the effort turns to recovering debris from the "titan" submersible from the ocean floor as the investigators are saying that retrieving that vital piece of evidence is incredibly complex. and a key focus for the officials is to put together a

time line of the deep sea tragedy and what led to the catastrophe. a major win for president biden as the supreme court makes a ruling. we are live with that and much more right here on cnn "news central." we all want to know why the oceangate submersible suddenly imploded and killing everyone on board. the answers may be on the ocean floor as there is a search for the debris. some believe that it suffered a catastrophic implosion which is a sudden inward collapse of the vessel due to the tremendous pressure on the "titan" due to the depths. they say it would have happened in a fraction of a millisecond, and for example by the time you count to one, it would have

already happened. one expert says that no one inside would have realized that there was a problem before the deaths. the u.s. navy says that sunday, they detected a sound consistent with a implosion, but it was not definitive at that time, and five major pieces of debris have been located, but experts say it is unlikely that any bodies will be recovered. cnn national correspondent miguel marquez is there in newfoundland. thank you for joining us. you have been there for so long, and what do you feel it is like there now that we know that they will not have the bodies to be recovered? >> it is real sense of mourning here, as people are bringing flowers to various areas of the park here. and they are awaiting the

arrival of the "polar prince" the mothers ship of the "titan" that dropped it off of the skids to get down to the "titanic." there was real, real hope, and even if it was minor, and everybody knew that the stakes here and the ris rks, and there was hope that they might find them alive, and that is what this enormous search and rescue effort was undertaking. the effort in the event that they survived whatever event happened there, and underwater and icy conditions running out of oxygen, and pitch black, that sort of stuff of nightmares was certainly driving a lot of the hope here that they would find them in that situation, and the urgency of the search for them that it didn't happen, and that their end came so end and

mercifully, i think that at least gives people a little bit of solace here today, but it is really a day of reckoning and mourning. >> thank you, miguel marquez and your crew out there for all of the reporting. and now, this is remaining some what of a question, because the navy picked up a sound sunday with the implosion, but it was not definitive at the time. and jason carroll joining us. and what was the navy saying about the timing now? >> well, from what we are learning that in terms of the timing the navy had informed senior commanders who were on the scene on sunday about this acoustic signature they had picked up consistent with what they say with some sort of implosion, but again, it was not definitive, but that data was used to help the searchers who were out there to narrow the search for the "titan" but at

the time, because there was no physical or visual evidence of the implosion or an explosion and for other reasons namely if there was any hope that they could find someone alive, they kept the search going, and that information about what the navy had discovered was kept private, but it does not mean that information was not getting out there, because it was. when you are talking about, and hearing what james cameron had to say speaking to cnn's anderson cooper, and james cameron a noted deep sea explorer in his own right was hearing as early as monday about some sort of noise that was consistent with the implosion. >> the first i heard about it

was monday and i got within the group of the deep submergence, and it is a small community, and i knew they had lost comms and the only thing that in my mind would be a shock wave implosion that was so powerful that took out the secondary system that had its own pressure vessel and battery supply that was a transponder that the ship uses to track where the ship was. i was thinking implosion then, and that was monday morning. >> and so, kate, that is what the families were told. i was told very clear from the coast guard very early here that they have been in close contact with the family members throughout all of this, and so, once again, it begs question did the coast guard then inform privately any of the family members about this information that the navy had been receiving at the very least to manage some

expectations there. and we put that question to the coast guard and this morning they tell us that we do not have specific details regarding that communication. kate. >> jason, thank you for the reporting. sara. >> all right. now the supreme court, and big win for the biden administration there. the justices have dismissed a challenge on immigration enforcement. republican officials from texas and louisiana argued that the new policies prioritizing who should be deported conflicted with federal immigration law, and the court did not see it that way. cnn correspondent jessica schneider is joining us now, and what does this ruling mean? >> it means, sara, that immigration officials will now in fact be able to prioritize who is arrested and deported based on the 21 guidelines. it is something they have been blocked from doing for 2 1/2 years because of the court fight playing out, but today, it was 8-1 decision written by justice

brett cavenaugh that the attorneys general of texas and louisiana never even had the right to bring the challenge, and these republican officials didn't have the power to force the biden administration to make the maximum number of arrests at the border. this is one part of the opinion saying that the states have brought an extraordinarily unusual lawsuit. they want a federal court to order the executive branch to alter the arrest policies to make more arrests. the courts have not entertained this kind of lawsuit, and in fact, the states cite no precedent for a lawsuit like this. this is a battle where the conservative states were trying to thwart the biden administration and laying out the most important people to targ at the border. it was a 2021 memo from the dhs secretary saying that the border should focus on three groups of people when deciding who to arrest and deport. first, those who are a danger to

national security, and those who pose a threat to public safety, and those who are a threat to border security. so the republican officials sued, and they said no, you cannot prioritize, that all illegal immigrants should be deported, and the biden officials said it is impossible, because there are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states, and the dhs lacks the ability to deport them all. so today, the biden administration has prevailed, and they are allowed to have the guidelines to go into effect, and in addition, this ruling does strike down the power of republican-led states to sue administrations or really any political party for certain policies that they don't agree with, and big win for the biden administration, and now those guidelines can take effect. >> jessica schneider, thank you for explaining all of the detailing to us. i want to bring in the justice from the brennan center and

former speechwriter for president clinton, and now, there are cases that have been decided with the redistricting issue, but we want to stick now with the immigration issue. let me ask you about this idea that they are saying, look, the court is saying, look, there is no precedent for this, and does it mean that texas was unable to show that there was anything remotely like this that has happened in the past? >> last term of this supermajority of six very conservative justices pushed hard on some conservative priorities. in this case, they are saying, standing stops the states from going to the federal courts to say, can you do this for us. it is a political thing that the red states are trying to challenge the biden administration, and when other states are trying to challenge

when the republicans are in office. so, it is a win for the biden administration, and what kind of clues does it offer for big cases coming up, and it is hard to say. because you have affirmative action and other things which will have a very, very impact. >> the biden administration has another big case when it is coming to the student loans which is also sort of a fight between the states and the federal government. what do you think that might happen? does this give us a little bitt of the clue when we hear something like, they don't have standing to make this decision? >> that is very possible. that case, the standing was also very fuzzy, and the question is who really got hurt by the government forgiving the loans of somebody else. you can't go to court and say, i don't like this, and this is my op-ed, and can you rule on it. you have to say, i am someone who got injured and i need the court the rule on it, so the court could say, even as they are moving in a conservative

matters, we want to limit to the people who come to us, and there was a touch of annoyance in the ruling here, why did you come to us with this case. it is also interesting that this was something where one federal trial judge tried to set the rule for the whole country. the supreme court has never ruled before on whether that is allowed. liberals and conservatives use it, and so maybe they are reining in the cowboy behavior around the rest of the system. >> i am curious about this, because everyone says that the supreme court is not supposed to be political, but a political person, the president appoints them, and tries to get them through congress, but in tend here, are you surprised that this court which is considered very conservative, and heavily conservative has made some of the decisions that they made favoring biden administration? >> i don't think it is such a surprise even though it is favored the biden administration, because as a law, it is clear cut. the voting rights case was a

real surprise, because john roberts reversed his position on the act. they are political and ideological, and think have know that the public support for the supreme court has collapse and they know it is seen as a political body, and if they are ruling that they are expressing political rulings, the credibility is out of the window, and maybe is part of them drawing a line, and we will go this far, but no further. >> and let me talk about the political issue here, and are the states trying to use the supreme court as a political football, and whoever they think is in charge of the court, whether it is conservative or the liberals and trying to use it as they can say s all right. we do some things, because we have our people in place. >> in the last couple of years in the abortion cases, and you have seen some the most conservative states saying, give it a try a gonnd go to the cour

go with unprecedent and they are on our team now, and that is what happened with the abortion case. but on this case, and maybe others, you might see them pulling back. it does not change the overall very conservative direction, but i also do think again that the court has to be aware that their credibility with the broad public depends upon them look like a court and not a panel of pundits, and they really risk looking that way if they are just kind of going all of the way on these things. >> rule the way that people expect a court like this to rule. thank you for joining u and that is very interesting. i appreciate your coming on. >> thank you. >> kate? >> oceangate safety practices are facing real scrutiny because of the tragedy and what the co-founder is saying about safety at the company, and the ceo who died aboard the sub. plus a new charge in the

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controversy surrounding some of the construction materials and design choices for the vessel including use of carbon fib forefiber to construct the hull. let's bring in tom foreman, and now in the aftermath of the tragedy, how do we know how the hull was made and the controver surrounding it? >> we are learning that a lot of experts in the field had raised serious questions about the way that the sub had developed for a period of time, and a lot of it had been surrounding the carbon fiber tube that everyone was sitting in. the carbon fiber is everything, in the airplanes and spacecraft and cars and all sorts of things that you use rely on the carbon fiber, but one of the concerns is that under tremendous pressure, it is too rigid and so that the hull that you are looking into right there, it

would not hold up, because it would start to delaminate. so imagine that if i took a book and glued all of the pages together, it would be like a brick and strong for everything, but if i had a pressure strong enough to make the pages separate, it would not hold enough. that is what james cameron had when he talked about his concern. let's listen. >> it is completely inappropriate for a vessel that sees external pressure. fiber composites are used very nice for internal pressure vessels like say a scuba tank and get two to three times multiple of what you could get out of steel or aluminum from that type of bottle, but for the external pressure, all of the benefits of composites go away,

and the risks come into play. >> reporter: you will hear the word delamination a lot, and see if the carbon composite delaminated, and the caps of the way they were sealed on to the carbon fiber tube, and whether there is a weakness there, and particularly into the viewing tube there at the end, which is a big window for a ship like this, and look at that, and i will tell you that as much as there is no doubt that the actual implosion was instan instantaneous, there is increasing, there are increasingly questions about whether there was some sense of warning inside of this craft that something was failing, whether that was for a few second, one second, it is certainly a fair question to ask if it happened. sara. >> tom foreman, you explain things so simply and comprehensively, and we need you in our lives for the complex world that we live in.

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were all required to sign before shipping off. >> it is not a tour. it is not a fun trip. they are doing research and inventing the technology as they go. so before you even get on, you sign this long, long waiver that mentions possible death three times on the first page. it is just, so you know what you are getting into. >> raising a lot of questions still though in the aftermath of the tragedy. veronica miracle is joining us from oceangate headquarters. veronica, what are you hearing from what we can hear from the submersible community of oceangate's approach to safety and what we are hearing and learning about? >> well, kate, this week, i have been speaking to the former sub contractor who said ta oceangate has been receiving pushback because of the design choices

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his ability to innovate, and this is what he had to say. >> i had absolutely full confidence in stockton in the design of the sub and his ability to engineer it, and most importantly to take it through a rigorous test program, so i had no qualms with it. what i do have qualms with is the fact that so many of us in a rush to get answers to the questions are starting to speculate without waiting for all of the data. >> i do want to note that the co-founder does maintain ownership in oceangate, and through the material, it appears a pushback in the community at large that oceangate was operating quickly to operate this submersible. >> veronica, thank you for the reporting. >> up next, we want to speak to

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again. republicans deserve better. america deserves better. it is commonsense. commonsense together, and i know it. you know it. and more that unites us than divides us, and america needs commonsense in these complicated times. >> and will hurd is going to join us in studio. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me on, and gene is going to be excited to be on cnn the video, and so thank you for doing that. >> and we always want to see from them. and you are the 12th candidate to jump n and you know that a wide primary field has worked to the advantage of donald trump, and why different this time? >> well, the race is different. in 2016, donald trump started at 1%, and he was talking about making america great again, and people thought that he was

exciting. now they think that he is boring and he is talking about the same thing and the past, and not talking about the future, and in saying that, he can't be beat or that it is only the race between him and ron desantis, i just don't subscribe to that. it is like, do we have to accept this crummy fate and do nothing to solve that problem, and the answer is no. it is america. it is good to have options. i think that if you are able to show some strength and get the winner, then you have a chance. >> and you were a rare republican throughout willing to speak out and be critical of president trump, throughout, but do those attributes if you put it that way, do those win with republican presidential primary voters more broadly? said another way, what is your lane? what is your pitch? >> i will take that question is how does a dark horse candidate like me who has the track record

of me criticizing donald trump but also, you know, providing a vision for the future, and the answer is yes. and these elections are not one election, and running for president is not one election, but it is 50 individual elections, and we also get caught up in the polling, and we should have learned from 2016, and also from 2022 that polling is not necessarily going to articulate who is going to go out to vote. campaigns are not complicated. ideas will turn them out. enough people sick and tired of elected officials lying to them? absolutely. are there enough republicans that are sick and tired of losing in november? absolutely. are there republicans who want to see someone articulate a vision for the future? yes. there are republicans who want to figure out how our kids get a world class education, and how do we make sure that america is strong and participated in unprecedented peace in the world, and how do we participate

in a time when the inflation is persistent and artificial intelligence is persistent. >> so, congressman, what i know is that you are level headed and calm. what people love about donald trump is the heat and the passion and the fight. >> sure. but it is a percentage, and not everybody, and not every republican is doomsday scrolling. and so what i want to do in the third district of texas is that nobody thought that a black republican could win in a 72% latino primary. and i had tough opponents. >> everyone against you. >> and the tea party and everybody wanted ther guy to win. and because he was a self-funder, and how did i win? because i showed up to campaign on the issues that people care

about. and i'm not a crazy person who says crazy things. that the lane, because people are frustrated with the way things are, and that is why we will try to do something about it. >> i want to talk about your district just to remind folks, because your district, and it is included at the time of the congressional district is more than 800 miles of the border. the biden administration during our show received a pretty big win in the court reviving the immigration courts of prioritizing who can be deported and this was brought by two republicans states attorney general, and the justices said that they did not have standing, and something that all candidates have to face issue with when it comes to the state rights and versus the federal authority and something that you are familiar with, and do you agree with the way that the supreme court decided this? >> well, the supreme court is

going to make the decision, but there is no question that joe biden should be deporting more people, and he should not be treating everybody as asylum seeker. asylum is important, and i have been clear on that, but not everybody has a reason for asylum, and wanting to come to the united states to get a better paying job is not a reason for asylum, and so what joe biden should do is how do you streamline legal immigration, and why does he not do that? like he says himself, he is the greatest proponent of organized labor in history, and big labor does not want to see a guest worker program in the united states. so the court case does not have any impact on the fact that joe biden has policies that are actually encouraging illegal immigration. that's what we should be talking about and articulating what we should be doing differently in this to deal with this crisis.

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now back to our top story, the implosion of the "titan" submerse sxbl the deaths of five people on board. a reporter who had previously been on the vessel first raised safety concerns months ago. david is a correspondent and tech journalist for cbs sunday morning. david, i am a fan of cbs sunday morning. i'm putting it out there. competition is competition, but it's such a great show. we were just talking. how many times did the titan go down before this fatal last time? did you go on it? >> yeah, i mean, the "titan" had been to the "titanic" sea floor 20 times with no loss of life, no injuries, no incidents. my dive famously was aborted after only 37 feet because of what i thought at the time was a really dumb reason. the sub launch was on this big

floating platform that they sink beneath the waves for launch. and that's because the water is calmer under there. and this little buoy, this little float had come off the floating platform. obviously, it doesn't affect the sub at all. it would have nothing do with our drive, but they have this three strikes rule, which is if three things go wrong, no matter how tiny, even if it's a bad flashlight battery or a sticker coming off a valve label, they cancel the whole thing. they canceled our dive. now maybe i'm grateful. >> you went on this dive, what, three times before this fatal dive? is that correct? >> no, no. just the one time that was aborted. but what i do know is that that was at the end of last summer. so since our dive with the cbs crew and the fatal dive, that thing by my calculations has only been down three times.

so in other words, we missed it like russian roulette. >> okay, so you had this issue that stopped you at about 37 feet, you said. you have, of course, observed this. we're looking at you video of you on there. you're reading the waiver you have to sign, which again and again and again tells you this could be fatal, this could end very poorly, and some of the issues there. can you talk about what you believe, i think you have sort of said, is misinformation that is out there about what happened to this vessel and the seriousness for which the ceo and others took taking this vessel down to the depths? >> you're right. right now, you know, the media narrative, the popular narrative is rushing to judgment and stockton rush was an idiot and he killed those people through sloppiness. there was sloppiness.

and there was pressure from an industry group for him to submit this new sub to a certification organization that would have put a bunch of regulations and limits on what he was doing, and he didn't want that. his line to me was, when you think outside of the box, people still inside the box think you're nuts. but it is a little more nuanced. i was really impressed by the safety protocol. i mean, look, stockton rush is a princeton trained aerospace engineer. he built and flew his own airplanes. he had built previous submersibles. the guy who signed on as a science adviser also died in the sub, one of the most dived titanic veterans in the world. he had captained five different titanic submersibles and he approved the structure. he wouldn't have gone on if there was something wrong with it.

as i mentioned, the crew had this really conservative safety record, so yes, it's horrible. and yes, i'm sure we'll find out that mistakes were made, but it wasn't like the guy made a lego box and threw it in the water. >> understood, david. thank you so much for the story you did and for explaining what your experiences were like there. and defending the ceo of oceangate. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. all right, kate. >> minutes from now, traffic will be flowing once again where i-95 collapsed in philadelphia just two weeks ago. but the thing about it is, this is just a temporary fix. danny freeman has more on this from philadelphia. he's joining us now. danny, are people surprised how quickly they have been able to reopen the flow of traffic? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. i don't think when anyone was here 12 days ago if you saw the original damage that anyone could have believed traffic would be flowing again in less

than two weeks, but this morning, we saw the governor of pennsylvania drive through, fire trucks drive over as well and perhaps in the most philadelphia fashion, we also saw all of the philadelphia sports teams and mascots including the fanatic and gritty driving through this morning as well. and then shortly, in a matter of minutes, the public is going to get a chance to ride on this new part of i-95. but i just want to explain a little bit how we got here. 12 days ago, june 11th, a sunday morning, a tanker truck carrying 8500 gallons of gasoline lost control on this on ramp. basically crashed and then exploded, causing the northbound lanes to collapse, the southbound lanes, they were damaged enough that they had to be demolished as well. at that time, governor josh shapiro, he said it would likely take a number of months before any sort of fix really was possible. but then, the state came up with this plan to pack glass aggregate behind me, and build a temporary six-lane structure up

there. again, the governor saying it's a great road, and we proved the pessimists wrong by opening today, in just a matter of moments. back to you. >> very rarely does the governor get to say we finished especially a road construction project early, let alone on time. albeit temporary. thank you so much for coming on. >> and thank you for joining us. this is cnn news center. inside politics is next. neurivr suppororting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. ♪ ♪

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