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states of america, joe biden. and, the entire ride in crime family. i will totally obliterate the deep state. >> i'm quoting now from this new york times story, quote, mr. trump's promise fits into a larger movement on the right to get the fbi overall, a justice department the conservatives claim has been weaponized against, them and abandon the norm which many republicans view as a facade that the government should operate independently from the president. according to the report, one of the figures involved in this reworking of the doj is jeffrey clark, you might remember that name because the former president tried to make him the attorney general during his final days in office, as part of his effort to overturn the election. joining us, now charlotte savage who shores a byline on the, story also andrew mccabe cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former deputy director, and for a, time the victim of the hunger for political payback. meaning through this, i was

thinking about how we see a lot of talk from trump about the justice department, but not just empty rhetoric because what your reporting is there are actually people working behind the scenes to formulate a plan of what this would look like, of putting this in place. >> right, well, the first thing that has to be said, even though trump is saying if he gets into office again he is going to appoint special prosecutors to go after biden and hunter biden, the family, that is already happening under attorney general merrick garland of course. there is a trump appointed u.s. attorney looking at hunter biden's financial deals, there is a trump appointed former u.s. attorney, now a special counselor looking at biden's handling of classified documents. so literally what he is promising to do is already -- he is saying this to suggest that the charges brought against him were somehow directed by biden, not evidence, and that this isn't evidence of politicization three can reverse the flow. it does not work when you recognize this is already happening. so that aside, the way seems to

be saying, is i will appoint people who actually charge my enemies regardless of the facts of the evidence. these guys are not real special counsels. that gets us into what we are talking about here, which is the post-watergate norm that the justice department is independent of white house political control, when it comes to charging decisions, investigative decisions about specific criminal cases. the president does not involve himself in that for the last 15 years, and trump is openly saying, forget it, i will tie in order to direct this investigation into my political enemies. you are right, he has people around, him his allies, who are already putting in place openly talking about, issuing papers, putting in place the intellectual framework for how this could be so. look, the law does not make the justice department independent, forget the, storm it is not the real thing. we can do this, we have the great office, people to do, it and they are openly saying they

would. >> and these are individuals who actually know how the levels of government work, and how to use them. i want you to think when you read, this because essentially what we have heard from republicans, so much is they feel like the justice department is being weaponized against, them but this is them openly saying how they would weaponize the justice department. >> exactly, kaitlan, exactly. this is their -- mr. trump and his supporters on the hill cannot finish a sentence without decrying the alleged weaponization of the department of justice. this is their promise to do exactly that. mr. trump comes back into power, it would weaponize the justice department against their political enemies. so for anyone who has had any connection to the investigations, criminal prosecutions, judicial system, this is an absolutely stomach turning concept. right? we depend in this country on the idea of a fair judicial system, in which decisions are

made about prosecutions, and ultimately indictment and charges, not around politics, but around facts. to be clear, that system is not perfect, it has many, problems it is not fast enough, it is not consistent enough. it is not fair enough to people of color, particularly, but the political is actually not one of the current problems with our system of justice. i know there are many people out there who are frustrated with the current investigations of the former president, they feel like they are in some sort of political retribution going on. there is not. i would say to those people, ask yourself, upon what facts, what single piece of information do you have to indicate the president, the former president trump and all his supporters on the hill, are actually talking about something that happened? you have not seen that. there is no information whatsoever to indicate that the white house has had any role in

the justice departments investigation, the special counsel investigation of for instance, the former presidents withholding and retention of national defense information and his obstruction of justice. that was a conclusion that was brought by a grand jury of his peers in florida, in his home state and community. so, the idea that we might temper with the independence of the rule of law, is really frightening and frustrating. >> well, as charlie, noted there is a council looking into trump, and wanted to biden as well. i think when you look at this, some people may think it is just trump talking this way, but when your should take a bigger look at the entire republican field, it is a lot of the republican candidates who are making comments like this. >> right, well, part of what is happening is -- >> one, the doj and fbi have lost all credibility with the american people, and getting

rid of just senior management is not going to be enough to fix this. this is going to take a complete overhaul, and we have to do that. to, the second thing can also be, true if this indictment is, true if what it says is actually the case, president trump was incredibly reckless with our national security. >> i should note, chris wray is the guy that trump handpicked to be the fbi director, but what do you make of the fact that it is so many republicans who are running for office saying this? >> i think the republican party has clearly been a valve-ing under trump's influence, all of this goes back to 2017 when the russia investigation was getting going, when trump was wishing it would go, way he had to get -- then he fired jim and there was this blow back, suddenly had a special counsel appointed into him, and he started making these claims that the fbi was out to get, him that this was all deep state plot as a sort of public relations defense.

the republican party which for most of its history has been the law in order, party the crime, park city how dare you attack the cia, the fbi, party. while, the democrats were the liberals worried about civil liberties and so forth, has mapped itself on to trump, the people who -- recently alienated, the never trumpers, they're being exiled from the party. the people who want to appeal to trump's base have faced him and are saying that the fbi is bad, or attracting these suspicions and voicing them in hopes of picking up the party as it exists today. so it is not just nikki haley, it is trump's number one rival, governor desantis out of florida, also saying and putting for decides that there is something right into the core about the law enforcement bureaucracy in this country, and saying as well, that he thinks very little of this idea of the justice department law

enforcement independents when it comes to investigations, and that in fact, it is all -- he said, this clearly -- he just says keep saying it is all -- the justice department is not an independent agency, the president can control it like any other agency. so that is where we are going. >> charlie savage, andrew mccabe, thank you both for joining tonight. perspective now from someone who saw how the former president operated for years in new york, former manhattan district attorney -- who i should note is now a partner at the law firm, when you read into all of this, aside from this reporting, i want to talk also about what is happening today. we got this new order from judge aileen cannon, she is -- current investigation that is facing trump after he was arraigned in miami. in this, she's talking about expediting clearances for his attorneys, what does this signal to you about what the base of the trial is going to look like? >> i think it is an indication that she wants to deal with

some of the time consuming issues up front, which i think makes a lot of sense. so i do not look at that as a delay, a result, a look at that as -- taking head on something that has to be boarded up very carefully. >> well, on the timing question, here at the arraignment on tuesday, trump's codefendant what nada did not have council with, him that the lasered by at least two weeks before he goes again have local council with him. trump himself is still looking for attorneys, so there could be more security clearances, so despite what judge cannon's intentions may be on a speedy trial, do you believe it is likely that this trial is going to get the lane? how much could it be after the 2024 election? >> i think it certainly could be after the 2024 election, i think in federal court in particular, they control -- the judges control their calendars with a tight fist, and that said, it is with some complexity, and the lawyers on

one side are going to be saying we are ready to move this as quickly as possible, the law is on the other side are going to be saying perhaps we need more time to develop defense, or develop another angle of litigation, and i think the judge is probably going to be given an opportunity to do something right down the middle. >> well, we will see what she does, do you but speaking of the judge herself, she doesn't have a lot of experience when it comes to criminal trials. use that with some complexity, there will be a lot of complexity here. also, one of the most closely watched criminal trials in u.s. history, you have concerns about her lack of experience when it comes to overseeing trials? do you think that will impact how the special counsel approaches this? >> the fact that she does not have a deep experience in criminal cases, is going to

make it a challenge for the judge. that is not to say that she is not going to dig in, that she is not going to try to fully understand by getting help from others perhaps, nothing wrong with that, the criminal procedural aspect of a case -- but, this is a very important case. her rulings are going to be critical in terms of what the outcome may be, and so i think the judge is going to have to show in her rulings that she understands the terrain that she is playing in, and if she doesn't, realize there will be critics pointing that out. >> when it comes to this, case and what he is facing in new york, obviously we have heard from the attorney general in your talking about how she believes this federal case will change the timelines for that, do you still believe that this

case, this documents investigation that he is, in the federal charges he is facing, poses a more severe legal threat to him than anything else right now? >> yes. i think unquestionably. the new york case, the hush money case, the charges with which the president has been indicted for do not carry a mandatory prison sentence. i think it is unlikely event that donald trump -- in new york would be sent to jail. the attorney general's case is a civil, case a strong, case but it is a civil case. and so, there are limitations as to what -- would be. of the three cases, clearly the documents case dealing with national security issues is the most significant. and, protects the greatest risk for the president. now two outstanding investigations that we are aware, of one in georgia, and won around january 6th. i think both those cases, depending upon what the charges ultimately are, could pose

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know has served inside the trump white house, and also testified for the house is january 6th committee. thank you both for being, here when you look at what judge cannon is ordering today which is really her first big order of this case, to get the ball rolling on these attorneys getting security clearances, obviously they need them because of -- what does it say to you though about her timeline for what this is going to look like? >> it shows that she did not fumble in -- in this case, which is that in order for this to even take place that all, in any way, you have to get lawyers, security clearances, otherwise they can't even view the evidence that their client is being accused of having mishandled. so she did set a pretty aggressive schedule having to turn things around in for five days, so it is clear that as least as of today, yes things are on track and we will see where things go from here. >> does it make it clear to you she is not going to recuse herself, it has been a question some people would have. >> this is such a preliminary

ruling and doesn't look at the specifics of the case or anything -- so it is really hard to tell now, keep your eye out for when the first -- comes, because i think the justice department certainly will be watching, -- >> what were the first big ruling be? what are you looking for to happen next? obviously it is not his first arraignment, he hasn't entered a plea yet, but what with the first reeling from her look like? >> there are a few, scheduling, and that could be relatively soon, and if she says the shot in 2025, the justice department could be alarmed. if she starts restricting the evidence, and if you reach a point, two stark evidence from mar-a-lago, and so, one that could also be -- she could still watch that. >> and she is a pretty broad overview of course of what evidence is going to be used in,

this but before we get, there trump us assembled his legal team, first and what we were told, is todd blanche and chris the two attorneys who showed up with him on tuesday, they are already in touch with doj about getting clearances. trump is still looking for another attorney to add to his team, sarah, you worked in his white house, what does it say to you that he hasn't been able to -- or hasn't announced a new attorney yet? >> i don't think it is surprising he is selling difficulty tracking down another attorney for this case. especially because, trump usually does not listen to the advice from his lawyers, as evidenced by their new reporting that came out today, his lawyers are pleading with him to cooperate, in this investigation, and to turn over the documents that could have avoided this indictment altogether. he chose not to, you instead he chose to listen to a conservative activist who told him that he had the right to keep the documents. we see now -- exactly. so, that came back to bite, him and to listen to his lawyers if

he wants to avoid any kind of conviction in this case, or anything like that, but he has proven time and time again that he does not listen to the advice of those giving him good advice. for example, you look at the election, those around him, his campaign, close advisers were advising him that he had lost. he started turning those people, out and started listening to the people feeding him what he wanted to hear, which are conspiracy theories that he actually had won the election. >> a core point here, kaitlan, national security law is not an area where you can trust your gut, or have your buddies come to represent you in court. it is a highly technical highly specific audience, forget the fact that donald trump can't find a lawyer, what he needs a somebody who understands national security. you have a lot of national defense documents and so on. that is -- should be incredibly alarming, and because, it is not -- this is not --

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miami mayor -- officially launched his 2024, did he is speaking right now and california at the reagan library. is the first major hispanic candidate to enter a republican race, and today he touted his approach to crime, his support for law enforcement, and his announcement. he has previously a critic of the former president, and this week breast to react to his indictment, and what he makes to -- on good morning america. >> i think if we continue to have a conversation about a former president, and the former president will be the nominee. i'm here to talk about why i'm running for president. >> tell me what you are thinking about the, indictment do you think it -- >> i think what it shows is that people are frustrated in this country, particularly republicans who feel they're isn't an equal administration on justice. >> with me now, democratic strategist and former strategist for bill clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, james carville, cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny, and political

analyst and axios senior contributor margaret telam. we were just talking yesterday about him getting in the race, people may be wondering why -- is this argument for getting in. >> his argument is basically turning the, page turning the page away from trump, is giving a speech right now at reagan library, told not to mention the former president of all, he did not vote for him in the 16 -- that could be an issue on the campaign trail if he's asked about, that, but he's making this generational argument that relief filling his biography, and has a good story to tell him that front. the challenges, though the race is very crowded, it is a bit, late and exactly where is the market for that in this republican party. but i think his video this morning is -- showing him running throughout the streets of miami, obviously he looks different than donald, trump he looks different than a joe biden in several ways. so trying to appeal to the new generation i guess, that is

what he, says and if you lift the hood a, bit there is some -- with democrats of, course biden is the presumed democratic nominee, and i think a lot of people that i heard were surprised at how well he is pulling. some polls have him at 20% in a recent cnn poll, axios is suggesting that could pose a problem to biden in the earliest days. what is your sense? >> there's a technical argument for why could pose a problem, biden instead -- should go first, and if there is new hampshire, iowa, then it is biden's name were not unembellished, because he said, this should be the first primary, then he couldn't become the -- it doesn't mean that he would become a nominee, for president, but it shows just the, tensions

that complications in this dispute among the states. there is a couple things to, note one is that a lot don't, know what kennedy necessary believes, in and they know the name, so there is a higher name recognition than he might otherwise. but, we had very interesting groups in north carolina this week, these are voters who were once with donald trump, then voted for joe biden, and four years later. we are still really concerned about biden's age, his appearance, and if he chips over, sandbag or stumbles, and saying things like they want to see him debate other democrats, to be confident, and for others to be confident that he actually has -- in a general election. now this isn't a perception, thing it is not a, people it is not, scientific which is qualitatively when you hear these things and start to understand why there is some interest in democratic -- it doesn't mean they don't want biden, that means they want to see biden pressure tested in

the primary. >> on that note,, james there is a poll that says 80% of democrats would actually like to see some of those democratic debates. i wonder what you make of that? >> well, he has some critical conversations to make, and the -- >> i think we are having a bit of trouble with his audio. we will check on that. -- go ahead, we can hear you now. . all right, we will check back on his connection of course. there is that poll that shows, that the chances of biden debating his challenger, it seems pretty slim. >> slim to none, why would he? the reality is, the white house is relieved that there is not a challenge from the left. that is the biggest issue if there was a progressive challenge. perhaps the biggest issue for them is going out west, making the decision to become a green

party candidate. a lot of democrats will remember -- from wisconsin, and pennsylvania, her margin in those states was more than the margin of what trump won by. so, that is an issue for them. we will not see the president debate other democratic candidates, it would be silly of the white house regardless of what voters say. that would be -- >> i think we have dreams back with us, now we can hear him, obviously i would love to get your take on all of this. >> well, the biden white house says -- particularly in new hampshire. new hampshire will go first, -- . kennedy or somebody else could get -- and, you know, the committee name still means something to folks in south carolina.

>> yeah, what is your view of how -- what is your view of how -- the arraignment we have seen, the arraignment we have seen this, week how that plays out in their playbook and field? that is the only thing, we talk about how big this field, is the only thing getting asked about is the former presidents legal problems. >> well, how can you not? again, the idea that i think pence and desantis and nikki haley are coming across is they are waiting to pounce. the guy has these minor strategy at the republican of saying, you know, his party is clear that governor adjacent and -- even if trump gets knocked down by legal reasons, or something like that, still who's republican voters who stood by him, and there is some difficult positioning going on on that side. he is still a looming --

you will talk, about him i will talk, about him we will all talk about him for time to come. >> do you think it will hurt republican candidates who say they would not pardon him if he gets convicted? >> it will hurt them would a large part of the republican base yes. unless there is something -- intervening and hasn't shaken his core, republicans court, then you wonder -- woman out of d.c., jack smith, the new york trial, that is in march. but, it looks like this report is pretty unshakable, and you could see other candidates because they will be mad that they are turning their backs on trump, even if trump ends up not being a candidate. >> we will have to see what that looks, like thanks to all of you for joining us, up next a big question, where is the

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>> several supporters that the former president trump are responding to his indictment by asking why he is being charged, but hunter biden isn't.

this week, house oversight chairman james comer even claimed that they are looking at whether or not president biden, quote, sold out the united states and allegedly ran a bribery scheme when he was vice president with his son hunter, and a four national. also this, week republican senator chuck grassley alleges the foreign national head, quote, dozens of recordings that conversations with the bidens, but now not so much. >> i just know they exist, because of what the report, says now maybe they don't exist. but, how will i know until the fbi tells us our worth. >> i don't know if they are legit or, not but we know the -- claims he has them >> this could be coming from a very corrupt oligarch who could be making this up. >> more on this now from cnn's sara murray. >> so, sarah, what is senator grassley actually claiming here? >> well he is basically saying

there was a for national who is involved in this alleged bribery scheme with joe biden while he was vice president, who has audio recording, 17 audio recordings with joe biden, and hunter biden, and this is all documented in an internal document. he wants to know what the fbi has done to investigate this. but what is interesting, is a number of his republican colleagues has sort of been pumping the brakes on this. we heard from james comey, the house oversight chairman saying, we don't really know if these tapes are legitimate, we heard from senator ron johnson, saying we haven't even verified if these tapes exist, and sort of pull support on the water on whether you can trust the foreign nationals account. and, we do know the fbi and prosecutors did look into the allegations, including this fbi document, and were unable to corroborate the claims. >> yeah, trump's attorney general bill barr has said as much. despite the fact that we are hearing while it is not, verified they don't know that they actually exist, we are

already seeing republicans use this to talk about saying, essentially, this came out and trump was indicted on the same day that a lot of this information was circulating last week, basically telling them together even though they don't know if this is legitimate. >> yes, it seems to be some kind of you know, notion that the justice department and jack smith move ahead with this trump indictment, to try and overshadow these stories about joe biden. you ask democrats, they think the opposite, they're saying the only reason we are hearing all the stuff from republicans about the biden family, and all of these unverified allegations about the biden family, is because they want to take the attention off of what is going on with donald trump and his legal problems. suffice to, say there is no evidence to back up the fact that jack smith decided to move ahead with this indictment, that you, know in a case he has been working on for months and months, to try and overshadow, again, these unveil fight allegations against bidens. >> no, but certainly something that the former president is

using to -- sara murray, thank you. >> our thanks to sarah murray for that conversation earlier tonight, joining us now is tennessee republican congressman -- who is part of a faction in his party which has been at odds with house speaker kevin mccarthy this week. congressman, we will get to the comments in a moment, i know you want to talk about, that but first, you are part of this group of these conservative hard-liners who basically brought all of action to a halt over the last, week because of this deal that kept mccarthy with the white house on the nation's debt limit. what commitments did he make this week in exchange for ending that impasse? >> well, speaker mccarthy did the right thing, he got us all in a room, something i had suggested, and to hear everybody out, so he knew what our thoughts were. we would sit, in he would send somebody over to see us back and forth, and always something lost in the translation. i suggested to the speaker, that he get us all in the, room

and really i think he just committed to, us he would forge ahead with the conservative fiscally conservative agenda. and, he gave us his word that he would work with us, and keep us in the loop, and i think that is the key thing. he showed with all different factions of the, party and it is a lot of moving parts. >> so were those the only commitments he, made just that he would make sure he is part of the conversation next time? >> yes, ma'am, i think it was basically more of that than it was anything physical. of course, there is specifics, we are upset that the bill -- we will end up with additional four trillion dollars in debt, in less than ten, years at the largest portion of our budget will be interest on our loans. the largest portion of interest shoveling money out into the air. so, i think we are moving ahead with more of a fiscally sound,

and you saw what the chairman of the appropriations that this, year this week about their agenda in the future as far as the appropriations, and going through the budgetary process. >> yeah, those meetings are typically very, fiery but they were very fiery this, week and as you note, fighting for government funding as far from over, and what the spending demands are we are seeing from the, house republicans in the, house are not going to go well as you know. the democratic-controlled senate, do you think there would be a government shutdown last fall? >> well, my friend hakeem jeffries, he is my, friend here's a democrat, leader he is doing what he is supposed to be doing. he is representing the democratic faction of, frankly the far left in the party. it is always ironic to me that when the republicans were in the minority, and we were trying to get something at the agenda, where we were call obstructionists. now, we are in the majority, and we are trying to do the will of our constituents. here we are back again --

because we low hilt if very liberal chuck schumer who obviously doesn't represent sure doesn't represent the second congressional district of tennessee, and i dare say he represent the majority of this country and his thoughts and beliefs and fiscal responsibility. >> well he is the majority leader, republicans obviously do not control of the house. separately, on another, note you said this, you couldn't see yourself supporting president trump if he gets convicted in the documents case. if he is convicted, do you think you should pull out of the republican race? >> i suspect his numbers will, surge ma'am, to be honest with you. as you probably have done your research, i believe i'm the only congressional member from tennessee who has not endorsed the president, i'm just not a big believer in endorsements, and believe you don't pick up, friends just enemies. i've never searched for endorsements, nor given them freely myself. so, i really don't know what the and game will be. i know it is more clickbait, i

know it is more people on their cell phones getting more emails, and raising more money. and, they attempted to censor adam schiff yesterday, and it, failed and i think he raised over 1 million dollars overnight. so, all we did to adam schiff was just probably elect him to the u.s. senate. but i suspect that is -- this case mom. >> well, the former president has already raised about $7 million, but when you read through that indictment and you see how he handled some of this nation's most sensitive military secrets, do you think that is someone who is fit to be the republican candidate for president of the united states? >> well, i have said on a lot of those secure briefings, and i remember my first, one i leaned over to an old democrat, and i said, let me get the, straight i said when i walk out, of here i will probably see all the security information on cnn, and about 30 minutes, and he said it will be about 15 minutes.

so, washington's rape, or so dare say anything left in their -- >> very secure -- >> but you know, you know, honestly, we could look at when joe biden was senator, and he had confidential stuff which he was not supposed to have in his own possession, -- >> but he returned those documents. he returned those documents when they realized they had them. despite getting a subpoena, the fbi showed, up and then found those documents that were still at mar-a-lago. >> i don't know anything about, that but i do know that secret service had secured mar-a-lago regardless, regardless of the, bathroom or -- >> they didn't even know these documents were, there they were not in charge of these documents themselves. >> i can assure, you if someone was in there taking stuff out, or going in and taken, pictures they would have known. i know the secret service, and they are a pretty fine-tuned group of folks, and they

understand what is going on. >> actually, the indictment, if you read in the indictment, the -- where they were kept, they pull out, mar-a-lago there was a pool that was often left, open and people could essentially come and go through that hallway. >> does that sound secure to you? >> i cannot speak to that. well, is it the truth, do i know it is the truth? i do not know. that is why we have a court of law. you don't go to jail over indictments, or accusations, you have a court of law, that is what we are going to hear. i am sure you all will be covering it and -- >> we will be covering, of, course it is maybe the most important criminal trial. do you believe the charges, though trump kind of brought on himself given he had these documents, and refused to turn them over when the government so clearly wanted them back? >> he is donald, trump is going to do what he wants to, do and that is his m o. that is why people like, him because they are sick of, washington they are sick of the

same old stuff over and over again. and, frankly, is a breath of fresh air when it comes to that. when he says i want to drain the swamp, it is not code, it is -- >> how is that related to mishandling national security secrets? >> i don't know that he, did ma'am, that is why we are obviously going to have a trial. that is why he was indicted. but as you well know, you can indict as many lawyers, you can indict a ham sandwich, but you still have a system of judge and jury in this country, and it is -- as cnn, it will be decided in the court of law. >> he is innocent until -- proven -- >> he is innocent until proven guilty. >> prior to this, you attack the judge, because he is -- she is a trump appointee. but if she had been a biden appointee, you would have been okay with it. so, obviously throwing now out

-- >> i don't think pointing out that -- >> in your prior report, ma'am, you threw upon her saying she is a trump appointee, why would you say that unless you had doubt about her, and you are creating the doubt in the mind of the public? >> i have no doubt about her, but she is a trump appointee, and the reason she is gotten scrutiny with all due respect, congressman, is because of the ruling from, lustful rulings that i should note were overturned by an appeals, court because they said she was simply wrong, she was giving preferential treatment to trump, because he is the former president and not treating him like when -- you or me. >> i can assure, you if she was a biden appointee, and she was overturned by a higher court that was a -- she has a right to adjudicate as she sees fit.

and, she obviously is going to do, that and that will of course draw the eye or, if they don't throw trump in jail for 20 years obviously. >> congressman, that is not, fair just to report on simply what she has been, doing how she has ruled, looking at what charles showed overseen when she's about to oversee one of the biggest criminal trials in this country's history, it is not attacking our. it is simply looking at her record. that is just reporting. >> do you all ever, do y'all making note of the president a one bomber appointee, was a good carter, appointee a bush appointee -- >> absolutely. >> no, you don't. you do not. why don't you talk about her law school. why don't you talk about her credentials. >> she went to michigan, i have looked at her credentials. >> well this is the first i've heard about that. why don't y'all talk about things like that? when you talk that she is a hardworking person, who put

herself through school? no, you immediately say she is a trump appointee. so you create doubt, ma'am. come on, you are, cnn we know that. it is the game we all play. >> that is an unfair attack, we are just noting her credentials, who appointed her. it is notable she is a trump appointee, trump's own legal team in his orbit would say that. they are thrilled she's going to be the judge overseeing this case. we will have to leave it, there congressman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, ma'am, it has been a pleasure. >> up next, why the controversial pga live tort merger may be delayed, and even end up in the bunker. but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody.

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looking at this as well. what is your sense? >> yeah, i don't think we will have a resolution or anything for at least a, year i think the pga tour will kind of continue on a path for 2020, for live golf will continue on his path for 2024, and we know that the united states senate is not known for its -- for many years to, come it is cotton litigation already, and there is a -- defense we're always going to get involved in a merger, when a business deal of this big with applications, so i don't think this is going to end anytime soon. >> yeah, and it certainly does have a lot of ramifications. and, and los angeles country club, what is the reaction you're been hearing from golfers? we talk to bryce last, week what is saying about not only the investigations, but just overall? >> yes, i think there is a bit of bitterness, or jealousy that they learn in all negotiations

which is different from thinking it is a bad view. i think a lot of these players put a lot time and effort in her last year into trying to play a role, having meetings and trying to reshape the pga tour, than it when it came time to actually make a deal, it was three gentleman in a room representing the pga tour, none of which were players. so, from talking to guys the reaction that i get, it is almost -- it is relief. we put in on this, effort to put in all the, time now we know that it didn't really matter. so, we will get back to playing golf, what is going to happen is gonna, happen whether we want to or not. so i think they don't have as much power as they would want. >> yeah, i mean, especially for the pga players who were told, did not accept these deals, you want to be able to play in the pga, what are you hearing from them? >> yes, they need to be made, right but it is a tricky situation. how are you going to do that? is that money going to come from -- is that money going to come from fines from the guys who did go? there are a lot of players, basically every topic with