welcome to a special edition of cnn tonight. we begin with the arch of the deal that never was. tonight, the washington post reports that donald trump projected efforts by his lawyers to cut a deal with the justice department to avoid his second arrest in just ten weeks. the post reports that one of his attorneys, chris skies, floated the idea of quietly approaching the feds last fall to take the temperature down on the classified documents case. to try to find a way to avoid charging the former president. but that another materialized because trump listen to other advisers and pundits pushing him to take a much more aggressive approach. cnn reported last fall that

trump had conservative activists tom in his ear telling him that returning records to the archives was a mistake, and so now as a result of all of that, trump faces 37 criminal counts for allegedly keeping and hiding those documents and of course obstructing the investigation. behind the scenes, cnn is also learning that trump and his team are expecting a third indictment involving his attempts to overturn the election results in the state of georgia. joining me now, donald trump's former attorney michael cohen. he is the host of the mea culpa podcast and the author of the book revenge. michael, you know donald trump very well. do you think in your mind if he was ever going to opt for an option of taking a settlement instead of battling this out in public? >> no. so donald's position is never too subtle, ever. because he thinks it's a sign of weakness.

unfortunately, he didn't have anybody around him to guide him properly. he's like a petulant child that just keeps sticking their finger into an electric sockets. and then you keep saying don't do, it you don't want to do it, you don't want to do it. but nevertheless he's going to do it anyway because in his mind he knows better. and then you have somebody for example like forceps dean who will turn around and say to him, you're right donald. stick your figure into the office, it's. good instead of guiding him like many of us in the past and saying to have, you can't do that. turn to think about how many of these matters right now would not even exist had he listened to somebody who was providing him just a scintilla of good advice. just a scintilla. >> and i think that a lot of people look at this and wonder, was anybody telling him to just give the documents back? and this reporting really confirms that people were. according to the washington post, this was just one of several times that those

lawyers tried to move trump to prevent what basically unfolded in court. when you hear that, what do you think got trump to the point where holding onto documents was more important than staying out of real legal jeopardy here? >> we first of all, i don't buy the nonsense that people are telling him not to hold on to it. number one, he wouldn't listen. but number, two nobody has the cojones enough to turn around and to tell donald that you need to send it back. in fact, the proof in the pudding is that you have people like evan corcoran or you have people like what's her name, bob the other attorney who signed the affidavits to the government. kristina bob, stating that you had search the premises, that there were no documents that were left on mar-a-lago or in other locations that donald had control over. so, i don't buy the story that

people were telling him to return it. now, that doesn't mean that there wasn't one person that was giving him good advice that he was ignoring, that i am sure there was definitely somebody. but for the most part, most people don't have what it takes in order to tell donald that you're wrong, you have to do this, because donald doesn't want to hear it and if you do say, it he just terminates you. >> yesterday we saw him really projecting this sense of confidence. he went out to the versailles café in miami, he was surrounded by the crowds, he did another speech later. but his former chief of staff john kelly, who doesn't really talk that often, he told the washington post and this is a direct quote, excuse the profanity, he said that he scared -- this is the way he compensates for that. he gives people the appearance he doesn't care, by doing this.

for the first time in his life, it looks like he's being held accountable. up until this point in his life it's like, i'm not going to pay you take me to court. he's never really been held accountable before. do you agree, michael, with john kelly? do you think trump tonight is scared? >> yeah. wholeheartedly, john kelly has nailed it. in fact, today i was in court over at 60 center street on the case where i'm taking donald trump, the trump organization to trial. my trial starts next month, because they refuse to pay legal fees that are out. so yeah, donald trump does not pay. he will fight you all the way to the ends and like i say like a petulant child he will keep sticking his finger into that sockets until it really hurts. now, donald, i'm not talking -- that's metaphorically for

donald, what really hurts is when you hit him in the pocketbook. very much like what eugene carroll did. now what did he do? again, you're so right about that. he does not accept accountability. so, he goes out less than 24 hours after being hit with a 5 million-dollar verdict, he ends up going out on cnn town hall with caitlin collins and he says the same thing again and again. and now she's going to re-file an additional claim against him. unless you hit him hard in the pocket, donald trump doesn't understand accountability. >> we are talking here michael -- >> he is seeing accountability on a multitude of different legal matters. >> we are talking here about jail timing. do you think that he could really face that penalty? >> i think he actually knows that jail in and of itself is probably unlikely and to be honest with you, a lot of people get angry when i say it, especially the trump detractors. i don't want to see donald trump behind bars. i do want to see him ultimately held accountable, for his alleged crimes and if that means a sentence, i believe the right thing to do would be to put him on a very significant home confinement. and i say that because understand that donald trump, despite the fact that he's done,

he still spent four years getting classified debriefings and the information that's in his head, he's willing to sell out for a bag of tuna or a book of stamps to anybody that's there. and he would then pose a grave security risk to our country, and i would certainly prefer the safety of americans to donald trump behind bars. as much as i'd like to see that, i would rather see america safe than sorry. >> and as you, know the trump team is now looking for lawyers to represent him in the case. in florida, do you have words for advice for anyone considering taking that shot? >>. good luck. because so many people have said it and they've been accurate in their statement. donald doesn't pay. i've seen that going on for so many years. he does not pay legal fees. whether you are successful, or not. now if you're not, it's an easier reason for him to tell you that he is not paying. but even if you are successful, he just does not like to pay. he has burned so many of the top firms. they have no interest whatsoever in representing him. on top of that, he is an incredibly difficult client because he believes that his knee-jerk reaction, his

reaction is always right. one, look we are seeing it right now, his gut reaction to all of this stuff is wrong. and all of this stuff was easily avoidable. if you take the washington post article at face value, and i take the bulk of it at face value. this case only needed to do to help shut it down was to return the documents a day one. all he needed to do after he got caught with a documents was to turn it over. instead, again, the petulant child scenario. he just needs to hold on to it. he needs to fight, fight. he will fight for stupid things. now, that's of course negates -- what that does is it negates the real reason why he was holding on to those documents. >> well michael, we only have a couple seconds left. i do wonder, does it surprise you to not see really any members of the trump family, a bunker trump, along, yeah there with him for all of this that has transpired over the last 24 hours? >> well, it's true love. there is nothing else i can say about that. nothing like having your family behind you when the chips are down. >> all right michael cohen, thank you very much for joining us.

>> good to see you. >> coming up next, arnold schwarzenegger joins cnn to speak out for the first time about trump's indictment. hear his predictions for the former president, plus chris wallace joins me on how trump's rivals are going their separate ways over this as top of a potential parted heats up in the 2024 race. >> well michael, we only have a couple seconds left. i do wonder, does it surprise you to not see really any members of the trump family, a bunker trump, along, yeah there with him for all of this that has transpired over the last 24 hours? >> well, it's true love. there is nothing else i can say about that. nothing like having your family behind you when the chips are down. >> all right michael cohen, thank you very much for joining

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the far runner and your party's race has been arrested twice in -- expecting a third indictment and likely to stand trial in multiple cases before voters get to the polls, you'd think that that would make for a target for those who are challenging him for the presidency. but, when it comes to donald trump of course, there is no such thing as conventional political wisdom. since trump's indictment and arraignment, his 2024 republican rivals have fallen into three main camps. there are the ones who shame, the ones who blame, and the ones who have simply evolved. so we will start. there on friday after the indictment, nicky haley took on the justice department, accusing prosecutors of overreach and vendetta politics. but this, week she and others are noticeably changing their tune. >> if this indictment is true, if what it says is actually the case, president trump was

incredibly reckless with our national security. >> i would hope that the department of justice would see that it is clear to resolve these issues with the former president moving forward with charges. and i am deeply troubled to see this indictment move forward. >> i had the chance to review the indictment over the weekend, and this indictment contains serious charges. and i cannot defend what is alleged. >> today, what we see is a justice system where the scales are weighted. >> this case is a serious case with serious allegations. >> now, take a listen to other rivals who take a much harder line, saying that trump should be nowhere near the oval office again. >> it is a very tight, very detailed evidence laden indictment. and the conduct in there is

awful. did somebody remind him he's not the president anymore? this is a vanity run amok. it does a disservice to our servicemen and women who are bound by the rules. one of them was convicted and sent to three years in prison for mishandling classified information. >> and then there are the ones that are speaking more like trump's defense attorneys than his competitors. >> you cannot have one faction of society weaponizing at the power of the state against factions that it doesn't like. is there a different standard for a democrat secretary of state versus a former republican president? this is my commitments on january 20th 2025, if i'm elected the next u.s. president, to pardon donald j trump. >> well, whether to parted donald trump is a very hot topic on the campaign trail today. >> when you look at a parted, the issue was less about guilt and more about what's good for the country. and i think it would be terrible for the country to have a former president in prison for years because of a documents case. so i would be inclined in favor of a pardon. >> it has no place in a political campaign.

if you're running for president of the united states, you can't dangle a pardon out there to curry votes. that's problematic to me. >> i take the pardon authority very seriously. it's an enormously important power of someone in an executive position. and, i just think it's premature to have any conversation about that right now. >> and for much more on how this indictment is impacting the 2024 race, i'm joined by chris wallace, host of who is talking to chris wallace on cnn and on max. so chris, this idea of parting trump has now paradoxically become the g opiate loyalty pledge, even though all of these people are running against him. >> yeah. this is really a tough one for those geo p opponents, -- in polls that have been taken since the indictment was announced, trump is up by at least 30 points over ron desantis and all of the others

in the single digits. and the cbs poll that has been taken since the indictment, trump is at 61%, desantis is at 23. that's a 38 point margin against the second place contender and a lot more against everybody else. if you look at the internals of the poles, abby, it's even tougher for these challengers, because while 38% of republicans say that the charges are serious, 80%, four out of five, are saying that they believe the charges are politically motivated. so to take in any way shape or form the side of the biden justice department against donald trump is a very risky strategy at this point. >> it seems so. when that's so interesting that republicans that are running against trump, even in that environment, want you to storm themselves on this issue.

but we are also seeing and now some republicans having a change of tune in how they talk about it. some of them are flip-flopping over the indictment. it does that signal to you that they have to basically walk a tight rope here, maybe condemning the conduct and the handling of national -- not going so far as to condemn trump personally. >> i think that sort of like good parenting, criticize the act not the child. but even more than not they very much are putting caveats that if true. if you take a case like nicky haley who was a gradually toughened up, and she said most recently that this is incredibly reckless with our national security but she also said that she be inclined to pardon the former president who engaged in what she calls incredibly reckless behavior. so, it's just a tough --

and for the feeling of a lot of people it's the old adage, if your opponent is digging a hole, don't stop the. don't get in the way. and through kind of move -- that it will be the facts of the case and they don't have to get their hands dirty. and to kick off a lot of trump supporters in the base. >> they seem like they're taking the shovel out of his hands at this point. but, politically speaking, we are now more than 24 hours out from trump appearing in his arraignment and after his remarks last night which were full of lies and mist russian and all of that, do you do think that in this primary where he is running almost 40 points ahead of the next guy, do you think this indictment helps him consolidate the base politically? >> the answer is yes and no. and let me explain. i think that on the one hand, we saw this with the new york indictment on the hush money,

now with the miami indictment about the documents, that's the initial reaction is do you rally around the flag. to support the former president against what is seen as politically motivated actions, weaponization of the justice department. on the other hand, i think one of the arguments that some of the challengers are making, people like chris christie particularly, that really since 2016 and his surprise victory in that election, donald trump led to the house in 2018, lost the presidency in 2020, lost the senate and had a very disappointing results in the 2022 midterms, so one of the arguments that you could make against trip with a pick -- he's got a lot of baggage, and is he going to win? and you want to take the chance on nominating one of the few people who i think republicans feel could actually lose to joe

biden? >> yeah. i think that at this point republican voters seem to be kind of just missing those concerns about trump's electability, at least so far. but you interviewed trump, you've hosted debates, very memorably. you have covered him for years as well. what do you think is going through his mind right now? is he actually worried that he is going to serve time for this? i can't forget memorably today the washington post, john kelly, his former chief of staff says he's scared to death basically. and that's the nice version of what he's saying. >> look. you'd have to be crazy not to be worried. it's almost everyone, republican and democrat who has any kind of independent has said that it's a very strong indictment. now an indictment is not proof, and a lot of people who were

indicted and up found not guilty, but there's every reason for him to worry and as a man who just turned 77, you talk about a jail term it could be a life sentence. but on the other hand, donald trump has led a very different life than the rest of them. involved in litigation for decades, not a criminal case or you could actually face jail time, but this is a lot more in his wheelhouse for the average person. one of the things i thought about him ever since he got to the white house is that you think about the kind of things in your life that would paralyze you, something that goes wrong that's a leak in the faucet. it astonishes be this guy's ability to keep on keeping on, despite all of the incoming that he faces all the time. >> yeah. that is an interesting point. you can love him or hate him but that's true. he has a very high tolerance for this kind of thing.

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the political landscape just a day after former president trump's historic court appearance. the big question now is will his mounting legal troubles get in the way of his 2024 hopes? i'm back with chris wallace, host of who's talking with chris wallace. so chris, you spoke to former republican california governor arnold about the charges facing trump. what did you have to say? >> he is no trump supporter, and in fact after january 6th, he compared what had happened, the insurrection of the capital to what's called crystal knocked, when not see sympathizers when after the jews in 1938. i asked him about the indictment about donald trump, and the fact that so many republicans are siding with trump against the justice department. take a look. >> mr. trump has been indicted on federal charges, but most of them top republican officials are siding with him against the special prosecutor. how do you explain that? >> if the charges are correct, and then he is going to be in big trouble. but, at the same time i have to say that we are always innocent until proven guilty.

so we will find out what the courts say in the future. but if the charges are right, i think he's going to be in big trouble. >> like jail? >> they don't know, what the court decides. >> how worried are you about the fact that he could be reelected president? >> i'm not worried about, is because i don't think it will happen. whether or not it is just my thinking. >> because? why do you think he won't? >> i just don't think that you get reelected with certain -- 32% of the people voting for you in your polls. i think that -- those are grateful numbers amongst the conservatives. if you put it all together, it is not enough, you need to -- interdependence. you need everybody to jump in

there in order to win. you have to drive a lot of people across that line. and so the question is can you do that? i believe he can't. >> you know, happy, schwarzenegger, he talked about being elected twice as governor of california. and overwhelmingly democratic state. and one of the secrets to his success, he said, was the fact that he was able to bring a lot of democrats and a lot of independents on board. and, you know, it is a theory that you hear advanced a lot by republican strategists. which is that you can only when you are on base so many times. you have got politics is about additional traction. and there is nothing that donald trump is doing right at this moment that is adding independents or democrats to his fold of supporters. >> yeah, i mean, this is something that i think we have an increasingly hearing from trump's republican rivals. which is that the math doesn't add up. he cannot get to the numbers that he would need to get. the thing about that is that

that is such a hard argument to make to a republican base that has been hearing for the last two plus years that trump really technically one. and that it was a super close election. on the numbers really don't bear that out. that coming from arnold schwarzenegger is really interesting. chris, i do wonder, he can to run for president because he wasn't foreign in the united states. but he was a very popular politician. and as you pointed out, coming from this almost reagan lice wing of the republican party. what are his political aspirations now? >> well, he is not going to run for office again. but it was so interesting. because i said to him, you know, this is a man who came from austria and became the world's greatest bodybuilder. one of the world's biggest action stars.

the two-time governor of california. but the one thing you couldn't be was the provision you mentioned in the constitution, would you have run if you could have? he said, absolutely, in 2016 i would have run. and he said in 2024, it would be even, he called it a no-brainer. he said, against joe biden and so many people having concerns about his age, against donald trump, such that this is a figure he says i absolutely if i could, i would run for president in 2024. and he kind of indicated that he thought he would win. >> i am sure he has a little bit of a fomo here because the other celebrity candidate did run in 2016. and one. i mean, there is something to be said for celebrity in american politics, very close? >> there is indeed something to be said. and i think there is a little bit of ill feeling between the two men. trump and schwarzenegger. because after trump left, farnell shorts nega replaced him and apparently the ratings weren't as good, and trump

never missed an opportunity to point out how much bigger his ratings were then arnold, that is not the kind of thing that arnold schwarzenegger would be okay with. >> it's always about the readings the end of the day. chris wallace, thank you so much. and you can check out that full interview with arnold schwarzenegger on who is talking with chris wallace. that is friday at ten pm. and streaming on max as well. believe it or not another republican from florida jumping into the 2024 race. tonight we will game out that candidacy. plus the largest protestant denomination in the united states votes to expel churches with female pastors, including ric warren's church. we will take that on next. right after the break.

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all because they have a female pastors. now the vote wasn't even close. and it sealed the exit of two congregations. one in california and the other in kentucky. the decision paves the way to ban women from most leadership roles in the nomination. and my next guest is calling foul on this move. meredith stone, she is the executive director of the baptist women and ministry. and she penned an op-ed today titled the southern baptist convention is wrong. meredith, welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me on. >> now this is all being pushed by an ultraconservative wing of the southern baptist church. it really does seem as if they are trying to take the church back to an earlier time. why is this happening in the year 2023? >> the southern baptist convention made their position on women and ministry clear a

long time ago. with the baptist faith message that they adopted in 2000 saying that the office of pasture is one -- but this move, this year, and what has happened to both the saddleback and -- baptist church. as well as the first vote to pass an amendment which would disfellowship churches which of women serving as pastors many kind, this is a further dish management and the value of women across the i-mention. and it's part of as you say, a battle of denominational politics. as people who are in power are trying to stay in power. and to use women as the site of their battle. >> so this convention, or this constitutional amendment that you were just talking about. to only allow men to serve as pastors. they actually will need to vote again next year for it to go into effect. is there any path forward? what are you gonna do? >> i think many of the churches that have women serving as pastors, and that includes children's pastors, youth

pastors, women's pastures, they have got a lot of decisions to make during this year. there are other baptist conventions that to affirm the ordination of women that they can consider joining instead. but there is a piece of their identity that is connected to the southern baptist convention. this is like being kicked out of your family. so even though there are other polices that will accept them, it is never easy to be kicked out by your family. >> so during this year i think these congregations will have to make decisions about, will they change women's titles? wilkin women continue to be employed? will they leave the convention? or will they wait and see if the convention does fellowships them? >> one of the churches that we were referring to earlier, at the saddleback church was founded by rick warren. and he has spoken out in reaction to the vote. which was very lopsided. listen to this. >> i wanted to encourage the next generation of pastors, number one, first, it wasn't unanimous. it wasn't unanimous. there were 1200 people who, in

new orleans of all places to think that all of southern baptist's are now in about down to a single voter at an annual meeting at some -- >> -- thunderstorm southern baptist. >> i mean, that is very optimistic, the vote was not unanimous -- almost 10,000 votes were cast in favor of this decision. only 1200 against it. were you surprised by how lopsided that vote was ultimately? >> i had wondered if rick warren's influence might bring those numbers up. but ultimately i am not surprised. again, the southern baptist convention has made their position known. i did notice that there were less people who voted in favor of. >> -- where lyndon poppins serves as senior pastor. then those who voted in favor of saddleback appeal. and i think that goes to show that there is an issue of figuring out where to draw a line for women in the convention. and that women have become this

ultimate battle for the men who are leading the convention. >> yeah, this is so fascinating. i, mean that's electric shows a large and very popular church, rick warren has a huge following. even outside of southern baptist christians. so we will be interesting to see where this goes. thank you so much meredith for joining us. >> thank you. >> and coming up next, another republican, he just joined the crowded presidential race. and essentially may raise a few eyebrows, including those in florida. plus, why the top selling beer in the united states is no longer actually american.

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>> it really does feel like there is a lot of chaos and anger in congress these days from the battle over the house speaker, to the net ceiling negotiations. and today that chaos took yet another turn with republicans trying to censure democratic congressman adam schiff. an effort that ultimately failed. but one of the gop voices calling for a censure may surprise you. or maybe it won't? gop congressman george santos who is himself facing 13 federal charges, including wire fraud, money laundering, and lying to the house. he said this ahead of that vote. >> to not carry out a censure would be a miscarriage of justice and a dereliction of our sworn duty as members of the house representatives. we must preserve the integrity of the u.s. house of

representatives and censor adam shift today. >> joining me now is republican political strategist share my goals singleton, who was already chuckling before i ask the question. okay, by my count he is facing 13 federal charges and just the cherry on top here is that santos voted present in the ethics committee on this. >> after all of that, throwing his hands back in the air. i mean, look, i agree with republican congressman thomas massie. out of kentucky on the constitutionality of this one. article one, section one of the u.s. constitution prohibits those of attainment. and so for the audience to say that essentially allows government to essentially find a party guilty without due process. but we have to cross the united states. there is an ethics committee in the athienitis. three are some concerns about congressman schiff then for a bit or allow rather the ethics committee to investigate. and whatever they find then you take the next steps after that. >> what about the shamelessness of it all? >> look, i mean, george santos is the last person in my opinion to talk about integrity. here is a guy who built his entire political career on lies. so many lies, i wrote them down, i couldn't articulate all of them winless in 60 seconds.

he is an embarrassment to the house, i think he is a distraction for the caucus. and even the third congressional district that he represents, the local party there, they want him gone. the vote is, there they want him gone. so he should focus on the 13 counts that he is facing. >> yeah, i mean, i guess a lot of people are doing things for social media these days. i want to switch gears to the miami mayor, francis suarez, he is expected to jump into the race. formerly tomorrow he filed the paperwork today. i mean, i think it is fair to consider this a fairly long shot candidate. but what do you make of that decision? and, you know, florida is starting to be a very crowded state for folks down there? >> and donald trump currently is leading in the polls in florida.

i mean, i guess some folks may say that the more the merrier, but deeds vanity projects in my opinion are a bit asinine. i mean, we have gone through this in 2016 you had a plethora of candidates running, essentially canceling each other out. so donald, trump couldn't get beyond 45%, it was enough for him to continue throughout the republican primary. ultimately becoming -- president. and i am finding that we are sort of replicating the same thing all over again. and i was involved on the campaign in 2016. so you would think we have learned from history, apparently we have not. >> i am personally interested to see, i mean, if he makes it

to the debate stage, he meets the requirements? he is hispanic american. that brings another dimension to the republican race. i also want to ask you about, this bud light is no longer officially the top selling beer in america. but this comes after a social media promotion with transgender influencer dylan mulvaney. and the backlash that came as a result of that. now taking the top spot, i guess ironically, it's the mexican lager medralo. but, i mean, from bud light's perspective, does this prove their critics right? that they made that move in a way that really did not jive with their audience. >> look, from a business

perspective here, some of the audience may disagree with me, taking the politics aside, i think it was a terrible business decision. you need to know who your consumer basis. there was some studies that came out in 2019 that were published by bloomberg business week. and it was sort of an interesting aggregate of the types of drinks that liberals eee favor and the types of drink such conservatives typically favor. on the conservative side it was bourbon and it was light beers, coerce, miller lite and bud light. close to 50% of their consumers. now, most of those folks, conservatives, they are blue-collar workers. so for the most part we sort of know as we debate these culture wars where that particular demographic rests as it pertains to gender and

sexuality. so it is no surprise that conservatives will sort of come together and say, well, we are going to use our pockets, our dollars and showcase our displeasure with bud light. and now go somewhere else. and that is exactly what they have done. >> the numbers bear it out there, sales were down 24% in the week that ended in june 3rd. compared with the same -- miller lite is now having a greater sales than bud light. >> the other interesting part of the business front, i think the argument that they were making was that this was about the future audience. not the present audience. maybe a younger audience, maybe a more tolerant audience. >> coming up next in our next hour on cnn tonight, allison speaks with a high school student who's helped break and report on the news of trump's indictment. and arraignment. despite the courtroom ban on

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>> before we go tonight you may remember this fateful day when

the mayor of new york city mishandled and it isn't groundhog. and you can see why. the one trying turning back into the house like most groundhogs. she was obviously skilled it for shattering, that forecaster was charlotte, the star of the 2014 event of the staten island zoo. i am using the past tense because weeks after that incident, charlotte died. while it is unclear whether de blasio was responsible for her demise, the public certainly held him accountable. and in a new interview, de blasio reflected on the tragedy using some colorful language. he was asked if he has any regrets, and said, quote, yeah, 100 percent, i am, like, don't make me hold a believing groundhog. i mean, what the heck? he goes on to say, i put these clothes on and there is a groundhog. what the bleep, pete and have a -- it was idiocy. there is an original sin here. don't hand somebody a groundhog, right? >> i don't know if that is the original sin, but there you go, that's what he said. rest in peace charlotte, we

miss you. and thank you for joining us, cnn tonight with alison camerota starts right now. alison? will this case go to trial before the 2024 election? or will voters