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a search for answers. we are learning that new equipment is being sent to the sea floor to get a closer look at the debris field left by the doomed submersible. the latest on the recovery efforts. and also, the focus of faked electors to keep donald trump in office even though he lost the election. cnn can exclusively report that at least two immunity deals have been offered and what that could mean to the former president and others tied to the plot.
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any doubt about trump's continuing grip on the gop, wait until you see how the republicans reacted to the 2024 rival chris christie today. we are following the major developing stories and more all coming into cnn "news central." we have new pictures of a robotic diving vehicle being lifted out of the atlantic ocean after it found the "titan" sub yesterday. cnn is learning that there is a new look to try toosn. and also, we are looking at the memorial at st. johns, newfoundland. we go to st. johns with miguel marquez who is there. and we have just learned that the canadian transportation
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safety board is launching an investigation into the incident, and what more can you tell us? >> yeah. now that the u.s. coast guard has determined that the fate of the "titan" and we know that all five crew members are dead, the transportation board here in canada is opening up that investigation to figure out from their end what exactly happened. that is why what is happening here on the seabed floor is important to the investigation, and a remote operating vehicle is mapping out the remains of the titan. five large pieces they have found in two different debris fields about 1,600 feet in front of the "titanic," and they are hoping to glean some information about the implosion, and then explosion of that vessel and what exactly happened. they may end up bringing or try bring up some pieces of it, but
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it is a much more complicated process to do, but to all of this now becoming a very official process with the canadian transportation safety board saying they will open up an investigation, a deep water drone down there, and now mapping that out and trying to understand the vector and what happened as that sub descended to just above and not too far above the "titanic," and then imploded, and what sort of force and how it could have destroyed it in the way that it did, and they are hoping to glean some of the information from the seabed floor. >> so important to get some of that information. thank you, miguel. brianna. industry employees are voicing concerns including carbon fiber for the hull.
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oceanographer and cameraman james cameron compared the voyage to the "titanic's". >> i think that there is a great and almost surreal irony here which is that "titanic" sank because the captain took it full steam into an ice field on a moonless night with poor visible after he had been repeatedly warned by telegram by radio in the day that was what was ahead of him. and we are seeing the parallel here with unheeded warnings about a sub that was not certified, where the entire deep submergence, and not the entire community, but a large number of them got together to write a letter to oceangate, and saying that we believe it could lead to catastrophe. >> this is an experimental design, and no question about it. it is a carbon composite, and
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you can tell us more of what that mean, because it is the stuff that is used in spacecraft, but is it designed for the deep underwater pressure, and what is the danger of that material in this environment? >> it is completely inappropriate for a vessel that sees external pressure. you know, carbon fiber composites are used very successfully for internal vessel pressures for say a scuba tank, and you can get two the three times multiple what you can get out of steel or aluminum for that type of the pressure bottle, but for something that is seeing the external pressure, all of the benefits go away, and all of the disadvantages come into play. we have always understood that this is the wrong material for the submersible hulls, because with each cycle, you can have progressive damage. so it is insidious, because you could have successful dives and
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then have it fail later, which is what happened here. >> we have veronica miracle with us where oceangate is based. tell us what else you are learning, veronica, of the warnings and the concerns that came from the submersible community. >> well, brianna, this week, we have spoken to a couple of former oceangate employees who mirrored and confirmed what james cameron was talking about. they said that as the development and the testing was happening at the "titan" they were receiving a lot of pushback from the community, because these design choices were experimental and highly controversial, and the letter that james cameron was referring to is from the marine technology society, and we have a copy of frit 2018, and they express the concerns explicitly. one of the concerns is that oceangate's marketing materials were advertising that the
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"titan" was meeting or exceeding safety standards, and they argued that oceangate was not following the safety rule, and saying that your representation is at minimum misleading to the public, and breaches an industry-wide code of conduct that we all endeavor to uphold. and this morning, anderson cooper did speak to the co-founder of oceangate who came to stockton rush's defense and said that he believed rush to be a strong risk manager, and the late ceo and manager stockton rush. this is what he had to say. >> i have absolutely full confidence of stockton in his ability to design the sub and to engineer it, and take it through a rigorous test program. i don't have qualms with it, but i have qualms with the fact that so many of us in a rush to get answers to the questions are starting to speculate without
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waiting for all of the data. >> i do want to note that the former co-founder still maintains minority ownership of oceangate. bigger picture from some of the former employees that i spoke with, there were concerns about the speed in which they were developing the submersible, and the materials, and the design choices that were used. brianna? >> yes, some warnings that we have learned about. thank you, veronica in everett, washington. jim? >> so we have heard of the warnings of people with a great deal of experience with underwater submersibles, and we will get some expertise from steve mcginty who is the author of "the deepest dive." thank you for coming on. >> thank you for invite meg on. >> first question here, and clearly the questions of the safety of this design, and the submersible, and the condition,
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et cetera, and they are not new. they have been raised for years and deflected by the designer, designer of this. as you are looking at this, it is this an irresponsible voyage. >> well, clearly that and the fact that the submarine was not up to the job. having looked at the deepest submarine rescue in 1973 is the historical idea of it. back in 1973, the "pisces" was a revolutionary submarine designed by a canadian who was a deep sea diver, and the early days of the smaller submarine industry where they built itt in a mushroom factory in vancouver and tested it out in the waters ironically where there was a torpedo being tested by the u.s. navy at the
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time, and the point is that yesterday, i spoke to doug huntington who decided the direct toggle that was used in 1973, and he said that even though "pisces ii" was a new subma reap, it was new of its type, and insured by lloyds of london, and what he found incredible was the idea that all of the years later, and when with technology having been refined, and so many different subs that have been made going to different depths, and that clacktive knowledge seems to h have, and they want the design new systems, and push the envelope, and that is the irony of the designers of the early days, and so many of them gave
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their lives willingly to dive into the depths, and the point that james cameron was trying to make yesterday is that for many for decades the community has been working together, and the safety standards have been very sfwrermt and gone the incredible depths and each group is working to refine it, and the evidence seems to be that here the ceo has gone his own way, and this is a tragic result. >> here's the thing, you know, the technology changes over time, but i suppose that the lesson, and one of the lessons here is that standards, right, they should not. the basic idea for instance as you mentioned of having an outsider do some vetting of the design, some safety testing. >> absolutely. absolutely. you should never get to grade your own homework, and that is something that we have learned. everyone benefits, and every
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company and designer of the industries benefits from having the outsiders kick the tires and figure out if this system works, and clearly, this is the tragedy that was not their intent, and obviously, they took the early dives, and thought that it was working and operative, but as jim cameron said before then, and was pit carbon fiber nature of it? it seems that it has weakened over the progressive dives, and it took that split second for something to go, and the implosion was instantaneous. >> and to james cameron's point, these questions are not new. and steve mcginty author of "the dive." thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> of course. and just ahead, a cnn
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ramping up here? >> yes, and we have katcaikatel polantz and myself have seen things ramping up. we have been seeing more witnesses testify, and quite know that prosecutors in just last week, they were questioned from last week in nevada who signed that, and we know two pledged 5th, and the grand jury came in fully expecting them to do the same, and the prosecutors said that you have immunity, and you have to answer the questions, and this is allowing them to get what they want. >> there is also some potential
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financial crimes investigated here? >> yes. at least one former and also asked around these pieces that happened post. so there are a number of investigators active in the investigation, and so we could be seeing there are more charges coming out on this front. >> thank you, zach. great work by you and your colleagues. boris. >> another high profile investigation. the hunter biden tax bro. we know that he was prnlgt and that plea deal. they they the doj recommended after what they allege is political interference.
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evan perez has been following. this walk us through the whistle-blower statements. what are they saying? >> well, they are saying that the justice department, david we weiss, the u.s.-trump-appointed attorney was there all along, and no other judges were not involved, and that they were overruling the moves that the investigators were rye trying to make, and nay that he would plead in court with two misdemeanors. what they were coming forward with is that the justice department is lying when they said there was no political interference. the attorney general gar rick garland addressed it squarely at
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a press conference earlier today in washington. take a listen. >> mr. weiss was appointed by president trump as the u.s. attorney in delaware and assigned this matter in the previous administration and be continued to continue his investigation, and continue to prosecute in any way he wanted to and in any district he wanted to. mr. weiss has sent a letter to the house judiciary committee confirming that he had the authority, and so i don't know how it would be possible for him to be blocked to bring a prosecution given this authority. >> the key part of this, boris, is that attorney general is saying that weiss never asked to be a special counsel which is something that the whistle-blowers is saying that weiss requested and was denied. so reexpect that congress is going to continue to look into the issue. >> yeah, one of the
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whistle-blowers is saying that weiss was interested in potentially having different venues prosecuting hunter biden, but something that the attorney general denied. there are also all of these e text messages that he sent and then trying to press a business deal, and what is the white house saying about this? >> they say that the matter has been dealt with by the white house counsel. i reached out to get the response, but the president has said that he never had anything to do with his son's business interests, and he never spoke to his son's business interest, and this text message calls into question whether that is true, and this is 2017, when joe biden
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is allowed or permitted to investigate this fully, and the question is was joe le was confirmed, and the agents themselves don't know whether they were just saying this to put pressure on the person they want to get to payup. >> it is possible that they were exerting pressure over hunter biden. so, now we want to go to capitol hill, manu raja, and some of the republicans are calling now for a special counsel. >> yes, the senior republicans in light of the documents and the allegations made by this irs agent and the house ways and means committee might have been
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and that then private citizen joe biden had any role with hunter biden's business dealings in 2017. all of this is raising questions among the republicans saying that it is time for the justice department to name a special counsel to investigate this matter. i caught up with the house speeder, and he said it might be time to do that. and the chairman said absolutely it is time to name a special counsel. >> but the information that just came back from the ways and means, it is really raising a question about the doj and what did they do during this. did they withhold information? did they treat him better and is there any information that they need. >> weiss asked for special status, and the garland department says no. if the special counsel is not
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warranted here, when is it? you are talking about the president's business dealings potentially, and of course, hunter biden his son. >> now, jim jordan also told me that he has not gotten the clarity from the justice department about what it means at the probe into hunter biden is quote ongoing. that is a big point of contention among the house gop chairmen to get more dock kwlumts about the u.s. attorney's questions that he is trying to get answers to. >> and you have new resolutions to expunge president trump's impeachments. >> yes, marjorie taylor greene who is a staunch conservative and close to president trump,
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and she is calling for expungement of two of the impeachments, and one is that he withheld aid which is proved by congress in ukraine in ukraine having to announcement involvement with the bidens. that was impeachment one. and the second was invoked for him to cause the incitement here. but in a key announcement in the same press gaggle, kevin mccarthy told us that he does support this effort to expunge those trump impeachments, and even though it does not change what happen, it puts moderates in a more difficult spot, because some don't want to take a position on this, and backing trump when it is coming to january 6th, and one of them don bacon from a situation that he
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a new recovery mission is under way in the north atlantic for debris from the "titan" submersible lost in a catastrophic implosion. canada's transportation safety board has now launched an inest vestig inestinvestigation. and now, the "titan" submersible will be investigated by the canada transportation safety board. the five people who die ed in t
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tra tragedy. paula newton is there, and is the intention to bring up some of the debris for a further investigation? >> absolutely, jim. what is going to happen here is that the national transportation board is going to be sending out a team so that the remote vehicles are now on the sea bed, and they will map the area, to bring as many pieces of debris to the surface as they can. the transportation safety board is having a lot of high profile investigations, and a crucial one that i want to mention is the swiss air disaster that was 25 years ago about 65 miles off of the coast here, jim, and what was so crucial is that in bringing up the debris, they pinpointed that it was the
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entertainment system that caused that air crash, and similar circumstances here that we are talking about the carbon titanium, and it is important that they bring up the debris, and also comfort to the family to find out why. as you highlighted five souls is remembered by the families. i wanted you the listen to heartfelt tribute from ph nargeolet's stepson. take a listen. >> yeah, i mean, it is so easy to look online and to read about all of the dives that he did and the exhibitions that he was on, because he was so much more than that. he was a big lovable guy, and a prankster, and he cared so much about his family and everything that he did in life. i was so fortunate to have him for so many years as stepdad.
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>> and we have heard the tributes from all of the five passengers there, jim. as much as everyone wants answers, and they do want them, and the family wants that measure of comfort to know whether or not they knew what was going to happen or if it was immediately that catastrophic failure, and regardless, they will have comfort in know nag the te -- in knowing that the mother ship, "polar prince" is going to be there in the morning to begin the investigation. >> and the point is to learn what you can to prevent something like this from happening again. paula newton in halifax. thank you so much. brianna. >> we have learned that the fbi is investigating threatening letters with suspicious substances sent to lawmakers in tennessee. we wilill have the latest on th case.
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now, to some of the other headlines that we are following this hour. bud light is hoping for good times again, and the beer company launched a new marketing campaign aimed at reviving sale which tanked at the backlash of spotlighting a transgendered influencer. and it is showing people enjoying the beer to the tune "good times" by chic, and it is giving away bud light to fans every week. also, investigating letters
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with a substance to lawmakers after they were arrived to the capitol, and firefighters used hazardous suits to investigate, and no arrests have been made. and check your freezer, because food recall over possible listeria contamination is affecting fruit nationwide linked to pineapple from a third-party supplier sunrise growers and you can find a whole list of recalled brands and package codes on the fda website. worth checking. brianna. >> i will check. and presidential candidates are flocking to washington, d.c., for the influential evangelical faith and freedom summit, but not all of them are getting a warm reception, like this. >> he is unwilling to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made.
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any of the faults that he has. any of the things that he has done. that is not leadership, everybody. that is a failure of leadership. you can boo all you want! >> all right. cnn's jeff zeleny is here with more on this, and we can talk about trump's hold on the party, and first, this summit is coming after the dobbs supreme court decision to overturn the abortion issue or more personality of the chris christie moment? >> well, it is more of the chris christie going to the belly of the beast, and he does not mind to be criticized and booed by the former president, because that is the basis of the campaign, but abortion is the driving force in this republican primary campaign, and former vice president mike pence knows, that and he was speaking yesterday and drawing a marker
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in the line for fellow republican candidates. >> the fact is that today, abortion law in the united states is more aligned with china and north korea than with western nations in europe. so i want to say from my heart, every republican candidate for president should support a ban on abortion before 15 weeks as a minimum nationwide standard. >> and that is not something that all of his fellow republican candidates have embrace and particularly donald trump who will be speaking at the forum tomorrow. this is one of the defining issues, and really the differentiators in the republican primary campaign here. >> it is not necessarily going to be working in the republicans' favors, because i was speaking to former arkansas governor asa hutchinson how it impacted the last midterm elections and contributed to the fact that republicans did not
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takeover both chambers of congress. >> and he hesitate and mike pence said that is not why they lost, and donald trump is not sure, and he is resonant to speak about it, and he talks about the supreme court justices, and they belong the him, but look on him to focus on it, because it is driving on both sides of the aisle with republicans and democrats alike. and the other candidate in the race was talking about abortion as well, so for the next year and year and half, this is a central focal points of american politics. >> republicans will have to figure out how to talk about it, and democrats will definite bli talking about it. boris? >> the population is getting older. the median age is hitting a record high. dr. sanjay gupta going to be with us to break down the pros and cons.
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aging for decades. and now it is older than it has ever been. and according to the census bureau, the median age is now a record high 39 years old. and that is an increase of almost 3 1/2 years since 2000 and a jump of 0.2 years in just the past year alone. cnn's sanjay gupta joins us live. what should we make of these numbers? >> well, i love looking at this sort of data because it gives you a real sort of over view of what is happening in the country
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as a whole. we know the population is expanding and life expectancy has dropped for many years. even before the pandemic. and as you point out, we're getting older overall as well. so as you take a look. close to 39 years, that is the median age. i found out you were born in 1985 and if we go back to when you were born it was 31.5. so we've gotten quite a bit older over that period of time, over last nearly 40 years. if you look at life expectancy as well, i think it is really important, the united states like my other countries there has been a steady increase overall in life expectancy since around the time you were born. but even before the pandemic, you started to see drops in life expectancy. one of the only countries where that was happening here in the united states during the pandemic, a significant plunge as you could see there, it started to recover some of the numbers. but you could sort of see what
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happened. we spent $4 trillion a year on health care and life expectancy going down. and that median age number, we're getting old because birthrates outpace death rates but not as much as it used to. so we're not having as many babies an women are having babies oldner life as well. >> and so fascinating and you're dedicating the new season of your podcast, exploring how we should approach aging and how we define it and i'm trying to figure out, is age just a number? >> that is how most people would refer to it but i think there is a chronological and a biological age and there is your perceptions of aging. i interviewed my own mom for this podcast and asked her about this. listen to what she said. >> i think that is the perception, that as you get older, three things happen, it is harder to sleep, the mood is
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maybe not as good. and you have more aches and pains. how about you, mom? so aches and pains? >> none. >> i just assume people had more ac aches and pains. >> no aches and pains and i don't take any prescription medication. >> and how is your sleep. >> i sleep really, really good. when people they get old, they sleep less, i say maybe i'm getting younger. because i sleep nine hours straight without anything. >> mood? >> always in good mood, too. >> and -- dad is shaking his head. >> i'm in a good mood unless somebody gives me a hard time. >> i could tell you, it is fun doing the podcasts because i like to have conversations with all sorts people including my parents. age is a number, but perception
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of age is important. there is an anti-aging movement and people embracing aging more than ever before and according to my mom, it is not that bad as much as we dread the idea, maybe it is not that bad. >> she sounds lovely. you could listen to sanjay's podcast anywhere you get your podcasts. always a fascinating listen. sanjay gupta, thanks very much. >> thank you. experts say he could be a once in a lifetime talent. we're not talking about boris sanchez. more on where the mystery man is taking his talents, next. but first a unique heroes union last month in miami beach. >> we are out here in virginia key beach, miami, florida, and we're cleaning up. >> let's do it. >> we're clearing the way for hatch lings, how cool is that. >> we're reintroducing native plants back into this eco-system
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you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody. we moved out of the city so our little sophie could appreciate nature. but then he got us t-mobile home internet. i was just trying to improve our signal, so some of the trees had to go. i might've taken it a step too far. (chainsaw revs) (tree crashes) (chainsaw continues) (daughter screams) let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family.
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it's official, the big man from france who basketball experts say could become a once in a generation talent is taking that talent so san antonio. >> the spurs using their they're number one pick to pick victor wembanyama. he has the most average rebounds and blocks per game and named the league's mvp. >> the spurs have been watching since him since he was 15. he's 7'4" and i'm not sure if he has a better shot than boris. >> he most definitely does but i'm not scared of him. i'll go right to the hole.
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