you for that. i am sure we will be talking quite a lot about this as we go into this next cycle. thank you both. >> thank you. >> and before we go, two of the most controversial republicans in congress had a profane exchange on the house floor today. the feud was between congresswoman marjorie taylor, greene and lauren boebert. it was caught on camera, you can see them chatting there, and it led to a lot of questions. there was reporting that the -- the phrase little [bleep] was thrown around. when asked about, it >> i will not confirm or deany. >> and lauren boebert said this. >> i'm not in middle school. >> so, what happened? greene's spokesperson has confirmed that the georgia republican did, in fact, use

that language, while accusing boebert of companies articles of impeachment against president biden. with that, thank you for joining us. allison starts right now. >> i saw that movie in middle school. >> a little more profane than my experience. >> i'm happy for you. nobody needs to hear that. krwelcome to "cnn tonight." the search is going on for that submersible that went missing on sunday. rescuers spent the day scouring the size bigger than connecticut. the coast guard remain hopeful. but the odds are getting steeper. five people trapped under water in the freezing cold with oxygen running low. i'll tell you about the man that

was supposed to be on that trip. plus, in political news, donald trump is the gop front-runner for 2024. but chris christie is trying to change that. how christie's radical honesty approach is working. and can he convince other republicans to do the same? let's start with the ongoing mission trying to save five people onboard a submersible. what does the search look like mission. they want to make that very, very clear. but you know, there's some headways here. talking about the timing here,

time is running out. family members, those that have been watching this for quite a long period of time, are hanging hopes on noises. noises first detected yesterday, when you had a canadian research buoy was dropped and the banging noises were detected. the coast guard are telling us more of the noises were found. when i asked the head of the coast guard up here, the captain, what more can you tell us about the noises? and he said, we want to make it very clear, we don't know what the noises are. they've taken the acoustic data and sent it to the navy for analysis. once they get back the analysis, they have a sense of what the banging are. the ocean is a noisy place.

it could be the "titanic" mettle settling. other vessels out this. these are the dynamics they are l looking. at. they've sent extra resources into that particular area where they are searching. we're talking about some of the remote, operated vehicles. manned with cameras. those are being taken into the area. once again, time running out. looking at less than ten hours, by some estimates, in terms of how much oxygen might be left there onboard. the coast guard making it very, very clear, this is a search and rescue mission. and they're sending all resources into the area. still a little bit of hope. >> tell us about the company

behind the excursion. we heard they had face d legal implications. what do you know about that? >> that's true. there were allegations from previous customers, that they had planned trips that were canceled because of mechanical reasons or weather. there was lawsuits involved there. particularly troubling, when you think of what happened from two employees of oceangate, that had raised concerns of the integrity, the thickness of the hull, the particular craft we're talking about. there was some additional testing of the vessel since the employees left in 2017 and 2018. it's not clear if these issues were addressed, but the issues were raised by two former employees at oceangate.

troubling signs from the past. they will tell you these were issues that were saturdayed in the past. >> thank you for all of the reporting. now, let's go to tom foreman to explain what was involved as the search intensifies. we understand so many different assets are being used to search here. what does each one do? >> our team out there has done a great job of keeping track of all this. we know about the air support. poseidon, able to scan for submarines. the ships on top of the water. all of them have ability to reach in and figure out what's going on below the water. when you get really deep, you talk about the probes that can drop down and listen to things going on. side scan radar they're able to

take sonar pictures. you may remember from the malaysian air flight. if you can get pictures in this manner. it helps you go after a target. how good can the pictures be? it can be astonishing. none of the pictures we're showing is from the site. if that happens, you start going to robotic devices. from france, the victor 6000. this can go to 20,000 feet. it's a remarkable craft. it has robotic arms, it can cut loose. it can shoot video of it. this can do remarkable work. it can only do that work if it

knows where to go to do that work. we're not that that point yet. we don't know where this submersible is at this point. if it's intact. we don't have any of that information. and everything here takes time. that's running out. there's so much ocean out there. and this is such a small craft. it's in a three-dimensional environment. just a tremendous, tremendous challenge. good on them for getting these extraordinary assets out there to do this. they're all poised for that moment when one of them figures out where it is, and then the race is on to see in these dwindling hours, if they can save the people there. >> it's remarkable to see the amount of energy and people and resources and equipment that's being devoted to finding these five people. >> it's remarkable.

they know this is one of the great engineering rescue missions on the planet. this is one of the hardest thing to do. >> thank you for explaining that, tom. chris brown is a digital marketing tycoons, that is friends with haimish harding. thank you for bug here. i know it's been an incredibly nerve-racking for a few days of the missing people's family and friends. how are you feeling at this hour? >> i'm devastated. all my thoughts stay with the family and frenltds of those that are missing. holding up hope for those that are under water. hope they can pull it off.

>> tell us about haimish. you have been on other expeditions. tell us about your history. >> i met haimish in 2016. extremely amiable man. won't be flustered by the situation. he'll be the calm of the people around him. he's intellectual. i'm sure he's going through all the things to help the situation. it wouldn't surprise med if he told them to do the banging, at controlled intervals. it seems it's indicate that it's humans making that noise. >> how risky is this type of expe

expedition? >> it's really risky. military submarines only go down to 1,000 meters. the pressure is quite foreboding. >> why would haimish want to take this risk? >> i think you'll agree that the "titanic" is an iconic wreck. there's a lot of history there. the fact it was missing so long. the original expedition objectives to go down and do a 3d scan of the "titanic." you see the ocean gates, to be compared to another scan to see which parts are decaying so the wreck could be preserved. >> i know you had paid a deposit for this expedition. why did you have cold feet about

this? >> it were a couple milestones. and the second milestone, you paid a little more. they missed the milestones which were quite simple to hit, in my view. of 2018 they didn't get the sub below 00 meters. there were a few other things. i brought up certification with the company. it became obvious to me they didn't seem to want to get certification. they were going the call this an experimental sub. that was outside of my risk.

some parts didn't seem ideal for the situation. i didn't like the small motors in the cabling. i thought this is a risk that's outside of my control and one i don't think i wish to take. >> you're not alone. i'm sure you heard reports there's been some employees who had spoken out about their safety concerns. what do you think happened, chris? >> i wouldn't want to get into speculation here. the ideal situation is they come up to the surface and are bobbing around. that's the ideal situation that they would be found in next 24 hours. it needs to be opened from outside.

that's another design flaw. it could be snagged on the "titanic" wreck. we don't know what the situation is. i don't want to get into speculation. it's not fair to family and friends to speculate about these things. we have to leave this, our thoughts have to be with those that are trapped. >> understood. we are praying for them. thank you. we appreciate your expertise with haimish about all of this. thank you for talking to us. >> my pleasure. as chris told us, he is hopeful that his friend and other passengers will be rescued. how can searchers do that? a navy diver will tell us next.

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the search and rescue mission for that missing sub covers the area twice the size of connecticut and includes dozens of vessels and divers. joining me now is rick armstrong. thank you for being here. help us understand how this works and the role of divers. how can you help search for something the size of a minivan in this operation? >> this is being operated with remote operated vehicles. this is way too deep for divers. saturation divers have gone to 2,000 feet. now, you're using high-tech robots. sonar, plus the surface area you're searching. it's a huge area in deep, deep waters. this is extremely dangerous.

not only for the individuals in the submersible, these are expensive machines going down. to locate this submersible in a rapid manner. time is of the essence right now. >> the best estimates are theyville several hours left of oxygen. is there a role for divers right now? or is this being done from the surface with remote-operated vehicles? >> at the moment, it's being done with remote operated vehicles. should they be able to locate a vessel where divers can help rig it and bring it up and over safely, they would probably use divers at that point. the rovs they are using are high-tech. these are complex machines that work on oil rigs and cables under water, deep deaths.

they're proficient at it. they mustered some of the best in the business to help these people. >> one of the hopeful signs, yesterday, they heard some banging. it sounded like strategic banging, at half an hour intervals, that might have been manmade banging. they heard it again this morning. >> that's a very encouraging sign that something has taken the time. it's in 's intermittent. if they can triangulate that and give them a small area to search, that would help out. time is running out. >> do you think rescue is still

possible? >> there's always hope. when they rescued the kids from caves in tie lapd, they didn't give up hope. a different scenario. folks are in deep depths. they may be just below the surface, where planes can't really see them. if they find the folks and bring them to the surface, it will be the greatest rescue in history. >> i thought about the thai kids in the cave. that, too, was seeming impossible. the effort and the ingenuity that nobody knew how to get into that flooded cave and they figured out how to do it. last what you were saying -- what chris was saying in the last segment. it's not like the submersible

floats on top of the water. maybe it's just underneath the surface. >> it's painted white and the wave caps are white. there's many scenarios. if it's on the bottom, they can get to it and cut it away and bring it to the surface. in it's on the wreckage itself, that would be difficult. you need sonar. and you're looking for something the size of a van, in a huge wreck area. it's herculean task, it is. these companies and international military, you name it. in the manner they said, is impressive. i hope they find them. hopes and prayers they find these folks.

>> we agree. thank you very much for your expertise and helping us understand what they're looking at this hour. now, to politics. chris christie is on the campaign trial in new hampshire and not mincing words. why is christie willing to say stuff out loud that no other candidate will? okay... i'll work on that. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is now only $899. plus, 48-month financing on all smart beds. shop now only at sleep number

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switch today. chris christie is on a mission to take down donald trump. including calling him a loser. this is how christie put it. >> in 2018 we lost the house. in 2020, we lost the senate. in 2020, we lost the white house. he said he was going to repeal and replace obamacare. he had a republican congress and couldn't get it done. said he was going to balance the budget in four years. he left with the biggest deficit of any president in american history. said he was going to retire the

national debt in eight years. he added $8 trillion to the national debt in four years. let's bring in our panel. is chris christie trying this radical honesty approach? what's the purpose of the approach his taking? >> everything he's put out there, from a fund-raising standpoint, get me to the 40,000 donors and status in the poll. i looked at chris christie getting into this. he is the face for a super pac of anybody but trump. him stepping up, is reminding other candidates that they don't

have to play in the sand box. there's a drafting aspect of this. what's being lost is while the other candidates are drafting behind christie, they're organizers. in iowa and new hampshire, if you have organization, you can win. >> is he following suit? >> it remains to be seen. donald trump is a front-runner in this race. if you make an argument for being the nominee, you have to make an argument for why donald trump should not be the nominee. it's more true when it's donald trump. he's interesting and media-savvy. the other candidates are boring. the fact they would get media attention is crazy. if you're going to be talking about him, you have to talk

about why you shouldn't nominate him. chris christie gets that. the other candidates, i don't know what they're doing. whatever they're doing, it might make the voters less mat at them, but none of it is a theory to convince people not the vote for donald trump. >> emma? >> i think we need a model for substantive engagement and trans transparency. it's refreshing to see someone that is calling out trump. we've seen the way that trump is reacting to critics. to have someone coming into the race with a commitment to transparency is refreshing. that being said, i think it's important not to paint too rosie of a picture. trump was at 56%. desantis at 22%. and christie wasn't on there.

we saw christie's campaign go down in flames. then, he jumped onboard the trump train. >> you have to look at this time in 2007. rudy giuliani was in the lead in all of the polls. >> unless we see a cascade with nikki haley and desantis and sense doing something. it's exciting to a lot of democrats. but it's not effective in changing votes, is it sucking up attention in resources that could be better used? >> why don't they jump on? >> what they're suing is they're putting their foot in the water. >> very tepidly. >> it's much more three, six, nine months ago, when anybody was petrified of saying anything about the guy.

now, you have four or five candidates saying, christie is on to something here. they are hearing from folks on the ground, these charges as they continue to pile on, we need an alternative. i can think of two candidates that haven't been boring, is trump and obama. trump is bringing liveliness to it. but christy is making it more entertaining because it's continuing. >> the problem with the other republican candidate, when they criticized donald trump for waving documents around or not security clears, the things he had to do to get to indicted are crazy. there's so much material they can only gingerly attack on this. they echo his talking points as the same time they criticize

him. the department came from the department of justice. the voters should take seriously what is in the document. you don't lead by echoes donald trump's claims that you don't believe this. christie deals with this well. trump is the one that did these things. they want to echo the stories that are basically excuses for trump. >> thank you very much for all of those perspectives. we're following a developing story. at least three people are dead after a tornado has struck texas in the west central part of the state. the tornado hit ar8:00 p.m. there's many structures destroyed. more than 80 storm reports

across the central u.s. more than 20 million people remain under a severe storm threat through early thursday. we'll keep an eye on this. a new report shows some graduates of commune colleges can make a lot more money than their peers. mike rowe is here to say i told you so. your living space. with two times the natural essential oil it's time to raise your fragrance expectations. vibrant from air wick.

12 we all know about the rising cost of four-year colleges and universities. and the tens of thousands dollars of student debt that millions of young americans are saddled with. a new report in the los angeles times finds that many graduates of community colleges and technical schools make a lot more money than their peers from

elite schools. this news will not shock mike rowe, and he joins me now. you've been vinld dicated. >> if i had pearls, i'd be clutching them. i can't believe it. >> you and i spoke about this many times. but to see it in dollars and cents, how it may not be forth it worth it to go to an expensive college. it follows a student that was poised to earn $105,000 as a power lineman. once he becomes a journeyman, he stands to get more with overtime. they compare that to the median annual four-year after

graduation income for a stanford university political science major, $75,000. a sociology major, 65,000. those are attention getting numbers. your reaction? guess which one of those students doesn't have $200,000 in outstanding debt. my foundation has trained close to 2,000 people, probably 30 or 40 linemen. i don't know any who are making less than six figures. and i don't know any that are walking around with a lot of debt. on the negative side, they are going up telephone poles and electricity poles and the wind is blowing and it's hailing. it's tough work. but it's important to look at

the stigmas and the stereotypes that keep people out of the trades. at the same time, look at the unbelievably generous p.r. that our four-year institutions have been enjoying for years and years. i don't take pleasure in seeing people finally come to the realization that there's more than one way to skin the cat. for a lot of people it feels too late. for the next generation, the time is now. we have to take an honest look of what it costs. >> another interesting report today. this comes from cnn. test scores for 13-year-olds in the u.s., in math and reading have been declining in the last decade. do you have a theory of what's going on in grade schools? >> that's a little out of my lane. i think the idea that the best path for the most people is the

most expensive path, does begin in grade school. we do have giant problems in reading and writing and arit arithmetic. i don't know what to say about it. i know there's a union conversation. a funding conversation. for my money, i wish in grade school, all of the options are on the table. we talked before about the unintended consequence of getting out of shop class in middle school and high school. if i had my way, i would put that in earlier. and home ec, and financial literacy, and a ton of things you would put in survival schools. great teachers are always in demand. i don't want to cast

dispersions. i have no idea what to say about my hometown in baltimore, that was graduating no students competent in math. it's horrifying. >> there's some kids that take to home ec and shop, more than math class. it's important to give options. mike rowe, fantastic to see you. your foundation is at it, as always. thanks for being here. >> at the risk of a shameless plug, $1 million of scholarships coming up in two months. apply at the website. we're back with our panel. on the community college front, you have a child in community college right now. has that been a satisfying

experience? >> let me give a shoutout to them. >> watching us right now. >> watching us right now. i think he's only been there a couple weeks. anytime somebody goes to school, a college, whether it's a community college or four-year school, it's an adjustment, being away from home. what they are learning is limited. come this fall, a number of his teammates and others at the school, that will start working on trades and learning how the be plumbers and electricians and how to do a.i. work. they will be much more fulfilled in two years with a degree, than folks in a four-year program. my daughter is in four-year in accounting. folks in liberal arts shouldn't

make as much as the folks in the trade. >> it's not comparing people that choose a four-year program or a community college or people that are in the trade or humanities. we need to agree the shame or stigma around people that go to a trade school. it should be a flip. that's an option for them, and that's a lucrative as we're talking about and important option, too. i think it needs to start earlier. >> that's what mike and i were talking about. because test scores are falling, it's not for everybody. in grade school you can figure out if you're going to be an intellectual kid or not. your thoughts. i know you've done articles on things like this.

>> with generativea.i., it will be in shapes that we can't predict right now. now, parra legals, copywriters. so many professions will be destabilized by artificial intelligence. people need to be nimble and agile across professions. that means not taking on tripling debt. i think it limits people in how many career switches they can make. >> we have ten seconds. >> to stick up for four-year programs, the wage premium is something like 80% for those that only hold a high school degree.

it's four-year degrees that won't teach you anything useful. there's two-year degrees that can get you in a trade that pays highly. a lot of people, it's a good decision to go to college because they have substantial wage premium. >> thank you for all of the perspectives. up next, the latest on the ongoing search from the missing sub missible. a royal commander of the navy tells us what he thinks went wrong. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i

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the window to rescue five passenger ace board that missing sub is narrowing. skwloi joining us now is former royal

navy commander ryan ramsey. do you think that rescue is still possible? >> in ale honesty, i don't think rescue is possible. my thoughts go to the families. discussions i had. this is a tragedy. there's a timeframe with the window here. they haven't located the submersible. to deploy rescue services to the submersible will be long. >> if they were to find it in five minutes, you think it's not possible to bring it up? why have you reached that conc conclusion? >> for good reason. the depth of the water. they sent some vehicles that can operate down to 6,000 meters. they may be able to locate the

submersi submersible. we covrecovery takes time to do. humans are resourceful how they deal with events and how they recover from it. there's a collapsie ing timefra. it's not the, jen running out, but the carbon dioxide is what becomes deadly. not to remove it becomes a problem. >> that's interesting. another thing that had given people hope was that the navy had this fly away deep ocean salvage system. that's capable of retrieves items from the floor at 20,000 feet.

it seemed like maybe it could resteve something if it were struck in the "titanic" wreckage. >> that's correct. the first argument sexual the "titanic" wreckage. that's 6.4 meters finding that within that wreckage. if you were going to use that, we should have deployed that days ago, almost to give it sufficient time to search the area and deploy the capability. time is the enemy here. we're running out of time. and to deploy the resources to gather the submersible is going

to take some time. >> we pray you're wrong. but we appreciate you coming on and sharing this perspective with us. thanks so much. >> you're welcome. tomorrow on "cnn this morning," continuing coverage of search for the sub, with insight from an explorer that once got stuck in the "titanic" ship wreck. that starts at 6:00 a.m. eastern. thank you for watching us tonight. our coverage continues now. okay... i'll work on that. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is now only $899. plus, 48-month financing on all smart beds. shop now only at sleep number

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