thank you so much for joining us. the news continues. cnn tonight with abby phillips starts right now. thanks, caitlin. good evening, everyone. this is a critical night in the search for the titanic sub. there are only 7-8 hours left of breathable air for the five on board. the u.s. coast guard making it clear earlier today, this is 100% still a search and rescue

mission. every available asset is being put to work finding the vessel. there is still hope. more noises have been picked up. they were similar to the sounds that were picked up in the search efforts yesterday. the coast guard still can't determine exactly what the source is. >> i can't tell you what the noises are. i think the most important point, we are searching where the noises are. that is all we can do at this point. >> that search has grown in the number of vessels, aircraft on the mission, and in the size of the search area. two times the size of connecticut. the focus is on an area 900 miles off the coast of cape cod. this was last believed to be on its search for the wreckage of the titanic. it is called the titan. it is actually a very small vessel. it is about the size of a minivan. just to give you an idea of how

close the corners are. the total dimensions are 22 feet long, 9.2 pete feet wide, it only has the capacity for 5 people read one pilot and four members of the crew. there are not any seats inside. it is the size and the shape of the cylinder. passenger sit on the floor with their backs arched against the sides. you are looking at a typical configuration for the people inside. this is a photo of the actual inside of the sub posted on oceangate site. you can get an idea of how much room, or lack thereof, is on board. it is impossible to know what the experience of these passengers what it might be like right now. oxygen is running out, carbon dioxide numbers are rising. those conditions are undoubtedly harrowing. johnny does now, cnn national correspondent, jason carol.

he is in boston. that is where some of the searchers are based. what is the latest on the search? >> when speaking to the coast guard, listening in on their briefing earlier today, abby, the coast guard has made it really clear that they are in close contact with the families. you can imagine how agonizing at this hour it must be for these families as they are waiting for some sort of word. a number of folks hanging their hopes on those noises that you talk about, the noises that we first indication about. that was yesterday. this canadian aircraft flying overhead had dropped these sonar buoys into the water and detected these banging sounds. the same banging sounds heard again today. there is some hope there. as you also heard, there is no confirmation in terms of exactly what these banging sounds are at this point. what they have done, they have taken that acoustic data, sent

it to the u.s. navy for analysis to get some sort of confirmation. until that point, this is very much a search and rescue mission. time is clearly running out. abby? >> jason carol, thank you very much. joining me now is retired u.s. navy cap and captain. he is also a senior lecturer at m.i.t. captain mccord, the coast guard said they have picked up the sounds. they are coming at intervals that are very heartening to those who are searching for them. how would you use that observation to locate the submersible? >> i think they may have overstated the significance of those sounds. we are very hopeful that would be something from someone banging on the inside of a submersible.

i believe they also have said they don't understand what those sounds are. there is a lot of noise in the ocean. the ship could be making it, the titanic could be making it. you would think if someone was on the inside, they might be sending sos signals. it is a very constant frequency every 30 minutes, every 40 minutes, every hour. i don't think they've got that type of information from it. >> if they do find the submersible, what in your mind is the next step to recover it? >> let me just say, it's really deep. it is really hard to get to. very few submersibles on machines. very few, if they can get down, it can actually work. the first thing they need to do is find the submersible. most likely, it is on the

bottom of the ocean. it's not floating on the surface, and is probably not in the word of water column in between the bottom in the surface. most likely, it would have been found by the intensive air and -- that they have had going on. it is also much closer to the rec, there's not much current down there. it is very cold, 2 1/2 miles deep. it's got 20,000 feet of cable. the cable is hooked to it , about a inch and a half to two inches in diameter. 3-4 miles of this cable. that is a big piece of equipment. it's got its own crane that it

comes with, a box full of controls and other boxes full of spare parts for it. it is a really big load out, takes a while to get on-site, takes a while to get under the ship, then it's got to be secured to the ship, then it takes a while for that to transit on there. once it's on station, if they want to finally submersible, then they're able to put the rop down and investigate. whether it is about power, stuck under something, or a catastrophic structural -- >> the steps that you are describing, very high wire given that time is definitely running low. thank you for all of that insight. >> thank you. >> in the meantime, some

families of titanic victims are speaking out. i'm calling it disgusting. i want to bring in a husband and wife. angelica harris and john, their uncles died on the titanic. angelica is also the author of a book, titanic. thank you. john, i want to start with you. these were your uncles by blood. they perished on the titanic. you said you are disgusted by the tourism to this. what is so upsetting to you about that? >> i could compare it to looking inside the grave. people died there tragically. very tragically. why make it a place for people to go see? why do you have to do that? let the people rest. bodies are there, what is left of them, the ship is there, what's left of it.

it's just a peaceful site there right now. are peaceful as can be. >> you think your uncles are being disrespected? i guess i can call it tourism? >> i would say in my opinion, yeah. if i were them, if musso was there, i would want people coming down to take a look at me. i don't feel that it would be a very comfortable situation to have people just looking. it makes no sense. >> angelica, these are your uncles, too. he wrote this book about the titanic. how do you feel now about people wanted to go down there? i'm sure there is an understanding level of fascination. would you think about this type of trip? >> being an educator, if you

are going to go down there, just revere this is a grave, how someone -- a loved one. it is our uncles who is our loved ones. there are many other loved ones who were there. it is obvious by the shoes that are being found, the julie, the artifacts that have been brought up. that is exactly what it is. if they're going to go down there, whether they are rich, whomever they are, they said be there to be there in an educational way. to think about who these people are. how they live, how they died.

just by looking at the titanic, you can see the violence. they died by valance. they didn't die peacefully. it wasn't like they fell asleep and woke up the next day in heaven. i wrote a poem called -- angels guide me home. i feel that titanic is in two places right now. she's in the sea, and she is also in heaven. we must revere that. we must see this as a position of where she is, and cradle her. because i am an historian, i see it at a historian point of view.

a beautiful ship that once was. >> it was a fascinating piece of history for the road. also for your family, as well. thank you for sharing that perspective with us. >> thank you. >> we do have breaking news in the trump indictment. just in, hence that there are multiple recordings of the president. that is coming up next. plus, a brand-new headache for house speaker kevin mccarthy. an impeachment push from the hardliners within his own party. chris wallace joins me now on what the speaker is warning his caucus of behind closed doors.

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we have breaking news tonight in the trump indictment. discovery is officially underway. in a new court filing, special counsel jack smith and prosecutors hint that they have multiple recordings of the former president in the classified documents case. the spring in collins with more on this. this is a significant first look at the evidence that the government has against them. what stands out? >> it is a pretty quick move by the judge here. that is something i was just talking to the governor, he views it as a positive development. there have been questions about

whether or not there would be significant delays in this trial. the ball has started rolling when it comes to discovery. they talk about the evidence that each of the sizes going to have in this case. what we are learning tonight from this new court filing, special counsel jack smith and his team have started turning over their evidence to what they have to trump's team. to trump's legal team. what we are told, this includes the nonclassified stuff. that will be another entire challenge for them essentially. this includes things like witness transcripts, witnesses before the grand jury. it could give his legal team an indication of who used to potentially testify against him in that jury pool. we know everyone in mar-a-lago has gone in and spoken before this grand jury. people who were working in the kitchen, maintenance workers, to his closest aides. what is interesting, what we were noticing we look at this, they used the word plural when talking about interviews in recordings they have with trump.

they said they were made it his consent. one of those was when he was speaking with people who were ghost writing that book for mark meadows. that is where he was talking about seemingly having a classified document in front of him. we don't yet know what these other recordings are. we don't know what is on them, how relevant they are. it does say they are made with his consent. it could be public comments he's made about the classifying the declassification process. that has obviously been a focus this week. it has still been yet to be seen what those are. now that discovery has started in this case. >> that definitely jumps off the page here. we don't know what they say, but the one that we do know about was a fairly significant piece of evidence in that indictment. we have much more to learn on this, caitlin. thank you so much for that. tonight, house speaker kevin mccarthy facing another up rising. behind closed doors,

he is trying to talk them off a ledge. sources tell cnn that he is calling on house republicans to vote against a resolution by colorado republican to impeach president biden. the speaker telling reporters to move that way while investigations are still playing out. >> to prematurely bring something up like that, have no background in it, it undercuts what we are doing. we are finding something new every single day. in jim jordan's community, as well. i think you have to did have an investigation. anytime you take something that serious, you don't just flip it. he follow the investigation wherever it takes you, and you follow it all the way through. >> 20 now, cnn anchor chris wallace. he is the host of, who was talking to chris wallace? mccarthy there, not ruling out

impeachment, per se. he is saying basically, not yet. we need more time. we need to do more digging. i was surprised by how strongly this statement came. do you think he is under a lot of pressure to cave on this? >> i don't know if cave, but he is certainly under pressure. this is happened with the democrats, too. in 2017, the first year of donald trump, representative of al green of texas filed a resolution. when you file a privileged revolution, it comes to the floor, there has to be a vote on it. he wanted to impeach trump. again, there have been no investigations, and frankly, obviously there are things people don't like. there really hasn't been anything that has ribbon -- risen to the level of this. it was sort of like verdict today, trial tomorrow. nancy pelosi did with kevin mccarthy is going to do. they brought it to the floor and they tabled it.

this is in for or against it. this basically says, we will put it on the side, it dies a slow death. that is what kevin mccarthy is saying here. i will say, impeachment used to be kind of, yes, it had happened twice in our history. prior to the trump administration, it was kind of something that was unimaginable. it happened very quick in two years with donald trump. i think a lot of republicans, particularly in the white ring -- right link. you will impeach our president? we will and preach impeach your president. what is the high crime and misdemeanor? he says it is the failure to enforce the border. you know, that is kind of a stretch. >> that sounds like a policy difference. not a real reason to impeach. to your point, kevin mccarthy,

according to sources this morning, his own party moving to impeach could actually cost them politically. it could cost a narrow majority. does he have a point? >> absolutely. remember, they've got a five vote majority. they could lose four votes. if they lose five votes, they are in the minority. you know what often happens when a party takes over. they overreach. the idea that you were going to overreach and actually try to bring impeachment against joe biden, it can be a lot of reasons people don't like joe biden. even a lot of democrats don't like joe biden. the idea that he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, it is a real overreach. if they keep pressing this, you can understand where some people in on the margins and independent voters would say, these guys aren't -- to govern. >> really, the issue at hand

for both voters, the quality of life frankly. chris, to what kevin mccarthy was saying, he was basically saying, let the investigations play out. also today on capitol hill, the other special counsel, john durham, he was there to defend investigations into the origins of the russia investigation. it was to be expected, a deeply partisan hearing. i just want you to take a look at that. >> as he said in report, our findings were sobering. and no time and no sense, reacting to the ends that somebody suggests otherwise, that is simply untrue. >> have the cases did you bring to trial? >> two. >> how many in those two that the jury's vote to convict? >> neither one. i think you let the country down. you are one of the barriers. >> do i get to respond to that?

i don't know if you've ever investigated a crime. >> i love you have, you didn't investigate these. >> you agree that they interfere? >> i agree that there is substantial evidence to show that. >> the think it's appropriate? or maybe just ill-advised? for the campaign to secretly meet with the russian delegation to get dirt on them? would you say it is an advisable? >> i hope i wouldn't do it. it was not illegal. it was stupid, foolish, ill- advised. >> mr. trump has called him a gutless pick, a coward, and a rhino. which of those is correct? which isn't? >> and, experience, none of those are correct. >> i don't believe the department of justice are the sbi -- i think there could be some changes. defunded? no. >> that is why the two democrat support you. the longer you hold on, in this

report he gave you get special counsel, your petition will be damaged. everyone's reputation who gets involved with donald trump is damaged. >> my concern is with the people who i respect, my family, and my lord. i am perfectly comfortable with my reputation with them, sir. >> you know it really stands out there to me, chris, he is taking heat from republicans and democrats, which is really not what anybody expected at the end of this process. >> the question i have, why did jim jordan, chairman of the committee, call them up. if you thought he was going to score points, he really didn't. remember, he was appointed during the trump administration to investigate the investigators. basically to say, why dot they spent all these years, both the fbi and the special counsel investigating the idea between

the trump campaign and russia. russia, russia, russia. you know, he spent four years and brought her in cases -- brought three cases. they pleaded guilty. the two big cases he brought to trial, both of them were found not guilty. they were acquitted. it was not a terrifically successful enterprise. you know, he not only hurt the democrats hammering him, but you also saw matt gates, a far right republican as well. i don't think it served any purpose for the judiciary committee. certainly not john durham. >> to his credit, he came, to the questions, to the criticism. that is all we can ask of people. just to stand up for whatever they decide to do in the course of their work. chris, don't go anywhere. you just spoke to senator cory

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the plea deal ascending political shockwaves this week. chris wallace got a chance to sit down with democratic senator to ask him about what he thought about this news. >> did hunter biden get off easily? >> look, you are talking to a guy who had seen the worst of the criminal justice system in america. you see a two-tier system. if you are a president, you can admit to using marijuana, but we are a nation that has been arresting low income black and brown people, literally thousands of americans who can't get jobs for doing things that former presidents have admitted to doing. we have a lot of suspicion about a justice system that i think is still working its way to be justice for all i don't

know the particulars of this case. i haven't followed the details. i imagine there were prosecutors, or a trump appointed prosecutor. like many, going after it with vigor. as far as i'm concerned, the work i have to do, i think justice is taking its course. >> you are talking about a two- tier system of rich and poor. i'm asking you, do you think there is a two-tier system, a double tier standard for prosecuting them? >> especially the way i think he has never -- he hired somebody that had a lot of respect on both sides of the aisle, then stayed away from it. when hunter biden cooperated with authorities, we do not see that in the case of donald trump right now.

>> chris is back with me now. would did you think of the senator's office answer there? >> it will not convince republicans who are going to say hunter biden, the president's son, he got off easy, that he is not going to serve any jail time. that they found nothing illegal apparently. in his business dealings in which he made a lot of money in the ukraine and china. it is the argument from democrat that the justice department, there's every indication that joe biden has kept hands off the justice department. in wilmington, delaware, the one who conducted this investigation, kept them in here for over two years as he decided what he was going to do. it was trump appointed u.s.

attorney who decided not to seek deal time and accept the plea deal. is that going to satisfy republicans? probably not. >> it is certainly not. i do think his point about the two-tier system of justice for the rest of americans, it is worth a conversation. that is very real. perhaps more real than the political element, considering there is no comparison between what trump is accused of and what hunter biden was eventually charged with and played to. on a lighter note, for -- you asked him what it was like to play hero. with that he say to that? >> actually, what i asked him, he has made 70 films that have grossed more than $9 billion. he is one of the most popular actors in history.

he's been in star wars movies, five indiana jones movies. i had a theory. for all of this buckling, sense of humor, being a bit of a -- i said, i think the secret sauce is that he is vulnerable. here was his response to that. >> i have been accused of playing heroes. i don't play heroes. i play aci a man. a doctor, whatever it is. you cannot play hero. you have to play your audience. you had to bring your audience into that moment. you want them to feel emotionally consistent with the characters. then we are not talking about the story. the audience is immersed in the story.

it is a whole different thing. >> if you are playing a hero -- >> if you were, then you would have a cape. >> we would and phyllis scared as we are supposed to say. >> they might admire me for other reasons, you know? that is the way the culture has changed a little. >> it was such an interesting insight into his craft. we played him a clip. we played a clip when he placed the president. i think that is the extraordinary thing. in a lot of these movies, he seems to be a real person experiencing unreal situations.

that is as we think we would be in those situations, but in overcoming them. yes, in the end, being the hero. >> it is such a great observation of the nuances of what makes the superhero movies really great. it is actually the humanity of the character, not the way in which they are larger than life, and more powerful than a regular person. the emotional element of it that makes it great. i'm really excited to watch the rest of that. especially at this stage in his life, continue to do this work. it is pretty remarkable. chris, thank you so much. be sure to check out his full interview on who was talking to chris wallace friday night at 10:00 p.m. see it on cnn and streaming on next. coming up next, an outburst in the courtroom today, just

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on january 6th, he pushed a stun gun into the neck of police officer while wearing a make america great again hat. today, daniel rodriguez learned he is spending the next 12 years behind bars. not before an outburst in the courtroom. he was attacked after they dragged him into the crowd. you can see him falling to the ground in this video. he pleaded guilty, rodriguez it, to four criminal counts. today, as he exited the courtroom, he shouted, trump won.

the judge presiding over this case tore into the insurrectionist, calling his attack a horrific assault. she added that while rodriguez was trying to stop the peaceful -- he was protecting democracy. michael flynn known himself joins me now. what was it like to see the lack of repentance there inside that courtroom today? >> i said in my testimony, my impact statement, daniel rodriguez really ceased to exist to me as a person a long time ago. that is why i have just attached myself from all of these assault cases. it was clear to me, as it has been in the previous cases that there is no remorse. >> what did you think about the sentence? 12 years?

was that efficient? >> i thought it was appropriate. listen, i guess for lack of a better term, i am a victim. i am also a law enforcement officer who has 20 years of experience in dealing with criminal cases. i think the 12 years was appropriate. >> yeah, as we just talked about, this guy, rodriguez, he repeated the very lie at the heart of january 6. this is from president trump just a couple days ago. >> first of all, i won in 2020 by a lot. okay? let's get that straight. i won in 2020. if you look at all the tapes, everything you want to look at, they have people stuffing the ballot boxes on tapes. >> it is 2023, he is running for president again. what do you feel and think, hearing him repeat that lie?

>> it is outrageous. it kisses me off. at the same time, i recognize the dangerousness and the influence that donald trump carries. what people are willing to do on his behalf. we talk all they are just a few minutes ago. whether or not i feel that we are in a worse place that we are on january 6th. i think that is abundantly clear. >> would you think ought to happen is a comes to trump? he is also facing an investigation into his role on january 6th. what do you think needs to happen there? all these years after what physically happened to you, the brutal assault you have

experienced? >> that is really at the heart of why i spoke up. i agreed to testify before the select committee in congress. i felt that the justice department was not doing enough to investigate the former president's role in january 6th. i feel as though after reading at washington post article, which declared exactly that. there was reluctance in the department of justice. the fbi, under direct array, to pursue any type of investigation into donald trump and his supporters for january 6th. like i've said many times, the rule of law should mean something. it meant something to me as a police officer. that is that no one in this country is above the law? that is regardless of their

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his own sibling say he's, quote, complicit in sowing distrust of the science behind vaccines, and now robert f. kennedy jr. he's asking americans to let him run the country as president. while he spreads those baseless claims -- but, the question -- some parts of the media going soft when it comes to challenging these conspiracy theories? rfk jr. is best known for spreading the vaccine misinformation, including this debunked claim that vaccines cause autism. but it is also worth noting that his baseless conspiracy theories go far beyond vaccines, and here is just a taste of it. without evidence, he says that china and the u.s. are developing race based bioweapons. without evidence, he claims that covid-19 was genetically engineered as a bioweapon. without evidence, he claims that 5g technology is being used to, quote, harvest our

data and control our behavior. without evidence, he claimed mass shootings are linked to prescription drugs. without evidence, he claimed the 2004 presidential election was stolen. without evidence, he says, that the u.s. may be plotting to assassinate him. that is a lot. so, let's bring in senior media reporter at cnn here, oliver darcy, and eric deegan's. he's the author of race baiter and a tv critic for npr. so, all of, are you raised this very wisely in your newsletter this week, that everyone should read, of course. one of the reasons that this is an important topic is because of where rfk jr. is in this presidential process. look at this poll from cnn. biden is at 60%. and kennedy is at 20%. maybe a lot of this is name recognition. but how should we be covering him? >> well, abby, i think -- when you are covering a

conspiracy theorist, someone like him, you need to first evaluate whether they are worth the coverage. because, often, conspiracy theories -- there theorists thrive when they are getting a lot of media attention. and if you determine they are worth the coverage, i think it is important to be direct, to be clear with audiences about their beliefs. a lot of people in the media class, they follow rfk jr. and they know how delusional some of his ideas are. but to every day americans, he might just be a kennedy. and so if the news, the press, is not relaying some of the things that you just went to to audiences, i don't think they are getting a clear picture of who he is and how unhinged from reality some of his ideas are. >> yeah, i think that it is not sufficient to call him, frankly, a vaccine skeptic. eric, how do you think this balance should be struck in the media, and how these lies and

misinformation are covered? >> i think this is a difficult situation. because, i think, the audience assumes that, if there was absolutely no merit to what he was saying, then the media wouldn't be covering it. and so, even with media outlets covering him and trying to explain how out of line his views are, and how unmoored in data or reality or facts they are, the fact that they are paying attention to him gives him an imprimatur that i think is hard to overcome. and this is something that all kinds of media outlets have experienced with other people, for example, donald trump. if it's hard to handle donald trump's misinformation when you are training a camera on him, and talking about him for hours and hours in a day. and so, my question is, why is he being covered at all? and, if he's being covered, why aren't we asking the tough question, why are so many

people willing to -- that this guy might be a good candidate for president? maybe that's the question we should be asking. but if you bring him on television and you explore his views and try to debunk them, what you find is that, just giving him that interview gives him more exposure than, perhaps, he should. >> and oliver, you have used, actually, alex jones, another very well-known and popular conspiracy theorist as an example of where the media gets this right, in some ways. how so? >> yeah, the media is very clear eyed with audiences about who alex knowns is. there won't be a story that is published or an interview that runs that does not call him a right-wing conspiracy theorist, someone who has trafficked in insane delusions. but when it comes to people like rfk jr., a kennedy, or other prominent officials in government to do traffic in a lot of conspiracy theories and

outright lies, i think there's hesitation to call them out, to call them for what they are, even though they are really peddling a lot of the same delusions that someone likes alex jones is. it's just, i think, much more difficult for the press and, frankly, uncomfortable for them to call a prominent government official or a candid the a conspiracy theorist, someone who is peddling lies to the american public. but frankly, because of their respected and prominent positions in society, it really warns that kind of coverage. so, people understand exactly who these people are, and the press is -- with them, instead of just really beating around the bush with watered down language. >> yeah, and eric deggans, weigh in -- >> one thing i would say about covering someone like alex jones, is that a lot of the coverage he has gotten recently has been about controversies connected to negative allegations about him. the media is not going to alex

jones and asking him what he thinks about vaccines, or asking him what he thinks about politics. they are doing stories about him getting sued for what he said about the sandy hook massacre, which is a different thing. it's easier to cover someone who is mired in controversy, where the story is about all of the negative things that are being said about that person. it is harder to interview someone who is running for office, but he's saying a lot of things that are unhinged and not moored in reality or the facts. >> oliver darcy and eric deggans, thank you for that. i am sure we will be talking quite a lot about this as we go into this next cycle. thank you both. >> thank you. >> and before we go, two of the most controversial republicans in congress had a profane exchange on the house floor today. the feud was between congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert. it was caught on camera. you can see them chatting there. and it led to a lot of questions. there was reporting that the

word -- and pardon my language here, or the phrase, little -- was thrown around. when asked about it by reporters earlier today, marjorie taylor greene said this. >> -- the story about you calling her an expletive accurate? >> i will not confirm or deny. >> and lauren boebert said this. >> i'm not in middle school. >> so, what happened? well, greene's spokesperson has now confirmed tonight that the georgia republican did in fact use that language with her colleague, while accusing lauren boebert of, get, this copying her articles of impeachment against president biden. and, with that, thank you for joining us. cnn's alisyn camerota starts right now. >> i did see that movie in middle school. that rings a bell, yes. >> yeah, a little bit more profane than my middle school experience, for sure. >> that is -- i'm happy for you. because -- thank yo