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documents. >> it's just complete political spin on trump's part. >> i want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. >> clearly doesn't have an answer for this. i would be very concerned if i were part of his legal team. >> reporter: republican officials in kansas are on alert after at least 100 letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent to state lawmakers and public officials. >> the message reads, it is important not to choke on your ambition. >> so far they found no biological agents of concern. >> it was quite terrifying. this is the stuff that you ultimately see in movies. russia is launching new air attacks across ukraine targeting the capital kyiv. >> this as russia has heavily mined the front lines and is sending more reservists into battle. >> underscoring just how difficult ukraine's counter offensive is proving to be. >> this is going to be a long fight. americans celebrating juneteenth all across the country.
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>> i just can't believe we have a federal holiday finally recognizing the end of our enslavement. >> we've come a long way, but we have a long way to go. >> if people can be taught to hate, they can be taught to love. and it's up to us to do it. good morning, everyone. we're glad you're with us. we'll get to that and juneteenth. it's only been a federal holiday for two years now and what yesterday meant. >> and there was a big concert on cnn last night. >> that's right. >> a little bit of that throughout the show. listen, right now, though, the race is on to find a submersible that vanished while diving on "the titanic" shipwreck. five people were onboard. the u.s. and canadian coast guards have launched an all-out search with planes and ships and buoys equipped with sonar. it is about 13,000 feet deep in that area. as of yesterday afternoon officials estimated the passengers might have had somewhere between 70 and 96 hours worth of air left if the
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sub is still intact. now this was a sightseeing expedition that costs a quarter million dollars a person. the passengers included a british billionaire explorer, a pakistani businessman and his son. there are also reports by the cbc and ctv news in canada that a famous french diver and "titanic" expert was also on the sub. these are some of the last images of the submersible as it began its descent on sunday morning. the deepest-ever underwater rescue was less than 2,000 feet. this could be unprecedented if operation -- if the coast guard finds that sub. that context, that comparison, the deepest was 2,000. this could be as much as 13,000. what have you learned overnight? >> reporter: you can tell that search and rescue crews are dealing with a number of
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challenges. the boston coast guard basically says they're searching in an area that's extremely remote. they've reached out to experts in the field of deep sea exploration, and they also realize at this point time is not on their side. >> we're doing everything we can do to locate the submersible and rescue those onboard. >> reporter: search and rescue teams from the united states and canada working around the clock to locate a lost submersible with five people onboard. search planes have been scanning the ocean's surface, sonar buoys deployed to try to detect any sound from the missile vessel. >> the location of the search is approximately 900 miles east of cape cod in a water depth of roughly 13,000 feet. >> reporter: according to the coast guard the submersible lost communication with its mothership, "the polar prince,"
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less than two hours into its descent sunday morning as it ventured toward the wreckage of "the titanic." the company that operates on voyages to "the titanic" oceangate expeditions, releasing this statement. our entire focus is on the well-being of the crew and every step possible is being taken to bring the five crew members back safely. onboard businessman hamish harding, no stranger to adventure. >> i've always wanted to do this. >> reporter: recently he was a passenger on blue origin's june 2022 space flight. on saturday he posted on his facebook page, i am proud to finally announce that i joined oceangate expeditions for their rms "titanic" mission as a mission specialist on the sub going down to "the titanic." onboard pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman dawood.
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his family issued a statement saying we are grateful for the concern and would like to request everyone to pray for their safety. according to oceangate expeditions' website the 21-foot, 23,000-pound submersible made of carbon fiber and titanium has up to 96 hours, four days, of oxygen for five people. larry daly, a "titanic" expert, has been inside the vessel. >> i was in the sub for 12 hours. we have our own breathing system onboard. if that's maintained properly like changing your filter on your co2 scrubber, you can stay down for quite a few hours. >> reporter: in an interview last year oceangate expeditions ceo touting the submersible's safety. >> everything else can fail. your thrusters can go, your lights can go. you're still going to be safe. >> reporter: and also, there is some sort of an early warning detection system onboard that's
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supposed to alert the pilot in case something goes wrong. also onboard, a system in place to help the vessel resurface, again, if something goes wrong. again, at this point, it's just unclear, victor and poppy, what exactly went wrong with this vessel. back to you. >> jason carroll reporting for us. thank you, jason. for more on this let's bring in deep sea explorer and oceanographer, the senior adviser at rms titanic. look, you've done this type of work for the better part of four decades. how likely is it they will find this submersible in time before the oxygen runs out? >> well, certainly -- hi, poppy. certainly time is against us at this point, and the only thing we can say it that everything that can be done is being done and that includes the coast guard at the surface, listening
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beneath the surface, and assembled some of the best robotics people with robots and ships to respond right away if they do find that submarine. >> david, we have the pictures of the submarine in this pretty blue water. it is beautiful. when we're talking 13,000 feet down, give our viewers the reality of what it actually looks like down there. >> it's a whole different world, victor. normally a dive you begin on the surface in a light blue, pretty color blue that we're familiar with. it takes two and a half hours to get to the bottom roughly. and you start to drift down slowly through that water column. you leave the blue behind. it gets medium blue, deep blue, dark blue and then black for about two hours. and this is a place it's been eternally cold and pressure is building. so when you land, you're landing, as i said, almost in a very unfamiliar world where all sorts of different kinds of creatures live and there's
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different kinds of landscapes. >> i was struck, david, by this part of the cbs "sunday morning" report last year. i want you to listen to one part of this. >> reporter: there's no gps under water, so the surface ship is supposed to guide the sub to the shipwreck by sending text messages. >> turn 30 degrees right. >> probably 30 degrees. >> reporter: but on this dive, communication somehow broke down. the sub never found the wreck. >> we were lost. we were lost for two and a half hours. >> reporter: rush says he'll offer the passengers a free do-over next year. >> if they got lost and there's no gps, how do you find this now? >> well, the thing about that, that does happen. it's unfortunate that it happened with david polk, and there's been no communication with the sub. even if you're lost, there's
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usually communications back and forth with the sub. you just don't know exactly where you are and you hope the surface can tell you. so really it's, in a way, looking actively, listening a bit but looking actively with sonars, a bit with cameras to see if they can locate the sub. and the problem begins with the last known position, where the sub was last heard. >> let's put up the graphic again showing just how deep the water is at the wreck site of "the titanic" and in comparison you see some of the iconic buildings across the country, you see the height of, i believe that's the empire state building. david, my question to you, grand canyon as well, we first met you, our first conversation was during mh-370 when that disappeared, and i was surprised by how little we know about how much of the ocean, because "the titanic" wreck is there, are we familiar with this part of the
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north atlantic that we know the depths, we know what is there? >> we know it probably better than most places because we've been there, but we're still learning things about it, about the currents that sweep through there like under water, almost like a wind that blows beneath the water except it's water, from different quadrants and from the north and the east, we're learning about that. learning about the animals that live in that spot. we know it better but there's no guarantees and there are always surprises. >> you're a deep sea explorer so you have a unique perspective and vantage we don't. can you speak to the mental toll of being in that small space with those people who obviously know now that something wept terribly wrong? >> poppy, i can't imagine, and the entire community -- a colleague of mine, my closest
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colleague and one of the best at this, searching, is onboard that expedition. something we always think about as explorers and scientist that is go to the deep, and we've always known something like this could happen and now it's happened. we're still pretty much in shock, the community is. i hope it has a good ending. >> we all do. david gallo, thank you very much. >> thank you, david. special counsel jack smith just scored a win in court. what does this mean for former president donald trump ? and "the washington post" reports the fbi resisted launching a probe of trump's role in the january 6th insurrection for more than a year. why the bureau held back. that's coming up. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. ♪ fastsigns. make your statement.
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maybe he was sorting through them. he said he had golf shirts there. he said he was too busy to look through all it have to separate his personal records. in that interview with fox news' bret baier he maintained his innocence. he was also asked about a key allegation in the indictment. >> you then tell this aid to move to other locations after telling lawyers to say you fully complied when you hadn't. >> i have to take my things out. these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things, golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes. there were many things. >> along with war plans? >> not that i know. >> joining us now stacy richmond, national correspondent for "the washington post," and political analyst and anchor john avalon.
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all of these lies and shifting explanations politically mean one thing, but post indictment, what's the role in the case? >> well, the concern that you have is each day he's creating new evidence. when the government eventually turns over all of the statements, each one of these new statements will be included. he is making the case harder and harder for his counsel because the counsel may have a theory of how to proceed and trump is constantly shifting because he's constantly throws out a new theory. this is a very dangerous situation. he is not a good client because he needs to follow the direction of counsel. >> he is not a good client, quote stacey richman. >> one should remain silent in this situation, review the evidence, figure out what the positions are and confer with counsel. conferring with the world is not the optimal role of the defendant. >> bret baier did, i think, a very important job of fact checking him in real time in that interview on a lot of different points, also making
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some news here. let's listen to something else trump said. this was about the bedminster search and the indictment trump waved this classified document around he said was by general milley that milley said was not by him about iran and any potential attack. here is that exchange. >> there was no document. that was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about iran and other things, and it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. i didn't have any document per se. there was nothing to declassify -- these were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles. >> i'm just saying what the indictment says. the recording and the people in the room who testified -- >> people are very dishonest people. they're thugs. >> speak to what the indictment does actually say, because it quotes the former president on tape in his own words saying they're classified. >> you're right. we have this tape. essentially what happened is in june 2021, i believe it was,
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trump was sitting down to be interviewed by people writing an autobiography and he has this conversation. our understanding it was someone on his side recording it. he wanted to be sure he was quoted correctly. as such you have to imagine the scenario. it's not just that he's sitting here saying it's newspaper articles. it is, a, there is the recording which, of course, will be presented in a court of law, but he's sitting across the table from people, people in the room with him both on his staff and these authors, all of whom -- at least one of whom will be called to testify and will sit on the stand and say under oath here is what happened. here is what he had in his hand. here is what that recording means. the odds are good they're going to contradict what he presented there. he's not making the case, the legal case. he understands his fight is a political fight if he gets elected president again, all this goes away. that's what he's fighting. >> the people in the room may contradict him but there's nothing to say trump won't contradict himself in a week or two. >> no, as a matter of fact, put
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money on that. he almost certainly will. he keeps trying out different lies and different contexts because that's what he does all the time. what he does in that interview is a man unspooling, desperately trying to play defense against what i think he still thought would be a friendly interview but was fact checking him in real time. he just clings to his lies like linus with the blanket. it's all he's got. the con man looks increasingly pathetic when he does that because it's contradicted by every established fact. >> john, let's switch gears because i really want your take on -- i think this is pretty stunning from "the washington post" reporting overnight that the justice department senior officials there and at the fbi resisted requests for about a year to really probe former president trump and his allies' actions in the days leading up to and on january 6. and what is striking about this is part of the reason why, according to "the post" was
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because of their, quote, wariness about appearing partisan. >> yeah. it is so old school and it's a reminder that in some ways we've been having an unfair fight over the course of the trump administration and its aftermath. it's been sort of a boy scout versus somebody who doesn't play by any rules. and in this case you see the fbi being reticent to get involved in the investigation because they're concerned about the appearance of being political. they're trying to hold themselves above the fray. >> they've been called the deep state. >> and everything else. people who care about perceptions, the damage of people who don't care about those guardrails. >> fascinating reporting from your colleagues at "the post," philip. they wanted to work this like a mob case, start at the bottom and see if there's a way up.
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increasingly they saw there was no ladder that would take them right to the top and frustration throughout the department sometimes trying not to appear political or partisan means you're not really doing the job. >> yeah. look. this is an incredibly complicated thing occurring in a unique scenario. when we're talking specifically at that time, at the very beginning of the biden administration, primarily about the capitol riot. we're not necessarily talking about things like the elector scheme, the pressure on the justice department, in part because the full details weren't known that. a lot emerged from the house select committee's work. at the outset you are trying to figure out, okay, how much can we actually charge trump criminally with responsibility for what occurred at the capitol? for outsiders it's easy to say this would not have happened without donald trump. that's different as we all are aware. there certainly is some of it, okay, we don't necessarily have an open-and-shut case here. as months progress it becomes more clear the scale of what
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he's trying to do, still trying to figure it out, and then this documents case which is, you know, spelled out. cobbled together in legos, this thing you can seize. very different than the capitol riot case. they move forward on this one and that's what we've got. >> what's the significance of the magistrate judge signing off on this order jack smith requested saying to defendant trump, you cannot show any of this discovery material to the media. you can't show it to your allies. it just seems like that would be an obvious thing for a defendant not to do but he felt an order was necessary here. >> it's not uncommon in many cases. the fact everyone is seizing upon, oh, my god, the court has issued this order to trump. counsel conferred before hand and all counsel agreed. it would be issued regardless. i have many cases both state and federal, like it was issued in the state case in new york as
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well, this type of protective order. it's a little bit, again, as the gentlemen have said, a unique situation. we have this prosecution in the midst of a political campaign and so of course they don't want things used improperly. everything is for the case. i have a very different rule than all of you who are commenting and quarterbacking and seeing what people are saying. part of my job as a criminal defense attorney and his counsel will be is to look at the evidence, look what the government is presenting, and assert the defense. so our world is confined. and the concept of what the jury is supposed to see is within the confines of the evidence presented therein. all of this extra commentary is not to infect the jury but, of course, here we all are. >> and we should expect there will be more extra commentary, as you put it. john, philip, stacey, thank you all. >> thank you. new overnight, ukraine says russia launched another massive air attack on kyiv saying that
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welcome back. we're getting new details this morning about the desperate search for that submersible that disappeared during a sightseeing expedition to "the titanic" shipwreck. cnn has confirmed the french submariner paul henry is onboard. other passengers include a british explorer and a pakistani businessman and his son. the coast guard said the passengers may have had about 70 to 96 hours worth of oxygen onboard if that sub were still intact. these are the last images on sunday morning as it began its descent with five people onboard. the ocean is about 13,000 feet deep at the site. the u.s. and canadian coast guards using ships with buoys
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900 miles east of cape cod. the u.s. coast guard commander overseeing this search rear admiral just spoke. here is what he said. >> we have a p-3 aircraft from the canadian armed forces that's been flying during the last 24 hours and dropping sonar buoys listening to sounds. now that we have the capability to listen with their sonar and so if they are making sound that is certainly one of the ways we'll use to locate. >> we will be joined by the coast guard john mauger overseeing all of these search and rescue operations. ukraine says russia launched another massive air attack on kyiv using iranian drones. this comes two weeks into ukraine's counter offensive against russia.
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president zelenskyy says his troops have not lost any positions so far. a senior ukrainian official says kyiv has recaptured eight southern settlements in the last few weeks, but, still, the offensive operations have not yet gained the momentum some were anticipating. cnn military analyst and retired colonel cedric leighton is with us. let's start with framing the conversation and analyzing the effectiveness of the counter offensive at this point. can this analysis be as simple as succeeding/failing just a couple weeks in? >> not really, victor. good morning to you. the real thing about this, there is so much going on here that it's really hard to determine exactly who is winning and who is losing. when you take a look at historical comparisons like d-day in 1944 it took a long time for allied forces to actually go through all of france, to actually conquer and
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reconquer that territory so the ukrainians have done pretty well in the last few weeks because what they've been able to do is not only capture these eight settlements you talked about right here but they've also been able to expand their operations. and as president zelenskyy mentioned they have not lost any territory to the russians and that's in spite of some of the russians' ability to move aircraft and artillery into areas into really take a large piece of this front and turn it into an artillery zone, a free fire zone, if you will, for them. >> i want to pull that thread more about the russian preparation. what do you know about and what is your assessment of their readiness for this search? >> so this is really interesting. when you look at some of the different aspects of this, victor, let's compare things, first of all, with what things were like back last year when ukraine very quickly captured
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this area around kharkiv, captured around 3,400 square miles. they're not doing that right now. one of the reasons they really can't do that is because of the trenches and these things called dragons teeth the russians have put in. this is an example of that. what these things are doing is they're preventing tanks from moving forward in these areas and, plus, what they also do is they force an advance only along these paths right here and that, of course, can be blocked off. the russians are far readier than they were before to control these areas. that makes it very difficult for the ukrainians to move forward in these cases. >> i know that you're concerned about some demographic challenges and maybe changes in ukraine that could make it difficult for them to continue to defend. explain that. >> so, yes, that's a really good
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point, victor, because when ukraine gained its independence back in august of 1991 from the soviet union, it had a population of 52 million people. right now it's somewhere around 43 plus million not including movements by refugees out of ukraine, internally displaced people. what this means is they have a far fewer population pool to pull from, far less of a pool to pull from back when they gained independence making it more difficult in some ways for them to really put their defensive forces together. they can obviously do it but they have a big demographic challenge that is greater than russia's demographic challenge. >> what are you waiting for in the near term to know about trends when this is going? >> so let's take a look at the eastern front, one of the key things i'm looking for, victor, what will happen around bakhmut. this area here has really been the scene of so many different
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battles that have taken place over the last nine, ten months. it looks like the ukrainians are able to gain some of these areas back. and if they can do that here, and then if you can see what's happening down here in the kherson area, the zaporizhzhia area, the ukrainians possibly coming in this way and this way. one of the key things to actually look at is when you look at those areas plus the eight settlements right here that they've been able to capture in these particular areas. you're looking at the ukrainians possibly being able to move to this body of water right here, the sea of azov. if they can cut this land bridge, they will have inflicted at least a tactical defeat on the russians. if they can do that, this counter offensive will basically be a partial success. >> all right, colonel cedric leighton, thank you so much, sir. >> you bet, victor.
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authorities are on alert this morning after about 100 threatening letters with a white powder inside were sent to state legislators and public officials across the state of kansas. preliminary tests show that substance is harmless, still incredibly scary. stephen owens said he received one of the letters and believes the other recipients are also fellow republicans. the letter to him read in part, quote, it's important not to choke on your ambition, closed quote, signed your secret despirer. do i have that right about who signed it? >> yes, you certainly do. as i understand more than 100 letters have been sent to republican legislators throughout the state of kansas. >> what did you think when you opened it? >> well, the first i was very
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much caught off guard by the note, by its context because it was very cryptic in that they used a local address to ensure that we as legislators believe that it came from a local constituent and then certainly opened it. >> so these letters were sent to republicans across the state. do you know specifically if it's legislation centered, if it is ideologically centered? why do you think you received one? >> well, you know, if you look at this letter it says to honor your recent accomplishments, so it is my personal belief that this probably has to do with some of the veto overrides that occurred in the kansas legislature this year where a super majority republican, the house and the senate, though we have a democrat governor, some differences of opinion. >> so let's dig into that little bit more if we could. this year you mentioned the veto
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overrides, the state legislature has overtoured nine of the democratic governor laura kelly's vetoes. some have focused on transgender rights has been the subject of a few of those pieces of legislation. you have said, quote, there's a question whether maybe it's related to some of those vetoes we overrode. do you have any direct indication other than what that letter says? >> no, definitely no direct indication, but kansas was the first in the nation to legally define what a man and a woman is biologically for the state statutes that currently are on the books. and so sometimes being the first and doing what our constituents sent us to topeka to do could potentially lead to things like this. >> the initial test of the powder that was included in the envelope have determined it's not harmful. do you have greater concerns for your safety now that you know you're one of this group that's been targeted by the letter?
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>> you know, personally i do not. certainly concern for other members of the legislature, our families. if you really think about the implications had this been biological. i have colleagues that open their mail at their table at home. i happened to be at my truck at a stop sign when i opened this. it certainly is concerning, and we will certainly be more vigilant, but it does nothing to deter doing what our constituents sent us to topeka to do. >> representative, we know the fbi is involved now. 100 letters is really scary. have you gotten any update from the feds or local authorities in terms of do they think this is one person sending them? is it more? is it in state? is it out of state? >> we haven't received any specific information like that. i know it's an ongoing investigation. our kbi director is doing a fantastic job leading local, state and federal law
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enforcement as they attempt to identify whoever this is or whomever, could be multiple. i do know a post mark, while it had a local address, in my case, because i live in heston, the post mark was out of kansas city. i'm confident in their ability to locate and apprehend the individual. >> representative owens, it sounds like, although this was shocking, that it doesn't change much for you. do i have that right? >> that is 100% correct. it doesn't change anything for myself, my colleagues, or our determination to do what we believe is best for the state of kansas. we are even more resolved, and i think it's important for anyone out there that considers anything like this, threats or threats of violence, to realize that does not change someone's political opinion. as a matter of fact it makes them dig their heels in deeper and have stronger resolve to continue forward and do the things that our constituents sent us there to do. >> representative stephen owens,
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please keep us posted. thanks for your time this morning. >> thank you very much. new overnight cnn affiliate wabc is reporting that four people have been killed after a fire broke out at a new york city bike shop. at least two others are critically injured. the flames erupted just after midnight on manhattan's lower east side. firefighters pulled several people out of the building just above an e-bike shop as heavy gulf smoked the area. when an e-bike catches fire it's not a slow burn but more of an explosion and difficult to put out because of the lithium ion batteries used. >> very scary. also scary moments for people in the air. passengers on a flight from the philippines to south korea were onboard when a man tried to open a plane door while they were still flying. officials say this happened an hour into the trip when the man was behaving strangely. flight attendants moved him to a seat near the door so they could keep an eye on him, and that's
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it's everywhere. i am well aware of mine. what are doctors saying is wrong with it? >> probably we should know our bmi so well. >> should or should not? >> should not. it's the increasing push to stop using as the only mer ushe. if you look at the history, this was come up with in 1832 by a belgian mathematician trying to characterize the average man. in the 1970s it was validated as a measure of fat across the population. that was done in men. so this is a measure that really looks at the population level, not the individual level. the american medical association is out with a recommendation to try to move beyond this. the problem is that this is really used everywhere, not just
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as a screener or bowbesity, but a gatekeeper for loss drugs and can come into play in life insurance rates. and when you have these differences across groups, racial groups, age groups, sexes, that can actually play into some discrimination where if you are only looking at bmi you may not be actually assessing people's health risk. >> especially when your insurance rate is going to be. is there a recommendation from the ama on what doctors should use instead? >> there is not one perfect measure of body fat. they recommend different things. one is visceral fat, the fat around the middle that could be more dangerous than fat on hips or thighs. also waist circumference, another way of kind of looking at that. what's really important is risk for metabolic syndrome, high blood pressure, diabetes. they say bmi can be helpful to look tore those things. we should not be depending on it as the sole important indicator of our health. >> best story of the day, meg.
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so glad you are with us on this tuesday. i am happy to have my friend vkter blackwell with us. >> happy to be here. >> what a morning. >> a lot going on. >> what a morning. a desperate search for a submersible that as diving on titanic shipwreck. new information about five people onboard, including a famous french diver. donald trump offering up a new defense why he didn't turn over the classified documents. he says he was too busy to go through the boxes. french police raided the headquarters of the paris 2024 organizing committee. we will tell you why. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. search and rescue teams are racing against time now to find a submersible that vanished while diving on the titanic shipwreck. these are some of the last images of the sub as descended with five people onboard sunday
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morning. the u.s. coast guard says the passengers would have about four days' worth of air. >> the ocean is around 13,000 feet deep at this site. the u.s. and the canadian coast guards have been using planes and ships and buoys with sonar to search for any signs of submersible. the commander overseeing the operation says they have scoured an area roughly the size of connecticut. they did that overnight. this was a tourist sightseeing expedition that cost a quarter million dollars a seat. it included a british explorer, a pakistani businessman and the family of a french diver was also on the submersible. joining us on the phone is the rear admiral john mauger overseeing the search and rescue operations. thank you very much for being with us. at this moment are you hopeful, are you optimistic that these five people will be found alive and you will be able to brin
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