the behind it and what is needed. a reminder, it is only 21 feet long and it goes so much further down. to the bottom of the floor, than a submarine. probably the kind of vessel that most of russ most familiar with. >> yeah. from our context with the deep submergence community in hawaii, this is fairly large in terms of the space people had. our submersibles, the pressure vessels had seven foot in diameter and packed with electronics and three people in it. it was basically a space capsule. hello. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. we're going to have to ask to you stand by. i want to go to my colleagues to talk about more breaking news on the missing submersible. it will continue right now on

cnn news central. breaking news, the u.s. coast guard says a debris field has been discovered on the sea floor near the "titanic" wreckage which was the destination for that missing tourist submersible. it was spotted by an rov. a remote-operated vessel. we'll get an update two hours from now at 3:00 p.m. eastern. and we have jason carroll standing by in boston for that. cnn has a team in all the key places in this mission. miguel marquez is in st. john's port in canada. we don't know if it is the "titan" vessel but we know they have exhausted their oxygen supply. there are doctors, aheimer barrack recompression chamber, all at the site right now.

meantime, veronica is there and she just spoke to a former employee. you'll hear his explosive comments about the ti"titan's" experimental design. also more details about the five people trapped inside the tightan. we begin with jason carroll in boston. so jason, what are you hearing from the u.s. coast guard right now? >> we are waiting to hear from the u.s. coast guard. it is scheduled to get underway at 3:00. the rear admiral will be the one heading up the briefing. when we've been out here, it has been another one of the captains doing the briefings. they've released a statement that debris was found near the "titanic." it is now being analyzed. . we have more information about

that analysis once that briefing gets underway. the titan went down 96 hours ago. four days ago. the oxygen supply at this point all but exhausted. throughout this, there has been a huge massive effort by sea, by air, to search for the missing submersible. throughout the past 24 to 48 hours, we've been hearing reports of banging and noises. this after a search plane detected noises. now the question is what happened? what were those noises? did that play any role in what happened here? we don't know. still waiting to hear what happened when the rear admiral gives his briefing. that will be here at coast guard headquarters. >> as you pointed out, significant that it will be a

rear admiral who we are going to hear from. obviously, potentially delivering the fate or the news of the fate that we all were fearing for days as the debris field is discovered. >> there are a lot of assets at this site. several hundred miles from where you are. what happens next? >> i can tell you that tweet shot through this area. people who know oceangate, who know stockton rush. it was not received well. the information in that short tweet indicated perhaps the most catastrophic situation for the individuals, for the capsule, the sub, and individuals on it. there is, this is still, as far as we know, a search and rescue mission. they have an absolute massive

number of ships. both in the air and on the surface on this. they have two rovs down where they believe the site would be where the "titan" they believe went down. one hour and 45 minutes into what was meant to be about a nine-hour dive for them when they didn't come back up at 6:00 p.m. on sunday, 6:10 p.m., that's when they alerted authorities and that's when it kicked off the search. it was descending in a water column they had been to before and then they lost the coms. they presumed it would have gone there if they had continued to descend into the ocean and do a search. what is significant about this

is that there is a lot of debris with the "titanic." a lot of submersibles that have been down there over the years. they do leave gear behind. but this is an area they know well. it has been mapped before. there is a lot of sophisticated sonar gear that can map the bottom of the sea floor and see if there are changes. see if there was something that could discriminate from the "titanic." so the news among the, some very small tight-knit community. you realize very quickly. this deep sea submersible community. it was interpreted as very, very bad news. we're all waiting to see what the u.s. coast guard comes out with.

hope has been dwindling for a while. if they are in there, you have experienced oceanographers on that craft, you believe they would have, the first thing never would have done would be to save oxygen. even though we've eclipsed the 96 hour mark. if people slept, if they were very calm, if they didn't breathe heavily and weren't excited, they might have been able to get another 12 or 24 hours out of it as long as they can clean and sweep the carbon dioxide out. people who go down in that are trained to do. so it is possible. but this news is not being received very well here in st. john's. >> we should be clear, there is a lot we do not know at this point. as we work to get more details,

that debris field was found near the search area. we're hearing more from friends and family of the passengers. paula, no one can absorb this latest news with more difficulty than the people on board well. >> what we are hearing, in fact, is that they will be briefed first no matter what the news is before we hear from the coast guard. i want to go back to something miguel just said. that's the expertise. the families have been taking comfort in the fact, if you are going to have experts in board. the ceo, the founder, the person who designed this "titan" was on board, stockton rush. that was important not only to the other families but his family and friends. they said he would know what to

do. he would know the best way to survive. other than that, you had the person nicknamed mr. "titanic." it is p.h.nargeolet. an expert on the deep sea and specifically the "titanic." the fact that there were noises, probably not natural noises, they thought yes, there is a chance. as they saw more and more resources deployed. resources that could get to the bottom of the sea. okay. we might have a chance here. and it is worth repeating what the conditions would have been. you're running out of oxygen. you're trying to really save your energy at that point. what we are waiting for is to learn what the coast guard has

found. keeping in mind an investigation will start here. it will be a measure of peace if the families can get any information at all. what has been so unserving is the lack of information. >> would running out of oxygen or low on oxygen, would it affect the structural integrity or are those not related in. >> absolutely two separate issues as i understand it. there is this issue of this whole carbon dioxide issue. and we've had some people try to explain it. it does become complicated. this is where i go to the expertise. even hamish harding who has a lot of experience. everyone on board as well. they would have known what to do because they had two experts by their side giving them advice

what to do to conserve oxygen. until listening to the experts, you had something built from carbon finer and titanium. and we don't know if there was a catastrophic incident immediately when they lost communication. >> paula newton in halifax, nova scotia. thank you. veronica has been covering this story in everett, washington. i understand you spoke to a subcontractor who worked on the "titan" submersible. there have been so many questions about safety protocols taken and others not taken by this team leading up to this by choice. and they were public by the steps they didn't take. what have you learned from the folks you've spoken to out there? >> i think it is really interesting that the subcontractor who worked on the "titan." he said he worked on the development and will the testing

in 2018. here in everett, washington, he was part of the team testing the "titan" and went down about 30 feet or so. and he said that as this development was happening, he was moving very quickly. and he knew at the time and the team knew at the time that the design choices were controversial. ininnovative, however, not tried and true methods. he explained they were trying to achieve a light-weight submersible that could fit a lot of people, five people, in this case, and in order to do this they had to make decisions like using carbon fiber. here's what he had to say about that controversial decision. >> the pressure hull itself is made out of primarily carbon fiber. various people from around the world felt like that was a very

experimental choice. to stockton and "titan" and oceangate's credit, they answered that to the best of their ability. but then the question is, well, if you do that repeatedly, then what happens? but if you are that you are pushing the envelope, there is no time. you're answering those questions in real-time. >> reporter: and another decision that they made was to not have a conning tower. one of those towers you generally see on some submarines. it would allow people to go in and out of the submersible if they made it to the surface. it would have allowed them to get to the surface and let oxygen in. but as it is, it has to be opened from the outside which is another controversial decision. he said this was never -- excuse me, adventure tourism was never

the goal of oceangate. it was a means to an end. he felt it was to go out and explore the undiscovered parts of the ocean. and selling high ticket items like going to the "titanic" would allow them to do that. lastly, i did ask him if he himself would have been comfortable going down in that submersible down to the "titanic" and he said with somebody who has an engineering background, knowing everything that could go wrong, he would not feel comfortable. >> let me be clear. he's saying this was an unusual substance to use to build this. carbon fiber. but he said the more time you used it, that over time, that might compromise the structure? is that his point? >> reporter: that's exactly what he was saying, but he's also saying they just don't know. there hasn't been enough

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cold water, no communication. but they have limited rations of food and water and besides running low on oxygen, they would be breathing out carbon dioxide can cause headaches, upset stomach, dizziness and confusion. they were only supposed to spend 10 to 11 hours in the sub. reaching a depth of more than 12,000 feet. the "titan" would then spend four hours surveying and then another two-hour trip to the surface. of course, in that process, something went horribly wrong. joining us to discuss this, the director of the ocean technology group at the university of hawaii marine center. he was also a submersible pilot for 20 years. i want to get your reaction to

the news that a debris field has been discovered near the wreckage site. >> dealing with the coast guard, this would be a serious statement to make. i'm sure they are aware being near the "titanic," there will be a gigantic debris field and one would expect to find such items. however, if they find a debris field, that means to me it is possibly a debris field not associated with the "titanic." i'm not sure if they would otherwise make a statement. >> could you walk us through what the statement might be like? how do officials go about determining what to do next in. >> my understanding is that they have deployed a deep diving rov. a robotic vehicle equipped with cameras and sonar.

they would have seen it first on sonar which doesn't really tell you what the materials are. then they go closer and get the video footage off it which is instantly transferred to the control room top side. and then maybe the operators don't know exactly what it is. so they would be then contacting special i ists with people who very family with what should be down there and asking them opinion to verify if or not this has anything to do with the stricken sub. >> as someone who has spent significant time at depth, we mentioned some of the conditions they were facing. can you walk us through what is significant to you about having spent so much time for these folks potentially under water? >> well, it is really something that very fortunately has not

happened to myself. the longest time i spent in a submersible was about 17 hours. it gets very cold down there. so that's a fact of hypothermia. if you have sufficient co2 scrubbing materials, then periodically somebody who will be the leader of the expedition will be having to change out the cartridges. maybe they have the curtain that's are a little easier to handle. otherwise, everybody would have to go in a semi hibernating trance if they can. so it's a very severe situation. >> and max, as someone who has dived to many wreckage sites.

there are a lot of dangers outside the site as well. entanglement, et cetera. we're still waiting for details on what happened here. can you talk about the dillies of navigating on a site that has so many dangers lurking? >> certainly. the premier hazard is entanglement. at the hawaii research lab, we operate two submersibles in tandem. so one submersible would go in as we said to get close-ups, or do the work in and on and around the wreck where the other submersible would stand off and back and observe the site and advise the other submersible if there were entanglement hazards near it. so we were fortunate that we

could do tandem dives. like a buddy dive system. no professional diver would go by themselves. you always go two or more. . >> did it surprise you that this vessel didn't appear to have any kind of back-up? >> i'm sorry. i can't really speak to that. i did see some images and i didn't see what i would expect in terms of sensors or hydrophones or tracking beacons. that doesn't mean they're not mounted on it. it would be very surprising if such equipment were not carried by the sub. >> max cramer, we very much appreciate you being with us. thank you. we will stay on top of this breaking news. a debris field discovered near the wreckage of the "titanic" in that search area where five

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major news in the last hour in the search for the missing submersible with those five people on board. the u.s. coast guard says it has found a debris field near the

search area. as we work to find out more details about what exactly that debris is. we do know that deep underwater rescues have happened in the past, though at far more shallow depths than where this was. the deepest off the coast of ireland. tom foreman is here now. the depth of the "titanic" here at 12,500 feet. there have been rescues before but nothing near that depth. >> nothing even close to this. the truth is there aren't that many rescues attempted underwater because you don't run into these circumstances that often. let alone at this depth. are there any pieces of experience that we could gain knowledge from based on past attempted rescues that could have factored into this? >> there are pieces, yes.

and parts of that equation. right now, you're in this strange two-track world. you're waiting to find out what the debris is. does that tell us the search is over, tragically in its own way? but in the meantime, everyone else has to go forward and say, we must assume that they're still down there. that there is still a rescue to be affected here. the truth is, you have to bring all the bits of information together and see if you can make them work. and that's a come america equation. >> racing time, the ocean of unknowns, underwater rescues are inherently complicated, dangerous, and the deep sea

makes it all harder. the author knows. >> hard to imagine, two miles of water above you. the immense darkness. no natural light. and the weight of that, the crushing weight, crushing weather. you're operating in darkness. >> reporter: his book the dive is about the deepest ocean rescue to date. in the 1970s, the pisces 3 sank nearly 1,600 feet below the surface while laying an undersea phone cable off the sea of ireland. for three days, vessels struggled to get lines attached and haul up the submersible with its two experienced sailors. finally, success. >> was there a stage when you began to wonder? >> no. we had about a day's supply left for our life support and we knew what was going on. we could talk to the surface.

>> not exactly. lying the tightan, there was limited air. just enough for 72 hours. the two men extended it by lying still and not talking. when they finally emerged after 84 hours, they had enough for only 12 minutes more. so how different is the "ti "titan's" predicament? it is still missing more than 400 miles from land. the pisces had steady communications. no one has spoken with the "titan" since it vanished. it is in much deeper water. and even when the pisces was pulled up, the men inside were terribly battered. >> they thought they would be smashed unconscious. the sub was just rattling and rolling and spinning. at one point they begged for the lift to stop. >> reporter: there have been other undersea rescue attempts. in 1939 when a ship sank in under 250 feet of water, 26 men

drowned. 33 were saved. in 2000, when the russian sub kursk suffered a pair of explosions in the barrens sea, the entire crew of 118 perished. >> so you see the puzzle right there. there are only a number of instances to look at. they are all so unique. if you're going to be involved in a rescue like this, you have to look at what history teaches you. and at the same time you have to rewrite the book on the spot to deal with the circumstances as you see them. >> that relates to the rescue. what about safety protocols, safety measures and equipment on this particular submarine? is there something it should have been to make survival more likely? >> will be absolutely the discussion in the investigation which has to happen. you rescue these people.

you don't find them. a lot of questions about their ability to communicate. >> back-up communications. there was no fail safe. >> yes, and in many, many circumstances like, there you have to have a back-up and a back-up to the back-up to make sure you have ways of communications. a way to get out by themselves instead of being bolted in where they can't get out. and other redundancies including any kind of tracking mechanism that would make it easier to know where they are and if they came to the surface. and we really don't know a lot about this vessel. >> i thought about boats. they go out with distress transponders. a way to send a signal to make it easier for folks to find you so they're not just looking out windows with binoculars.

>> you have to do this. i always say, the next time you take a flight and you go over water. look down and try to spot anything there when you know it's there and it is incredibly hard to do you have this, on the surface of the ocean or below the surface where you get into a three dimensional space. it is unbelievably hard. the fact that they found anything at all. waiting to find out what that is, i am super impressed with that. this is very hard to do. imagine if i gave you a drone, and i said over washington, d.c. fly it over washington, d.c. and i want to you find one particular car. >> and do so two and a half miles up. >> right. the work the unprecedented. these depths are out of this world. we keep showing pictures because

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. an update on our breaking news. the u.s. coast guard says a debris field has been discovered on the sea floor near the "titanic" wreckage. remember, that was the destination for a missing tourist submersible that was spotted by a remote-operating vessel. we'll get an update from the coast guard at about 3:00 eastern. we're hearing more from the friends and family of the passengers. we go to paula newton live in halifax, nova scotia. talk about the finding of the debris field and what we've heard if anything from the loved ones of those on board. >> reporter: yeah, significant, obviously. that they have found that. i will say we have a later time than we've had in recent days. and officials wanted to make sure, i know, from canadian officials, they wanted to make sure that they through official channels spoke to the families

before they went public with any information they have. we don't know what exactly the u.s. coast guard will disclose. absolutely agonizing hours and days for the friends and family of the five on board. again, comforted by the fact that two experts, p.h. nargeolet, the legendary explorer from france, and obviously, the ceo, stockton, who was there on the submersible and built it from scratch and knows how it works. they held on to hope because of the banging noises. the so-called banging. they didn't know what they were. they determined they were inconclusive. they were hanging on to hope as they got each and every piece of information from u.s. officials. right now, they know what exactly has happened as the rest of us wait for an update --

>> paula, i have to cut you off. we have news directly from the white house right now. president biden and prime minister modi of india are holding a joint press conference. let's listen in. >> 200 american-made aircraft this year. well this visit, indian firms are announcing more than $2 billion, more than $2 billion in new investments in manufacturing, solar, in colorado, steel, ohio, and optic fiber in south carolina, and much more. further proof that america's manufacturing is back. we're expanding educational exchanges for our students, building on the record, 125,000 student visas for indians to study in the united states we issued last year, and opening new consulates that will make it easier for our people to travel, work, and collaborate together. on issues that matter most, and

that will define the future, our nations look to one another including on critical regional and global issues. today we also talked about our shared efforts to mitigate humanitarian tragedies unleashed by russia's brutal war in ukraine and to defend the core principles with u.n. charter's sovereignty and territorial integrity west discussed our work through the quad and how india and the united states, together with australia and japan can ensure the vital indo-pacific region remains free, open, prosperous and secure. through our new i 2 you 2 grouping, we're building regional connections to the middle east and experienced science-based solutions and global challenges like fad security and clean energy. this year, the leadership of the g-20, we're putting sustainable development at the center of the

agenda. we're delivering meaningful action on low and middle income nations, including multilateral development bank reform, debt relief and building resilient and equitable health systems. the bottom line is simple. we want people everywhere to have the opportunity to live in dignity. and will let me close with. this indians and americans are both people who innovate, create, turn obstacles into opportunities, who find strength in community and family, and who cherish freedom and celebrate the democratic values of human rights which face challenges around the world and in each of our countries. but which remain so vital to the success of each of our nations. press freedom, religious freedom, tolerance, diversity. india now is the most populous country in the world. it is a democracy and we

understand that it is the brilliance and the back bone of our people as diverse and talents and tradition that's make us strong as a nation. it is democracies that do that. we see it so clearly here in the united states where a vibrant community of more than 4 million strong contributes every single day to the writing of the future of our nation. indian americans of every background and faith representing the full diversity of india are pursuing their american dream while maintaining deep connections with their indian heritage and family. that, that makes us all stronger. that is a cornerstone of this sense of partnership between india and the united states, and that is why i know the friendship between our nations will only grow as we face the future together. mr. prime minister, the floor is yours.

>> translator: your excellency, president biden, delegates of both countries, friends from the media. first of all, i thank president biden for his warm words and for his positive words on india-america relations. friends, today is a day that has special importance in the history of india-america relations. discussions today and the important decisions we have taken have added a new chapter

to our comprehensive and global strategic partnership. they have given it new direction and a new energy. friends, our trade and investment partnership between india and america is important. not only for our two countries, but for the global economy as well. today, america is india's biggest trade partner. we have decided to resolve long pending trade-related issues, and make a new beginning. the initiative for critical and emerging technologies i set has

emerged as an important framework for our cooperation by increasing our cooperation in fields such as intelligence semiconductors space, quantum and telecom. we are creating a strong and futuristic partnership. the decision taken by american companies, such as micron, google and applied materials to invest in india symbolizes this futuristic partnership during this journey i also had the opportunity to meet some other american ceos and in my discussions with them i could feel their enthusiasm and their

positive views about india. we both agree that to make a strategic technology partnership meaningful, it is very important that governments, businesses and academic institutions come together. in order to implement india and america's shared vision on clean energy transition, we have taken several important initiatives. these cover areas such as green hydrogen, wind, energy, battery storage and carbon capture. we have also decided that in the midst of global uncertainties, india and america will as trusted partners create reliable, secure and resilient

global supply chains. and value chains as well. the close defense cooperation between india and america symbolizes mutual trust and shared strategic priorities. moving away from the old buyer/seller relationship we had earlier, we have transitioned today to a relationship involving transfer of technology, code development and co-production. the decision taken by general electric to manufacture engines in india through transfer of technology is a landmark agreement. this also opens up new job opportunities in both countries. this will give our defense

cooperation a new character in the times to come. the defense industries and start-ups of both countries are important partners in this cooperation bringing them together is the key objective of our defense industrial road map in the area of space, science and technologies, we have had longstanding cooperation by taking the decision to joint the artemis accords we have take an big leap forward in our space cooperation. in fact, in short for india and america partnership, even this, even the sky is not the limit. friends, the most important pillar of our relations is our people-to-people ties.

more than 4 million people of indian origin today make significant contribution to the progress of america. in fact, just this morning a large number of indians that gathered at the white house demonstrates that the indian-americans, in fact, are the real strength behind our relations in order to further deepen these relations, we welcome america's decision to open consulates in india. similarly, we will also open a new indian consulate in seattle. friends, in our meeting today we discussed several regional and global issues.

peace and security in the indo-pacific is our common priority. we agree that the development and success of this region is important for the entire world. we shared our views to enhance coordination with all countries in this region along with our co-partners. india and america stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against terrorism and fundamentalism. we are in agreement that concrete actions are needed in order to end cross-border terrorism. the cove ed pandemic, the ukraine conflict have afflicted the countries of the global south in particular. we believe that in order to

resolve these problems, it is absolutely imperative for all countries to unite. from the very beginning of the events in ukraine, india has laid emphasis on resolution of dispute through dialogue and diplomacy. we are completely ready to contribute in any way we can to restore peace. under india's g20 presidency, we are laying emphasis on the spirit of one earth, one family, one future. we are lending a voice to the priorities of the global south. i thank president biden that he has expressed support to my proposal of giving the african union full membership of the

g20. friends, the core philosophy of all of our collective efforts is to strengthen democracy and democratic values and democratic order. two of the world's largest democracies, india and america, can together make an important contribution to global peace, stability and prosperity. i'm confident that based on these values, we will be able to fulfill the expectations and aspirations of not only the people of our two countries but of the entire world. president biden, thank you for the meaningful discussion today. this year during the g20 summit we are looking forward to

welcoming you. this is myself and all of india is looking forward to welcoming you to india. and as the president has said, i do have another engagement after this i need to address the congress. so i do not want to take anymore time, and i am going to stop here once again, president biden, thank you very much. [ applause ] >> well, congress is actually waiting ang xiously waiting. sabrina from "wall street journal" and kumar from the trust of india, and sabrina, you first. >> thank you, mr. president. i have a question for the prime minister, but first a two-part question for you. your comments at a fund-raiser this week appeared to be the first time in recent memory a sitting u.s. president has called a chinese leader a dictator. did those comments about

president xi under mine the progress your administration has made in maintaining a relationship with china, and secondly on india as you raise broader issues of human rights and democracy what is your message to those including some members of your own party who say that your administration is kb overlooking religious minorities and crackdown in prime minister modi's country. >> answer to your first question is, no. you know, when we're talking to our allies and partners around the world including india, we let the idea of my choosing and avoiding saying what i think is facts with regard to relationship with china is, is just not something i'm going to change very much.