join the millions already taking ozempic®. ask your health care provider about the ozempic® tri-zone. you may pay as little as $25 for a 3-month prescription. a third kid. what if she likes playing golf? it's expensive. we're outlawing golf. wait. can i still play? since we work with emower, we don't have to worry about planning for a third kid. you can still play golf... sometimes. take control of your financial future to empower what's next. john lewis, the man beaten within an inch of his life on the ennis pettis bridge while leading the march from selma,

alabama, was honored today. there is a new forever stamp honoring the life of john lewis who is a true hero who died almost three years ago. almost three years ago. the news continues now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com a growing search but a shrinking time frame. five people sealed inside a tiny sub in the expanse of the north atlantic ocean. they have less than a day's word of oxygen. as time is running short, a multinational search is growing and deploying more resources to try to locate them. it is being fueled by banging noises heard last night but also again today. now the race to find the sub and those five people is entering

what could be the most crucial hours yet. a new piece of developing water salvage equipment has just arrived. what can you tell us as we know they're working on getting new equipment to this area, but also they're examining these noises. trying to figure out if they are indeed coming from the missing vessel. have they gotten anywhere with that analysis tonight? >> reporter: they're moving in all directions at the same time. another c-17 cargo plane has land and it has this very big piece of equipment that they need to get out there now. a deep ocean salvage system. now they're trying to find out how to get it out there. there are several vessels, several coast guard vessels and others that might work for it so they're apparently working out the contract to get that piece of equipment from the airport to

the harbor here and then out to the search site. keep in mind it takes about 24 hours to get it to the search site. plus they have to get it from the airport to a ship here that is rigged to handle it. these are very, very big pieces of equipment and they need some specialized ability to get them into the water so they can do their job. that as we're hearing about these banging noises. what were described as banging noises at regular intervals 24 hours ago. today the coast guard saying, they're not quite sure what they are. but they are a sliver of hope for the search and rescuers out there saying this is very much still a search and rescue mission. they are directing resources heavily to where they are hearing the sounds. they heard sounds yesterday and today. they're hoping that they can find those individuals in that submersible and bring them to safety. just to be clear, how long did you say it would take to get to there from where they are

now? >> reporter: it takes about a day to get from where we are standing, 460 miles southeast of here, to the search area. plus, they have to sort of outfit and rig that ship. now, they can get workers down here and do that relatively quickly, within hours. but it is going to take time to get that piece of equipment out there. on the air side of it, because a lot has been made about how much air is left and can they survive. there is a lot of discussion that they are very experienced people in submersibles, submersible, and they believe if they conserve their air. if they are calm. if they don't exert themselves, that they will be able to get past that 96-hour mark for the air supply and they may be able to last much longer. i can tell you, searchers here are acting like they will not

stop until they determine what has happened to the "titan." >> of course, that's the big question, what that time period looks like. stay with us as you learn more. if the searchers do locate it in time and it's in the waters near the "titanic," any rescue attempt would literally be beyond any successful rescue that we have ever seen. joining us now with that and more, cnn's tom foreman. obviously everyone is hoping for the best. well this operation, how does it compare to ones we've seen in the past? in these previous deep sea rescues? >> it does not compare. we can try. but the closest you can get is the pisces 3 in the early 1970s. this was off the coast of ireland. there were two experienced sailors on board. they went down into the water. they were 120 miles out from shoreline in ireland there. the "titan" is 425 miles out. they had communications the entire time. even though they didn't know

where this vessel was for a while, it didn't take them that long to locate it. we have no contact with the "titan." there is no communication and they have no idea where it is. and importantly, the pisces was in 1575 feet of water. the "titan," look at this, this is so, so much harder to work down here than over here. and this again is the deepest there has ever been a rescue in the oceans of the world. >> it's not even a comparison when you look at those factors. and we know that the "titan," when you look at the figures on the right, lost contact on sunday. it was descending 13,000 feet to the bottom of the ocean. much deeper than the other rescues you were talking about. what is it even like that far beneath the surface? >> it is as foreign to us as a planet, another planet would be. maybe even more so in some ways. look, you go down 3,200 feet or

so, you no longer have light. by the time you've reached 5,000 feet, most animals cannot survive. now you're at the maximum diving. that's stretching it as far as a sperm whale goes. some species may go further. the average depth is here. and now, now we're down to where the "titanic" is. it is completely dark at this level. the pressure is unbelievably immense, and i will point out, it is also cold. just barely above freezing. some argue the only reason it is not frozen is because it is salt water. the bottom line, a very challenging environment even more robots to operate in. certainly for human to get anything done. >> we were talking about the concerns about hypothermia and what that looks like. >> and that's inside. you can't be outside it at all. you must be inside a vessel. >> it raises questions, what were they wearing?

thank you for breaking that all down for us. joining us once again, someone with more than a professional interest in this search underway. water search expert david gallow, we should note, whose friend is aboard the "titan." i want to start on the noises. they were picked up by sonar. we were told they happened again today. so far they haven't yielded any leads we've heard from officials. do you see it as a hopeful sign? >> very much so. until we heard about these, or heard these noises, my optimism was taking a real dip. even after i was told there were these noises. we've had it in air france 447. there were noises heard. malaysian air 370, there were noises heard. it turned out to be from the ships that were looking out there and not from, certainly not pinging from a plane. so did i some checking in this and trying to figure out what

was going on. and they're very, very credible sources. multiple sources. multiple aircraft dropping multiple sound buoys, listening devices on multiple days. so you have to believe, you have to believe that that, you don't have many other choices that you're listening to the submarine. >> your friend is on it. you've said you think this is something he might do. what else is there if you're one of the five people inside this sub? what else could you do to signal to people who are searching? >> that's about it. he knows unless he makes that signed of a kounld, that is the only sound they have in the pitch black of the deep sea of someone finding them easily. relatively easily, compared to the searches that will go on. i do have a question about

whether they pinged back. they heard the ping over two days. did they signal back to the sub? they would hear it. that we acknowledge the sound you made. that would lift the spirits of the people in the sub as well. and i don't know if that happened. also, you would change the tapping to make you understand that it is in fact him. or them. >> yeah. when the coast guard was asked earlier, they seemed to have a lot of questions. they about what the noises were. when it comes to the conditions and the time line that we're looking at. if you're operating off what we've heard from officials, less than a day's worth of oxygen that is left. are there measures of the crew that your friend they can take that would stretch out what little supply they do have left? >> yes, p.h. is extremely experienced as a diver, just diving and scuba and also in many submarines.

he would understand the importance of conserving air as much as possible. he would try to get everyone to stay incredibly calm. i think working with that is the hypothermia. it is incredibly cold. so that might slow things down as well. in my case, i can't think, i wouldn't think about that. except tonight like it is a race against yourself. we need to go full speed regardless of what that time is. and find that submarine. and frankly, mathematically, it's going to be almost impossible. we need a miracle. but miracles do happen and that's what i'm holding out for. >> i know you are holding out. as we said, this is personal to you. your friend p.h. is on there. you and i were talking about this even after you were on the show last night. and i know this is a difficult question for you. do you still believe, do you still have hope this is a search and rescue mission?

>> yeah. very much so. i'm very happy to know that the french ship is out there, and victor. that's an extremely capable group and they're motivated because they know and love p.h. as well and vice versa. he knows and loves them, at a. i think about it all the time. and not just me. if you went to st. john right now, many of the people in that community know p.h. and certainly in the diving community. he was much loved, is much loved in that community. so we're all holding out sake for his sake, for the other four people and their families and loved ones that this has a happy ending. >> it is your expertise. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks. up next, we have a veteran global explorer who also has a friend on board and how he

answers critics who have questioned expeditions like this, talking about how they are potentially reckless. later on, my conversation with the democratic congressman about the contentious meetings taking place today. it included russians in the investigation of the russia investigation. i will be a travel influencer... hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys! ♪ go to your happy price ♪

♪ priceline ♪ old school hard work meets bold, new thinking, ♪ to help you see untapped possibilities and relentlessly work with you to make them real. ♪ to help prevent bleeding gums. try saying 'hello gumwash' with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% plaque bacteria. and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash.

sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let the light shine through. and light tomorrow, with the hope from today. this is a chance to let in the lyte. caplyta is a once-daily pill that is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and bipolar ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common. call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. in the darkness of bipolar i and ii depression, caplyta can help you let in the lyte. ask your doctor about caplyta today. find savings and support at caplyta.com.

we know patients are more than their disease. that's why, at novo nordisk, we've spent a hundred years developing treatments to help unlock humanity's full potential. these are the greats: people living with, thriving with — not held back by — disease. they motivate us to fight diabetes and obesity, rare diseases and cardiovascular conditions, for generations to come. so, everyone can meet their moment. because your disease doesn't define you. so, what will? novo nordisk. driving change. for the last two nights, cnn

has been reporting on questions of the safety of this experimental submersible that is now missing with five people on board. earlier tonight, anderson talked to the host of expedition unknown josh gates. he actually took a test dive on the ocean gates "titan" but decided to go down again to film for his show because he had concerns about it being, in his words, ready for prime time. with us, someone who knows the risks taken on expeditions like this one, even under the best of circumstances. richard is the former long-time president and currently president emeritus of the explorer's club. richard, thank you for being here tonight. i know as we were just talking to david. it's not just talking about this. you know hamish harding. did he have any concerns? >> first, thank you for cnn. in the exploration community, the explorer's club, watching

your reports have felt like everything has been very accurate and the tone has been appropriate. it's funny you mention that had last thursday. this will sound odd. i'm sitting next to him on a bus ride for a dinner in the azores. he casually mentioned tomorrow i'll going to the "titanic." he talked about his family and then we talked about getting together at base camp on everest in october. >> not a casual conversation. >> the explorer's club is like hogwarts. people behind us are talking about the mars rover and someone else was talking about something in the amazon. so this is the world that he danced in. we call it a train. when new members join, they look around and hear these conversations. i've heard time and time again, i found my tribe. and i can say in his case, he had found his tribe. and he was just relishing in all the experience that's not only

he could have but he had this huge community of his sons, his son's friends, and friends from other places, business partners would enjoy it. >> how long have you known him? >> a few years. but just in the last year, our paths have crossed on four continents. i was with his son, his family, i was with him on kilimanjaro in july. i just saw him in the azores. so in a short time, i've gotten to know a lot about his family. >> what are they thinking? >> they were very grateful for the effort partaken on there for his father. and before we came on air, i was saying that often it is easy to be cynical about life. you see politics and the worst in human kind come out. and i've seen at the explorer's club and the exploration community, how they all join forces to help somebody who is very popular within that community.

and it just makes you pleased to know you have somebody who has your back and this community has shown the best of what humans have to offer. >> some people who aren't going to dinner in the azores or talking about the "titanic," the lifestyle of this, some people look at this and say i would never get on that thing. not on land, certainly not in water. when people say things like that, what is your thinking? why people do something that is dangerous, it is risky. what drives them? >> i think the biggest ingredient that everybody has is curiosity. if humans didn't have curiosity, we would all be living in caves wondering what was on the other side of the valley. when we land on the moon, it's easy to say yay, we're number one. but character is displayed not when you're on the summit holding a flag. it is how you pull yourself out of a crevasse. and i think he was a very smart

guy. he knew the risks. i can only imagine in this situation, he would be a calming influence. that's the kind of character he was. so i look at other things that people do. i live in connecticut. in the winter, i see people on their phones in their four-wheel drives and going through snow like there's no tomorrow and i'm lake this. >> risk in everyday living. when you think about this, your friendship and you look at your conversations, are you still holding out hope? >> what else can you do? i don't think that his family is unlike 90 family that goes through this roller coaster of emotions. you hear any bit of news. if you've had a relative who has come down with cancer and you get reports. you're lack for the good news. so you know, things don't always logically happen. apollo 13, they never should have survived and they did. i think that while there's hope,

certain it will everybody will put a maximum effort to bring this to a positive conclusion. >> we're obviously hoping for that, too. we'll stay on top of it. thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate your time. we also have breaking news tonight, up next in the trump documents case. late new word about how far along that case is. also, the first sign that the special counsel jack smith could have more than just one recording of the former president. also, a contentious hearing on capitol hill. a special counsel john durham defended his investigation of the fbi's russia investigation against democrats and even some republicans. a member of that committee joins us next.

health insurance commercial. take 1. cut! cut! one more. i got this. cut! take 37. cut! i don't actually play tennis. i'm just an actor a commercial. most iurance companies don't know me. but humana does. when i was diagnosed with copd, they helped me to manage it and keep my medication costs low. even got me playing harmonica to help my lungs. motorcycle scene. take 1. i can't ride this thing either. better care begins with listening. humana. a more human way to healthcare. i think this is it guys? when the martins booked their vrbo vacation home,

they really weren't looking for much: a patch of grass for bruno, a pool for first-timers, don't worry, i've got you. and time with each other. and when they needed support, someone was right there. i got you. because what's unique about a vrbo is you can reach a real person in about a minute. ♪

we have breaking news tonight in the trump document case which could be significant. yesterday, as you know, judge eileen cannon set an august trial date. that could move, as we know. but discovery is already underway. that is the process of each side revealing the evidence they might present at a trial, and crucially, that filing also suggests that among the evidence from the special counsel jack smith, there could be multiple audio tapes of the former president. not just the one cnn has record on where he seems to be discussing a classified document and acknowledging his limits on

declassifying it once he left office. prosecutors in this filing have used the plural interviews to describe recordings of trump with his consent and have been obtained by the special counsel. this has all been turned over to the defense. what is unclear tonight, what is on those recordings and how relevant they may be. all of this as republicans are deflecting from the former president's legal troubles by focusing instead on their allegations that the justice department and fbi are being weaponized against them. unfounded allegations so far, should i note. that said, all of this was on display on capitol hill for about six hours as the special counsel john durham testified. trump's attorney put durham in charge of investigating the russian investigation. today durham defended the four-year probe that didn't even

close to meeting. they did accuse them of confirmation bias, a process that democrats have repeatedly criticized. at one point they pointed to durham's poor track record that his investigation produced. >> mr. durham, how many cases did you bring to trial during your time investigating the 2016 election? >> i'm sorry. you just missed -- >> how many cases did you bring to trial? >> two. >> and how many of those two cases did the juries vote to convict? >> neither one. >> wasn't just democrats who questioned durham in a way like that. he was also challenged by republicans who were in the room hoping that he would find evidence supporting their belief and supporting what they have been saying publicly claiming the justice department had been weaponized against conservatives. trump claimed it would be the crime of the century. in one instance today on capitol

hill, a republican congressman matt gates compared it to the most famous losers in all of sports. >> you didn't charge andrew mccabe. you didn't convict lying democrats or lying russians. you didn't investigate the mueller probe, even though as we sit here today in black letter, that was your charge. have you ever heard of the washington generals? >> the washington generals? yes. >> they're the team that gets paid to show up and lose, right? >> i spoke with democratic congresswoman jayapal whom you saw. the durham probe certainly fell short of republicans' expectations. do you think today's hearing did as well? >> i think it really did. i think there was nothing in today's hearing. everybody felt like it was a giant waste of time. i think mr. durham spent $6.4

middle in four sear. able to get 34 counts taken to conviction and, of individuals and three corporations. on the other hand, mr. durham had two people that he indicted and sent to grand juries and neither one of them moved to conviction. it was a big waste. i think it was meant to be a distraction from the indictment that donald trump is facing. >> that he was doing trump's bidding, he did noticeably break with the formal president several times today, disagreeing with his attacks on bill barr calling him a fwutless pig. he said he believed rob mueller was a patriot. did that change your view? >> not really. it wasn't about trump. it was what he was sent to do by bill barr. and we know he has a close

relationship with bill barr. we know the texts exchanged. at the end of the day, he couldn't come up with anything. there were a lot of words but he didn't even recommend changes for the way the fbi does things. so i think in that sense, he carried out his job of not adding to what he found but he tried to spin it so it sounds like something that is relative or important. but there was nothing new. >> one moment that stood out today was when durham was asked about that 2016 meeting that happened at trump tower between senior members of the trump campaign and a russian attorney claiming to have dirt on hillary clinton at the time. today durham said, the more complete story is that they met and it was a ruse and they didn't talk about mrs. clinton. the mueller report said they did discuss clinton's campaign.

do you think durham was misleading your economy or did he not remember that? >> very difficult to know. clearly the mueller report was far more extensive and the data was for more extensive. there were many things mueller did not put in the report where he didn't actually have investigators to do things. so i'm going to give him the benefit. . he was probably more likely, there wasn't any there, there, and he was not willing to go so far to say there was nothing. he had to come up with something that could be used as an excuse. >> you're on capitol hill. congresswoman boebert is saying it is a premature effort. do you think this is going to

open the flood gates for more republicans to come out and introduce similar impeachment resolutions in. >> we know that marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert are dueling with each other around resolutions of impeachment for joe biden. this is a clear sign yet again that kevin mccarthy has ceded control of the party to people in the stream maga right of his party. and they're trying to control them now. but they've put them out in center stage. they've given them forum and now this is what they're having to deal with. nothing about governing. nothing about letting american people have better jobs and safer communities. just this chaos and extremism. >> thank you for that. >> thank you. up next, i'll be joined by

republican presidential candidate and former arkansas governor asa hutchin son to discuss more to former president's legal troubles. i need it cool at night. you trying to ice me out of the bed? baby, only on game nights. you know you are retired right? am i? ya!

the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is now only $899. plus, 48-month financing on all smart beds. shop now only at sleep number meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer. all learning to save and spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts with her new debit card. hungry? -uhuh. the designer's eyeing sequins. uh no plaid. while mom is eyeing his spending. nice. and the engineer? she's taking control with her own account for college. three futures, all with chase. freedom for kids.

control for parents. one bank for both. chase. make more of what's yours. jackie: community schools are so important to us. this is truly what students need. cecily: no two community schools are alike because it goes by what is happening in the community.

rafael: we want this to be a one-stop shop for our families that puts parents and students first. kenny: the health and wellness center is a part of our holistic approach. terry: medical, dental, vision, and mental health services. we're addressing the students' everyday needs. kenny: what we do allows them to be the best version of themselves. narrator: california's community schools: reimagining public education. dueling stories tonight. there is this breaking news. a new court filing suggesting

the special counsel jack smith has more than just one tape of the former president in the documents case. now trump's legal team as the discovery process has started may have an indication of who could testify against him. also tonight, word that the first son, hunter biden, is scheduled to make his first court appearance at the end of next month after reached a plea deal on federal tax and gun charges this week. two politically loaded cases. with me now, the former governor of arkansas and now current presidential candidate, asa hutchinson. governor, thank you for joining us tonight. of course, we're learning this from jack smith. rec discovery has started in this case. there could be multiple recordings of the former president. we know the one where he seems to be discussing documents. what does it say to you about multiple recordings and what jack smith may have? >> well, even though jack smith laid out much of the information

and facts that he had in the indictment, clearly he has reserved some that he's putting out in discovery. so clearly, there is more to it than simply the facts laid out in the indictment which are very, very substantial. but it also indicates to me this case is moving. and that is a pleasant sprays for the public, because it looked for a while that this might go on for a very, very long time and it still might. but the fact that the judge is pushing the discovery, set a trail date that will be continued. the case is moving and i think you can see in donald trump, that he's realizing the seriousness of this and the impact that it has on the campaign. that you can't go on media interviews and not be asked about classified information. that gets you in trouble in terms of the ability to present a case. and again, that's the reason. we need to get this over with.

we hope we can get it resolved fairly. he's entitled to a trial on this quickly so he can go about his business if he's acquitted. if not, he's held accountable for it. this is a serious issue. whether it is in the court system or brought up like it was in new hampshire. that are we going to have a chief chief that can keep military secrets? that can protect our men and women in the military that are jeopardized if these top secrets are released or out in a public fashion? >> you referenced what he's been saying publicly about this case. acknowledging that he held on to documents when they were clearly seeking them. you're a former federal prosecutor. would you use his words against him in a trail? >> certainly. what it will show, either in conflict with other statements that he's given, which goes to the credibility of the witness and any defense that he has.

all the public statements that he makes in reference to his intent, classified material, it was in a drawer or a bag, whether it was with golf clothes or however. all of that is admissible. it goes to the facts of the case as to what he intended with the classified information. the secret information. and also, how he handled it while he was leaving the white house. so it's relevant. i would expect it to be admitted. and the challenge is that if he continues to make statements on it, inconsistent statements, it weaves a larger web that makes it more difficult for his defense team. >> at love people in your party, since we've learned about the hunter biden plea deal, have compared it to the trump trial. they are saying it is a double

standard. do you see that it way as a former prosecutor? >> well, this is really important. first of all, from the durham report to what the public satisfies as inconsistent results and actions of the department of justice, we do need to build confidence again. and that's why i'm advocating for reform of our federal law enforcement agencies. it needs to be changed. there needs to be more accountability and oversight. we need to rebuild confidence. >> does that include firing the fbi director? something that several of your republican challengers have said they want to do. >> well, it builds confidence and confidence starts at the top. so yes, i suspect that mr. wray would what's his job as fbi

director under a new administration. >> under your administration he would lose his job. >> i would make a change in the fbi director. simply because we have got to transform, and i want somebody in that position that will fulfill my goals of changing the fbi in terms of making it more focused. and i think the fbi has an extraordinary job. they have an important role in counterterrorism. let's focus them on the important missions we have and let's not get them into the political warfare. let's not get them into issues that take away from their primary missions. >> it is just notable given chris wray was picked, recommended by chris christie. picked by trump. senator tim scott voted to confirm him. all these people are saying they would fire him. not chris christie, i should note. before you go, we have a development from your home

state. when you were governor of arkansas, your state passed several antitrans bills including one that you overrode which was banning the care, transition care. that has been overruled by a federal judge who struck down one of those bills this week saying what you had said when you declined to soon it. it is unconstitutional. then your republican legislature did pass it. when it comes to the this issue and the way we satisfy republicans talk about it, do you believe it is a winning issue to talk about? i think it really involves parents. and parents doenlts want their children encouraged into transition in terms of their gender in the schools without them knowing about it. they don't want them influenced in that direction inappropriately. so they're rightfully concerned. so this court decision made

clear that parents are the ones that guide the children's health care. now, i think if the bill had been more narrowly drawn for transition surgeries, one, i would have signed it. but i believe it would have been held as constitutional. but this was overbroad. it impeded on parental responsibilities in making tough health care decisions for children. so i think this is a case that is supported and may actions supported parental involvement and engagement in these important decisions. and there shouldn't be anything hidden from the parents. anything that happens should be with their consent. so it is all about parents and their role in raising their children and guiding them through the most difficult decisions in life without the state interfering with that. >> governor hutchinson, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. great to be with you.

supreme court justice samuel alet ao is now facing new criticism tonight after a report revealed that he did not disclose a trip he took with a billionaire whose hedge fund had cases before the supreme court. even more shocking might be how the justice responded to the allegations before that report had been published. we have details next. i've become a bit of an expert in suncare... an spf-icianado if you will. my bottle of choice? neutrogena® ult sheer a lightweight blend thatrotects 6 layers deep with a smooth dry-touch finish. thisound's on me. neutrogena® ultra sheer i will be a travel influencer... hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys!

♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ ♪ with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. ♪ fastsigns. make your statement.

as someone living with type 2 diabetes, i want to keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. learn more at getrealaboutdiabetes.com

our heritage is ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy. but you best believe, you can't take the italy out of an alfa romeo. i'm christine mahon. i'm retired from public health nursing and from the army reserve. my retirement funds allow me to enjoy what i love to do. as long as you can make an impact, why stop?

tonight yet another supreme court's ethics have come into question after a report at pro publica. according to this new report, justice samuel alito failed to disclose a luxury fishing trip where a billionaire flew him to alaska on a private jet. the billionaire in question is paul singer who has come before the supreme court in high stakes business disputes. back in 2014, the court agreed to resolve a key issue between they said they sent a list of details last week. yesterday, a supreme court head

person said he would not be commenting. just hours later, and before propublica could even release the report, they published -- that was written, saying that, quote, mislead readers. defending his failure to disclose that trip. joining me now, obviously this is the same outlet that has reported on thomas. he was going after them, essentially talking about the misleading and the history of their reporting on this. what do you make of the fact that he didn't respond? instead, he wrote to get ahead of this report? >> it is unprecedented. he knew this report was coming. he wanted to get out ahead of it almost to put a spin on it. to go to -- the authors went to the public information officer, they got a no comment. then he turns around and writes himself his own byline, his

peace in the wall street journal. it just seemed like he was almost trying to be his own crisis communication guide, doing something we haven't seen before. i remember several years ago, there was a big question whether he should recuse. he actually released this long statement, releasing it through the court. it almost feels like an opinion. this felt like he was kind of pulling a page from the political branches. to respond in this way, it really felt political, if not, how things happened at the court. >> it reminded me of covering the white house, sometimes with as for coverage, then they would tweet about whatever you were going to ask in response. he talked about the flight he took. he said he was asked whether he would like to fly there. as far as i love -- as i am aware -- is that a excuse for a supreme court justice?

that it would have been vacant otherwise? >> it is very puzzling. he makes it sound like, no problem. it didn't take anything of the wallet from the billionaire. it is not about that number right? it is about the appearance. about taking a ride on a jet for a three day luxury trip. and then never disclosing it on your financial disclosure forms, which ask you every year to disclose these gifts. i will say, both alito and thomas, who had a similar issue, they do not believe the ethics rules covered them here. it just seemed so strange. this guy has issues, cases before the court. >> they certainly have the attention of capitol hill. thank you. the executive institute and district judge for the northern district of california, jeremy.

and we talked about this on capitol hill, as well, the believe any supreme court justice should be going on trips, or accepting gifts of the size? individuals who could have any kind of business before the court? >> the way i would answer that question, if the supreme court had a code of conduct like any other judicial officer in the united states does, it would give guidance in cases like this. right now, they don't have one. they look at different texts, commentaries, they talk to different people. both justice alito, justice thomas, and they aren't alone. other justices have done this in the past, too. i think if you had a consistent code, if you had clear rules,

they would have been much less frequently. i think more to the point, it would not get as politicized as it is now. in the absence of a code, if justice alito or justice thomas gets attacked, they would say, will this is political. people just don't like their decision. this is an attempt to get at them. there were instances where justice -- spoke to groups in the past. they call that out and said she shouldn't be doing that. if you had a code of conduct that apply to all of the justices, one could look at and get guidance from, i think that would help enormously. if you look at what applies to other things in the country, it does cover things like this. trips, gifts, and accommodations. >> you see a certain reaction from the stories that have been about alito , justice clarence

thomas. and one of the more liberal justices was accepting gifts, i think we would hear from that as well. they are going to mark up a bill on supreme court justice. do you think they could be foot forward -- put forward and pass? being that we have divided government. i think the best course, and that is one that i have advocated for and will continue to advocate for, it should come from the court. the court should adopt a code of conduct. they have a lot of material to work from. this is the lowest it's been in our lifetime. something they can do to rebuild it, adopting the code of conduct. that is the best solution.

>> yeah, it seems unlikely to the support. we will see if stores like this change dot. ask for your expertise tonight. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> we will be back r right afte this. ♪ to guide you through a changing world. ♪

my active psoriatic arthritis can make me feel like i'm losing my rhythm. with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove. ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi 90% clearer skin and less joint pain are possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. thanks to skyrizi, there's nothing like clearer skin and better movement...

and that means everything. ♪nothing is everything♪ now's the time to ask your doctor about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. you got this. let's go. gobble gobble. i've seen bigger legs on a turkey! rude. who are you? i'm an investor in a fund that helps advance innovative sports tech like this smart fitness mirror. i'm also mr. leg day...1989! anyone can become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq, a fund that gives you access to nasdaq-100 innovations. i go through a lot of pants. before investing carefully read and consider fund investment objectives, risks, charges, expenses and more in prospectus at invesco.com.