progress your administration has made in maintaining a relationship with china, and secondly on india as you raise broader issues of human rights and democracy what is your message to those including some members of your own party who say that your administration is kb overlooking religious minorities and crackdown in prime minister modi's country. >> answer to your first question is, no. you know, when we're talking to our allies and partners around the world including india, we let the idea of my choosing and avoiding saying what i think is facts with regard to relationship with china is, is just not something i'm going to change very much. i think we, i believe that, i've

said this for some time, that the story about the relation with china is collapsing and moving, et cetera, et cetera. we had an incident that caused some, some confusion, you might say. but the, secretary blinken had a great trip to china. i expect to be meeting with president xi sometime in the future, near term, and i don't think it's had any real consequence. and what was the second question? >> as you raise these broader issues of human rights and democracy what is your message to though including some members of your own party who believe that your administration is overlooking the targeting of religious palestus minorities a keo down in india.

>> prime minister modi and i had a conversation and we respect each other. one of the fundamental reasons i believe the u.s.-china relationship is not in the space it is as the u.s.-indian relationship is that there is an overwhelming respect for each other, because we are both democracies, and it's a common democratic character both of our countries that, and our people, our diversity, our culture. our open, tolerant robust debate, and i believe that we believe in the dignity of every citizen and it is in america's and i believe in india's dna that the whole world, the whole world has a stake in our success, both of us, in maintaining our democracies. makes us appealing partners and enables us to expand democratic institutions across, around the world. and i believe this and i still

believe this. >> mr. prime minister, india's long prided itself as the world's largest democracy but there are many human rights groups who say your government discriminated against religious minorities and sought to silence its critics. as you stand here in the east room of the white house where so many world leaders made commitments to protecting democracy, what steps are you and your government willing to take to improve the rights of muslims and other minorities in your country and uphold free speech? >> translator: i'm actually really surprised that people say so people don't say it indeed, india is a democracy, and as president biden also mentioned, india and america both

countries, democracy is in our dna. democracy is our spirit. democracy runs in our veins. we live democracy. and our ancestors have actually put words to this concept, and that is in the form of our constitution. our government has taken the basic principles of democracy and on that basis a constitution is made and the entire country runs on that. our constitution and our government, we have always proved that democracy can deliver and when i say "deliver" this is regardless of creed, religion, gender, there's absolutely no space for discrimination, and when you talk of democracy, if there are no human values, and there is no

humanity, there are no human rights, then it's not a democracy. and that is why when you say "democracy" and you accept democracy, and when we live democracy, then there is absolutely no space for discrimination, and that is why india believes in moving ahead with everybody we trust and the with everybody's efforts, these are our foundation principles which are the basis of how we operate, how we live our lives in india. the benefits that are provided by the government is accessible to all. whoever desires, benefit to everybody and that is why in india's democratic values there's absolutely no discrimination, neither on basis of cast, creed, age, or any kind of geographic location. >> kumar?

>> thanks a lot, sir. spoken strongly about the need to tackle the climate change, but there's a view -- both -- >> i'm sorry. i didn't follow -- >> most countries spoken about the challenge of climate change, but there is a view that, and started, set, implementation is lacking. there is also criticism of lack of technology transfer, transfer from the developed countries to the developing -- how do you, both leaders, see the way ahead on this pressing issue? >> well, first of all, i think it is "the" existential threat to humanity, climate change. it's the most serious problem we face, as human beings. we have to keep 1.5 celsius and made enormous progress here in

the united states on dealing with this issue by doing three things. number one -- by insisting we move our,er one of our industries into a position where they can take advantage of cheaper and more extensive and more available renewable energy. whether it's solar or wind or hydrogen and green hydrogen. a whole range of things we're working on. in addition to that we find ourselves in a position that what we've done is that we have significantly reduced the -- for example, i made a commitment we going to make sure that by 2030, 30% of all land and sea and oceans were, are, were in conservation could, not be developed. we're well on our way to doing that and that's absorbing carbon from the air as a consequence of that, because of our conservation. we are in a position as well that we have provided for significant increase in funding

for a whole range of issues, but not just for the united states, but for the rest of the world. for example, we're working with the g7 to provide for any infrastructure work for -- for dealing with global warming in the continent of africa, and angola. building the largest solar project. moving ourselves from having railway to go all the way across the southern two-thirds -- from the atlantic ocean to the, to the indian ocean in africa to be able to transport and do it cheaper and do it with less -- less, how can i say it? less carbon emissions. we're trying to work with other countries to maintain their -- maintain their carbon syncs and trying to figure out how to work to pay them not to develop certain areas like the amazon

and brazil, but there's a lot of technology that's available that we're sharing and we share with one another. we've learned how to do solar energy, which is considerably cheaper than it is to, for fuel, for fossil fuels. the same way dealing with not just solar but dealing with wind, and so there's a lot of technology that we've developed and -- and we're well on our way, i think to the commitment we made to, that we made in paris. and we're prepared to share all of that with india that has the desire to do the same. >> translator: ex-los cellency said very rightly that as far as india is concerned the environment climate -- these

are -- extremely important in our cultural traditions. for us the environment is an article of faith. this is not just something that we need to do for convenience. we believe this. we do not believe in the exploitation of nature. in order for all of creation to work, we can make nature -- we cannot have exploitation of nature and we have always believed this, and on the basis of these values, we are not only doing things for ourselves but are taking some global initiatives as well. you, perhaps, know that the g20 countries, the promises they made in paris of all the g20 countries, india is the only country that has fulfilled all

the promises it made at the gm gmg20. not just that, in the area of solar energy in glasgow we set a target to maintain 500 giga watts. by 2020 a target making indian railways net zero and you must understand the scale of indian railways. when we talk about indian railways it means that every day the entire population of australia travels in our, on our trains, and we have set ourselves a target to achieve net zero for our railways. we have also set ourselves targets for solar energy for ethanol. 10% mix of ethanol. we have completed this target before the set date. we are also working in the area

of green hydrogen. we want india to be a green hydrogen hub and we are working towards this in, in the international solar alliance it has been launched by india and many countries have joined it, and are working with india. the island countries we have helped them in the area of solar energy. so that they have now a new confidence that we are with them in their efforts to fight climate change and we will not only fulfill our responsibilities, but we will also help you in the area of climate change. we have seen that due to natural calamities -- people talk about the death of people. no doubt when there are natural disasters, but there is a lot of destruction of infrastructure as well and, therefore, because of climate change, the kind of

kro crisis we are feeling, we need to develop infrastructure is tha is resilient and therefore created a global organization called cdri and you perhaps remember i presented a subject at glasgow to the world and recently it was launched by the u.s. secretary-general and myself. that is mission life. when i say "life" i mean lifestyle for the environment. therefore, every individual must live his life in a pro-environment, a pro-development way, and we are working towards this, and i am sure that whatever work india has started in all of these areas, not because india has adversary affected the environment of the world. we are doing this because we have a concern for future generations. we do not want to give our future generations a world that

makes life difficult for them, and, therefore, as a global responsibility, india has not caused any problems to the environment. however, we are playing a leading role in contributing in a positive manner as far as prosperous countries are concerned the. there's always been talk about technology transfer, financial support, and -- there are some countries that need to have technology transfer, financial support and we hope that as soon as we can move forward in this area we will be able to solve this challenge of climate change. thank you very much. >> the united states the way we developed it over the last few years and why i was able to convince my colleagues in congress to pass the largest climate fund ever in american, in the world history.

$369 billion. $369 billion to deal with the climate crisis, and we are doing it extensively now and i think you're going to see significant progress. thank you all very, very much. you've been listening there to president biden and the india prime minister narendra modi at the white house there. both of them in othering comments tout be economic ties between the two countries. they signed a deal during this visit to build high-performance military jet engines in india. president biden was asked about his comments recently describing the chinese leader xi jinpinging a a dictator. he did not back away from those comments saying it's something

he sees as facts. modi pressed on ongoing questions about anti-democratic moves in his own country. discrimination, et cetera. he said democracy runs in our country's veins saying there is absolutely no discrimination in his country. we're joined now by cnn chief international krifrten ann amanpour and white house correspondent from the "new york times" david sanger. christiane, to you first. what is biden's motivation here in warming up to india at this time? is that about pulling india closer as the u.s. standoff worsens with russia certainly but also china? is it about making them a friend in all of this as best they can? >> i think that's a huge part of it. absolutely, and, of course, as you know, india has not joined many of the u.n. resolutions. it is against russia. it is still importing russian oil. that oil that moves by sea from

russia. and actually over the environment. it is still very much invested in coal mining and that is a very degrading aspect to the environment. and it also, as you know, has a, an alarming crackdown on the muslim minority there. the very significant muslim minority on the press on political opposition. i'm talking to you from athens, because i than exclusive interview with former president barack obama and asked about the complicated visuals of president biden's pledge to defend democracy as it collides with autocracy and liberal democrats such as modi and authoritarians like president shi xi. life and the world is complicated. this is an national security in many instances, supply chains and trying to get the best deal for your own security when you can. he said if i was to talk to modi, which i have done many times i would explain to him that cracking down, for instance, on the minority in

india is eventually not going to be good obviously for the muslims nor for the hindu majority either. we've seen how ethnic suppression can cause countries to disintegrate. he said, you know, he spoke to xi. obviously knew him well and modi to get them involved in an, onboard with the paris climate accord. there are many reasons to do it, but also many questions about the genuine commitment to democracy in modi's india. >> and, david, to you. some of the things we didn't hear at this press conference between modi and biden. no specific mention of ukraine, or of russia. we know that part of the reason that india wants to strike this deal with ge is to be able to make as modi described it, a security start-ups, that will grow in india to have production of military weapons there, perhaps to distance themselves somewhat from russia. u.s. has an interest in that but didn't hear them specifically talk about india's support

buying russian oil and voting to not condemn that at the u.n. security council. >> not just a little. a lot of oil. 45% selling by sea, selling into the indian market now. that's a big economic support for the war. why is the president willing to go look past this? there is a broader indo-pacific strategy in which the president is hoping will line up over time against russia, and more importantly, against china. japan, south korea, the philippines, just saw supposed to continue his trip down to papua new guinea in australia and didn't make it because of issues here, the debt ceiling, and india is a key part of this as well. this is where president biden's democracy versus autocracy meet

clean lines all sort of fall apart. the other place is saudi arabia. right? the relationship there. i also thought it was really notable the president doubled down on his reference to xi jinping as a dictator. >> no question. >> nobody is arguing the facts here. i mean, this man is, jim was saying before, basically reappointing -- >> president for life. >> yeah. supposed to be a few years. no indication it will be other than life, but the fact of the matter is president biden probably stepped on a good deal of the work that his secretary of state antony blinken did out there this past weekend. the chinese reaction to this has been fierce. >> one thing to note about india as well not only buys a lot of oil from russia, a lot of arms from russia as well. of course, the relationship the u.s. - -- >> they have to be wondering how well those work. >> true. and the reason allowing india to

make high-performance engines. so much to discuss. thank you both. programming note, be sure to watch kristen ahn's full. collusive one-on-one interview with former president barack obama. obama and amanpour. will democracy win? airing tonight 10:00 p.m. only here on cnn. of course, breaking news. the continuing to follow in the search for the missing tourists submersible. u.s. coast guard discovered a debris field on the seafloor in the search area near where the vessel was originally headed. headed to view the "titanic" wreckage site. this is the remote operated vessel that found that it debris field. an update from the u.s. coast guard about these findings in less than an hour. we don't yet know if the debris found is indeed from the "tighten." officials estimated sunday the crew trapped in inside of a hotel from that point of four

days of oxygen. today's day five. officials have sent medical personnel to the site as well as a hyperbaric recompression chamber on the possibility they would be able to bring folks up alive from the vessel under water. cnn's miguel marcus covering this. miguel, another 40 minutes, an important update from the u.s. coast guard. particularly what this debris field could be. what are you hearing where you are? >> reporter: the term "debris field" shot through this community and people who know oceangate who have been on that sub, have done that trip. it wasn't well-received news. it's very, very concerning, the way the coast guard put that, and the other bit is that they wouldn't think -- the coast guard wouldn't put out that information knowing that, the effect it would have on the community. so i think there was hope going

into today. i think that news sends a bit of a shock through the community here that something much more catastrophic may have happened to the individuals onboard that submersible. but all that says, there is a ton of resources just several surface ships, ten surface ships, airplanes, still looking for it. there are rovs or remote operating vehicles to get down to the sea bed now and a lot of sonar out there that maps the "titanic," the area around it, and has done for many years now. they have a pretty good picture of what's there and what's new. that is the concern that people have now, that whatever this is indicates something that is new. they haven't seen before. what is not clear as well is whether they have eyes on it basically and do they have the entirety of the sub?

so they are operating on the assumption, as far as we know, this is still a search and rescue mission, but a possibility that even though they've gone past the 96 hours of air that they were believed to have when they set out on sunday, that if they conserve their ire if they if they slept, if they were very calm, they could keep as much oxygen and prolong the time they could stay down there. so there is perhaps the tiniest sliver of hope, but everybody is waiting to see what the u.s. coast guard says in about 45 minutes or so to see what the latest is with what they found. >> the fact is, we don't know. we don't know. latest information we have, found a debris field and we expect an update on significance of that when we get the press conference top of the hour. miguel marquez in newfoundland. a live picture where we're hear from coast guard rear admiral with an important update.

latest we have, searchers found a debris field around the site where they expected this submersible to be at last contact. hope could get answers question what's that degree bree fields means top of the hour and bring you all we know between now and then as well. please, do stay with us. next time, go to america's best where two pairs and a free, quality eye exam start at jusust $79.95. book an exam tododay at americasbest.com. ♪

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breaking news we're following right now. the u.s. coast guard discovered a debris field near the search area for that submersible vehicle. we have yet to confirm it is debris from "the titan." a press conference just under an hour from now and we'll bring it to you live. now an expert, offshore manager and salvage master for brit tainia's ltd. thanks for being with us. off the bat what's your reaction to hearing a debris field discovered on the seafloor not far from the "titanic" wreckage? >> well, obviously, that's a, you know, a major step forward in being able to find either the

hull or pieces of the hull. i have, i have gotten some information from a little bit of inside sources that states that the debris had been identified, but that's unconfirmed at the moment. >> we want to wait until we here directly from officials to confirm that. we don't yet know from official sources that are saying publicly that that is the case, but nevertheless, given that there is a large debris field already at that site, because of the "titanic," and we know that several expeditions down there left behind equipment what is the process like for identifying and confirming that if the debris found there, whether the debris found there is in fact from the oceangate vessel? >> it actually should be fairly easy. i know -- >> captain martin -- i hate to interrupt you, sir. i want to confirm for you and

viewers, cnn just learned that, in fact, the debris that has been located near the "titanic" wreckage has been confirmed by the u.s. coast guard to be that of the oceangate vessel. as we were speaking about it, our sources confirmed what you had relayed to us earlier. in fact, a positive i.d. what is that process like? take us inside what it's like to figure this out. >> well, if you've seen pictures from underwater vehicles you'll notice that it looks like there's snow dropping through the water column all the time. so any debris that's been on the sea bed for any length of time more than a few weeks is going to get at least a small coating of that snow on it. so anything that's happened in the last couple of days wouldn't have that. that, the fact that the vast majority of the hull of the "titan" is white will reflect in the cameras, in the lights of

the rov. so it should be pretty apparent that it's new debris versus old debris. so, and the two pieces that i, that -- of debris that i have been informed that were found are fairly colored. >> we're confirming the debris discover was some 500 meters from the bow of the "titanic." an enormous area underwater where there are, just horrifying conditions for a human being, obviously. very cold water, very low visibility, zero oxygen. we have to imagine, captain, that the worst has been confirmed. obviously, we haven't heard from officials, but the likelihood of a survivor being down there is, what? >> in reality, probably 1% or

2%. if the debris they found is, in fact, debris that was, that has been relayed to me, it's exterior portions of the pressure hull. so they may have come off when the, when the vehicle impacted the sea bed, and if that's the case, then there is still a possibility that the pressure hull itself is intact. the problem with that is that we estimated at 8:00 this morning that was the end of the 96-hour life support. a lot of experts have talked about that. that's an estimate based on average consumption and if hype thermia put them lethargic or to sleep could have used less and maybe extended that 96 hours, or, you know, some period of hours, a few hours, i would

think, at most. the other problem is, we haven't found the hull yet. and with my calculations, if we were to launch the rov it will take you know, probably two hours to get down there. then you have to lower the crane hook and -- get the -- the recovery sling off of the hull, hook it up to the crane and bring it back up. that's another four hours. so you know, you're looking at seven or eight hours of recovery time. and we're already, you know, six hours, six and a half hours pacht the estimated life support. so i think that the, while it's not something any of us really want to dwell on or think about, you know, the deep submerse v communities is pretty small, we all know each other, talk to each other. i really don't have much hope that there's going to be any rescue, in my personal opinion, this is a recovery at this

point. >> obviously our thoughts are with the families of those five people that went missing aboard the submersible. captain martin, please stand by for a moment. i want to get to cnn's paula newt han has confirmation of these new details. paula, we understand that there is confirmation now from the u.s. coast guard that portions of the external body of the "titan" have been discovered. roughly 500 meetser off the boast of the "titanic" discovered at approximately 8:55 eastern time but the search for the crew continues? >> reporter: yes. really tough news to take in. comes to us from our own priscilla alvarez reporting in a memo obtained by cnn the debris discovered at the search area, as you say is of the missing "titan." key, from the external body of this submersible and the search,

as you say, for the vessel continues. i think given that that canadian ship, the "horizon arctic" was able to bring that remote vehicle to the depth of the "titanic" wreck. as i've explained before, the submersible, titan, went down that water column. tried to go straight down as it could to go see the wreck of the "titanic." the fact as of this morning they were able to get that remote vehicle down there, that is what they knew would give them insight, that exactly at an 1:45 minutes in surmise where the titan had been. went there first to look and apparently that's what they found. i will say that i averaged up to canadian official up to the last hour told me this remained a rescue operation. given what we just heard from our last guest, i asked them, is this now turning into a recovery operation instead? we just have to pause for a moment and understand how difficult this is for the

families who have already been briefed about this. how hard it is for them to take in. especially given the fact ththey knew the expertise, the ceo, was on there. the man who's been called "mr. titanic" down there more than 30 times. the french marian, p.h. nargeolet. they heard noises that could not be explained thought perhaps there was a chance. this tends to indicate that what they are being told by the u.s. coast guard, this debris who been found. there is still a lot more to do here in terms of to find this submersible and understand exactly what happened. again, we continue to reach out to canadian officials and i will say the transportation safety board here in canada would be in charge of any investigation and at the ready and again deployed so many assets there in terms of recovery. they will be able hopefully to give those families what they need, which is information and peace of mind.

>> it has been an extraordinary effort, all hands on deck to try to give these families information as they deal with such a difficult process, first learning that their loved ones are missing. now hearing this news. paula, please, stand by for us. we're, of course, going to stay on top of this story. again, breaking flus. there is confirmation debris located near the wreckage site of the "titanic" confirmed to be from the exterior hull of the oceangate titan vessel. news officials preparing for a news briefing top of the hour. us coast guard at 3:00 p.m. we'll cover it live and continue to follow all the breaks details right here on "cnn news central." a plplus is a multitar supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the suby app today.

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debris discovered now assessed toish from the external body of the "titan" as that submersible is known. cnn's plea ge marquez joins us now. miguel we learned a couple hours there was a debris field. now we know that debris is assessed to be from this and discovered on the ocean floor just off the bow of the "titanic." what are searchers telling you there in newfoundland? >> reporter: well, we have some news that's just come through on email, jim, that is rather unfortunate. a statement from oceangate itself saying that we now believe that our ceo stockton rush, shahzada and his son

suleman lost. xporers shared adventure and a deep pax for protecting the world's oceans. our hearts are with these five souls and all family members we grieve the loss and joy they brought to everyone they knew. the statement goes on for a bit. our own priscilla alvarez obtained information from a government memo indicating those parts they had found earlier were about 500 feet from the bow of the "titanic." and that the assessment from individuals at oceangate i've been chatting with today indicated that if it was from their vessel, that it indicated a catastrophic failure of that vessel, and that unfortunately they were lost. this is dangerous stuff that they do. it is adventuresome i'm sure,

but you were talking about depths of just thousands of pounds per square inch down there, and everything has to be absolutely right with every single mission, no matter how experienced they are. these things can go wrong, and people who do these missions certainly understand that they take break risk in doing this for the joy and the interest of discovery. but oceangate confirming right now that those five individuals are dead. the, it is not clear they have found the entirety of the craft but have found parts of it, indicating to people at oceangate that the craft did not survive whatever initial event occurred there. jim? >> miguel do we know that's certainly, that's news, and sad news for the operator of this vessel to confirm that the five onboard are dead, and we have pictures up on the wall here of the five of them.

hamish harding, suleman dawood and shazshahzada, and paul-henr nargeolet and stockton rush. is there new information about the wreckage seen on the floor that gives them confidence those onboard did not survive? or are they surmising from seeing some pieces of the wreckage there that, therefore, the capsule did fnot survive those depths? >> reporter: they are surmising that, because of the wreckage they have found that the ca cape itself would not have survived. must have been a catastrophic failure at the moment of the event, and that then led to the debris field which has, you know -- the -- the depths and the, and the pressure put on capsuled like that is stunning when you start to talk to these people about just how difficult it is to do this and how technical it is.

and -- so i, i think once they were able to confirm that those parts were, in fact, from the "titan" sub, and even if they haven't found the capsule, because of the nature of the parts that they have found they realize that -- that the rest of the sub is gone and lost. jim? >> miguel, thanks so much for sharing that important and that sad update, if you're just joining us. miguel sharing a statement from the operator of this submersible saying, sharing the sad news that they now believe all five onboard, the "titan" have been lost, and there they are. faces of the five men. joining us now former royal navy captain ryan ramsey. so we're getting this information as it comes in. the first update short time ago was that they spotted debris on the ground, on the ocean floor, i should say. several hundred meters off the bow of the "titanic." pieces of the exterior of the

submarine. i wonder based on what we know, why would then seeing pieces of the exterior, the sort of outer portion of it, give them confidence that the capsule itself had not survived those depths? it suffered what they describe as a catastrophic failure? >> reporter: yeah. so i think the capsule is one part of it. so you'd expect it all to be joined up together and agree with catastrophic failure looks like resulted in implosion, which is quick, very quick. then all the parts disappearing down to the sea bed. very tragic for the families and my thoughts go out to them. the only positive of this is that the end was quick. >> let me? you this. there were a lot of acoustic assets in the water searching for the sub presumably up to the moment it was found including

naval aircraft, designed to listen to submarines. in -- in circumstances of war. highly sensitive equipment. if there was a catastrophic implosion of the submarine presumably you would hear that? right? as it took place, unless, of course it happened sometime ago. right? before the search was taking place? perhaps at the moment it disappeared? >> agree. i think very much that's probably what happened. so communications were lost and then there was a catastrophic failure, then result in the the implosion. which is why the naval aircraft didn't detect anything when they conducted they are searches and neith der they detect anything on the surface because they were looking -- >> and this, listen, we heard these, these indications of banging sounds, or sounds that could be banging. they were never determined that the coast guard made clear

weren't certain what the sounds were and raised possibility those sounds were not related to this. again, i'm putting you in an uncomfortable position because we're learning this information as it comes in. you're saying it's possible that that catastrophic failure took place far earlier in this process here? >> i believe so. just based on the information i've heard so far. but it's going to take, you know, a long investigation, recovery of some of the debris to put it all together and work out exactly much as they can what happened. >> let me ask you before i let you go. now an effort presumably maritime, now an effort to recover the debris perhaps human remains, it's difficult to recover anything at those depths, certainly folks who might have survived an event such as this, can you recover things? i suppose they've been going to the "titanic" wreck and bringing some things up, so it's possible for the sake of investigation,

for the sake of, again, if this is where we are, the sake of the possibility of collecting remains, that can be done from the sea floor at 12,500 feet? >> i think the remote operating vehicles are able to pick up some of the debris and bring that back to the surface. i don't know the full capabilities but rovs can do some of that. the importance of bringing the debris back up is significant because the whole community needs to learn the lessons from this and make sure it never happens again. >> they need to know what happened, whether there were any weaknesses in the craft itself they can learn from and prevent similar accidents noourts. ryan ramsey, former royal navy captain, thanks for joining us and sharing your expertise. if you are just joining us now, of course, the news we heard there from our miguel marquez, a statement from the operator of the submersible that the operator now believes the five men on board were lost. boris, it's sad news to report

this afternoon. >> it is what we've been fearing for several days. major breaking news, oceangate, again, says they believe that individuals on the "titan" have sadly been lost. jason carroll is at the coast guard headquarters in boston where a press conference is set to take place in just a few minutes. jason, obviously, the major question is how this happened, and we can anticipate there will be a very thorough investigation ahead? >> without question. and these are just some of the questions that we're waiting to ask rear admiral john mauger as he is about to take to the podium here in just a few minutes from now, but i want to read just a little bit more from the statement from oceangate. they also went on to say this is an extremely sad time for our dedicated employees who are exhausted and grieving deeply over this loss. the entire oceangate family is deeply grateful for the countless men and women from

multiple organizations of the international community who took place in this search. again, this all sort of changing tone a little earlier today when we got the tweet which had basically said that debris had been found near the "titanic," the debris found about 500 meters from the bow of the "titanic" on the ocean floor. this happening at about 8:55 a.m. this morning. how was it found? it was found by the rovs, those remotely operated vehicles that we've been talking about so much over the past 48 hours or so. they are equipped with cameras. they're equipped with robotic arms, so they're able to photograph. they are also able to lift and retrieve. so now, as you were saying, come the many questions, how did this happen? could this have been prevented? as you very well know from cnn's reporting, there have been a number of questions in the past

about oceangate, about the "titan," about its structure, about its hull, what it was made of. in fact, you know, there were two former employees who had expressed great concerns about the integrity of the hull, so these will be many, many questions that are sure to be answered in the coming days. for now, we are awaiting that press conference that is about to get under way in just a few moments from now. >> and jason, obviously, the effort out there some several hundreds miles from the canadian coast, an unprecedented one, an all hands on deck effort. have we heard anything from officials on how much longer the process might take to recover whatever they discovered at the bottom of the ocean there? >> reporter: yeah. very good question, and given the complexities which they've already explained about, about what you have to do to, a, get

so far down beneath the surface, some 2 miles, this is where the "titanic" is located, you know, is a dark and desolate area, but it's an area that's been well mapped in the past. now, since they've found some of this debris, perhaps then they'll be able to triangulate that area from where they found debris and be able to conduct sort of a finite search around that particular area. again, these are just one of the many questions that we have to ask the rear admiral and the other officials who will be here for this briefing. >> jason, please standby. again, that briefing starting in just minutes, so we look forward to getting some answers then. right now we want to turn to paula newton who is in halifax, nova scotia for us. this news has to be devastating for family members that had been awaiting, perhaps, a miracle, very difficult odds given the conditions where this vessel was headed, but there was still

hope, especially after reports that there was some sounds in the area, what some described as banging, but, unfortunately, confirmation from oceangate that they believe the worst has taken place? >> reporter: yeah. it had to be so difficult for the families after you say, boris, having that hope, having heard those sounds. they had such belief in their family members and why, because all of them incurable explorers who believed in this kind of innovation. just to remind everyone, of course, there is the ceo of oceangate expeditions, stockton rush, who knew so much about this vehicle, families, of course, resting on his expertise, paul-henri nargeolet, nicknamed mr. titanic had been down there so many times and enjoyed going down to that deep depth more than two miles

beneath the surface and then, of course, the father and son, right, suleman, the son, 19-year-old, suleman dawood, and his father, shahzada dawood, who were really looking forward to this adventure together, and then hamish harding, who had been literally, boris, out to outer space just last year and now to the depths of the sea. an incurable explorer who believed in this mission and was really looking forward to it and posted on social media about it just in the hours before he submerged in that "titan" vehicle. again, the families have already been spoken to by officials. they understood that when that remote operated vehicle went down this morning, that was their best shot of really learning today if they were close to that "titanic" wreck and tragically they learned that indeed their family members were there. i will say, there is likely a measure of peace and

understanding that they're not just lost now, that they understand that there was this catastrophic event and that at this point in time, the family, after they can mourn their loss, will, obviously, be looking for answers. i know we've had guests on talk about the explorer community of which these family and friends of these five passengers were clearly also interested, and for that reason, as our guests have said, the investigation becomes very important. the national transportation safety board here in canada will be in charge of that investigation. we have reached out to them, and again, with so much salvage equipment out there, they will likely be looking to send more crews, more robotic vehicles, down there to the depths to be able to retrieve just as much debris as they can. the families keenly watching all those developments as well. >> paula, please standby. again that press briefing set to start in about 2 minutes so we will get back to you. we do want to bring in tom detswhiler, an ocean explorer

and ocean operations and engineering consultant. he was also a close friend of mr. titanic, paul-henri, one of the five people on board this vessel. sir, first and foremost, my condolences in hearing the news that your friend is believed to have perished in what appears to be a catastrophic accident. i'm wondering how you're feeling right now? what thoughts are going through your mind? >> thank you. we -- i think all experts who know anything about this issue, this problem, had this in the back of their mind starting sunday. it is -- it was probably the most likely event, and i think the only thing i can think about is that it was an instantaneous event and there was no suffering, which would not have been the case had they been stuck in a very cold environment, wondering whether

rescuers were going to reach them or not. there's some condolence there. the other thing is that "titanic" became a very important part of p.h.'s life and i don't think he would consider it an unnecessarily bad place to be buried. >> tom, i do want to ask you to standby for a moment. again, we are awaiting a press briefing from the u.s. coast guard. we understand that they are at the podium now. >> thank you for joining us now. this afternoon, rear admiral john mauger will be providing an update on the most recent findings from rov operations in search of the "titan" submersible. he will provide a brief statement and provide the opportunity for questions after. please limit your questions to one per outlet. following the briefing, the joint information center staff and i will be here to help you with any of your further needs. may i please introduce rear admiral john mauger.