here, south of zaporizhzhia. so it's becoming more complicated. what we did see is there are western weapons there with a mortar under firing a brand-new american mortar rounds, and they were happy with the weaponry. they said it's great, amazing, very accurate, but they still don't have the critical mass, when they launched this offensive earlier this month. >> the russians also had months to prepare for this counter-offensive. ben wedeman, thank you very much. thank you very much for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts

now. not giving up. crews frantically searching for the missing submersible. they're desperately trying to rescue the five human beings before they run out of the oxygen. i will speak to a person who has been on the missing submersible before. and i'll speak with a man who says there is hope tonight. anti-vaxxers stalking and harassing one of the top vaccine experts after he criticized rfk engineer's crusade. let's got outfront. good evening. holding out hope. underwear noises detected in the search area for the missing "titanic" bound sub is raising the possibility they are still alive. time is running out.

there could be hours left. the coast guard estimated this time last night, the sub had about 34 hours of beliefable air left. >> if there's still life support available on the submersible, and we will continue to hold out hope until the very end. >> the massive search, if successful would be the deepers underwater rescue is using buoys that they dropped into the water. they have been described as banging noises, and it's that description that makes people think, well, human beings perhaps are making them, desperately trying to senate where they are. also tonight, the state of the art robot i'm showing here, which is capable of operating more than 12,000 feet below sea level, is also expected to arrive. it's called the victor 6000. if you rescue the subat this point, if you find it, getting is out is minute by minute what

matters. while it could lift the sub on its own. it has the ability to hook it to a ship, but they have to find the sub first. now we understand the search area is about dwight the size of connecticut appeared the subis about the size of a minivan. we'll hear from someone who is on the very sub that is missing. miguel mar questioned is in the newfo newfoundland, and what is the lastest you are learning, miguel. >> reporter: look, for as great a concern as oxygen is on the sub, there is great urgency here. they get it, but searchers i've been talking to, they are operating on the assumption that those five people, if they are alive, are conserving their oxygen and may go past the

96-hour limit, basically say that they will figure out, before they do anything else, they will figure out what happened to the titan. rescuers clinging to every sliver of hope. interesting sounds from the ocean depths could be a sign, the sign of life. >> the noises were heard by a canadian p-3. that was this morning and some yesterday. >> reporter: the noise described as banging sounds at regular intervals. in the homeland security briefing, they're described as less specific than that, but still the focus of the search. >> where he need to have hope, right? i can't tell you what the noises are. i think this is the most important point, we're searching where the noises are. >> the sounds picked up by buoys like this one, dropped from plane, then listening for any sign of life from the titan

submessible. >> this team has multiple sensor, sending data babb expeditiously to the best in the world. >> reporter: it takes about a day for ships from st. john's to live at the search area. that search area is enormous. two times the size of connecticut. a grid pattern indicates the me tick lace nature of the search and how it's expanded. the commercial ship "horizon arctic" level this morning with gear in three u.s. c-17 cargo planes. and the "terry fox" left st. johns today and is on the way. they will join eight other ships either at the area or en route. the submersible, no hatch, the five-person crew botted into the 21-foot craft stirred controversy during develop and testing. in to 18, the marine

technologies society, a volunteer group that offers technical advice to the industry, expressed concerns to oceangaetz about the approach that could result in outcomes that could have serious consequences for everyone in the industry, unquote. the industry group wanted oceangate to submit to comprehensive testing and standards tests. its founder, stockton rush, who is on the sub, described his take. >> i've broken some rules to make this. i think i have broken them with logic and technology behind them. >> two employees separately expressed concern about the thickness. one employee was fired. he sued for wrongful

termination. the other resigned. the lawsuit was settled out of court. oceangate said it conducted further testing on the sub to ensure functionality and safety. notice, one former passengers who was on that very submersible, the titan, took his son down with him on it last summer. he says, look, he expressed full confidence in oceangate, says they went through tons of security and emergency training with them, and basically became members of the crew. he says that he believes that craft is sound. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. outfront now, michael reeiss, went down and came back. also captain bobbi skoalie. she led a recovery an the with us suggestion cole" recovery,

and a co-explore arer who helped to map the "titanic." david, i know you know one of the passengers on the sub, at we're hoping for his re could you tonight. >> mike, let me start. you've been down four times -- >> three were in new york harbor, and i liked the company, and had so much faith in them that twoiaries later i booked this trip to the "titanic." >> you did what they did, right? you got ready, went, expected a quick thing. for you, it was. >> yes. >> inside obviously cramped quarters with other people. >> it's not even that bad. i really want to -- >> it wasn't that tight? >> it was very comfortable. it's the size of a minivan. there's room to stretch out. the detail people seem to love the idea that, although i was

scared, although i was excited, i felt asleep on the way down, it was that comfortable. i had that much confidence in it. >> i want to ask you more about that, because obviously they're 90 hours in or close to by this point. david, the crews that are obviously searching say they heard these banging sounds every 30 minutes yesterday, they described them as banging. unclear exactly what it was, but at an interval of 30 minutes. does this give you hope? >> absolutely. i mean, before that, my hope was starting to slide downward a bit as time went by. there was some suggestion that an implosion was heard about the time that the subw went missing. i heard this news, and found out it was a credible hopes, my hopes, along with many, many people, went skyrocketing up.

>> so, captain, how do you figure out what those noises are? how difficult is that task, the task of pinpointing. a general area, when you're looking for something this small is not enough. >> well, this is very precise science. they take the data they got from the sona-buoys, which is very specific data. they send it ashore to the experts that evaluate sound noises. those experts can break down the sound data, and they can break it down into specific sound waves. they're very good at that stuff. they analyze it, and then send their analysis back out to the scene, and then the scene uses that to determine what they're hearing. then they update their search patterns based on that, which is what they have done already.

that's why they have started searching in that area. they haven't confirmed that those sounds were the titan, but they haven't confirmed that it wasn't the titan. they haven't ruled it out. now sent some robs in that area to try to fine tune whether or not those sounds are relevant. that's how you do a search pattern. and that's all they have right now. so they're looking there. mike, when we talk about the nearly 90 hours they've been in there at this point, right, you went down and back up. it was a few hours. >> ten hours. >> so now it's 90 hours, close. were you trained on anything, on what to do if it lost communications. did you know if there was food, or did you know what to do if

you were stuck for days given the bathroom situation? >> yes. they let you know everything up front. there's not a lot of training you can do, especially as a civilian. there's not much to do in that situation. you're in there, and you're trapped. i knew up front there was four days worth of oxygen there. there's food on board, there's water on board. they told me something before i took the trip, ten hours door to door. they said we have food, water, a toilet. you're not going to use any of them. there's something about the experience that's just so engaging and under such concentration, those things don't really matter to you had. >> and, of course, now they do, but you knew they were there. >> david, you know one of the

men, a wildly career explorer of the ocean. he's very experienced. some of the others on board, a father/son combo are not. they're paying ocean tourists, right? they are there for the experience. how risky is it, given how little you can do, i mean, you are trapped, to have people on these submersibles who are not experience upped and trained in the way that someone like paul-henri is. >> i think they probably don't have a functional role. it probably makes no difference, they're riding up and down for the most part, so i don't think the training matters much, but versus a paul henri on board really elevates user chances of getting out of a rough situation. he's superbly trusted, and very calm under pressure.

>> no matter how much you pre prepare, you know, you don't know how you respond, the terror you may feel in that moment. >> may be. i mentioned the state of mind you're in, because i think if they're still alive, that is the state of mind they're in right now. i think there's just a calm, there's an acceptance, stockton rush, who build the sub from the ground up, is there, and it's a great thing to know, if there's anything that can be done, he'll do it, and he'll do it with humor and confidence. >> and he's there, we should emphasize. he is on this miss, captain, i mentioned the robot they have out there, designed basically to provided a way for a ship to look onto a submersible, and i raise this question. even if you find it at this point, how long does it take from finding to get it to the surface. when you're on a race against

time, you could find it, and it might still be too late. how much time does it take to lift it to safety? >> well, it's going to take, you know, several hours. the rov will have to take the cable -- i understand they have the navy's fadoss system that will be able to lift it safely, but it's going to have to figure out how to rig it to the titan. i don't know if there's lifting rings, but i assume there's some sort of lifting device, because that's how they got it in the water. they will have to shackle it in, rig it so it would safely come to the surface without dropping it. then they'll have to start of process of hauling it to the surface at a safe speed for the lifting device, which is

hydraulic that will be up on the surface. this will take several hours. i don't node specifically, but more than a couple, to do this all safely. we're talking about, you know, hours to get it to the surface once then find it. captain, thank you very much. david, thank you. mike, thank you. of course, as everyone has all the these questions and are watching. next, a diver who nose firsthand what it's like to be stuck under water with no light, no heat and oxygen is runnings out. he will join me. after four days of being trapped at the bottom of the ocean, what are the health concerns? they're trapped down there physically, psychologically. dr. jonathan reiner will be outfront. and the military with a warning for putin the why he

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representing customers who had spent -- the company said ted to postpone the transcript, lightning damage. so they're saying it was behave safety. that case was eventually dismissed, but it comes as growing concerns, why? what happened here? what might have been caused this sub to lose contact? that's obviously what first happened here about an hour and 45 minutes in. raising questions whether rescue crews will be able to rescue the five human beings. tom foreman has a look at five of the most dramatic underwear rescues. >> reporter: racing time, the elements, those trying to find the titan on sub, it's dangerous and the deep sea makes it all

harder. steven mcginty knows. >> it's hard to imagine two miles of water above you, the immense darks in, no natural light. the weight of the crushing weight, so you're operating in pitch darkness at a depth that many things will fail. >> his book "the dive" is about the deepest ocean rescue to date. the pisces 3 was off the coast of ireland. for three days, ships, submarines and robotic vessels struggled to get lines attached to all up the submersible. finally, success. >> did you begin to wonder if you would get up? >> not at all. we had about a day's supplies. we could talk to the surface all the time, so there was no trouble at all. >> reporter: not exactly.

like the titan, the pisces had limited area, just enough for 82 hours, the two men extended it by lying still, not talking. when they finally emerged after 84 hours, they only had enough for 12 minutes more. how different, the pisces was located quickly. the titan is still missing more than 400 miles from land. the pisces had steady communications. no one has spoken with the titan since it vanished. the titan is in much deeper water. even when the pisces was pulled up, the men inside was terribly battered. >> they thought they were going to be smashed unconscious. it was just spinning. >> reporter: there having under undersea rescue attempts. in 1999, when they save in less than 250 feet of water, 26 men

drowned, 33 were saved. in 2000, when a russian sub suffered explosions in the bering sea, the entire crew perished. the thing is these incidents are so rare, so different from each other, each time one comes along, rescuers have to study history and simultaneously rewrite the book. another thing to make it very tough. erin? >> tom, thank you very much. i want to go to chris lemons, a deep sea diver. he has a harrowing tale of survival. he was 300 feet in the north sea. his miraculous story was the subject of the documentary "last breath." chris, i appreciate your time tonight. you're looking at this with a perspective that so fewen.

you were unconscious under water. you didn't have light, no heat the thought i had just a few minutes of breathing gas and it took more than half an hour for rescuers to reach you. what do you even remember about what that was like? >> i think today's events really resonate. my mem write is twofold, really, the panic stage which i suspect these guys have been through. which transcended into a place where i think i realized from, certainly from my point of view, the chances of rescues were extraordinarily slim, and the panic and fear subsided, almost a case of grieving, and thinking of the things we always think of in that situation, the people we love, the strange ethereal sense

of this strange area. when you're in that predicament, it seems hostile, cold and lonely. do you have any hope for the five passengers on board the titan? >> i think you have to have. i think despite all the potential pitfalls they might be facing, the potential horrors, the truth is they have what are we might think of this submersible that's gone down and the quality, it does have the life support systems to sustained them, and the estimates of gascon assumption will be estimates, you know. i can relate it to my own, but sent in my case, hope certainly seemed to be gone, and if anything, it's remarkable what a human body, a human spirit, i guess, can survive. there is every hope for them, but i think as we're all realizing, that absolutely hinges on them being found. >> absolutely.

and they're in there together. just imagine those interactions and thousand that goes, very different experiences in all of this. you have such experience here, chris. a deep sea saturation diver, you work on oil and gas lines, and living in a deexpression chambers up to 28 days at a time. you've continued to do this. what is that experience like? how do you see it? >> for me, i was slightly different, because i literally as you describe, i do it every day, so it becomes normalized. but that's not a normal situation, so perhaps it's slightly different, but there's

that sense as i described it earlier, a romanticism, i guess, that ethereal beauty of being under water, which is very attractive. but i'm also reminded day in and day out it's a harsh envi environment -- as you said i went down to 300 feet. probably 900 is the deepest we go. these guys are down 12,000 feet-plus. that's an extraordinary depth in terms of the sheer pressure they're being exposed to. they're also not professionals. there's a couple guys in there who are supposedly experienced, but the other three really are passengers, aren't they? they are very much at the mercy of the thing around them. they probably have gotten to a point where there's also they can do. so, yeah, it's a scary situation, but also, yeah, a place that can seem very

peaceful, but that can turn into a dark inhospitable place, i would suggest. >> and if they're all alive, they're dealing with the possibility of the death, and you are one of the few on the planet who can truly understand. thank you. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. and next, dr. peter hotez facing harassment after robert kennedy, jr. made him a target. >> his science is just made up. he can't cite studies. >> dr. hotez responds here next. plus more on the race to locate that missing sub, including that psychological state, five people trapped together for days. how does this impact their oxygen supply?

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tonight, nfl superstar aaron rodgers attacking one of the nation's top vaccine experts. the new york jets quarterback posting this image of dr. peter h hotez. robert f. kennedy,, jr., is running for president. rodgers ease post comes after dr. hotez criticized rfk junior after a interview with -- and he called him out by name. >> nobody will debate me for 18 years, nobody will debate me. i've had asked hotez many, many times to debate me.

i have debated him on the telephone with, you know, with kind of a referee. his science is just made up. he cannot cite studies. >> all right. rogan, then after all of this, comes outs and tweets at dr. hotez -- if you claim what rfk junior is misinformation, i'm offering $100,000 to your favorite charity, and elon musk jumps in, he's afrayed of a public debate. dr. hotez is now outfront. there's a lot of layers. you're now dealing with personal threats, stalking from anti-vaxxers, how is this situation different from anything you faced before? >> i think it has to do with the

volume, the intensity and the fact that now people are come to go my home. i've been gull up against anti-vaccine groups for decades, because you have an a trystic daughter. the movement still continuing around autism, but shifted to become more of a political movement, and it's better organized, better funded, politically motivated. i think that's what you're seeing play out in a very organized fashion, that that's troubling and extremely aggressive, and at times pretty scary. >> i can only imagine. the reality is, probably this is part of the reason for the conversation, now for a couple months rfk junior has been polling around 20% as a challenger for president biden for the democratic nomination. yet, he is perhaps -- he's done

a lot of environmental work, but perhaps best known for what he has chosen to make his central statement, which is claims about vaccines. here he is on the covid vaccine. >> as we now recognize, the covid vaccines were neither safe nor effective. >> if you got vaccinated, you're more likely to get sick than if you were unvaccinated. >> those things are not true, just simply not true. >> yes. >> you mentioned in the book you wrote about your daughter. she has autism. you wrote a book explaining why vaccines are not the cause of that. so this whole debate comes up that rogan is saying, debate and he'll give $100,000 to a charity. you've had time to think about it. what is the reason you don't think that is worth while? >> you know, i've had as

bobby -- which is what i would call him, speaking to him -- rightly points out, we've had a number of conversations especially in 2017, when he announced he would be appointed as a special commissioner on vaccines. i began speaking with him at the request of the national institutes of health. it was an exercise in frustration. i did cite studies and in-depth studies. in fact i put it all together in a book. but it was frustrating, he would keep moving the goal posts. initially it was about the mmr vaccine that was said to multiply in the colon and somehow that led to autism. that was debunked with large epidemiological studies. and then it was spacing vaccines too close together. those talk about the concept of

greening vaccines, and then alum vaccines, and then it was about chronic illness, so it was a game of whack-a-mole or moving the goal posts. that's what it would be like if he went on joe rogan. >> right. >> it's not productive to do it. in some ways it sets the whole field back. >> let me ask you to that point. elon musk said you were afraid to diet, because you know you're wrong. musk has more followers than any other human alive on twitter, he is the richest person in the world. people pay attention to him. just to state the obvious. he's selectually formidable and impressive person. how impactful is it that he's saying these things? >> remember between rfk junior, joe rogan and elon musk, that's

pretty much every follower on twitter. so that's a big space. look, i've said multiple times to joe rogan -- i was on twice on his show. i said, i'll come back anytime you said, especially during the delta wave, when he was inviting activists and i thought that was doing damage. i'll come on and explain why vaccines are effective, safe, but he ignored those e-mails. i wrote him in 2021, 2022. i finally gave up. with elon musk, i said i'll come on whatever twitter format you said to use and have that discussion with him, but in terms of rfk junior, i've been there, done that, multiple discussions. they don't go anywhere. he doesn't understand the science behind vaccines, and doesn't really understand the science of autism. so i think -- and he doesn't really want to listen. so, therefore, i think it would be highly unprotective.

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the breaking news -- censure. moments ago in a very rare move, the house voted to censure adam schiff. members of the freedom caucus led the cause to censure schiff for his role in trump's first impeachment. former speaker nancy pelosi chastised them. >> today we're on the floor of the house where the other side has turned this chamber, where slavery was a abolished, where medicare and social security and everything were instituted -- they have turned it into a puppet show, a puppet show. you know what? the puppeteer, donald trump, is shining a light on the strings. you look miserable. you look miserable.

the investigations into donald trump are part of a long list. he's been indicted twice, and jeff zeleny is outfront tonight in council bluffs, iowa. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody. i wouldn't lose any voters. it's incredible. >> the closing das of one of his first campaign when he uttered the now infamous words. john lee is pastor of bethel christian reform church, just down the street from the evangelical campus where trump delivered that boastful, yet prescient, message. >> there's a loyalty he's engendered in a portion of the voting population, he's almost

messianic. >> reporter: rupp voters are likely to decide hi fate long before any jurors do. >> the seriousness of taking the classified documents, or even inadvertently taking them, saying, hey, they belong somewhere else. >> naomi says the indictment should be -- how do you sort this all out? >> the politics, you're still breaking the law. you have to be held accountable. >> corey voted for trump, but now is shopping for a new republican. she's met several candidates, including asa hutchinson. >> now, don't boo me on that point. >> reporter: he urgesing republicans to rally around a nominee he believes is more fit to serve. >> there's a shifting mood recognizing the seriousness of where we are, in that we don't

need a future mappeder in chief that disregards our nation's secrets. >> reporter: his support appears tore soften, a new poll finds, with republican-leaning voters saying he's their first choice, down 53% in mayes. hi favorable has dipped to 67%. >> he's had one thing after another thrown at him. >> reporter: eileen leads the republican party in crawford county. she says the indictment should not tear apart the gop. >> president trump can't win. i just wonder, because he does have a strong base. >> reporter: pastor lee fears that might be a self-fulfilling prophecy, even though he believes that republicans should choose a new leader. >> i don't see it moving the needle particularly much. i wish it did, but i think it's

part of the background noise. for some people, this is a badge of honor for him. >> reporter: the balance between fatigue and loyalty will be one key measure, as republican voters here weigh this field of candidates. h erin, one question -- will any one candidate becnefit from tha? adam schiff will be here with anderson cooper any next hour. they've now been trapped for nearly 90 hours. the medical view, dr. reiner is next. plus ukraine is claiming ukraine is taking back territory in the south and we have a look at how ukraine is keeping critical infrastructure safe from russians. uh... here i'll take that. -everyone: woo hoo!

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at this time last night, the coast guard said the sub had 34 hours of breathable air left. obviously they're stuck somewhere in near-freezing waters, if they've gotten anywhere close to the titanic. wreckage continues to drift down af they lost communications. dr. reiner, we're looking at nearly 90 hours since the submersible went missing. the oxygen supply is running low. we don't know how low. we don't know what they could do to extend it. what are the top concerns for the passengers if they're alive? >> obviously the top certaoncer the oxygen supply. once the oxygen runs out, a human being will lose consciousness within several seconds and will die within a few minutes, deprived of oxygen. but there are other concerns as well. as you mentioned, the

temperature of the water at 13,000 feet is about 0 to 3 degrees centigrade, that's 32 to 35 degrees farnt height. and it will become as cold as a refrigerator. your refraj ray investor at home is probably 40 degrees. hypothermia ensues with body temperatures below 95 degrees. unless they are quick with cold weather gear, which it seems unlikely that they brought along with them, that will be a major risk. and then finally, carbon dioxide. co2, which we all exhale, is normally in very low concentrations in the air. but in confined spaces like that small minivan-sized sub, if the co2 is not actively removed from the air that the crew and passengers are breathing, it will become toxic and eventually can even asphyxiate them.

and there are scrubbers on these submersibles, but it's possible there's a limit to how much co2 that device can remove. that becomes a concern as well. >> i think that's not something i've heard much about. there's also the way they're sitting. we're talking to someone earlier who's been on this very sub to go down to the titanic. described it as much roomier than it looks on the picture, basically was saying that, again, everything went without incident on that. it was ten hours. so, we're just showing you what the configuration is looking now you're looking like about 90 hours, if they are there. so, there's a physical question to that. there's also the psychological impact of being stuck with five people in this space. what does this do to people? >> well, anyone who's ever been stuck in a stalled elevator -- even people who are not claustrophobic by nature understand how quickly you can become panicky when you are

trapped in a very confined space like that, maybe with several people. now imagine you know you are two and a half miles under the surface of the ocean in a perhaps dark space, very dark, if there's no power, increasingly cold space. it's really a terrifying scenario to think about. and the fphysiologic response t that is panic. and panic causes you to breathe harder and breathe faster. and your supply of air is very limited. so, that becomes counterproductive. so, it's a really terrifying scenario to think about. >> it certainly is, as we all hold out hope here that this will end miraculously. but of course the chances are slimming every second. all right. thank you very much, doctor. i appreciate it your time. >> my pleasure. also tonight ukraine's military claiming it is advancing into russian controlled territory in the south, putting russian troops on defense there.

and prigozhin, the outspoken chief of the wagner army is warning that ukraine's counteroffensive could be a disaster for russia. >> the ukrainian counteroffensive is bringing us serious losses and problems, which are hushed up, which the russian people don't know about. when the trouble comes, i'll repeat, we may remain without an army and without russia. >> fred pleitgen is outfront with an exclusive look at the ukrainian navy's efforts to defend against russian air strikes. >> reporter: night af nter nigh a common theme, russian aerial attacks on ukraine cities, air defense viciously fighting back from land, the air, and from the water. we got exclusive access to ukrainian navy patrol boats that are part of that fight. the ukrainians say the russians

fight along rivers to avoid air defenses. that's why boats like this one keep critical infrastructure safe. >> reporter: the commander, who had only gave his name as anton, says air defense is a key component of their mission. are you effective? >> that question, how effective we are? are we effective? i would say, yes. >> reporter: as ukraine presses on with its counteroffensive, kyiv acknowledges the russians are putting up stiff resistance, every yard of territory hard fought. we would certainly like to make bigger steps, the ukrainian president says. they are smaller than we want. but nevertheless, those who fight shall win. moscow claiming they areins att advances.ssn president vladimirn saying his troops are -- >> translator: currently we're seeing a certain lull. it has to do with the fact that the enemy is suffering serious losses. >> reporter: the ukrainians fear

the russians might try to infiltrate or destabilize cities like kyiv or smuggle weapons here. so, the navy searches all boats and barges on the river. in this search, it was all clear. >> search of the suspected vessel. in the meantime, we will be surrounding them to make sure nobody is going to leave the vessel. >> reporter: their work, they say, more pressing af the destruction of the destruction of the dam, which the russians and ukrainians blame on each other. >> as you can see what happened. now you can understand how it is important to make it safe and secure place. >> fred, president zelenskyy said earlier that he'd like to be making faster gains. how do you see that? is it an admission that things aren't going as planned with the counteroffensive, or is it something else? >> i think that the ukrainians certainly do acknowledge that things are really difficult for them on the battlefield.

i do think they're very confident they're going to make this a counteroffensive a success. and it's one of the things we heard from the main commander on the southeastern front, who was saying there's fierce battles, but that thr hitting the russians extremely hard. they've destroyed a lot of russian armor and have cleansed the russians from some of those positions. the deputy defense minister came out today and said the ukrainians are entrenching positions they've taken and moving forward. of course the movements are difficult and slow because of the tough russian defenses and air power as well. soldiers we've been speaking to on the ground say they're absolutely confident they can go deep into russian held territory, erin. >> fred, thank you very much. and thanks so much to all of you for joining us as well. we'll see you tomorrow. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. tonight on "360" more sounds from under the sea, as the race