>> it was surprising how quickly they started the process. that suggested two things. the special counsel's office, they are only working on this case. they have another investigation. when it comes to prosecution, this is the only thing they have to focus on. it also suggests they don't expect any chance of a plea deal from the former president. they would wait to begin the discovery process. i know the special counsel has said publicly he wants to push for a speedy trial which translates to a trial before the election. the former president has every reason to want to push this until after the election. that will be a key tension. >> thank you very much. thank you very much for watching. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront , next, catastrophe at sea.

questions remain as we are just learning that a top-secret u.s. navy system heard the submersible implode. an experimental vessel is how the doomed suv is described with the oceangate liability agreement. what exactly is the submersible, what is a submersible? is that what ultimately sealed its fate? remembering the five passengers, humans on board, friends and family of the explorers join us next. let's go out front. in evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, a catastrophic implosion. the coast guard confirming that debris from the titan submersible has been found near the wreckage of the titanic. >> the remote operating vehicle has been searching and it is highly capable. we have been able to classify part of the pressure chamber for the titan submersible. the debris field is consistent

with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel. >> the mystery tonight is what caused that catastrophic explosion. we use the word implosion, talking about heavy pressure here. the implosion is what would occur underwater like that. the wall street journal first reporting that it was so powerful the top-secret navy underwater microphones picked up the sound coming from the other side of the titanic. officials are saying it does not appear that the implosion was in any way because of an actual run in with the titanic debris field itself. >> it is in an area where there is not any debris of the titanic. it is a smooth bottom. to my knowledge and anything i have seen, there was no titanic wreckage in that area. >> outfront, a liability experience that the passengers would have had to sign. we know from others who have

done this. it reads in part -- it is a three page document. one key line makes a lot clearer here. it says, i have been informed about the nature of the operation and the risks it presents including when diving below the ocean surface. this vessel will be subject to extreme pressure. any failure of the vessel while i am a board could cause severe injury or death. if you are going down on this, you will read these three pages. it is a sobering thing. that form goes on to mention the word depth seven more times in a three page document. tonight, oceangate is releasing a statement about the five victims who did die which reads in part, these men were true explorers who share a distinct passion for exploring and protecting the world's oceans. one of the explorers, as you see on your screen now -- these are the five men who died. paul-henri nargeolet is a french deep-sea explorer . he has been down to the titanic debris field 35 times. in a now haunting interview,

nargeolet spoke about what would happen if his submersible were to get stuck at the titanic wreckage site . >> if you are in the sub and nothing is running anymore, making some heat. it is very cold. after a while, you will die because of the cold, which is not a bad way to die because you fall asleep. you don't suffer. we know that. we know things could happen. it never comes to our head. >> sobering words from nargeolet. it appears perhaps that these five men did not suffer, depending on the nature of this implosion. in a moment, i will speak to paul-henri nargeolet 's stepson. first, i want to go to jason carol who is live in boston. what is the latest you are hearing from officials tonight about what happened and why and

when? >> reporter: the u.s. coast guard says that those remotely operated vehicles are going to continue their search, their map of the ocean floor where the debris was found to see if quite possibly anything else can be found down there. now come the questions, why it happened and could this have been prevented? >> this morning, an rov, or remote operated vehicle, from the vessel horizon arctic, discovered the tail cone of the titan submersible approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor. the debris is consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. >> reporter: four days after it was first reported missing, the u.s. coast guard confirming the worst about the titan submersible, a catastrophic explosion resulting in the loss of life of all five on board.

>> we found five different major pieces of debris that told us that it was remains of the titan. the initial thing we found was the nose cone, which was outside of the pressure hull . we then found a large debris field. >> reporter: admiral john longer confirmed the families of the crew were immediately notified and briefed. >> the our obs will remain on scene and continue to gather information. we are still working to develop the details for the timeline involved with this casualty and the response. >> reporter: a spokesperson for research services confirmed to cnn it was their rov, remotely operated vehicle, that found the debris field near the titanic. the complex search and rescue mission has attracted international attention garnering assistance from the

u.s., canada, france, and the united kingdom. in the last 24 hours, search efforts have accelerated over the massive area, twice the size of connecticut for the missing vessel is officials fear the 96 hour oxygen supply was running out. >> the outpouring of support in this highly complex search operation has been immensely appreciated. >> reporter: the titan lost its communication one hour and 45 minutes into its excursion on sunday to a site at the titanic wreckage. the five passengers, british businessman hamish harding, ceo of oceangate stockton rush, pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his teenage son suleman dawood , french explorer paul-henri nargeolet on board confined to a small area the size of a minivan. the u.s. coast guard says the search for those on board will continue. >> this is an incredibly

unforgiving environment down there. the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel. we will continue to work and continue to search the area down there but i don't have an answer for a prospect at this time. >> now, comes some of the statements from the families of those that were on board. the dawood family releasing a statement thanking everyone who was involved in the search effort, also thinking well- wishers from all over the world. they are saying that all of those well-wishers have really helped them get through this very trying time. of course, hamish harding's family also releasing a statement, calling him an inspiration and a living legend.

>> thank you very much. i want to go now to ben castling, the wall street journal reporter. ben, you broke this story about this top-secret military acoustic detection system. the us navy has and heard the submersible implosion, possibly. they suspect at the time it may have been of the titan. what exactly did they hear and when? >> around the same time that the titan lost communications, the navy picked up what they thought was an implosion. it turns out it was likely the titan. this happened on sunday just a few hours after the titan's launch and well ahead of all the search and rescue efforts that happened since then. the navy won't specify what exactly the audio system was that picked it up but the u.s. navy does maintain a robust underwater microphone array that can pick up enemy submarines or any kind of threats to the homeland. one of the questions that has come up since then is, if the

navy reported this just hours after the event happened on sunday, why did the search and rescue continue? the search and rescue continued because they could not be 100% sure that what they heard was the implosion of the titan. >> right. then there was the banging and things like that. how would they have picked that up? what is the acoustic system used for? >> the acoustic system is used for detecting enemy submarines off the coast of the united states. it has been around since the 50s, really. some of the banging that has been reported, not sure if that banging happened or if there was background noise that was picked up. >> at that point, there were so many vessels in the area, i can imagine it would be confusing. obviously, they noah's signals mean. thank you very much. as i said, ben breaking this crucial story. it does create not catastrophic but it happened early and perhaps no suffering. that is the crucial thing. i want to go now to chris

lemmons, a deep-sea diver who was once trapped on the ocean floor, jeff hager is a retired navy commander and frank owen, retired australian navy submarine commander and a project director for submarine escape and rescue. thank you all very much for joining me with your expertise. obviously the feeling today that this would and differently. you heard ben's reporting at the wall street journal that the top-secret u.s. military acoustic detection system picked up an implosion sound right when they lost communications, one hour 45 minutes in. what does that tell you about what happened here? >> thank you, erin. one of the things your listeners will be surprised to learn is that we mapped more of distant planets and the moon then we have our own ocean floor. in other words, it is the last unexplored frontier. for that reason, it is very important for military operations because it is one of the last truly clandestine to

operating domains. as we have heard, this is an important area to listen and try to detect for foreign activity. the hydrophones, the capabilities will be very sensitive and obviously classified. however, the implosion of a hole such as the titan will be a violent, almost explosive phenomenon. it will register for those very sensitive hydrophones. at the same time, it is a very dynamic environment. the acoustics of the under sea environment are very dynamic and very complex. i imagine, even with the best acoustic admissions that the navy has, there was still some uncertainty as to what they were hearing, where it was occurring, and so forth. >> they did continue looking. it was not because they were not sharing information. they were not fully sure. commander owen, based on what

we have learned today, what do you think actually happened to the titan? >> you are really asking me to speculate at this point. i have heard an interview from james cameron who has broken his silence on this. james has far more experience than me going to the bottom of the ocean. he went to the bottom of the mariana trench. when he did that, he was in a ceramic vehicle designed and built in australia but that is just by the by. he is reported that there is strong evidence that they had dumped their clump weights which are the disposable weights to give them buoyancy. this would be his speculation that it started to delaminate. they had strain gauges to

provide instant measurement of the strain on the hull but this is not like metal that deforms and then has elastic recovery. if carbon fiber goes, it goes. it is unforgiving. >> right. you don't get warning enough to do anything. >> chris, you have been stuck deep underwater, tethering you to the ship got caught and detached. i will show you so everyone can see. i will understand a sense of how we are giving. the moment the rov, which now found the debris field here for the titan -- when the rov found you, you were unconscious lying there. based on your own experience with recovery underwater and is being 10,000+ feet further down now, how difficult is the recovery process going to be?

when they try to retrieve the bodies of the people on board? >> it will be very tricky. it depends on how far they are prepared to go. the reality is that once they got the rov's down, they are able to located relatively quickly. they are extremely capable vehicles. there is no reason why they would not be able to collect whatever debris is down there and bring it back for examination. as was suggested, the fact that the hull was catastrophically imploded , would have been extremely violent act and therefore, what is left is likely to be very minimal both of the sub itself but also of the occupants. we were full of hope yesterday. today we are full of sympathy

and are sorry for the families involved. >> sympathy and sorrow. commander owen, you mentioned that this was not made of ceramic. this was not made of metal. this was made of carbon. could anything have been done to prevent this tragedy? i should note that this very titan had been up and down to the titanic many times. >> yes. when it fails, it fails. the things that could be done -- i think it would be a strong push for many. it could provide this engineering overview such as the american bureau of fishing. there is a number of them operating in this space. they are used by organizations that have corporate responsibility, corporate policies that require they take

the risks and understand what they are done. you can't impose this regulatory environment on an individual organization that will operate in the high seas and is deliberately defining to take on the risk itself. you have an oil and gas industry that says if we suffer a loss -- they call this loss management, not safety. if they have a loss like this, it causes loss in production and therefore they want to do anything they can. they won't have backup systems. they will have other ways to do it. >> commander, obviously you have been a sub operator, u.s. navy commander. does this change what happens? does this exploration still

continue? will people still go down and these things? does this fundamentally and forever change? >> this is the last great unexplored frontier and people will be drawn to this environment for these reasons. i do think it also reflects on the professionalism of the recovery and rescue crews that convened out in the middle of the ocean. the tragic outcome was not what we were all hoping for but that does not mean it was an unsuccessful search and rescue operation. it really put the coast guard's incredible professionalism on display and it was something to behold. >> they found it quickly. we still have not found others. thank you all very much. i appreciate your time. new details about how the titan was constructed and choice of materials used. did that ultimately doomed the submersible? we are talking about the carbon hull. plus, the pilot was a descendent of passengers on the

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tonight, as crews searched for the bodies of the five people killed in the catastrophic implosion of the titan submersible, chilling words coming to light in the liability waiver for passengers of the sub. we obtained that waiver here out front from someone who has been on that titan sub. it says in part, quote, the experiment the submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and may be constructed of materials that have not been widely used in human occupied submersibles. that is indeed the case for the titan. let's go to tom foreman who was outside at the magic wall. it appears that what this submersible -- it is very crucial. can you show was what was found and why that immediately meant that the people inside had perished from a catastrophic implosion? >> sure. this was presented by a sleek model of simplicity, a smooth tube inside where people could

see right out onto the to tannic from a big window out there. unbelievable views. what did they find that made such a difference here? when they were investigating, the first thing they found was this tale covering back here. then they found this nose covering down here and then they found a similar one which was hidden underneath this. that told them that the tube itself was open on both ends and that alone assures them, even without finding any other evidence, nobody could have possibly survived. >> in terms of what it was made of, they talk about it in their own right and dimity that they showed that it was experimental. what was so experimental about the titan? it with ink that all deep-sea subs are in some way experimental. >> they are all unique. this one was very unusual. it had a carbon fiber body here, a tube.

the ends were titanium, titanium down here. then it had that big viewing port down here. also, the fact that it is constructed as a tube, not as a round vessel all the way around like many deep-sea vessels are. all of that presented potential failure points at the glass up here -- the plastic up here, at this joint here, at this joint here and along the sides of this tube. all of that, very experimental compared to what people knew before. of course, as you know, many questions about the testing of it. did they do something unusual in the testing that made it even more experimental? >> obviously, carbon fiber uses the totally opposite pressure situation and airplanes. this is the opposite. tom, if people can talk about a, armchair critics, everybody is pushing theories now. many of them very smart but no one knows. will investigators prove what

happened? >> you mentioned airplanes. it will be like that. what they will try to do is the very same rovers that they used to send down, to bring this up, to find the first pieces, they will send rovers like that down to try to collect all they can. that would be the normal procedure, as many pieces as they can of it and bring it back up. like they did with an era plane, they, in effect, will try to reconstruct the vessel as it was to see if that gives them clues as to where the failure happened that proved fatal to everyone on board. i will tell you this, erin, at this level of pressure, the engineering of this is such that the failure could have started with something as small as a pinprick. could have been incredibly small but with this pressure, the mechanical expanding of that would have been extraordinarily fast. >> as they say, no warning in the carbon fiber as you might get with some metal construction. thank you very much. i want to go out to greg stone, the cheap ocean scientist. he also knows stockton rush, the ceo of oceangate who had

done so much with this engineering and was on the submersible. first, i want to ask you about the titan but i am so sorry for you for the loss of your friend who had ingeniously built this, had taken these risks that he thought made sense. i know that you say you and stockton rush were kindred spirits. what made him so special to you? >> he was a bright, energetic curious man with a mission to expand our ability to explore the ocean and to democratize it in such ways by coming up with a new paradigm for deep diving with submarines. there are technical details about different designs and he was combining recent advances in material science with existing technologies to make the submarine larger and easier to use. it is a very tragic thing. he was very passionate. he did not build it to run

trips to the titanic. that was something that was just going on at this point in the development of his endeavor. he was building it to give humanity more access to the ocean, to learn about the ocean and learn about our planet and help us manage all the changes that are going on. >> explaining that motive to people is important. it is the truth. obviously you have studied this because as a cheap ocean scientist with these sorts of things, you have done thousands of dives yourself. i know from the very beginning that you thought this was a catastrophic implosion just based on your experience. obviously we are talking about this carbon fiber hull. what made you think this from the beginning? >> just hearing the basic facts, communication and then a sudden drop off of the

communication, nothing rising up, no emergency beacons. it just sounded to me like it was a catastrophic implosion. the only other ways people have died in these submarine operations is usually by getting entangled in something and then they get cold, the air runs out, they get hypothermic and then they expire in this way. the pressure implosions are unusual. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> you bet. >> next, paul-henri nargeolet was known as mr. titanic. he was one of the five passengers inside the titan. he visited the titanic wreckage site at least 35 times. he was an expert. he did know what he was doing. his stepson is my guest. plus, i will speak to a doctor

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first, nick watt is out front with a look at how this happened and stockton rush, the ceo who was there. >> all the let down here can be dropped in an emergency see can get to the surface. >> reporter: stockton rush, risk taker, and blood pressure, explorer. >> he is one of the most magnetic men i have ever met. i love calling him the last of the great american dreamers. >> reporter: his widow windy is the great, great granddaughter of a couple who went down with the titanic. their fictional selves appeared in james cameron's movie which only heighten the global fascination with the dramatic demise of the liner that had been hailed unsinkable. rush first took titan, his experimental submersible, down to the wreckage in 2021. >> if you are casting a submarine commander in a soap opera, you would use him. there is such an easy parallel. he was bold and dynamic and

sort of commanding. he wanted to boldly go where no one has gone before. >> reporter: his attitude toward strict rules and regulations according to his many interviews, they stifle innovation. >> i would like to be remembered as an innovator. it was general macarthur who said you are remembered for the rules you break. i have broken some rules to make this. i think i have broken them with logic and good engineering. >> reporter: before taking us to another treacherous wreck in 2018, he said this. >> we always have a number of divers who tell us you can do this. it is dangerous if you are a diver. we look at submarines of being an armored vehicle. >> reporter: rush was no wild eyed amateur. he graduated princeton with a degree in aerospace engineering and then worked on the f-15 program as a flight test engineer. he founded oceangate in 2009. >> at some point, safety is

pure waste. if you want to be safe, don't get out of bed. don't get in your car. don't do anything. some point, you will take a risk. i think i can do this just as safely by breaking the rules. >> reporter: onboard titan last november, he explained his maverick methods to cbs news. >> we can use these off-the- shelf components. >> we run the whole thing with this game controller. >> reporter: as a child, rush dreamed of going into space. >> he wanted to be an astronaut. when he did not become an astronaut, he set his sights down below. he called it the deep disease in an interview with smithsonian magazine and said he explored the deep for the future of humanity. >> if we trash this planet, the best lifeboat for mankind is underwater. >> stockton rush was born into a wealthy california family. he was a lifelong swashbuckling adventurer but he was not just there for the glamour and the glory. he got his hands dirty.

during the development of titan, rush was the chief test pilot . i have just been messaging with guillermo sunman who was his cofounder, the cofounder of oceangate. guillermo told me that for the maiden mission, guillermo offered to go down as the copilot. stockton rush said no , he did not want to risk the lives of anybody else on that test mission. listen, he spent a life of hijinks up in the air, under the ocean. his luck finally ran out at age 61. >> thank you very much. it is sobering. it does give you a sense that this was not something they did for tourists. this was done out of a deep passion, a commitment and a passion to explore and to map the bottom of the whole earth. paul-henri nargeolet had been doing this -- he was known as mr. titanic, 35 times down to

the titanic, a person from exploring the ocean was an area of deep passion. he was also on board and his stepson john paschall joins me now. i am so sorry for your loss , just hearing about your stepfather over these past few days from so many who knew him and worked with him, saying at least he is down there. if they are trying to conserve that last air, he would know what to do. there was no one else they would rather be down there with. what do you want the world to know about your stepfather? >> first off, thank you for having me. it is so easy to look at the accomplishments he has done under the surface, right? in terms of everywhere he has gone. it is an incredible list and frankly, it would take multiple shows on cnn to encompass everything. there is so much more to ph, as we know him. he was an incredible stepfather to me. stepfathers are sometimes a difficult situation. right? you want to be respectful of everyone in the family and you

don't want to shake things up. he was that and more. he was such a big part of my life when i met him, until his last day. we always kept in touch. i was planning on seeing him in a couple of weeks. i had seen him in may. he meant so much. he was so caring. an incredible sense of humor too. anyone who meets him knew that he was a prankster. he had so many great jokes, so many great stories. we could spend all night talking and listening to everything he has done in his life. >> talk about him in your life. i know that you met him in high school. it was your freshman year of high school and you shared a couple pictures with us of you and him, one from 2016 when he became a u.s. citizen. obviously, an important moment. you say he was very proud of that. then, at your college graduation in 2014. he drove with your mom across the country to get there to see you. tell me more about that moment.

>> yeah. that moment will forever stand out to me. my mom and ph were planning on flying out to my graduation in chicago. i believe it was the night before the ceremony and, unfortunately, due to weather, their flight got canceled and they could not rebook until sometime later in the afternoon and they would have missed the ceremony completely. i am an only child. this was a huge moment for my mom. we were graduating from the same school. she was completely devastated watching the flight got canceled. well, here comes commander nargeolet and they hop into their small, blue mini cooper and they drive 16 hours across the country from connecticut to chicago, drive through the night. i am quite certain that he did a lot of the driving. they showed up with one hour to spare for graduation. they made it there. at that time, my mom was very

sick of cancer and met so much to me that she could be there for that moment. that is something i will never forget about him. >> it shows the quality of the human being that he was. i know that the exploration was a passion for him, right? nearly 35 dives to the titanic alone, 5000 artifacts he oversaw the recovery of. i know that he obviously told you weeks ago he would be going on this trip and nothing would ever seem routine in doing this but something that you have done 35 times, you knew what he was doing. did you ever worry? did you worry every time that something like this could happen? had it become sort of that this is just what he does. >> yeah. i think that is how i approached it. he was just so comfortable in the water, so comfortable in the submersibles. i believe he has been in even smaller submersibles than this before going down deep into the deepest hearts of the ocean. not once did i ever worry and ask about any safety

precautions or anything. i trusted him. as much of a risk taker as he is, as you have to be being a deep-sea explorer, i know that he would be very careful in terms of the positions he would put himself in. once i found out about this trip, i never thought i needed to do any kind of safety check with him. i trusted that everything would be okay. >> i appreciate your taking the time and telling that story of him driving the blue mini cooper will certainly stick with me and i hope with many. thank you for sharing a little bit of him and i am sorry for your great loss. >> thank you. i appreciate it. next, our coverage continues. i will speak to a doctor who specializes in treating patients with these extreme conditions like this. why he said that the passengers here likely did not suffer. ukraine says russia is planning to launch a terrorist attack at the largest nuclear power plant in europe. sleep betttter, live purple. save up to $800 off mattress sets

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down there but i don't have an answer perez prospect at this time. >> outfront now, a specialist in treating patients in extreme conditions and deep-sea divers. he is also a hyperbaric medicine expert that memorial university in st. john's newfoundland. obviously newfoundland, you may have found a different story to be talking about today. we all had hoped it would be that way but i want to start here with the implosion. catastrophic implosion. everyone has been thinking for days, these people are suffering and fear, trying to preserve the oxygen, trying to survive for rescue but now they are saying this catastrophic implosion likely led to the deaths of the five people on board. what you think happened? >> honestly, once the implosion occurred, there would have been

a very, very rapid increase in pressure that these individuals were exposed to. that would have had two main effects. the pressure of the nitrogen actually has a very powerful narcotic, an anesthetic. anyone who is a diver knows that the deeper you go, the more narcotic and impaired you get just from the nitrogen in the air. it would have been a very rapid increase in the nitrogen pressure in the peoples' brain and it would have been like a massive anesthetic overdose to be honest. it would have been instant loss of consciousness for that reason. the second thing that would have happened is that all of the body cavities and spaces that contained air, they would have been crushed instantaneously from the massive pressure. at that depth, we are talking about 360 atmospheres. all of the air spaces would have basically been crushed flat very, very quickly. what are the consequences of that? the chest cavity itself would

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coming or no? >> you have to wonder if there was some kind of structural failure going on, whether they might have heard some creaking or cracking. i think that is possible but once the structure was breached, that massive pressure, up to 360 atmospheres, the inrush of water would have been extremely fast. at that pressure, the gas would be so dense that they would be unable to breathe it in. in any case, the narcotic effect of the nitrogen would have instantaneously made them unconscious and their chest would have been crushed stayed away and they would've had cardiac arrest no question. >> thank you so much. i appreciate that. sobering and sorrowful but we can all next, much more on the search for answers in the implosion of the titan. plus ukraine now claiming russia is planning to launch a terrorist attack at the largest nuclear power plant in europe. nuclear power plant. and another republican candidate jumping in the race to beat

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also tonight, former congressman and cia officer will hurd becoming the latest republican to jump in the 2024 race. hurd is a frequent critic of donald trump, though he voted against trump's first impeachment. but for now let's look at our numbers from harry enten. it is an uphill climb for hurd. and by the way for most other candidates to top trump for the nomination. harry is out front now. harry, for anyone looking to beat trump, and they're all at sort of very, very low numbers with the exception of ron desantis, who has failed to gain. >> yes. >> what are the biggest comebacks in the history of presidential primaries? >> yeah, i think that this graphic sort of gives you an understanding of what an uphill climb these candidates have who are not named donald trump. if you look at the biggest comebacks, george mcgovern had the biggest one back in 1972. you can see he came back from a 28-point deficit. the only other two that were 15 points or above were obama who came back from a 15-point deficit and jimmy carter who came back from an 18-point deficit in '76. and what i should point out, with the exception of desantis

none of those candidates besides him are anywhere close to the biggest comebacks ever. >> right. if you gave them those percentages they wouldn't get there. >> they wouldn't get there. >> so it was not long ago there were just a few republicans running, a handful, right? everybody took a while to get in. everyone was waiting to see what would happen with trump, whether he'd start to fade. how unusual is it to have this many people, i mean, a lot, when you have someone who is so far ahead? >> it's very unusual. the only two other candidates who are not incumbents who are polling about 50% in the primary at this point were al gore back in 2000 and hillary clinton back in 2016. and if you look at the number of candidates who were in the races back then it was six in 2016 and two in 2000. we're up to 12 now. that's more than one side of a football team. the offense is 11 players. so we are beyond that. this is very unusual. and it's just not anything i've seen before. >> it is really amazing. we're in such unprecedented territory. so let's talk about desantis because he's the only one where if you actually gave those numbers could at least

theoretically, right? pass trump. is having this large field of competitors helping or hurting right now? when you put all of it together. when it comes to trump. i guess if you add them all together. >> if you add them all together, look, you can't just add them all together and face them up against trump because trump is going to win some of those people who are voting for ron desantis. but if you do look at the polling that matches up trump against the entire field versus trump just versus desantis you do see when you only poll trump and desantis trump's lead does fall by eight points. so it does seem to me that trump is being helped by this larger field. if the race does in fact get closer than it is right now, i think that desantis would very much like those other republicans to get out of the race. >> yeah. well, we'll see what happens. all right. thanks very much, harry enten. >> thank you. >> and thanks very much to all of you for being with us. "ac 360" starts now. and good evening from st. john's, newfoundland. a sad and