such a dangerous person when he offered me white house chief of staff. he didn't think i was such a dangerous person when he offered me secretary of homeland security. secretary of labor. he didn't think i was a dangerous person when he named me head of the opioid commission or when he made his presidential transition. so this guy tells whatever is convenient for him to tell at the moment he wants to tell it. and because i'm making the case against him, because i'm gaining steam and momentum, because his arguments get a lot of attention, he does that. we've got him on the run, we've got him scared. if that's the lame response he's going to give, bring it on, donald. i'm ready. >> we have a willot more to tal about but we had a lot of breaking news. thank you for joining us. cnn "news central" starts right now.

after the "titan" tragedy, what can we learn from it? investigators are scouring the ocean floor for clues. but experts zeroing in on the doomed submersible safety record, asking if it is now time to end these tourist trips to the "titanic." plus, trading limited immunity for testimony. a cnn exclusive. how the special counsel is working to nail down key testimony as he investigates efforts to overturn the 2020 election. what it could mean for the case and for donald trump. and new details on a global hack pulled off by russian cyber criminals. an insurance giant and the pension fund saying they are now one many, many targets here. and that millions of americans' personal information was exposed. we are following the major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn

"news center." >> so many hard and reasonable questions after this catastrophic failure. right now investigators are searching the ocean floor for more clues in the sub implosion that killed all five people on board. robotic diving vehicles are mapping the area more than two mile beneath the surface. five major pieces of debris found quite close to the "titanic" wreckage. experts say that implosion would have happened in just a fraction of a millisecond. and that it is now any human remains will be recovered. as officials work to determine exactly what happened, we are getting an idea now of the time line. the navy says it detected underwater sounds consistent with an implosion on sunday right after it disappeared at the time that they say is not definitive.

miguel is in newfoundland. there were sounds detected right after this happened. questions about whether the supposed banging noises were related to this. obviously they were not. what has been the reaction to this since then? are there questions about whether all the hopes that were raised were raised falsely? >> reporter: yeah, i think resignation. from the searchers who mounted a massive search effort, to the people on the ground here who have a long history with the "titanic." they live by the ocean. there's all sorts of fishing vessels and oil and gas exploration. they are accustomed to danger at sea here. the idea that people would have been stuck down in that capsule in those conditions for that long, the news of the abrupt end of their lives in some ways came as solace because they didn't

suffer at all. likely they didn't know what was happening. as you mentioned, they're trying to get a sense of why. what happened to this capsule and why did it implode this way? it had been to the "titanic" many times. p.r. nargeolet was very well known in that technology world and he believed in the technology as well. the construction of it, the materials that were used, all things that were new and novel, perhaps they were perfectly fine. but clearly after this incident, they want to look further into why. why did it fail and what can they learn from this, in a very technical world that has done well over the many years, the decades that they've been dimly into the ocean. there haven't been any of the sort of imploding events. this is as bad as it gets in the

deep seaworld. >> no questions about safety measures not taken in advance. the testing that didn't take place as well. thank you very much. >> many questions left to answer including about this. a secret network of underwater sensors. that is what the navy says likely detected audio of the "titan's" implosion just hours into its journey. natasha, the information shows that the navy was aware of this detected audio just hours after the vessel went underwater. but yet they waited to share that information publicly. >> reporter: yeah, so the navy did pick up on this acoustic signature right around the time that this submersible did stop making contact with its mothership on sunday. and that was then passed on to the incident commander at the time in order for the navy to essentially narrow the search.

it allowed the search and rescue teams to figure out where exactly that was. but they did not deep this information, they didn't know whether the sound they heard was actually the sound of an implosion or some other underwater noise. so they had to keep going with the search and recovery operation because they did not know at that point what it was. that's why you do not see this become a recovery operation until yesterday when they actually found the debris if he told which really allowed them to say more positively that something catastrophic had occurred with this submersible. so you have the implosion on sunday which does appear to shift the time line back a bit for when the u.s. military may have become aware that something was awry here. the navy did play a really important role throughout the entire operation. in fact, when we did hear the underwater banging sounds, when we heard about those from the u.s. coast guard. it was navy experts who were brought in by the coast guard to

try to analyze those sounds and figure out what they were. now, u.s. officials do say at this point they believe those were not related to the submersible. they were likely other underwater activity or perhaps noise from the ships that were operating in the area. but the navy really was crucial to this entire operation and with regard to the actual device that was used to pick up the sounds of that implosion, it is unclear whether they heard it in real-time or not. it is a top secret device that the u.s. military does not want the american people to know the name of. clearly a sophisticated device that can hear very, very deep into the ocean. >> yeah. designed to pick up on all sorts of things including foreign submarines, et cetera. >> there are so many questions about how this tragedy happened and it is a tragedy that will no doubt affect deep water exploration going forward. so let's bring in retired nuclear submarine commander david, his book, "turn the ship

around" is about the leadership lessons learned at sea. thank you for being with us. today we heard the chair of the marine technology society submersible committee telling cnn, this carbon fiber hold demanded special extra attention just because that had never been done before. you've commanded some of the most intricate and sophisticated underwater vessels on the planet. not made of this material, to be very clear. but what is it about this carbon fiber hold that can be so perilous? >> two things. number one. it is a relatively new material. we build our submarines with tried and true carbon steel. essentially the same material we used in world war ii. we have a long history of understanding how the material responds when it is compressed and made really cold and then relaxed and warmed up again. so the engineers i'm talking to are pointing to three things.

this carbon fiber. number two, the wind, and three, the submersible was built of different materials. carbon fiber, titanium built into the finer and then into the end of the titanium. >> so these are materials that may respond differently. as you describe being in water of different temperatures. >> exactly. >> and the pressure and in the multiple down, up, down, up. it may be safe to go down once or twice. but what is happening every time you go down is those things are contracting and expanding in different rates so there are these little tuny cracks. and all it takes is one tiny crack. if the water can get through there, these are tremendous pressures. 380 times what we experience on the earth. it will just come in fast and it is over instantaneously. >> and it sounds like that is

what happened. do you think investigators will be able to determine with certainty what specifically caused the catastrophic implosion here? >> i would say not with certainty. they're picking up all the pieces. the problem is since the implosion then blew the vessel apart, it will be hard to determine what was the original flaw and what was the cause of the subsequent implosion. >> last night we heard from the filmmaker behind the movie "titanic," james cameron, talking about the eerie similarities between these two tragedies. last night on cnn. here it is. >> here's a case starkly today where the collective, we didn't remember the lesson of "titanic." these guys at oceangate didn't. the arrogance and hubris that sent that ship to its doom is

exactly what sent those people only sub to their fate. and it is heart-breaking. it is heart-breaking that it was so preventible. >> i wonder what lessons you hope people take away from this tragedy. >> in submarining, we say, submarining is safe as long as you remember that it is dangerous. and there is this humility over what we can know and what we can control, and the forces of mother nature. and we really try to provoke a sense of unease. constant unease and discomfort. we say if we're feeling comfortable, it may not we've missed something. >> perhaps there is too much confidence. very interesting philosophy. and you can certainly see how that is essential when it comes to the world of submersibles here. thank you for your time and your expertise.

>> thank you. >> jim? >> great to hear from a sub commander there. the january 6th investigation is heating up apparently. prosecutors locking up witness testimony. crucial testimony, securing, we now know, immunity deals, closing in, it appears, on former president trump's legal team. the cnn exclusive reporting coming up. plus, some house republicans are calling for a special counsel to investigate hunter biden. this comes after two whistleblowers told congress that irs investigators pushed for more serious tax charges against hunter biden. and the hack fallout is growing. a major insurance company now reveals that russian cyber criminals stole sensitive data from millions of its customers. such a familiar story. how to know if you're safe when cncnn "news central" returns. ♪ to guide you through a changing world. ♪

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reporting on the special counsel probe into january 6th. sources tell us that jack smith is now focused on the fake elector scheme carried out by donald trump's allies after he lost the 2020 election. prosecutors have secured testimony from republicans tied to that plot in exchange for limited immunity. let's get right to it with a pair of justice reporters as well as defense attorney and former federal prosecutor. thank you all for being with us. kaitlyn, first to you. what did you dig up about this angle in the january 6th investigation? >> well, we were able to pick up on a lot of grand jury activity in the last two weeks and particularly focused on the fake electors. the people donald trump used within the republican party to sign certificates saying that he won states that he actually didn't. this goes back to last week. there are two electors that testified in washington, d.c.

that the special counsel has been using from nevada, and those two people previously would not answer questions in other investigations, like on capitol hill. when they got to the grand jury, under that subpoena from the special counsel's office, the special counsel's office said, you have immunity. you can't decline to answer questions. we're ready for you. we need your testimony. so they went in and they both testified. a man named jim degraph and another official from the state of nevada. and then we're hearing from other witnesses who have come in with a lot of insight into the fake electors related to the campaign including one witness yesterday who was a pretty top trump campaign official who appeared before the grand jury for a short time. gary michael brown. he was in yesterday. so it is a lot of activity. and the prosecutors are just not budging on getting these people into the grand jury fast and making sure they get their

testimony. charges could be on the horizon. >> and this is a pretty big development. what kind of power does that testimony have in an investigation like this? >> well, people like that who have actual knowledge, meaning they participated in something, are really critical. and i think, well, i don't think you can tell that the charges any day are coming. it means they have reached a point where they can make a decision, who is valuable enough to offer immunity to? like you don't want to offer immunity to the person who is the main proponent in terms of culpability. so they're able to make those decisions and i think that is really telling in the process. >> there is no indication that former president trump will be indicted on charges related to january 6th. based on what we know about the investigation, based on what we saw in full that day, what we saw in reporting about the fake electors, what could the former president be charged with? >> he could be charged with a number of things including the

seditious conspiracy issues. meddling with the election in terms of interference. on the fake electors issue, they're looking for this connective tissue between their actions, how were they told about the actions and can you trace it back to him? so there are a broad variety of things. >> it is only one way with the fake electors. it could be a conspiracy where we know trump is being looked at. >> i want to turn to another high profile investigation in the hunter biden tax probe. two whistleblowers have come forward under oath before lawmakers saying that irs investigators recommended much stronger charges against hunter biden than what he got in his plea deal. walk us through what these two whistleblowers are saying to lawmakers. >> these are whistleblowers effectively accusing the justice department of not telling the full truth about how this investigation into hunter biden unfolded. we know from these whistleblowers, they're alleging

the irs recommended more severe charges. they wanted 11 in total including felony tax charges. they announce ad plea deal where it was only two counts. two misdemeanors. and he also got a gun charge that was put to the side. deferred. so a big discrepancy there. and look, these are two whistleblowers who are saying the irs is really pushing and really pushing for a stronger investigation in hunter biden. there was political pushback from the other side is what they say and they wanted to stripping out and uncover everything they could but they were not able to. that's their side of the story. the justice department says, look, we did the investigation the right way. the results will be a plea deal. >> they have that over and over again this was an independent investigation. on that note, one of the whistleblowers, gary shapley, apparently he turned over notes to congress where he said the u.s. attorney made claims about

not being the, quote, deciding person over whether charges were filed. he apparently also wanted to pursue charges in other venues and he requested to be named special counsel. but that was denied. is there reason to doubt shapley's testimony? >> probably not. they may have had conversations like that. it the ultimate question is whether weiss felt he had the authority. he is a trump appointee over garland. to let him stay on and do it. wasn't a particularly speedy investigation eat. it took quite a while. and those sorts of disagreements are pretty common. sometimes one side wants to be more aggressive. sometimes the other. so the fact that there is disagreement, not unusual. it is also unrealistic to say the justice department hasn't been totally transparent. that doesn't happen in criminal investigations. you just get the result. the key is whether weiss felt

any pressure and what he's saying is absolutely not. >> and weiss and the attorney's office have said that. >> we're almost certain to hear of house republicans trying to question at the very least weiss on those decisions. i do want to play for our viewers, hunter biden who was invited to the reception last night for the indian prime minister narendra modi. he invokes his father multiple tames west should point out, joe biden was out of office when these text messages were sent. he said, i am sitting hear with may father and we would like to understand why the commitment has not been fulfilled. it sounds like he's asking for money. the whistleblowers though, they're alleging that investigators weren't allowed to ask about joe biden when conducting interviews. how do you read that? >> well, even if that happen, the obvious question would be whether joe biden was there and whether he was part of the idea to put pressure on people.

and will then there is a question of is there something illegal about that? in terms of them not being allowed to pursue that. that's not uncommon. i've worked on cases where agents, even me, wanted to go in a direction and the fbi supervisor said no, we're not going there. it is discretionary and they feel it is a fishing expedition. so it is more trying to stay focused on the goal. >> part of it was happening just before the 2020 election. to put it into context, you remember what happened right before the 2016 election and they likely wanted even potentially an argument that it was something to avoid. >> yeah, and the whied that there should have been a special counsel appointed. this is the son of the president, not the president himself. there is no reason that doj can't handle an investigation like that. >> all right. thank you so much.

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as investigators search for answers as to what led to failure in the "titan" sub, the company that owned it is, of course, facing intense scrutiny over past safety concerns. the co-found here left the company ten years ago warned though against rushing to judgment. >> i had absolutely full confidence in stockton in the design of the sub and his ability to engineer it and most importantly, to take it through a rigorous test program. i had absolutely no qualms with it. i would encourage us to hold off on speculation until we have more data to go on. >> gabe cohen joins me now. it is not speculation. safety concerns were raised repeatedly in recent years. and normal safety measures in

terms of testing, it appears were not followed. you've been following this very closely. what have you found? >> at this point the prospects of formal investigation are really unclear. it is the wild west out there when you do these dives out there. there is little to no regulation. oceangate is under the microscope. and we know that experts have been raising red flags for years about this vessel. the way it was built and the way it was tested and the warning that this could end in catastrophe. >> reporter: former oceangate ceo stockton rush and his ill-fated "titan" submersible facing intense skrat any. rush who perished in the "titan" had a reputation as a visionary and a rule breaker. >> i think it was george macarthur that said you'll be remembered for the rules you

break. >> the co-founder said he had complete faith in rush and would have gone on the "titanic" expedition himself if he had the chance. >> there is always a risk of catastrophic implosion. it is something that we know about. it is something that we plan for, plan against. and it is just a known risk. >> dj, a subcontractor, said it passed testing for the depth. >> if you do it repetitionedly, then what happens? these are the sorts of questions, if you have a long research and development program, you start answering. but if you really are pushing the envelope, there is no time to, you know, you're answering those questions in real-time. >> will conan who chairs the committee of the marine technology society said he wrote

to rush saying he was concerned they weren't following the same safety standards as other vessels. in his 2018 letter, conan warned rush about what he called the company's experimental approach that could have serious consequences. cnn has previously reported that two former oceangate employees who were not engineers separately raised safety concerns years ago about the hole of the titan sub. the hull was made of carbon fiber composite. the type used in spacecraft. the filmmaker james cameron had a has made more than 30 dives to the "titanic" himself said the danger of using carbon fiber composite is known within the community. >> we always understood, there was the wrong material for submersible hulls because with each cycle, you can have progressive damage. it is quite insidious and that i think led to this tragedy. >> i enter have you had a stockton rush several times as a

reporter and i did press him about safety. he told me, he have you had a the submersibles as armored vehicles. before another expedition, he said to me everyone is getting back safe. we can take risks with equipment but not with people. but jim, of course, now we know there were people in the industry who believe he was taking big risks with people, even if he didn't believe it. >> did he ever show any doubts when you pressed him on the safety issues? >> every time we spoke to them, they were so firm that they had tested these. they were working with the best partners. they had invested money where it really counted in that pressure vessel where the 5 passengers would sit and they were confident the an extreme degree about how safe this vessel was. >> a lot of hard questions still to be answered going forward. now to a cnn investigation into the deadly migrant boat tragedy off the coast of greece. the official death toll from

greek authorities stands at i can't. pakistan says at least 350 of its nationals were on board the boat that capsized last week. the interior minister said today, only 12 pakistanis survived. and now a cnn investigation is raising serious questions about the greek coast guard's account of this tragedy. we have our reporter on the case and joining us with that. tell us what you found. >> reporter: you know, the mediterranean is the deadliest migrant route in the world. we find ourselves year after area reporting on these catastrophic shipwrecks in the mediterranean. and it appears that last week's tragedy was one of the deadliest ever. you mentioned i can't people confirmed dead. but more than 500 remain unaccounted for, programmed dead

right now in the bottom of one of the deepest parts of the mediterranean sea. and based on our investigation, this appears to have been more than just an avoidable tragedy. about 750 ref jaes and migrants were packed into this fishing vessel bound for italy before it capsized off the coast of greece. only 104 saved and with them, the harrowing accounts of what they had been through. >> translator: i can still hear the voice of the women calling out for help. you would spim and move bodies out of the way. >> reporter: he spoke to us from greece. he asked for his identity to be hidden for security reasons. he would not only contradict the official version of events but pointed fault on the part of greek coast guard. and our investigation is based on the firsthand accounts of

survivors, families of survivors, and victims and activists, as well as open source and marine traffic data. and it all castser is a just doubt to official greek version of events. what we do know based on this investigation, this was an overcrowded boat that was in distress. horrific conditions on board. more than 750 people were believed to be on this boat that was lost at sea. they had run out of fof food an water. and at left a six people died on board. and it was in distress. and greek authorities were notified of the situation, of the boat and they were monitoring it. they were in touch with it for more than 12 hours. and they didn't act. but it's not only these allegations are not only that they didn't act. there are more serious allegations that it was a botched attempt by authorities to tow the boat that caused it

to capsize. and this is a tactic the greek coast guard has been accused of in the past. trying to push refugees and migrant boats away from their shores. we have reached out to the greek coast guard. they have declined a request for an interview. they referred us to the previous statement in which they deny the boat was in distress. they say it was continuing on its course toward italy. that it declined any assistance. that it refused assistance. and they blame what happened, they say, on some sort of movement on board, panic on board. they say they were nowhere near it when it capsized and they had not attempted to tow the boat. according to a top u.n. official we spoke to, and other legal experts, they say that here, the issue is not whether this boat was in distress or not. there was a real legal obligation here by the coast guard to intervene in what appeared to be a boat that was

on this smuggling, and trafficking route, overcrowded, unsea worthy, and that they had an obligation to intervene. had they done so, hundreds of lives could have been saved. >> the death toll here, astronomical and we can't even really get an accurate number but it is very large. thank you for bringing us that investigation. >> the fallout widening. and a major global hack affecting millions of americans. an insurance giant now says hackers accessed their customers' information including their social security numbers. we have details on that. plus, it's probably a good idea to check out your freezer. there's a big frozen fruit recall that we'll tell you about when we come back on cnn "news central." mint mobile, unlimimited premium wireless. cacan i get 30, 30 bidder get 0 bidder get 20, 20, 20, bidder get 20,0, 20, bidder get 15, 15, 15, 15. just 15 bucks a month.

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new today, the u.s. supreme court rejecting a challenge from two republican-led states to a biden administration immigration enforcement policy. 8-1. the court overwhelmly ruling in favor of federal guidelines that prioritize who gets deported based on their public safety risk. let's break it down with cnn immigration reporter, they argued that the policy conflicted with immigration law. but 8-1, that's an overwhelming ruling. >> this is a major win for biden. what these two state attorney generals had said is look, these priorities, they violate federal law. so they should be able to go

away. but the court dismissed the challenge on this ground. it said the states didn't have the legal right or the authority to even bring this case in the first place. they said, look. the government here has discretion when it comes to enforcement. these states can't step in. they can't bring this kind of challenge. and as you said, it was then dismissed on standing and it was 8-1 and only justice samuel alito dissent. and brett kavanaugh was writing for the majority. and he said five administrations have always brought these priorities forward. and the reason for that is because there just isn't enough money to take care of the millions of people who are here. so it's always happened in the past and they said that here the states couldn't bring the challenge. just a reminder what these priorities were. the biden administration said they wanted to prioritize people who are a threat to national security, public safety, border

security. this was the latest salvo in this fight between the biden administration and republican-led states, and today the biden administration won. >> an important decision. one of many that we're anticipating still to come from the supreme court. thank you. you'll be here in a couple weeks? >> next week. >> thank you. the damage from a global hack, apparently the work of russian cyber criminals is widening in this country. u.s. insurance provider said that 2.5 million of its policy holders and customers had their data accessed in the hack. california's pension fund says more than 760,000 of its members also affected. those two join a growing list of u.s. companies as well as state and federal agents hacked by russians. shawn, this is a frequent

activity. often cyber criminals, many of us have been victims. i've been a victim of several of these. >> reporter: we're still getting a sense weeks after the hack took place of how widespread this is. when you exploit a software like they did. it was a software that a lot of people haven't heard of but a lot of people use. move it. a lot of state governments in the u.s. and federal government customers, when you get that access, it is a pandora's box of potential fraud and abuse there. so we're still learning. and i think by the end of next week, we might be in the double digits in terms millions of americans affected. we have the dmvs of louisiana and oregon affected. as you said, we have california's public pension fund. one of the biggest insurance providers in genworth. so it is an evolving situation.

and these hackers are just about extorting, not about disrupting, to financial fraud. so companies are issuing credit monitoring, which you're familiar with. the hackers are negotiating behind the scenes. they're demanding, i heard from one source involved in the negotiations, over $100 million from an institution, a coil the in the u.s. which was a nonstarter. ana ana an audacious amount. some have paid u.s. cyber security confirmed the other day. >> i guess the point is, sometime they take the data, use the data and sometime they issue a ransom and the companies pay. ahead, a welcome development in philadelphia. specially for commuters on the

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all five philadelphia mascots drive over it. a tanker truck carrying 8,500 gallons of gasoline crashed and exploded two weeks ago sunday morning. that caused the northbound lanes of 95 to collapse. the state found a solution using glass foam aggregate to pile it up in this space behind me and pave over it, that was how they were able to create six temporary lanes to get traffic moving on i-95 behind me. listen to what governor shapiro said a couple hours ago. >> this was a moment of civic pride for philly and pennsylvania. we all came together, and we proved that we could do big things again in pennsylvania. we all came together and we showed when times get hard, pennsylvanians show up for one

another. >> now, remember, this is still a temporary fix. we don't have a timeline for when the entire highway will be rebuilt. for the moment, penndot says it is safe to drive just take it a little slow. >> i like the way they drove the fire trucks over early to give some confidence there. phillie phanatic making an appearance as well. the future of submersibles now in question after five people died in the titan tragedy. what does it mean for the future of underwater tourism? we'll discuss after a quick break. you're watching "cnn news central." my most important kitchen tool?

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