commanders, to corner and kill. and later, a father a speaking out about nearly using his children and their remarkable story of surviving 40 days in

the colombian jungle. but we begin with the new reporting on what you might call the exit ramp not taken by the former president. one that might have kept him off his current road to trial in the documents case. it just hits the washington post, quoting one of donald trump's new attorney's proposed an idea in the fall of 2022. the former presidents team could try to arrange a settlement with the justice department. just aussie of the post shares the byline on that story. he joins us on the phone. now josh, walk us through this reporting. one of the presidents attorneys wanted to turn down the temperature, went to the former president of the united states, wanted to make a case for the justice department, tell us more. >> right. so john, the goal of this story was to outline all of the ways that the former president trump could have avoided being indicted, according to his own advisers. one of those ways has been a 2022, he hired chris -- who was a former -- florida solicitor general.

he agrees to pay $3 million up front. he comes in, this is right after the raid, they just raided his property and he said you should take -- the temperature town, we are going to try to find a way out of that. and what you propose is that they go to the justice department, this was before special counsel had been appointed, and -- taste the appetites. is merrick garland and his team interested in any sort of settlement agreement that avoids criminal charges. and he positive that idea to the former president, and to his other lawyers, it was rejected. and after that, what we report is that there were multiple locations where trump lawyers, trump advisers, try to get him to simply give the documents back. so what ended up happening, the indictment on friday -- and then i was at the proceedings yesterday, and he just simply refused to do it. >> you say and the story that he had this let's turn down the temperature, let's see if we can negotiate an agreement here, and pugilist forces in trump

world carried the day. do we know who they are and what their advice was? why they felt this was a bad idea? >> one of the lawyers who's been pugilist's foreign osteen. some of the folks on trump's team really see this as a public relations war. they think that's going after the department of justice in an a way raises his poll numbers, that these people are out to get him and they think fight, fight. and in fact, trump shares that instinct and the more pugilist approach is what his inclinations usually are. it takes a lot to get him to go away from that. so when this idea came, other lawyers around him really sort of -- killed it before it could be borne. >> it's a great snapshot of trump legal team going back to the beginning, what led to the special counsel investigation. what about now? two of the lawyers quit, resigned from trump's legal team just as they got word from the justice department that he

was about to be indicted. what do we know about the strategy going forward? high is still involved, but? >> he has two lawyers right now who are looking for him. todd and chris who are respected in the legal well so far. -- todd branch has had decades of experience at major love forms. these are not sidewalk audiences. but trump needs more florida council -- he needs counsel that is local, that understands the judge, understands the courthouse, understands that part of the world works and he certainly does, but he doesn't have anyone else and when this indictment came, two of his lawyers quit. it left him and his team scrambling to find new lawyers. they found multiple interviews with various firms that had disagreements with them, some said no, some said they think about it. it's a fluid situation on who

will be his counsel like the next time he sits at the defendants table. >> i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> the attorney general merrick garland today taking the rare step of a weighing in not on the case directly, but on the man who's leading it, the special counsel jack smith. >> mr. smith is a veteran career prosecutor. he is assembled a group of experienced and talented prosecutors, and agents who share his commitment to integrity and the rule of law. >> the backdrop there to our conversation tonight with the republican and former maryland governor. governor, nice to see you tonight. you just heard what he said there, one of the president's

lawyers said let's get to the justice department, let's turn down the temperature. let's try to negotiate a settlement -- talk to former president. does that surprise you at all? >> what doesn't surprise me is it's the first time i actually heard it, but it's not a surprise. it seems to be kind of par for the course. but i think we heard from the former trump attorney general bill barr, we heard from the two of my former colleagues governors both chris krissy and asa hutchinson, who were taking his case very seriously. some of the few people that are speaking out at this point. >> i have no question legally, it's quite seriously. but the trump campaign says today they raked in $7 million since the indictment. its support is holding firm if not increasing. you saw his campaign as bad for the country and bad for the party, even before these federal charges. why do so many other republicans disagree? >> well, i think it's unusual that people are trying to make the argument that they should replace donald trump, but they are not willing to stand up. so if you think that you want to be an alternative to donald trump but you're not willing to

criticize president trump, i think we can't rush the judgment in republicans that say they don't even care about seeing the facts aren't making a mistake. we shouldn't prejudge the case, but these are very serious charges. we are talking about potential and national security issues, and if half of this is true, i agree with bill barr. it's disqualifying to run for president, but we have people who are afraid to speak out. you shouldn't prejudge it, but you can't just wipe it away and try to make the argument that it's simply a weaponization of the justice department, but it's totally cool to hide nuclear secrets and attack plans on a run in a spare bathroom. >> you have not been shy at all about saying you would prefer a much smaller field. one or two challenges to get your take on trump. but the opposite is happening. just today, miami's mayor just filed papers. so it is now trump plus ten. is there any way to read the size of the field right now? >> well, there is no way to read it other than it's really

going to help donald trump. as we, know i agree with you that this potentially is going to actually strengthen his support. people are going to rally behind the president because they see this as an unfair prosecution, and now we've got i think it's 12 people in the race if suarez gets in, i've got six former -- that i served with. you have three people from florida potentially, and donald trump is at 50% or something like that. i had said when i decided not to run that we really should have a more narrow fields. we didn't want to have a repeat of the multi car pileup that we had in 2016, where we had 17 candidates and now it looks like we're getting close. we might be up to 13 already. >> you won in a blue state, not always easy for a republican to do. what did you make of the president's speech last night? there was no policy, it was all grievances, attacks on the president, attacks on the prosecutor. if you are a republican on the ballot next year in a competitive district or competitive state, listening to

the former president last night thinking that could be coming your way next september, next october, what would you be thinking? >> i think it's disastrous. we are certainly -- it's firing up at the trump base, but it certainly not capturing any swimming voters in purple states or competitive districts. it could be a real serious wipeout if we continue to double down on failure and one of the things i've been talking about is the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting interpret results. we've kind of had huge losses in the last three elections. we lost the white house, the senate in the house, and we should have performed better luster. -- >> i very much appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> let's get some perspective now with us is, mark special assistant to the former president, and director of communication in the trump 2020 reelection campaign. also with us, our cnn legal analyst, political commentator -- and cnn political commentator person -- paul, and commentator kirsten.

i want to start with you with the breaking news in the washington post. chris skies, a trusted well experienced attorney goes to the former president and says i have a way to turn down the dial here, give me permission to go talk to the justice department to try to fix this. other in the camp say no, keep up the fight. what does that tell you? that is going back, but that is before the appointment of special counsel. but if that was the approach, then what does it tell you about the legal strategy now? >> of course, that would have been a better course to go on then where the former president finds himself right now. because it was before the special counsel was ever appointed, it was right after the physical search, so the government was still going through the materials that they would have uncovered through that search at mar-a-lago. and, it was an opportunity to go in and see if there was anything they could do to keep this indictment from ever happening. it would have -- maybe the justice department would have said no, you have loved it for too long, too many opportunities missed before the search was executed.

it's always a possibility. but then the former presidents team would be able to say, look, we tried. we try to work this out with the justice department and they rejected our overture. so it would have given them even another point there even if it wasn't successful. now, this indictment has been filed, it has been brought by a grand jury, and he is stuck with it. and so yes, they can approach the justice department and try to see if he could plead, but there would be no way other than a guilty plea following that revelations of all the information that's continuing in that indictment. >> you've seen this movie before, haven't you? in the sense that experienced political people, experience policy people, in the trump administration come up with a plan, and they think they have the former president or then president or then candidate even, if you wanna go back to the 2016 sign off but then others in his circle who have a different approach. josh mentioned specifically boris epstein. we've seen this before, right? >> the story in the washington post also highlights the work of tom fits in, of judicial watch, who actually brought the lawsuit against the clinton's

trying to get the famous clinton sock audiotapes. he lost the case. and they are now using that, thompson, and it's expected that his lawyers will likely use that case to actually defend his use in this, because they ruled that those audio recordings that were apparently kept in a sock drawer were not presidential documents. and even if they were, the president had the right to keep them. >> so, it'll be very interesting. >> but as a legal matter, it wasn't the same legal case. because we're dealing with the espionage act here. this isn't a presidential records act. is it? >> i don't think that we would ever be in a situation if these weren't classified documents and importantly, if the former president had not continually rebuffed the archives and the justice departments efforts to retrieve them. even given the sensitivity. i'm a national security lawyer, even given the sensitive to the documents, i still think that had the obstructive conduct not occurred, he would not be in this position. >> democratic strategist on this type of the table, what

would your advice be to president biden right now? what would your advice be to democratic super packed for now? do you counter spend any money, dealing with it? he kept saying it's like joe biden to document, i'm not disputing but they are tiny misdemeanors if you talk to criminal way, or minor versus major if you're using basic words. do you just let it go? and let trump laid out? or do the democrats have to answer that? because trump is effective, even though it's factually incorrect. >> so far, it's only affective with the core of his base. by double digits, independent think that these charges are merited. in the abc poll this weekend. so, first of, the president of the united states. i know he's a candidate too but he needs to shut up. he has shut up. he's very wise. you know, with age comes to wisdom, he knows, joe biden 20 or 30 years ago may have been popping off about this. not now, man. so he's got a lock down. because there cannot be any influence from the government. the problem is, not so much for the democrats, it's that there

are 18 members of congress who represent the republicans, who represent districts that biden carries. today, the committee was already putting out press releases saying hey, why are you speaking out on this? where are you on this? i think that's perfectly fair. we need to get folks on the record about this. the people in maximum peril are those -- governor, just said snow. those are the folks that are really on tenterhooks here and i think that the democrats will make their lives miserable until they take a position. >> they think the difference is president biden has to stay out of it. so that's the thing. i don't think that because he's the president and the department of justice is under his control, he has to stay out of it. that doesn't mean that democrats can't talk about it. and i think that the people who are going to believe, who are going to believe that this is the same as hillary clinton or the same as bill clinton in the

socks drawer, are going to believe that. whether that's already the wall street journal doing the opinion piece -- everybody trying to say that it's the same thing, when it's not the same thing. but then there are the people that are open to persuasion, open to actually hearing what the case is about, that it's not just presidential records act. it's actually dealing with espionage act, it's -- there was nothing in clinton's sock drawer that had the attack plans to iran, or nuclear codes, or anything with nuclear systems. so how people understand the seriousness of this. >> i think at one point, we often talk, i know it's in the headlines, or maybe the news. this election, the upcoming one is gonna be the same thing you guys masterminded all the way back in the day. it's the economy is stupid. and if we are talking about this in october of 2024, that doesn't look good for the former president. if we are talking about the issues that matter to the american people in their homes, that's the strength of their audience. >> he should listen to you. >> let me borrow your words. take your words and then say, if you watched his speech last night and it's supposed to be at the economy, that speech was

stupid. that's the way we would put it there. thanks everybody for the conversation. up next, whether the republican voters were swayed by the indictment in the state where you might say it matters first. a report from new hampshire when we come back. later, a man's death on the new york subway in a chokehold, indicted in -- national debate on deadly force. per se public disorder and what anyone might do in that situation. a grand jury has weighed in on the man who use that chokehold, we'll bring you the latest. next!

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>> the breaking news tonight,

reporting in the washington post ability of one of the former president's attorneys wanted to explode with the justice department. one aimed at heading off charges in the documents case. the post story citing three people briefed on the matter, said the former president was not interested. fast forward to miami, he has, today and new hampshire today, where cnn's omar jimenez spent the day speaking with republican voters. >> it's not fair. i'm all about being fair. >> in this republican part of new hampshire, a 37 count indictment doesn't change much for some trump supporters. >> this is from the indictment. >> yeah. >> trump told the individuals that the plan was highly confidential and secret, trump also said as president i could have declassified it and now i can. but this is still a secret. what's your reaction to seeing that trump allegedly did this? >> well, it's right there with biden. that don't mean nothing. because i don't trust the d. o. t., i do not trust the fbi. i hate to say it, you might have to come up with more info.

>> anything that's in here at this point doesn't matter to you. >> i will listen to it, i will not make a decision on any of it until i have heard a lot more. >> lee haynes isn't alone either. many of trump supporters we spoke to pointing to a lengthy investigation into hunter biden 's finances, which remains ongoing, to hillary clinton being cleared of acting with criminal intent back in 2016, in what was described as a clear-less handling of classified information on a private email server's. to this trump backers, it's all evidence of a double standard being applied. now. >> you look here, but don't look over here. i wish they would stop. like, it's too much. >> even in their, there is pictures of the boxes stacked up and even spilled on the ground. that doesn't bother you? >> everything you see, you can't believe everything you see. i don't know.

i am skeptical. they told us russia collusion was real for how many years, and it improved through the mueller report that it wasn't. so how can i believe that at face value too? >> even as trump faces legal jeopardy, he remains the clear front runner in the geo primary. the former presidents rivals, so far, offering a range of reaction to the indictment. >> he is saying i'm more important than the country. these are my papers. >> if what it says is actually the case, president trump was incredibly reckless with our national security. >> this indictment contains serious charges, and i cannot defend what is alleged. >> in seabrook, new hampshire, another red part of the state, some republicans believe the allegations will help trump politically. >> he is uniting people. people are saying wait a second, it's not d versus our. it's us against them. >> he too doesn't believe what's in the indictment. >> for you to know what is

really the charge, you have to believe the charger. so >> so the contents of this indictment you are just qualifying? >> completely disqualifying. because it's all done by a completely tilted justice department. >> and despite the latest allegations, he doesn't plan to change his vote. >> you voted for trump in 2016? >> i voted for trump in 2016. >> and in 2020? >> i voted for trump in 2020. >> and you plan to vote for him in this cycle? >> if trump is on the public ticket in 2024, i would gladly vote for him again. >> he was the first person to get me to vote. and i did vote for trump in 2016, i voted for him again in 2020. at this point, all vote for trump. >> you haven't seen anything at this point to change or vote for trump? >> not really. but, i do wait until the end before i do you make the decision. if he --

if biden comes through with something stellar, who knows. >> i'm now, one woman we spoke to who didn't want to appear on camera, she was with all of her fronts. she told she's not voting for trump anymore, and it's not just because of this but that in her words since the last time she's voted for him, he is down too many things wrong. the key thing here is that this is the trump elements that the presidential primary contenders are up against here, that if the supporters were to change their vote, it's not going to come from simply an indictment from the department of justice. >> omar, i'm jealous. on the ground for us in new hampshire, thank you. the former president has gotten no support from new hampshire's governor. he will join caitlin collins at the top of the next hour. former vice president pence today also reiterating he cannot quote defend what's been alleged in this case. house republicans on the other hand, most of them out front

for their man. some saying that the even support him if he's convicted. >> absolutely. because this is ridiculous charges here. and, i am very confident that ultimately, these charges, if you were to be initially convicted, they would be overturned. i don't think there's any basis for that. >> let's get some perspective now from our cnn political commentator, kids inner, who was the member of the house committee. -- congressman congress or, i want to start with you. i assume you're having some flashbacks when you're listening to those voters. i know back in your district you would encounter some people who were so loyal to trump, it just didn't matter. if you told them this was not a coffee mug, this is a coffee mug, they would say no it isn't. how do you breakthrough to those people? >> you know, to be honest with you, it's a little heartbreaking to see what's happened to my party. and what's happened to the party that back in the day, it

was all about truth and law and order and justice. and you see the brains being a broken, frankly by donald trump, yes. but also by a lack of leadership by those in power. i mean, look. you talk about -- bob good saying this is obviously supporting him no matter what. you have leadership -- it's all about. leading leader is in leadership, and it's about telling people what the truth is, trying to persuade people to a certain way. and then they will follow you. and if a leader, so members of congress, even local leaders are simply looking at what the people want them to do and not taking the effort to explain it, there's no doubt that everyone is tracing third tail. so for me it's heartbreaking, but i don't see how this breaks short of 5 to 10 years knowing that people finally will wake up. >> and when you listen to the voters in that peeps, it's hunter biden, it's hillary, it's all the same. i'm not could be mad at donald trump until somebody takes care of that.

as a democrat, do you think that democrats should be trying to fight? that to change those minds, or is that what they get, not just from trump, that's what they get in the conservative media -- leave it alone, focus on democrats and independents or try to breakthrough to those people? >> i think that sometimes you talk not to persuade, but you understand and be understood. when i was hearing from those men who were speaking, there is some real alienation there. there is a sense that hey, nobody's on my side, the government them is against me or people in the government or against me, and at least i know trumps for me. i think there's an opening there for progressives. to say, look we do identity prop -- devote like me, the question people want to know is to like me? not or you like me, but do you like me? i think sometimes progressives don't convey to guys like that, we do like you. a lot of you guys, your veterans, your small business

owners, we like you and we've got a better cause for you to make america great than donald trump. we need you to help these kids deterrent trouble, we need you to rebuild america, we need you, we like you, and we just don't think that trump is right for you. we think you're worthy of a better cause and better leader than donald trump. often we don't sound like that. often we say you are dumb, you're in a cult, you're stupid, you're not paying attention. which just helps trump. whether you say that if they vote for you are not, that doesn't matter. the question is at least you've extended some level of respect, some level of decency, that's all we can do in this situation. that's my big concern. progressives seeing this actually help donald trump by insulting people who really should be brought into our fooled. >> you make a fantastic point. a critical point about respect. congressman kissinger, i went through your history on the january six committee. what i did note in the introduction is that you also

wore the uniform and defended your country and risk your life. when you hear a folly -- even if trump was convicted he would support him back in the oval office after learning that in bathrooms and shower stalls, where boxes that included battle plants and nuclear secrets of things like that. what goes through your mind when you hear that, given your experience in national security? >> well, it's insane. it's crazy, because look. we take in the military -- you take an oath. that oath may lead to you giving up your life on behalf of the country. in congress, we take an oath, and probably you're not going to give your life serving that oath, but you represent 700,000 people. and, it's to sit back and say that my oath requires me to defend a man and not to defend the secrets of the united states, not to defend the constitution of the united states, look, i have no doubt that bob good has convinced himself that he is fighting our richest cause. if i could get into his head, he's found a way to convince

himself and a lot of people have. but i think it's important for us to remind people over and over that look, imagine this is president obama that did this. how would you be feeling? a badge and when the next president who's a democrat does this same thing? how would you feel? and democracy can only survive if we have a basic level of trust. your vote counts, and that there's rules that we are going to play by including things like classified information and going forward and believing in your oath. -- made a good point about this illumination. that's why it's important for leaders to give voice to peoples alienation, not in a dark way but to convince them of a brighter path forward. to convince them that it can be better. we are america, don't feed your darkest anger, and that's what's happening. >> we heard a lot of grievances from the former president. president trump's team is in high spirits, that helps him in the primary.

if you talk to some democrats privately, they are in high spirits too. not because they don't think that these charges are very serious, not that they don't want him in jail, but they think that if this helps him win the nomination, that's good for us, because he's the guy that we can be. is that a way to feel? >> no. i don't think that's the right way to feel it all. listen, anybody who gets the nomination of a major party has a real shot to become president. so, you really -- if we didn't learn anything from 2016, we should've learned don't you lead for somebody that you could not tolerate being president to get the nomination. you want the best of both parties to go up against each other, because in a 50/50 country, one of these people can win. and so, i think that the idea that 2016 didn't happen, we should just keep hoping for the worst of the republicans that will be the best for democrats, it isn't necessarily. so >> i appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> up next for us, a grand jury decided to do about that marine veteran who put homeless guy into deadly chokehold into new york city subway train.

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>> manhattan grand jury indictment announced today against marine veteran daniel penny. the indictment on second degree manslaughter charges. the death of a homeless man and a new york city subway. last month you recall you see the images there, penny surrendering to police on the same charges. he is out now on bond. you'll likely remember this incident was caught on cell phone video. here's some of it on your screen right now. penny put jordan neely in a fatal chokehold after witnesses say neely made threats and scared subway riders as he revealed that he was thirsty, hungry, and he didn't care if you died. the witnesses also say penny came up from behind him and restrained him in the chokehold for several minutes, until he

stopped breathing. nearly's death led to protests, calling for the arrest of penny. pennies attorneys have said he quote, risked his own life in safety for the good of his fellow passengers. and they called him a pillar of the community. joining me now to discuss, our legal analyst joey jackson. also cnn chief law enforcement analyst john miller. and the former nypd deputy commissioner. john, let's start with you. a lot of emotion about this case but what about the process? now that daniel penny has been indicted, what next? >> the process has been a bit of a flash point in this case. the family of jordan neely wanted to know why wasn't he arrested that night? the answer came from prosecutors, who told police to hold off because they said that we need more information. they wanted to hear the 9-1-1 calls, they wanted to see if there was any other video, they want to talk to the passengers on the train, ask them if they felt threatened and finally, on may 12th, they ordered his arrest. it began that grand jury presentation and obtain this indictment today. it will be announced tomorrow. >> so joey, the sources telling us the indictment is for second degree manslaughter charges.

walk us through the specifics, why second-degree manslaughter? what's the bar for prosecutors to prove that as opposed to something else? >> i think there's two. one is the second degree manslaughter, the other being the negligent homicide. what's the distinction? when you look at the issue of second degree manslaughter, what you are speaking to is the recklessness of the contact. the legal term, what is recklessness mean? it means to consciously disregard the risk that your behavior could result in death, and death did occur. and so the issue in the case will be whether or not the defendant acted recklessly. the prosecutors will argue that to the extent that you had your arm around his neck for a prolonged period of time, certainly you can foresee this is substantial likelihood that he will die. in the event that the jury does not buy that, potentially, they buy negligent homicide. what is that? that means that you acted with criminal negligence. you acted with carelessness. very briefly, the distinction between the two. when you talk about second degree manslaughter you are talking about a potential sentence of 5 to 15 years, when you are speaking to the issue of negligence, criminally negligent homicide, you're talking about 1 to 4. that's up felony as opposed to a sea felony and new york state. it goes a, b, c, d. that's the nature of what he's facing and looking at predicated upon the indictment.

>> let me sit with you for a second. based on the limited evidence you've seen before, do you think prosecutors have a strong case here? >> so, i think the defense has a number of things to overcome. what is that? i think that they will examine the prosecutors, really the recklessness that i spoke to, but then the defense will make arguments as it relates to self defense. the issue will be twofold. one is the immediacy of the threat. did, in fact, at the time you had a person dead here and was he and should he be dead? what threat did he pose? was that threat one of a life or death? that would be an issue and

problem. the other issue, john, would be the proportionality of the force. did it take the prolonged hold on the neck to achieve the objective of ultimately sub doing him? the answer to that question is no, the defense has up for the problem and then in new york state it's not stand your ground. new york doesn't have that. you have the duty to retreat. and so whatever you practice self-defense in new york state, it's a very high bar in as much as there are a number of alternatives you can take to avoid death or having to kill someone, that is what prosecutors will argue he should have done. >> you've lived this from thde . an incident reported on video, the country has seen it, people in new york have seen over and over again. how much of the case relies on that video, even though as you know, parts of the encounter weren't even captured on video. so it's not a complete video. but there's a medical examiner, there is the witness statements, there's so much more to it, and yet in the public domain so far

it has been that video. >> i think that the video is the thing that you always wish you had as a prosecutor. if we had this on tape we can prove exactly what happened. but the tape starts halfway through the incident, so what it does not capture was the pacing around by mr. neely, one that witnesses described of him pulling his fist up, throwing his jacket down, talking about not being afraid to go back to jail or to go away for life. they are wondering what is he about to do that he could go away for life for? it suggests he was about to hurt somebody in the mind of daniel penny. so, this case might boil down to the video, but also in large part to the decision that his lawyers will make about do you put daniel penny on the stand, because they are going to have to have some show of proof of what was in his mind when he decided to use that level of force that he can articulate he felt was about to happen that justified it. >> i appreciate it. still ahead, a cnn exclusive. a ukrainian special ops team on a mission to target russian officers and we can their opponents. we will take you to the frontlines next.

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>> to ukraine now where the government in kyiv is claiming, a quote, partial success in its counteroffensive against russia. according to the deputy defense minister, ukrainian troops have made advances on two fronts. that includes towards the besieged city of bakhmut. cnn's sam kiley spoke exclusively with ukrainian special ops team in bakhmut on their efforts to tame russian troops. watch this, it is fascinating. >> a special forces night operation. the objective is to bring a special kind of misery to russian troops. as they arrived alongside ukrainian regulars, the russians attacked. a night vision recording of a routine assault that the special forces needed to shrug off. >> how long did you spend under fire like this before you could move? >> [speaking non-english] >> translator: and then what did you do? >> [speaking non-english]

>> electronic surveillance pinpointed their victims. first, they killed two paratroopers approaching on their left flank to get to the group's main targets. russian commanders near bakhmut. as there are record of an all too crazy event in march. first, one of officers's shot. and another down. he says radio intercepts reveal that the russians lost two officers and five others to their sniper team that night. >> [speaking non-english] formed when russia invaded ukraine last year, this team of experienced veterans works in the secret realm under the intelligence services.

their task, that will work seeking strategic effect. as ukraine's counteroffensive takes shape. here using a modified heavy machine gun in a hidden bunker last month closed to bakhmut. >> [speaking non-english] >> drone operators more than a mile away, a directing -- on to russian troops. how many russians have you killed in this war? >> >> a lot. [laughter] a lot of. a lot of. for example, it is a lot of russians. >> this is when you are on -- how many more or less then? >> we didn't calculate this time. >> it is the russians that they want to do the counting. because ukraine's best hope is that the russian troops run

rather than fight. >> sam joins me, now sam, remarkable access and just a simply fascinating report and what more did you learn about the ukrainian counter offensive? >> well, john, i think the important thing about the counter offensive is, first of all, that it is underway, it is underway not yet in full swing where it is most intense and the newest front opening up really is in the south between zaporizhzhia and donetsk cities. zaporizhzhia of course, ukrainian-held. donetsk held by the russians. where the ukrainians are saying and claiming that they have had a few-limited breakthroughs on that very heavily defended russian line there. and they are anxious to breakthrough completely. because if they can do that they could separate the southern front from the eastern front and they could divide russian forces as they drive south towards the occupied crimean peninsula. in fact, that would represent a

very significant tactical gain for the ukrainians. but at this stage they are only making incremental gains there. but there are also around bakhmut where bravo and his team have been fighting and carrying out those hits effectively against senior russian officers, there have also been some ukrainian advances that would allow them to perhaps even develop something tactically useful into strategic advances, john? >> sam kiley, again, for michael reporting, great fort, thank you. >> coming, up simply an incredible story, children survive more than a month in the colombian jungle after a deadly plane crash. what are you saying about the remarkable search and rescue that captivated the world? that's next. f she likes playing golf? it's expensive. we're outlawing golf. wait. can i still play? since we work with emower, we don't have to worry about planning for a third kid. you can still play golf... sometimes. take control of your financial future to empower what's next.

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>> tonight, four children who were rescued more than a month after their plane crashed in the colombian jungle are recovering at a hospital. their incredible story of survival has captured attention around the world. their father and stepfather calls the survival a miracle. telling cnn that they are a library to their efforts and spiritual nourishment. cnn's gary tuchman takes inside

the story. >> [speaking non-english] >> we found the children the rescuer says. all four siblings alive. the youngest an infant. it was the cries of that baby girl named kristen who turned one year old in the jungle that made the incredible rescue possible. all four indigenous children, leslie, slaney, tien, and christian, rescued after a surge by more than 150 soldiers. and dozens of volunteers. after the small plane they were flying in with their mother crashed. their mother, the pilot, and an older adult killed. the children, the only survivors. the father of the two younger children who is the stepfather of the two older glimpse overjoyed. >> [speaking non-english] >> translator: the story is like a legend for us, indigenous. for example, that the sun is a god. and you can't say you have seen it. but this is not a story. this is truly happened. rescuers worked on the effort named operation hope, searched feverishly, saying they now

realize they came with the 200 feet of finding that much earlier in the search. this is the children's grandfather talking about 13 year old leslie. >> [speaking non-english] >> translator: when she looked and saw that her mother was dead, she saw the feet of her younger sister were the three dead were. and she pulled her out. [speaking non-english] >> translator: she mediately saw her other two siblings hurt. so she opened her mother's bag, took out clothes, ripped them and wrapped them. >> grandfather says, leslie didn't know where she was going about started leaving clues. such as the baby bottle and baby shoes at the places they would sleep. in the jungle, rescuers found fruit and a type of cost of a flower that had been in the plane. that food ran out and the family says that the children started abc's. rescuers blared a message from the grandmother of the children from a lab speaker. [speaking non-english] leading to the children to stay in one place. and then after all of that,

baby christians cries were heard. [speaking non-english] >> translator: the children, the eldest girl was carrying the little girl and holding the second eldest girls hand. they ran to hug me. >> [speaking non-english] >> translator: after hugging them, giving them human warmth, we approached the boy who was laying down. he stood up and very consciously said my mother died. we instantly changed the narrative into a sweet one, but your grandmother is looking for you. your dad and your uncle are here. >> authorities are still looking for one of the rescue dogs, a belgian shepherd named wilson who found the children earlier but has since gone missing in the jungle. the oldest sibling leslie drew this picture of wilson. she, her two sisters, and her brother were off-loaded to the capital city of--. but they are in the hospital with authorities saying they are out of danger. [speaking non-english] >> translator: they were on their own, they themselves are an example of survival that will go down in history. today those children are the children of peace.

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