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when you wave bye to the other guys. no wonder xfinity mobile is one of the fastest growing mobile services. you really shouldn't walk out the front door without it. switch today at xfinitymobile.com. tonight, a spacewalk. nasa astronauts woody hoberg and steve bowin walking in space to install solar panels to generate power for the space station. their spacewalk took just over 5 1/2 hours. you see the solar panels there. 60 feet long by 20 feet wide. nasa says that will increase the space station's power by 30%. so it made a huge difference. these are experienced guys, but of course you risk your life when you do this. it was the second walk for
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hoberg, the tenth for bowin which ties him for the most spacewalks by an american astronaut. thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. a judge some feared might slow-walk the trump case kick starts it instead. john berman here in for anderson. tonight on "360," how federal judge aileen cannon just got the documents case moving, and why one veteran prosecutor now argues against casting judgment on her ability to be impartial toward the man who appointed her. also tonight, another federal judge in another case against the former president makes it official. e. jean carroll's defamation lawsuit goes to court just as primary season begins. plus, the cnn exclusive. you will meet ukraine's drone warriors as a 3-d print machinery to send russian shells where they came from with a bang. we begin with what came as a
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surprise to some, judge aileen cannon's first order in her new position overseeing the documents case. a surprise because during her first encounter with it, she issued a ruling so favor to believe the former president, a federal appeals panel overturned her in a decision that read more like a legal scolding. two of the judges on that panel, by the way, were like her, trump appointees. that was the backdrop to today's ruling. cnn's paula reid joins us now with more on what is in this issue from the judge. paula, what can you tell us? >> well, this is the first time we've heard from judge aileen cannon since trump's arraignment earlier this week, and look, this is just a monday scheduling order. she is telling the lawyers hey, guys, start talking to doj about getting your security clearances set. but even these little orders, this schedule, she wants them to update her in five days. that's significant, john, because it's these little decisions, these little scheduling orders that over the
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course of this case could potentially determine if this case is heard before or after the election. and we know that judge cannon is under such scrutiny, mostly for that decision that you just mentioned and the fact that she is a trump appointee overseeing his case, and she is a young, relatively inexperienced judge. so everything she does is under the microscope. so it's interesting about today's scheduling order as it comes just two days after the arraignment. and she is setting a pretty tight timeline for the next update. it suggests that she might want to keep things moving. we know the special counsel has said he wants a speedy trial. but the former president's attorneys, they have every reason to want to delay this until after the election. now the one glitch here is that even though the justice department can expedite these security clearances, the former president hasn't finalized his legal team. so that's something that could delay this a little longer. but this is really one of the big tensions in this case just how long will it take to get this case in front of a jury.
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>> so paula, talk to me more about the former president's legal team. has he hired any more attorneys who at this point are barred in the state of florida to represent him there? >> we have learned through our reporting that he and his team have been speaking to some lawyers down in florida, prominent defense attorneys about possibly bringing them on to his team. but as we saw in his arraignment, two of the attorneys have been in his orbit for a little while now, not too long, todd blanche and chris kise, the former florida solicitor general, they were the ones who signed in appearances and told the court that they intended to be at least a permanent part of the team. now we do expect that they'll bring on additional attorneys, but john, historically it's been hard for the former president to retain counsel, for a lot of reasons. one, he is a notoriously difficult client, right. in the indictment, the justice department is alleging that not only was he trying to hide documents from the government, but he was allegedly trying to hide them from his own lawyer. there is also concerns about him paying his bills, and some firms that have been asked about potentially representing him
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have told us that they're a little concerned about reputational damage or possibly alienating their clients. but in talking to several sources i have down in the florida defense bar, we do expect that he will be able to find lawyers, especially if he is willing to pay up front. this is of course the case of a lifetime, but it might take a little while before he finalize his team. then they'll need those security clearances because there is such sensitive material in this case. and again, that all adds up in terms of the time it takes and when this case is eventually heard. >> a former president of the united states with the condition if he pays up front. extraordinary. >> yep. >> paula reid, thank you very much for that. one of our next guests, a fo the headline, don't automatically write off the judge in the trump documents case. nick akerman joins us. he is also a prosecutor for new york's southern district as jessica roth, who is currently a professor at manhattan's cardoza law school. jessica let me start with you.
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what you make of this ruling or this order from judge cannon today. timing is everything in the trump documents case. and this seems to be somewhat speedy. >> i thought this was a good sign. and one of the concerns about judge cannon will she delay the proceedings in a way that favors former president trump and what he might be seeking here in terms of getting this prolonged into the political season. so i thought the fact that she seemed to seize the bull by the horns and issue an order that was a relatively tight scheduling order was good sign. i also saw it as an indication that she doesn't have any plans to recuse herself, to disqualify herself on the concern of at least the appearance of partiality here. so i think we learned two things. >> you told me on tv and wrote the op-ed in "the new york times," basically not so fast to the critics of judge cannon, and that she should necessarily be called on to recuse herself. why do you feel so strongly about this? >> well, because there is really no basis to do it. in fact, sure, she blew it with
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respect to the special master in appointing a special master, but it wasn't the most outrageous decision. i mean, don't forget, michael cohen, one of trump's lawyers had a special master appointed after his search warrant. rudy giuliani also who had a search warrant, had a special master appointed. now of course there is a big difference there. both of these individuals were lawyers with lots of potentially attorney-client privileged information. but again, i think judge cannon was looking at this from the standpoint of trying to be more transparent with the public, trying to get information out there. basically, giving a different spin on this because trump was a former president. the 11th circuit said no, no, no. you've got to treat him just like any other criminal defendant in the system. and she's got her march:00 or marching orders nowment she has to treat trump like anybody else in the system. there is no reason to think she
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did anything here to try and sabotage this. if she had wanted, they also asked that the search warrant be suppressed, that the evidence be suppressed. she could have done all kinds of things if she was really looking out to help trump. and at the end of the day, it really didn't make any difference. if you look at this 40-page indictment, there is nothing 234 there that made any difference as to the fact that they couldn't use the classified documents for a brief period of their investigation. most of what was done was putting people before a grand jury, getting the testimony, getting corcoran to testify, turn over his notes, litigate that issue. all of that was done, judge cannon aside. it had nothing to do with what she did. and people are making too big of a thing out of it. and what concerns me is that we've got two institutions in our system that relate to the criminal justice. one is the department of justice, and the other is the judiciary. and both of them are charged
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with essentially making sure that neither the government or a criminal defendant is treated any differently. and right now we've got the trump people that are all screaming about the department of justice, trying to say this is biden's doing, when in fact there is an independent counsel who is very much in the mold of archibald cox, and we've got a judge who seems on surface to have complete competency here, although maybe not totally experienced. >> so jessica, if, if the special counsel and the prosecutors are very unhappy with judge cannon, and if it starts to go in a way they don't like, do they have any recourse? >> they could at that point move to have her disqualify herself. the statute that governs disqualification recusal of judges provides that if reasonable people basically could have a concern that the judge is not impartial, then the judge shall disqualify themselves. so they could make that motion
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now. they could also make it at some future date if she starts issuing rulings that would indicate bias. the concern going in is what she did in the prior rulings. to be clear, it's not that she was appointed by president trump. it's whether her prior rulings were so out of bounds legally speaking that they indicate that she is biased or at least they would raise a concern in the public eye that she is biased in some way towards president trump. so the justice bar needs to be considering whether they can succeed in that motion. and if not before her, would they want to spend the time taking it up to the 11th circuit, which again would go back to the question of delay. >> everything is about timing in this case. what about her experience? she does not have a lot of experience on the bench in criminal case. >> i think that's a tremendous concern. it's a practical concern as opposed to being the basis for a motion to take the case away from her. there is no motion one can make. there is no basis of law for removing a district court judge to whom it was assigned randomly because the judge is inexperienced in this area of law. all judges come to the bench
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with certain areas they are inexperienced. for her it seems complex criminal cases, particularly those involving classified information. so the government is going to have to double down on the work that it does to prepare her in advance of any rulings she has to make. >> to that point, is there anything the special prosecutors need to do here given her experience? >> oh, sure. they're going to be briefing every little legal issue. they're going to be setting up kind of the guidelines that she has to follow. i had this happen to me in a ten-defendant trial. it was an appointee who was a former deputy mayor of new york who never did a criminal trial. the first criminal trial he did is one i had with ten defendants. and i just had to work like crazy. i was writing more briefs and was basically a treaties machine to make sure this judge understood every little fine piece of the law. and that's what they're going to do. >> interesting. nick akerman, jessica roth, thank you both. stick around. we're going talk to you more about this next story. a federal judge today setting the date for e. jean carroll's
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next civil case against donald trump now that he has already been found liable for sexually abusing. what are you learning about the president's latest trial date and how it could conflict with all the other dates on the calendar. >> do you have calendar ready? this is going to crash the primary season, no question. but if we look at all of the legal cases that the former president is facing, he is going to trial. his company is going to trial in october over the new york attorney general civil lawsuit involving the company's financial statements. he sat for a deposition in that case. so that deposition will be played. it will become public. this is going to be something he'll have to contend with. and then just in january, a few months later, he will go on trial again in this e. jean carroll civil lawsuit. now he did not attend the last trial, and he did not testify. it remains to be seen if he will
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change his mind either way in this case. it will go right when this primary season is kick off, and it's a crowded field already. he is certainly not going to be backing down. he is going to be out on the campaign trail. then in march, just two months later is when his trial is set for the criminal case in new york in that hush money case. in that case, he is required to attend. so that is going to take up -- no one has set the days yet, but it could be two, three days that he will be required to be off the campaign trail during week monday through friday when this trial sits. and it remains to be seen when the classified documents trial will be set. and judges have been cognizant that he does have a first amendment right. he is campaigning. he does need to be out in the field. but there is also due process. it's a speedy trial. as the special counsel's team has said, they're willing to move quickly. it's starting to get a little crowded and it remains to be seen if there are going to be any further charges against the former president because the fulton county district attorney is still conducting her investigation, has kind of
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signaled that there could be a decision in august. it remains to be seen what the special counsel will do as they look at january 6th. >> and just to be clear, this is not the same lawsuit exactly brought by e. jean carroll in which donald trump was found liable for sexual abuse last month. can you explain why the split here? >> yeah. so this lawsuit that we're talking about was the first one that was filed in november of 2019. it's the defamation lawsuit. e. jean carroll wrote her book. she made these allegations that trump had rapeder in theberg dove good man department store. and then he came out very much that he didn't know her, he thought this was made up for her book sales. that has been tied up on appeal and these legal issues, in part because both the trump justice department and the biden justice department have said that trump was making these statements when he was president so, it fell within the scope of his duties. so they have said essentially doj should be substituted as the
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defendant which would end the case. she filed a subsequent lawsuit. that's the one that went to trial. but this one has been lingering. what very interesting is the department of justice in these court filings have said they need a little more time to decide if they're going to continue with their position, in part because of the evidence that came out in this first trial. so it really could potentially turn on whether doj still believes that trump is acting within the scope. either way there are some legal issues here for the judge to work out. but it's a case that this judge is looking to put a marker on and get it moving. and carroll of course just recently won the ability to amend that lawsuit to include some of the statements that trump made at the town hall that were repeating statements that the jury found to be defamatory. so she could potentially seek even more punitive damages if she is successful. >> you really need a spreadsheet to keep track of all the legal issues facing the former president. kara, stick around. i want to bring back jessica roth into the conversation and i want to talk about the political aspects again. so former george w. bush special assistant scott jennings is with
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us as well. jessica, just quickly, how do you see this trial playing out? will it go on time as ordered? >> it's hard to imagine that it will, given the other criminal cases that are on former president trump's calendar. criminal cases generally take precedence over civil cases in being tried because of a defendant's right to a speedy trial. so at some point, something is going to have to give. he's got the manhattan district attorney's criminal charges. the special counsel's criminal charges in florida. if there are additional charges that are criminal filed in georgia this summer that would add a third criminal case. and the special counsel may have additional criminal charges, including for the january 6th investigation. so at some point, it's just going to be a matter of are there days left on the calendar to say nothing of the legal challenges involved for his lawyers and thinking about how to coordinate the defense in all these cases and the implications of statements that he may make or filings they may make in certain cases for their strategy
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in other case. >> scott, you've worked on campaigns. i mean, how distracting would all of this be? how distracting would it be to a normal campaign? and how distracting will it be do you think to the trump campaign? >> well, it's going to be quite distracting. i mean, running for president is one of the most attention necessary items you can do in politics. some of these other officious run for, maybe it's not all encompassing. running for president is absolutely an all encompassing issue. you look at the calendar here and think about what's going to happen. it's not just going out and doing your normal rallies and stuff. things happen, such as in august they're going have some debates. the rnc is going to have some debates. that's about the time we're supposed to hear about the fulton county, georgia indictments in which he is obviously in the crosshairs down there. you think about over time you're trying to prepare to run for president on a daily basics, you're trying to do those events. you've got to meet with your lawyers to prepare your defense.
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you've got to do debate prep. you've got to do deposition prep. human beings only have see much bandwidths, so much attention and so many hours in the day. it will be quite overwhelming. and i think what republicans are ultimately going to have to ask themselves, is this going to be a campaign about voters or is it going to be a campaign about trump? because i guarantee you, all he is going to want the talk about is all of his woes and the legal system, and that's not really addressing the needs of the country right now. >> kara, any word from trump's legal team on this? >> they haven't responded to this order yet tonight, but what they already signaled is they're going to ask the judge to essentially dismiss the lawsuit. they're going to ask for summary judgment. and their argument is interesting, because they want to say because this jury did hear the whole case found that trump did not rape her, but they found he sexually abused her, they're going to argue that that means that these statements could not be defamatory. but ultimately, it will be up to the judge to decide if he is going the rule on that or if he is going let a jury decide. >> as i said, sate lot to
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digest. kara scannell, jessica roth, scott jennings, great to see you one and all. next, someone we don't hear from all that often. president obama weighs in on race when wokeness goes too far, and the republican party. also tonight, an exclusive look inside one of the most daring operation in ukraine's counteroffensive, making drones, which is part mcgyver and then arming them sometimes with russia's own shells and then marking them return to center explosively. tourists photogrgraphing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. that can be analyzed by ai in real time. ♪ so researchers can identify which areas are at risk. and help life underwater flourish. ♪ i will be a travel influencer... hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has.
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former president obama is speaking out, talking on his former senior adviser david axelrod's ax files podcast. he weighed in on the state of the republican party and race in america. the former president saying the gop needs a, quote, honest accounting of the country past and present when it comes to the subject. >> and so if a republican who may even be sincere in saying i want us all to live together doesn't have a plan for how do we address crippling generational poverty that is a consequence of hundreds of years of racism in this society, and we need to do something about that. if somebody is not proposing, both acknowledging and proposing elements that say no, we can't just ignore all that and pretend
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as if everything is equal and fair we actually have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. if they're not doing that, then i think people are rightly skeptical. >> david axelrod joins us. also, fellow cnn political commentator and former special adviser to president obama van jones. so david, you obviously know the former president well, and have been with him in so many of the key moments from nearly the beginning of his political career. how have you seen his views on race in this country evolve from, say, the democratic national convention, the famous speech in 2004 to today? >> well, that's actually where our conversation began. and i asked for his assessment of where we were then and where we are now. but this particular exchange that you played began with a discussion of senator scott, tim scott, because there are elements of his presentation that are very reminiscent of that speech in 2004 and the way
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senator obama rapped his story into the larger american story. where they diverge is in the conclusion because senator obama and president obama's conclusion wasn't that because i succeeded or because some of these barriers have fallen doesn't mean that we're where we need to be. and his point was, you know, he accepts and embraces the story of senator scott and nikki haley and others who herald their stories as examples of american progress. but it's not enough. you also have to address the realities of where we are. and i think he never in all the time i have worked with him and have known him, john, he never suggested that somehow because he was elected president and that barrier was broken, that we were in some kind of post racial society and hundreds of years of systemic racism just faded away.
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that was not -- that's not realistic. >> you know, van, one of the things that the former president told ax is that the republican party should acknowledge issues of president obama and racial issues in the country instead of saying now everything is equal and fair. what do you make of that? >> it's just good to hear his voice again. you don't realize how much you miss hearing sane, balanced, kind, thoughtful commentary until you get the chance to hear from president obama. i really encourage people to listen to the podcast. he talked about a number of things. what i thought was most interesting was when axelrod pushed him and said what about that speech in 2004? all the hope and change stuff. he said listen, that speech was aspirational. it wasn't just a literal description of america. but it was aspirational. and that's a part of the american ethos is holding on to
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the dream of what we can be. we have a founding reality that was ugly and unequal with slavery and women couldn't vote and everything else. but the founding dream, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that's what you've got to continue to strive for. but you can't tell the kids in the back telephone car we already got to disney world when you're 20 miles away. we got a long way to go. i thought it was great to be sort of reminded that president obama has always been a racial optimist, not a racial fantasist. i think that's the difference between him and some of these other voices. now. >> it's interesting you say that a racial fantasist. and ax is a tough questioner, does a very tough interview there. i do want to play another part of this discussion where the former president weighs in on the issue of so-called wokeness. listen to this. >> i am dismissive of people who try to outwoke because women in
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the workplace don't want to be sexually harassed. if a guy says oh, you can't take a joke. you're being woke. no. what is being true is i think we have tended at times on the progressive side to tip into kind of a scolding social etiquette police and virtue signaling whereby somebody does, saying something exactly the right way, even if we all know they kind of didn't mean it in an offensive way, and suddenly you've got partly because of social media, everybody jumping on them and saying somehow, oh, you must be racist or sexist. i think that does make people feel under assault. and i think it alienates us from our allies. >> if i can get both you have to weigh in on this quickly. van, you first. >> well, i think, again, that's
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that reasonableness. on the one hand, there are horrific things that have happened and continue to happen to people because of their identity. you want the stand up for that. but you want to do it with love. you want to do it where you can with empathy and sympathy and not assuming the worst about people. and i think that's a part of that racial optimism that he represents and realism about how it is we build more consensus and not drive people away from us by calling them names all the time. >> david? >> yeah, i agree with that. and look, the whole conversation which was really about some of the challenges to our democracy at this moment were about how we repair the american community, how we begin to find to see each other in ourselves more at a time when social media and our politics and frankly cable tv sometimes just drives us into our silos. and this commentary that he just gave was an example of that. we tend to go to our battle stations very fast and denounce people and their character.
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and sometimes you need to take a step back and say what's this all about? instead of going to those battle stations. yeah, the whole conversation i think is well worth listening to. he's been thinking and writing and speaking about these issues a lot. his foundation has been addressing it. and this is, as he says, this is a moment of crisis for democracy here and everywhere, and we need to step back and really examine these issues. >> it really is a great discussion. david axelrod, van jones, great hearing both of your voices. thank you so much. >> enough. >> thanks, john. coming up, one of the most daring missions in modern warfare. building killer drones. we take you inside an elite ukrainian unit doing that with precision, as they target the enemy.
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tonight, we have an extraordinary report from the front lines in ukraine. cnn got exclusive access to an elite ukrainian drone unit. it really is unbelievable to see and unbelievably dangerous. you're to be see a view inside the brutal complicated and i should add ingenious battle against russia. here is fred pleitgen's incredible report. >> reporter: a 3-d printed stabilizer fin, some plumbing tubing, lots of glue, and the bomb is ready. then its night vision goggles on, lights off, and full speed ahead to the front line. we're with an elite drone unit of ukraine's security service, the sbu and the patrol police, looking to take out a key
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russian anti-tank position with a precision strike. we found this target only recently, a team leader says. it was discovered literally today, and today it will be destroyed. >> we're going to the drone launch site right now. obviously it's extremely dangerous, and we have to watch out that the russians don't see us. speed and precision are essential. the drone, a copter on steroids, able to carry a massive payload, up to 45 pounds. in this case, a mortar shell the ukrainians say they got from retreating russian forces elsewhere, and are now using to hit putin's army. >> we are finished our preparing. >> okay. >> bomb is ready, and we're ready to go. >> okay. >> is it time? ready, steady, go. >> reporter: it's big. it's loud, and it's heading straight to the russian position. we need to hide.
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out here, the hunters quickly become the hunted. so for the russians, the drone crews are also a high value target. so obviously the russians want nothing more than to kill these guys. unfazed by the shelling around us, the pilot flies straight to the target and releases the bomb. >> this moment we call from ukraine with love. >> so you just dropped the bomb? >> yeah. >> reporter: this is what the blast looks like from the drone's camera. pitch-black. the strike fully automated. it's not until daytime that a reconnaissance flight proves they've hit and destroyed the target. not clear how many russians were killed and wounded here. this will allow the defense forces of ukraine to move forward and continue the offensive, he says, with minimal losses, we'll inflict massive losses on the enemy for the victory of ukraine. but it's not over. as the uav flies back, intercepted text messages show the russians have heard the drone and are targeting it.
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"enemy bird spotted" a russian texts. "understood" another answers. they launch flares to spot the drone. >> now we can see. >> oh, back there. >> are they shooting those up to see the drone? >> they cannot see the drone. >> reporter: finally, the drone makes it back. they need to get out of here fast. >> we follow you? >> yeah. >> reporter: after what they say was a successful mission, the drone warriors leave exactly the way they came. fred joins me now from zaporizhzhia. fred, what extraordinary footage. what a remarkable vantage point you had. obviously, what this drone unit does is extremely dangerous. have they taken a lot of losses? >> hi there, john. certainly it is extremely dangerous. and you know special teams like, this they've used the cover of
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darkness. they move in a really stealthy way. but they also are extremely vulnerable if they get discovered and taken under fire. the drone units are extremely high value units for the russians. the guys told us if the russians see them, they'll unleash entirely artillery barrages or rocket barrages to try to kill them. i asked about this. they said of course it's happened in the past they have been discovered and they did have people wounded. no one has been killed so far. they obviously say they want to keep it that way. but they also say they certainly are not going to back down from the missions that they're currently conducting, john. >> how high-tech, fred, are the drones that they're using? is this more about gumption or advanced technology? >> i mean, i would say they are pretty high-tech. and we were quite surprised. because the drone they had there, which they called a chair by the way because it's so big, it flies extremely quickly. they don't actually have visual confirmation that they've destroyed the target until they fly over and afterwards. all of that is automated.
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and it was quite surprising to us that it works that well. it is pretty high-tech. they are able to hit extremely accurately. and they say, john, that they are called to these operations because what they do is a lot more accurate than, for instance, artillery. and so for those real high value targets, drones are what the ukrainians are using, john. >> just to be clear, what was the explosive they were using? it was a found mortar combined with something else? >> yeah, it was a mortar, a 122 millimeter mortar that they found from the russians when the russians were retreating from kherson. that of course was a battle that took place last year when the russians retreated from there. and the ukrainians were essentially joking and saying look, we're giving them back their ammunition. they used that, and then they basically rigged that with a stabilizer that they 3-d printed and some tubing that they got. and that made it extremely accurate. that was also one of the things that surprised us as well. with something that seemed as rudimentary like that, they were able to conduct a precision strike. they did show us later when they
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had a reconnaissance flight a day later that they very accurately hit that target, john. >> it also surprised me, fred, frankly, nothing more than the fact that we were seeing it to begin with. an extraordinary vantage point. thank you so much for sharing it with us. so glad you and your team are safe. frederik pleitgen, thank you very much. and we are just getting word here at home there is breaking news. we just received video from the town of perry ton, texas, northeast of amarillo, not far from the oklahoma border. it is tornado country, and a tornado did this. look at that. this obviously devastating. responders from across the area are now heading to the scene. there is no word yet of injuries or fatalities. cnn's chad myers monitoring all of this from the weather center. chad, what's the latest from there? >> you know, it's a volatile night. we had a tornado on the ground likely in ohio. we had damage in michigan. and the area we're talking about where that tornado was on the ground was texas. yes, perryton, texas.
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this is a large tornado that did quite a bit of damage to very fragile structures. a lot of mobile homes, a lot of aluminum frame houses and things like that. this is the video that we're seeing. this is the stovepipe tornado that was caught on camera. a couple of storm chasers were out there. very brave. they stopped their cars. they helped people right away. they saw how much damage was actually out there and how many people needed help. first responders coming in from all over the northern part of the texas panhandle. now this isn't over. this is the area we're talking about. even though we're getting into nightfall, we still have the energy in the atmosphere. it's hot out there. it's still in the 80s and the 90s out here. that's the energy that these storms will use to make more tornados likely tonight. and if you hear a warning, if you hear a siren, if your alarm goes off, if your phone goes off, make sure you know what to do. make sure you know what to do before it even goes off. we have two real areas of concern at this point in time, maybe three. i'll get to the third one that
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is just developing. that's the same storm that hit perryton. it is now into parts of oklahoma, including cheyenne, moving to the east from there. and then here down along i-35. oklahoma city that way, dallas, texas that way. gainesville, you're under the tornado warning right now. that's gainesville, texas with a tornado warning. wind, hail. hail the size possibly of baseballs. and i've heard a few of them said today the size of cd disks, like the cd player that you put in your car little slot there, that's how large some of these hail stones were, 5 inches in diameter. and you get wind at 80 miles per hour, some hail coming down there. is a lot of potential, a lot more damage is still possible tonight, even though the sun is setting and because the sun is setting and you may be going to sleep, you need to really pay attention. and this line goes all the way even into alabama and north florida. so there is a lot more of this to come tonight, john. we'll be following it here. >> footage does not look good.
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it is not over yet. everyone, please listen. listen to your radio. stay close and stay safe. chad myers, thank you very much. >> you bet. so much focus has been on the former president and his historic not guilty plea to that federal indictment. and recently, former first lady melania trump has mostly been absent from the spotlight, even as her husband appeared in court this week. but the former president talked about her this week. what he said and what mrs. trump has been doing since leaving the white house, next. your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shiel the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really wos. known as a loving parent.
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as we have been reporting tonight, the former president is facing legal trouble on several fronts. there is the classified documents case, the e. jean carroll defamation indication and other investigations. there has been no shortage of the president in the spotlight. but there is one person notably missing from his side in public, former first lady melania trump. our randi kaye looks at where the former first lady has been since she left the white house. >> how does she take it? she is hurt when the family is hurt. >> reporter: that was former president donald trump, talking about his wife melania on his friend roger stone's radio show on sunday. trump revealed that melania was hurt after finding out the department of justice had indicted him for allegedly having classified documents at his mar-a-lago resort. yet melania was nowhere to be seen in miami when trump
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surrendered tuesday and appeared in court. these photos show melania was in new york city earlier this week. we've learned melania has since joined her husband at trump's bedminster golf club in new jersey. melania has certainly been enjoying a less high profile post-white house life than her husband. >> the past four years have been unforgettable. >> reporter: since leaving the white house, she has rarely been seen in public, except for the occasional trip to the hair salon. she is busy raising their son baron and working on her business venture, digital artworks purchased through crypto currency. this one features a close-up of her eyes drawn by a french artist. it's titled "melania's vision" and comes with the drawing as well as this recorded audio message. >> my vision is look forward with inspiration, strength, and courage. >> reporter: and the business has the backing of her husband. >> she is going to do great. she does really -- she's got a great imagination. >> reporter: judging from her
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twitter account, it's keeping melania very busy. over the years she's also tweeted about major news events, like the tornado tragedy that rocked kentucky. and on a brighter note, she shared this holiday visit with the florida coast guard. in april of this year, she posted a happy erred day message on twitter. and more recently, on may 9th, she posted about her luncheon with a group of foster teens. she said they talked about their hopes for the future. she was interviewed by fox news and asked about the state of the country. >> i think it's sad to see what's going on, if you really look deeply into it. i think a lot of people are struggling and suffering, and what is going on around the world as well. so it's very sad to see and i hope it changes fast. >> high is it happening? >> leadership. >> what's missing from her twitter feed, any mention of her husband's legal battles. a person familiar with melania's
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strategy put it this way to cnn. why would she say anything? her thinking is, if she's quiet, it will just go away. but melania trump may not be ready to go away. recently teasing a possible return to the white house. >> never say never. >> and john, we know melania trump likes her privacy. she often retreats into the background, staying in a different city or different state than her husband. we know she was with him when he announced he was going to run again, but we haven't seen much of her on the campaign trail during these early campaign stops. the other issue, john, for this upcoming campaign season, when it really gets going, is they have their son baron, in his last year of high school in florida. how much time will melania trump have to be on the campaign trump. she may want to spend more time at home with him in florida during his last year of high school. >> thank you very much. up next, the craziest,
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so, i promised whacky and terrifying, so here you go. 42% of ceos at a yale summit said ai, artificial intelligence, could destroy humanity in five to ten years. yes, i did say "destroy humanity." in the poll shared exclusively with cnn, 119 ceos were surveyed from several companies, including walmart, manufacturing and other industries. let's dig deeper on this because apparently our lives are at stake and times is wasting. harry, we've done a lot of polling segments together, and normally i would say, hey, not being destroyed in ten years is leaning outside the margin of error. but 42% say we're going down soon. any other -- >> i saw this poll, i couldn't believe it. but then it turns out there's a study that came out last year which they polled a bunch of ai experts. and basically they asked the
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question, you know, do you believe that ai could lead to a nuclear level disaster in the next century. and what they found was 36% of them agreed with this, agreed, john. perhaps the good news is only 16% strongly agreed. >> these surveys are all awful. if it's 2%, it's bad. but you're getting 30s and 40s here of allegedly smart people saying, we're in big trouble. >> at least we get to spend our final moments together, john. >> i'm so sure i agree with you on that. have there been moments like this before where people had the same dark views of technology? >> remember y2k. i was a young boy back then. there was all this worry there's going to be a computer bug. could it lead to a nuclear level disaster, a defense disaster. what the polling found back in 1998 was that nearly a third of americans agreed that that was likely, nearly a third. and of course we got past y2k
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perfectly okay. but that polling then looks a lot like the polling now. yes, there's all these bad numbers, but let's hold up our breeches. let's see what actually happens going forward. >> destruction of humanity still scares me when it's 42%. when we talk about ai, i frankly think of "the terminator." is that a reasonable thing to have conjured in our head? >> yeah, let me just say "the terminator" scared the ever loving crud out of me when i was a kid. i had to see many psychologists because i saw it when i was 8 years old. james cameron is working on a new "terminator" script, and it turns out that he is not going to finish that script until he finds out the future of ai. the man who created the bad images of ai in our head is worried about the current ai. and perhaps that to me is the scariest thing of all. >> he may only have five to ten years. harry enten, thank you for being with us for now. >> yes. >> we'll be right back. but here i am...
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