♪ ultimatum good morning. we are so glad you are here with us on "cnn this morning." i have phil by my side as we cover major developments overnight. moments ago in the search for the missing sub near the titanic shipwreck a remote operated vehicle reached the ocean floor. that is a positive sign to be able to continue that underwater search. we will take you live to newfoundland. and former president obama sitting down for an interview with christiane amanpour in athens, greece. what he is saying. special counsel jack smith is indicating he might have multiple recordings of former president donald trump in the classified documents case.

all of that and more. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ ♪ good morning. a remote operated vehicle has reached the ocean floor and is searching right now for the missing sub that vanished near the titanic shipwreck. that's the new and significant announcement from a short time ago from the u.s. coast guard. sonar picked up banging sounds again yesterday. the coast guard has not been able to find where or what the noises are coming from. you are looking at video of a canadian surveillance plane dropping sonar probes. now, it's part of that desperate search now entering a dire stage this morning. it is feared the five people onboard might have little to no breathable air left at this point. also new overnight, oceangate's founder and ceo who is piloting the titanic submersible when it went missing is coming under more scrutiny.

a former subcontractor who helped develop the sub says the construction materials and design choices were controversial and experimental. >> the pressure hull itself on titan is made out of carbon fiber. carbon fiber is a completely untested material in this application, and that has been many late-night discussions. >> miguel marquez is live in st. john's, newfoundland. more ships are heading the search area with special equipment. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, there is salvage gear that arrived overnight and a c-17, it's at the airport now. it will be transported here and put on a ship and moved out this there. it takes about 24 hours to get from here to there. maybe 20 hours or so. still, it's a long time when they have a dwindling window for saving these people if, in fact,

they are alive. the time that they estimated they might have for oxygen expires about now, but p.h. nargeolet is on that craft. people i have spoken to here that know him, that know his abilities, say that he would have kept people calm in there, kept them breathing very shallowly so they could preserve as much oxygen as possible. this is still very much a search and rescue mission and searches are going to treat it as though they are alive. important that they got an rov down to the bottom and on the bed of the ocean in that area, but they still don't know exactly where the titan submersible is. there is no beacon. no clear indication of where it is. those banging noises you mentioned, they were described as banging noises by some. coast guard saying they might be banging, they might be something else. they are not sure what they are, but it's their best clue right

now. it is a sliver, a tiny sliver of hope and they are grabbing on to that, moving to the area where they heard that sound in the hopes of finding them and being able to rescue them. if they can locate that submersible, then they'd have to get the salvage gear out there, get it down to it and literally tow it to the top. >> hoping they can find the submersible. miguel marquez, thank you. >> someone who wrote extensively about another famous submission, the crew of pisces 3 submarine after it sank 1,500 feet below the north atlantic in 1973. stephen mcginty the author of the dive the untold story of the deepest submarine rescue. we appreciate you being with us. i am sure that you have a different perspective than so many given all of your reporting on what happened and the miracle of 1973. what is different now about the ability to find and rescue people in a situation like this?

>> well, what's fascinating is that the rescuers are finding themselves in the same situation today as the men back in -- sorry, 50 years ago in 1973. the titan is teacher than any other submarine that has rescued, pisces 3 in the same position, 1,700 feet down, the titan about 12,000 feet down if it's by the titanic. ironically, the system that could potentially get it to the surface is similar to the rescue in 1973. 1973 there was a massive rescue operation involving americans flying from san diego carrying a remote operated vehicle. the canadians bringing over small pisces-type submarine and the brits also bringing a small pisces-type machine. effectively, what happened was they pooled their resources and the difference then was that they were able to -- they were

in constant communication with the pisces 3, with the man roger chapman, tragically, the situation we are not in today. they also the same situation that the men on the surface today have, which is they didn't know where the pisces was initially. you know, the boys back in 1973, the way that they kept track of these small submarines was they had a buoy on the surface attached to the submarine using a very, very long stretch of rope. you think of the scene in "jaws" where the barrels on the surface, that's how they tracked it. unfortunately, the pisces, when it got to the surface, disconnected that buoy and then sank. so they had no idea where it was initially. >> i think when people compare the depth of where the pisces was versus where this submersible is now, several differences, including communication. you think this is not going to end the way it ended in 1973. but there have been major

technological advances in terms of a search and recovery capability. is that fair? >> i know that there has been. and the irony, one of the men onboard pisces 3, roger chapman was a mariner with the royal navy before he went into the commercial field and was on pisces. he developed one of the submarines that are used today in terms of one submarine to the other. the problem is only operates at a depth of 1,000 or 1,500 feet. however, vehicles can go down much, much deeper. that's what will be required. ironically, i know it's a thin sliver of hope and success of a rescue could be successful, but the irony we would be using the same methods. a remote-controlled vehicles getting down and attaching something on to the submarine and then hauling them to the surface. >> wow. you wrote about what that crew

that was miraculously rescued in 1973 went through. their fears. fear of carbon dioxide poisoning, a lack of food. what insight can you give us from just the human response and the human toll from them? >> well, after the recovery, seeing how calm it was and everyone was comfortable, that was clearly the british stiff upper lip on display. it was a desperately worrying and concerning time. they had to remain -- roger was always thinking about how to -- how the rescue could be carried out and roger chapman appreciated it was nothing they could do. best to remain as calm as possible, as little talking as possible. slept when they could. they also went through massive amounts of pain as a consequence of rationing the scrubber. that takes the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and has to be operated and you can have all

the oxygen you need. if you don't get rid of the carbon dioxide, that will kill you. so they had to ration, which produced agonizing headaches and made them very, very sick at the time. so it was an ordeal. the irony was the worst part of the rescue was hauling them to the surface. there was a storm at the time. the vessel was going up and down, so when it towed them to the surface they were being shook about and they found it extremely difficult. >> stephen mcginty, the perspective is surreal. thank you very, very much for sharing with us. >> thank you. another republican throwing his name in the 2024 race for the white house. will herd is running.

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this morning cnn's christiane amanpour just had an exclusive one-on-one sitdown with former president barack obama. they are in athens, greece, the birthplace of democracy, and had a candid discussion about the war on ukraine, the upcoming u.s. election and how to navigate a global tricky relationship with autocratic leaders. she will join us in a moment. first, here is part of that conversation. >> reporter: president biden, a man you know extremely well, has made the defense of democracy the sort of centerpiece of his administration. it just so happens that right now there is also not just, you know, threats to democracy by

dictatorships and autocrats, but liberal democracy as well. he has called the president of china dictator and they are sticking with it. he also hosted the prime minister of india, modi, who is considered autocratic, or at least a liberal democrat. what is the point, i guess, or how should a president engage with those kinds of leaders either in the naming of them or the dealing with them? >> look, it's complicated. the president of the united states has a lot of equities, and when i was president i would deal with figures and in some cases who were allies who, you know, if you press me in private, do they run their governments and their political parties in ways that i would say are ideally democratic? i would have to say no.

>> reporter: do you want to name names? >> of course not. but you had to do business with them because they are important for national security reasons. you know, there are a range of economic interests. i dealt with china to get the paris accords done. i dealt with modi to get the paris accords done because you think climate change is something that transcends any particular momentary issues. it's a problem that humanity has to deal with over the next several decades in a serious way. i do think that it is appropriate for the president of the united states where he or she can to uphold those principles and to challenge whether behind closed doors or in public trends that are troubling. and so i am less concerned about labels than i am concerned about specific practices.

i think it is important for the president of the united states to say that if you have uighurs in china who are being placed in mass camps and reeducated, quote, unquote, that's a problem. that's a challenge to all of us, and we have to pay attention to it. i think it is true that if the president meets with prime minister modi, then the protection of the muslim minority in a majority hindu india, that's something worth mentioning because -- and by the way, if i had a conversation with prime minister modi, who i know well, part of my argument would be that if you do not protect the rights of ethnic minorities in india, then there is a strong possibility india at

some point starts pulling apart and we've seen what happens when you start getting those kinds of large internal conflicts. so that would be contrary to the interests, not just a muslim india, but also hindu india. so i think it's important to be able to talk about these things honestly. you are never going to have -- things are never going to be as clean as you'd like because the world is complicated. >> both ch they will /* she will join us later tonight. >> 10:00 p.m. eastern you see right there. tune in for that. right now we want to bring in cnn political analyst, senior political correspondent at "the new york times" maggie haberman. i want to talk about everything that you are deeply engaged in covering every single day but listening to that the former president has been more candid since he left office. digging in on a central issue to the current president but also i

think to some degree the campaign coming up. >> i think the campaign coming up i think he was talking primarily about relations with foreign leaders. realistically, it can apply domestically, too. this is an argument that actually you haven't seen very many democrats make about the pro-democracy efforts which is that it's complicated, that it's not clean cut, it's not, you know, up and down always. sometimes you have to make decisions that are not necessarily in keeping with other pro fessed ideals but because there is a broader world out there. i wonder how much we will see president obama out there making arguments like this that supplement what president biden has been saying. i mean, i think that there is always one of the concerns that democrats have, particularly people around joe biden have, is that obama is such a better communicator, such a more natural communicator that is there going to be that comparison with obama. i think speaks to the moment we are in and the moment the democrats find themselves in, you know. i don't know how much of this obama is discussing with the

white house. i don't know how much of this is just him wanting to make his voice heard. but i do wonder if it portends hearing from him more going forward. >> it's also just really interesting timing that he is doing this right after as christiane pointed out biden at that fundraiser in san francisco called xi a dictator and the fact he is hosting modi. the white house did get some concessions, they are going to hold a joint press conference. that's a big deal. modi didn't want to do that. journalists can ask him these hard question, too. do you think we will hear from the white house whether or not president biden brought up these many human rights concerns? treatment of journalists in india? >> i think that's something that the white house will address. i think they tend to be willing to engage on issues like that. i think whether they are going to want to have a broader conversation about the contradiction between clearly outlining xi -- >> in the same week. >> in the same week, when you are hosting modi in person.

so i do think this is going to be a contradiction they are going to get pushed on. again i think the point that obama is making is that when you speak in absolutes, you are going to get questions like that even if your commitment is absolute to democracy and to democracies globally that we are living in a complicated world. >> stick with us. we have christiane amanpour with us now. after that interview, we just heard a block of that interview and we were talking with maggie about the dynamic and how candid the former president was. >> was your sense of things after talking to him? >> well, look, you know, this is the question, right? president biden has made defending democracy the centerpiece of his administration. look at ukraine. obviously, the defense of democratic ukraine. but as they say, you know, it's complicated. there is real politic. you can go back to kissinger for that kind of foreign policy of trying to maintain stability.

what you are seeing and you probably discussed this many democrats don't like this. they see that modi is autocratic, that modi is cracking down on the press, on religious minorities, the muslim minorities on political opposition and that is autocratic or at the least a liberal democracy. as you know, there is a very, very keen desire to try to win modi over to try to help him peel away from china. the entire focus, it looks like at the moment, of america's foreign policy is on china. and, therefore, they are trying to get as much support as they can, including they are trying to get india's support to bolster the not the confrontation, but the idea of trying to make sure that china doesn't pose an even more dangerous threat. it's risky, of course. modi has not and india has not gone ahead with many of the u.n. resolutions he against russia on this ukraine war, keeps buying

russian oil. there is a lot to be discussed between them. >> this an exclusive interview. the fact that you got so much time with former president obama in this moment, it was saying phil, you are the perfect person to interview him in this moment. can you give us a little bit of a highlight of what people will see tonight? >> yeah. well, it is an amazing time to get this interview because the former president is very, very, very much engaged in the promotion of global democracy and the strengthening of american democracy. he is here as part of his foundation with dozens if not more than 100 what we call global youth leaders from his foundation, men and women, young men and women they are trying to help really connect together and build and strengthen all of the aspects of democracy from a grass roots up vision, if you like, around world. here we are in athens, the birthplace of modern democracy. so essentially we talked about the u.s. democracy. we talked about what he called creaky institutions around the

world that need to be strengthened even in the u.s. i asked him about the spectacle of a former president who is being indicted on federal charges actually running for office, the highest office in the land, perhaps the world. he said it's not ideal, but it is absolutely fundamental for americans and others around the world to see that america upholds the rule of law and that the law applies to everybody. he said that was absolutely fundamental. i will say another thing, too. he spoke at length about global and u.s. inequality and inequity, income inequality and all the other inequalities that are so fundamental to the degradation of democracy and around the world. to be fair, and i'll just going to say it, he said the submarine, the submersible sinking and we don't quite know what's going to happen is a terrible tragedy, and yet not enough, you know, resources and attention was put on 750 poor

people who were caught in the boat off the coast of greece where we are right now and who almost all have died except for maybe over 100 people were saved. these are the kinds of inequalities and all that goes with trying to go rectify inequality that's going to be necessary innard to preserve democracy. >> right. you can't argue with that. we were talking earlier about how many pakistanis are still missing and the dire economic circumstances that country is in, for example. so it is all tied together. christian anne, i will stay up late for you to watch this. it will be extraordinary. we appreciate. joining us live from athens, greece. you will see this exclusive one-on-one, christiane amanpour and the former president on democracy, it is tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. we'll be right back. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. ♪

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primary in the race for the white house. made the announcement just moments ago on cbs. >> and i want everybody to know that this morning i filed to be the republican nominee for president of the united states. this is a decision it that my wife and i decided to do because we live in complicated times and we need common sense. there are a number of generational-defining challenges that we are faced with in the united states of america. everything from the chinese government trying to surpass us as the global superpower, the fact that inflation is persistent at a time when technologies like artificial intelligence is going to upend every single industry, and our kids, their scores in math, science and reading are the lowest they have ever been in this century. these are the issues we should be talking about. to do be frank, i'm mad we are not talking these things. >> let's bring in eva mckend.

tell us why thiere this goes fr here. >> the field getting more crowded, phil. listen, former congressman will hurd argues no one in the field is adequately confronting the former president. he served in congress for three terms. he is a former cia operative. he served actually in a large district along the u.s./mexico border. he was known during the time for driving around the entire district. not only he is an outspoken critic of the former president, he is also really brutally indicted his own party, arguing that far too much time has been spent on these cultural battles and not enough time on the generational challenges. so you heard a little bit of that there. talking about the threat of china and russia and how america is going to adequately respond to a.i. replacing american jobs. he has long championed moderation, castigating the far right and the far left saying it's the moderates that get

stuff done on hill. he was an effective lawmaker during his time in washington getting many bills passed. now, historically, he has been a strong fundraiser and an aggressive campaigner, but it's not clear republican party has an appetite for what he is offering at this time. i was in iowa a few months ago and he was there, and you can see he was testing the waters. we will have to see if people are receptive to this message. but he is unique in that it is just sort of him and chris christie that are so directly confronting the former president. >> all right. we will keep an eye on that. thank you. >> let's bring in cnn political accident at "the new york times" maggie haberman. to the that point, the appetite of the party, the party that elected trump in 2016 and the party that that has him the frontrunner rate now in the primary polling. what does that mean for will hurd as candidate? >> there is a third component, this field is expanding.

hurd is the 12th candidate to get in. it's pretty surprising how many late entrants we have seen. that speaks not just to the fact that trump is continuing to dominate in the field, which he is, but also that ron desantis, the governor of florida who been seen a as the likeliest to topple trump has gone down. he hasn't sustained a decent polling number. a lot of people want to get in. that thins out the opposition to donald trump. so it is not just is there an appetite for, you know, a candidacy like will hurd's on its own much when you are looking at a field which there isn't a happen appetite for that based on how well trump is doing and ron desantis behind him, you are splitting a smaller segment of the party up. i think hurd, chris christie, i think they are making important cases, cases about the soul of the republican party, which has changed tremendously under donald trump and what they would like to see it go back to. if not, you know, i don't think

the republican party was ever, you know, purely of will hurd and chris christie. but i think there was room in the republican party. now there is much less of that. i don't know how much attention anyone can get right now just challenging trump when trump is sucking the oxygen out of the room on his own and because of his legal problems. >> i think the question, will hurd knows all of the things that you laid out. he is very well aware. but i had a republican -- as we were showing, texted me, nobody who announcing on a network morning show is actually serious about trying to be president in this primary. that's not -- i mean, my point is that, like, the idea of -- there is not a clear pathway right now. >> right. >> who is his audience? why do this if you are concerned that trump could be president again? >> i think that is the point. i think that their candies are more tailored to the mainstream media than candidacies to the

republican primary electorate. in general, a candidacy that begins with a rally in iowa or south carolina where you are taking it directly to the voters would probably suggest less of a media centered candidacy like will hurd or chris sununu or chris christie. they require a lot of media attention. they are not really serious point -- it's hard to take a line like that seriously only because again there is such a high bar for anybody to gain traction in this republican primary against donald trump. i understand that there is the belief among some that if -- and within the republican party. trump's going to sink of his own weight. the indictments will bring him down. a may prove true. it also may not prove true. we have seen donald trump survive one thing after another. at the moment, again, a lot can happen between now and iowa and new hampshire. but not that much can happen between now and iowa and new

hampshire. at a certain point it has to be people beyond just asa hutchinson, chris christie and will hurd who are taking an aggressive case to donald trump. it has to be people getting more attention and we will see what happens. >> yeah. thank you. thanks for sticking around. appreciate it. well, former oceangate subcontractor tells cnn some of the cutting-edge technology on the now missing submersible were considered controversial when it was being made. and someone who pulled out of an expedition on that vessel over safety concerns.

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there are new questions about whether the titan could withstand the up experience pressure. a former subcontractor who helped develop the submersible tells cnn the construction materials and design choices were considered controversial and experimental. cnn's veronica miracle spoke to him. good morning. thank you for being with us. this is what what so many people have questions about because the ceo of this company said many times on camera, you know, what i'm doing is breaking the rules, but i believe in the engineering and the science. what did you learn? >> reporter: yeah, poppy, the subcontractor who worked on this had a lot of specific interesting points to make. he spoke highly of the ceo but did say that they moved very quickly in this development, just a little background, he worked on the testing and development of the titan in everett, washington, in 2018 and said a lot of the design choices that they made were considered very controversial at the time.

innovative, but not tried and true methods. he said in order to create a lightweight submersible that could fit a lot of people, in this case five, they made decisions like not having a conning tower, which would allowed people to get in and out of the submersible and open the hatch to allow oxygen in if it made it to the surface. it has to be opened from the outside. he talked the material of the hull. take a listen. >> the pressure hull itself on titan is made out of primarily cash be fiber. fairs people from around the world felt like that was very experimental choice. now to stockton and titan and oceangate's credit, they actually answered that to the best of their ability. but then the question is, well, if you do that repeatedly, then what happens? but if you really are pushing

the envelope, there is no time to, you know, you are answering those questions in real time. >> reporter: poppy, he also told me that oceangate's mission was never adventure tourism. simply a means to an end. really what they are trying to do is explore the undiscovered parts of the ocean, but they knew in order to get the funding that they needed, they had to have high-ticket items like taking people down to the titanic in order to achieve what they are trying to do. poppy. >> thank you very much. that's fascinating to hear. our next guest pulled out from a reservation for an expedition on the oceangate titan over safety concerns. he also friends with one of the passengers, hamish harding. chris brown, thanks for joining us. you may have heard what the reporting has been, some of the concerns in the evengineering. did you share concerns? what caused you a couple of years ago not to go forward?

>> yes. so there is quite an overlap with my own thinking there. when you pay the deposit to go on something like this, it tends to be staged. you pay a small deposit. then you pay a little bit more when they reach the first milestone and a bit more they reach the second milestone. those milestones are based on depth, achievement, and they were constantly missing them. we are not talking massive. when i pulled out at the end of '18, they hadn't got below 300 meters. there was -- i also some reservations about the way it was being constructed using construction piping for ballast. that's the kind of thing you do when you are putting something together between, you know, get some rope and try to get across this river. it didn't seem the sort of thing that you would be doing for a commercial craft repeatedly to

go down to great depths. they had a bit of an instance testing off the bombs wahamas. there was a lightning strike and blew all the electronics. my question is wrrks is the backup? where is the redundancy? if you are about to sink, you know, you are in a bit of a mess. the final tipping thing was that it became evident that they would go to sink certification for the vessel. it that's allowing to do previous dives like your previous correspondent intimated. it's a different beast going down once to going down several times. and when they weren't even intending to get certification by calling it an experiment, that's when i thought there are too many red flags here, so i pulled out. >> what is stunning to me is the fact that this really wasn't regulated because it doesn't fall under the passenger vessel

safety act of 1993 because it wasn't operating in u.s. waters, didn't carry an american flag, but it also didn't fall under the need to have canadian supervision. so there was no one to blow the whistle. and i wonder if your friend, who is onboard still, hamish harding, talked to you about these risks and the concerns. did he share your concerns? >> we didn't discuss the specific concerns around this dive. no, we didn't go into that. as experienced explorers, we are aware of the risks of anything that we do, whether it's going up a mountain to ocean depths into the middle of a jungle. you look at the risks that are there. you assess them. you try to mitigate them by bringing in experts, mitigate them by using better equipment, maybe even something as simple as changing the date or the time that you do the expedition. and you take a personal view on

whether you accept those risks. hamish accepted those risks. he is quite experienced at taking quite high risks. i think you know he is world record holder for pole to pole flying at high altitude. i thought there was too many things that did not look right. maybe i was looking in a different place from hamish. maybe his desire to get down to the titanic was just greater than mine. it's not really the issue. i mean, we are still in a search and rescue position and we are still hoping against hope that they can find these guys. >> we all are and we hope that you can be reunited with your friend. chris brown, thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back.

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are you ready for this? >> not really. >> it'll be great. it'll be a surprise to no one when victor wembanyama is the first name called at the nba draft, likely headed to the spurs. a franchise with a knack for picking big men with the first pick. many think he's the biggest pick since lebron james. >> in the news leading up to his big night, the 19-year-old got the full new york city treatment which is challenging when you're 7'5". he was swarmed by fans upon arrival and as you can imagine riding the subway, that was tough. tuesday he caught a train, he barely fits in the station let alone the subway car. and the first pitch not exactly

a strike but better than mine would be, certainly. most of us don't have hands the size of dinner plates which was very evident when he posted this. that is a regulation size, baseball is it not? >> it is. during the first page that is all i have over this individual. he's tall, has huge hands. but what about the swing span? he measures 8 feet. a longer wingspan than a bald eagle. still howal is 7'5", really? let's look at nba greats for comparison. muncy boeing was 5'3". michael jordan was listed at 6 6'6". and how about lebron?

lebron james is 6'9" and 7'1", the diesel and good friend of poppy harlow, one shaquille o'neal is still four inches shorter. what if poppy and i were back-to-back for the spurs next season? how would that look? can we be real? i'm going to take my shoes off. this is a skewed perspective. this is making me look short. didn't they say we have to walk to that mark, too? >> i feel like we're doing well. is this better for you guys? wit. >> there you go. we dominate this hollow gram thing. he's very tall, very good. >> i can't wait to watch him tonight. >> great job, poppy. >> cnn "news central" starts now. have a good morning, guys.