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the leader of the russian rebellion speaking out. yevgeny prigozhin explaining why he stopped on moscow's doorstep. what this means for vladimir putin's iron fisted grip over russia and how it could affect his war on ukraine. investigating the titan implosion, the coast guard laying out the next steps, collecting debris and interviews, but the search for answers is only beginning. next steps may include examining voice recordings and data from the mothership that carried the doomed submersible. and potential progress for weight loss drugs, a new pill that could help people lose 15% of that i remember bead weight with no injection required. we are following these developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn "news central." ♪ moscow no longer on lockdown after a short-lived armed revolt, but now the lorde of the

mercenary group behind that mutiny claims that he never intended to overthrow vladimir putin. this is wagner group leader yevgeny prigozhin in a new audio statement. listen. >> translator: two factors played into my decision to turn around, first factor, we wanted to avoid a russian blood shed, second is we marched in demonstration of a protest, not to overturn the power in the country. at this time alexander lukashenko extended his hand and offered to find solutions for the further work of wagner pmc in legal jurisdiction. the columns turned back and left for the field camps. >> we've also just heard from president biden stressing the western alliances will remain solid as this fluid situation plays out. >> the ultimate outcome of all of this remains to be seen, but no matter what comes next i will keep making sure that our allies and our partners are closely

aligned in how we are reading and responding to the situation. >> cnn's nic robertson has been tracking all of this for us. what more are we hearing from prigozhin? >> i think we're getting an insight here and quite a long message, we won't no he when it was recorded or where it was recorded and sent from but it is long enough to give us some better insight into what he's thinking and to give us his version of events into what happened at the weekend. it has been made very clear that he was believed to be on his way to moscow, he sent his troops there, in essence a coup attempt, traitor is what putin called him. he seems to be trying to in a way get back into putin's good books, that seems like an impossible task given that putin only favors loyalty and hates people being disloyal and he appears to have been the ultimately disloyal person, but what is he saying here that we can learn from, it is instructive. that clip we played before he said i took the deal with lukashenko in belarus because it

gave me an opportunity to keep the wagner private military contracting company, mers their group, on a legal footing. it is clear that his big gripe with defense minister sergei shoigu that shoigu is trying to take control of the wagner group, is still ongoing. he said that is the reason why he was going to belarus and he also said that the reason to have that march was to, again, keep the wagner group whole and stable. he lays out in the speech, we're going to play the clip in a second, that the government that sergei shoigu the defense minister wanted to shut down wagner on the 1st of july. >> translator: as a result of intrigue's ill conceived decisions it was planned that it would cease to exist on july 1st, 2023. the cancel of the commander gathered which brought all the information to the fighters.

no one agreed to sign a contract with the defense ministry since everyone knows very well from the current situation and their experience during special military operation that this will lead to complete loss of combat capability. >> reporter: it is remarkable that putin is continuing to allow prigozhin to get this kind of message out because prigozhin is continuing to claim that sergei shoigu, not by name, russia's defense minister, is not fighting the war well, is costing russia lives. we know because the big and popular reception prigozhin got on the streets in rostov-on-don on the weekend, that message resonates well. that's not in putin's interests. >> still an uncertain future. not only for prigozhin, but for wagner and even russia as well. nic robertson, thank you so much. jim? >> don't forget it was only 48 hours ago that putin accused prigozhin of treason against the russian nation. nato's secretary general says that prigozhin's brief but

riveting revolt shows that putin made a, quote, big strategic mistake with the invasion of ukraine. u.s. secretary of state antony blinken said it shows cracks in putin's power. so are there any immediate weaknesses that ukraine can exploit on the battlefield against russian forces there? cnn's nick paton walsh is in kyiv. nick, we know the ukrainian military is claiming some small gains on the eastern and southern front in the last 24, 48 hours. is it possible those advances are connected to a perception among ukrainian commanders that now is a time to strike, that there's weakness in russian leadership? >> reporter: we're only going to know certainly if these are connected to the weekend's events in the days ahead a little early, but you can be in no doubt that you will be in ukraine here and senior leadership observing what's happened in moscow and not necessarily popping champagne corks but thinking this is a

moment where the disarray at the top should be seized upon but that could take time and there may also be a reluctance in kyiv to get in the way of russia making this level of mistakes, they don't want to create an existential crisis that may get people to rally around putin, but we are seeing in the far east of the front line near kherson suggestions that ukrainian force right side on the move there. they're on the move from progressing 1 to 2 kilometers forward around the city of bakhmut where wagner fought pretty substantially over the winter, gained control of that city center because the russian military seems according to certainly wagner were not stepping up that task themselves. we also know that some of the fighters brought to moscow according to russian state media to defend the capital, they were chechen fighters, loyal to putin, they were taken a i way we understand from a pretty vital and heavily contested town on the donetsk front line. that may have an impact there, too. on top of that ukrainian officials are saying they've

taken another village in the so you are area that is a key part of this ongoing kornt offensive. incremental certainly. no signs of a massive breakthrough yet but it will take time, it will certainly take ukrainian officials wanting to be sure that they are not somehow providing an advantage to the russians politically by throwing it all in, that they get those decisions right and they will be getting intelligence, too, from their nato allies you can imagine as well. in the longer run yevgeny prigozhin decamping it seems possibly to belarus, maybe taking his fighters there as well. doesn't end the problem of this rebellious war lord to some degree for putin. it, again, emphasizes for the russian public how badly this war has been prosecuted and may potentially cause greater problems down the line still. >> is there concern among ukrainian officials you speak with that if wagner forces go to belarus and, again, it's not clear they are actually there, but if they do that they might apply pressure then on ukraine's northern border?

>> reporter: i mean, it's a possibility but that's pretty far-fetched at this point. it's certainly further down the line. it would be fair to say we don't actually know if prigozhin is in belarus yet. we know he thinks he might through alexander lukashenko be able to get some kind of legal existence for wagner to continue there. we don't know what level of wagner fighters are still with t them, what equipment they might take with them. we do know ukraine's northern front with belarus is something they have been concerned about and there are defenses in there as well but really wagner i think remains a thorn more in vladimir putin's side at this stage than for the ukrainians. jim? >> we will be speaking to the belarusian opposition leader next hour, we will ask her for her thoughts as well. nick paton walsh in kyiv, thanks so much. joining us to discuss all of this is retired army major general james spider marks. general, thank you so much for being with us at such a critical time here. yes, we saw yevgeny prigozhin blink here, but this was not a sign of strength for putin.

the way these events unfolded here prigozhin continuing to ding russian leadership even today. what does this mean for putin's hold on power as you see it? >> certainly it tells you that putin's grasp is weakened, i think that's the narrative and it's quite plausible but at the same time what we have not seen is any voice in opposition to putin other than prigozhin that would stand up as a possible alternative. and i'm not suggesting that that would be a jefferson yan democrat, what i am suggesting is it could be a harder line voice saying, look, our leader putin is not who he has claimed to be over the course of last two decades, he's losing his grip, he created this creature called prigozhin and allowed him to spin this near coup to a boiling point and now we have this global crisis. so i could see where somebody might pop up but we haven't seen that yet.

i think it's way too soon to say that putin is at risk. i don't think it's an imminent departure. clearly his power hold has decreased. >> general, what does this disarray in russia's most expertly trained troops many for the russian war effort in ukraine? can ukraine really capitalize on this? >> russians most expertly trained troops, i have not seen any expertly trained troops. what we have seen is a military that is in disarray, it's columns in its execution, it has been feckless in its leadership. i'm not optimistic that russia can do anything more than what it's been doing in its recent past which is lob artillery, use of drones when they engage in a tactical fight against the ukrainians they historically have lost. now, over about five months the russians have put in this great defense in depth and the ukrainians right now are being very aggressive, but cautious to

determine where those vulnerabilities and weak points are for the russians so they can exploit them. what i'm interested in seeing is can the wagner group and the conventional russian military integrate. i'm not optimistic that that can happen based on its most recent past and this incredible critical voice, this assault, this critical assault, verbal assault on the russian military and its leadership by prigozhin. >> not really a good sign for some sort of integration of wagner groups into the conventional forces there. what do western allies of ukraine need to do right now to try to capitalize on this moment? >> i think first and foremost all western allies that have been putting a bunch of treasure in terms of supporting the ukrainians need to keep that up. that's number one. do not hiccup, don't pause, do you're doing and if you can increase the pace, but also the second i think most importantly the second thing is all western

allies need to keep those communication lines open with ukrainian leadership and say, look, keep doing what you're doing, fight the plan, don't get distracted, don't assume the russians are going to turn away. do not underestimate your enemy. stay to the plan, stick to plan until the enemy, the russians give you some opportunity to exploit. stay on course. >> general spider marks, great to have you today, thank you so much. >> thank you, brianna. >> boris? u.s. intelligence analysts were surprised there wasn't more bloodshed as wagner troops marched inside russia. we are going to break down the u.s. perspective on all of this. meantime, the coast guard is investigating the catastrophic implosion of the titan submersible, a robot now searching the sea floor for clues. we have details on that. and later a new study shows an experimental pill could help people drop 15% of their body weight.

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western intelligence agencies were following the 36-hour insurrection in russia extremely closely. we reported over the weekend that u.s. intel was aware prigozhin was making preparation for weeks in advance and u.s. intel feared as well that there would be significant bloodshed as wagner troops marched towards moscow. then that effort fizzled, some were surprised by how quickly prigozhin and putin struck a deal. cnn's natasha bertrand is at the pentagon. natasha, heads were spinning among intelligence analysts over the weekend. >> reporter: that's right, jim. so u.s. intelligence officials did have some signal that prigozhin was planning a potentially major challenge to russia's military leadership but there were a number of things they were surprised by including, as you mentioned, the fact that they faced such little

resistance when they actually went into rostov and pro he hadded with their march up to moscow. it was surprising to officials that russian troops didn't do more to sfiet back and they expected more bloodshed and violence over the course of those 36 hours or so. another thing that surprised them was this deal that belarus apparently hanged to strike with prigozhin. the u.s. officials were taken off guard by the fact that prigozhin -- or that lukashenko, the president of belarus, managed to play such a significant role in getting prigozhin to turn around. so these are the things that u.s. officials are now going back and annualizing, seeing why the russian troops trying to figure out why the russian rooms did not fight back harder, whether there was any kind of dissent or any kind of movement to try to stop them amongst any of the troops and also, of course, where this all goes from here, jim. >> u.s. diplomats it seemed were taking great pains not to be seen to be interfering as these events unfolded.

what was the message from u.s. officials to russian officials over the weekend? >> reporter: well, there was a flurry of communications between kind of lower level u.s. officials with the russians to try to ensure to them that the u.s. was not playing any kind of role in this kind of insurrection by prigozhin, making them aware of the fact that the west had not incited the rebellion or done anything to promote it. so the main message was, look, we had nothing to do with this. the second message of course was keep our diplomats safe. you have an obligation to do so. and then the third message according to my colleague kylie atwood is that they wanted to make sure that putin and that the russians would not resort to the use of nuclear weapons to try to quell this rebellion. their message was we do not want to see you tap into that nuclear stockpile. a flurry of communications on both sides that the secretary of state says he authorized directly, jim. >> remarkable that they felt the need to communicate that, please

don't use nuclear weapons just to -- so many outcomes could have been just amazing. natasha bertrand, thanks so much. boris? let's expand the conversation now with a member of the house intelligence committee, republican congressman austin scott of georgia. congressman, thank you for being with us this afternoon. yevgeny prigozhin now says that this was not an attempted coup, but as we know often with russia all is not as it seems. i'm wondering if you buy his explanation. >> no, i don't buy it, and i will tell you as time goes on we will know more. the magnitude of what has happened in russia over the last 36 hours i don't think can be understated. it's going to have global implications, you know, when we talk about something being a protest, neville knee was a protesting in russia, he is alive because after he was poised by vladimir putin people

were able to get him to the hospital soon enough. now he is in prison in russia. i am taken aback at the freedom of movement that prigozhin and wagner had through russia. at the same time i will tell you, you know, putin built wagner into what it is so that he could carry out paramilitary operations without his hands being on it and i imagine some of the russian soldiers were probably not sure what was happening, whether they were operating under the authority of vladimir putin or prigozhin. so obviously a lot of confusion inside of russia right now, we will know more about what actually happened i think as time pushing on, but there is a lot of confusion right now inside of russia. the one thing that is clear is that vladimir putin does not have the grasp on that country that he has had in the past. >> our reporting indicates that there was intelligence among western allies that something like this was coming. i'm wondering what intelligence you've seen says about his

intentions. >> i can't speak to that. i mean, everybody has seen the open source back and forth where tremendous criticism from one to the other, that's open source. i can tell you anything that's been shared with me in the intel community is certainly something that i can't speak to. >> congressman, the white house and secretary of state blinken, they have maintained that the united states had nothing to do with this instability, they want to continue to keep hands off. is there a way that the west can benefit from this, though, specifically in the context of the war in ukraine? >> so number one i will tell you that the white house and the secretary of state are telling the absolute truth on this and i would suggest that somebody what you know is better than what you don't know. prigozhin is the last person in the world i think you would want in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. certainly while we don't like vladimir putin replacing him

with prigozhin and somebody with the mindset of the mercenary that he is is not in the best interest of anybody in the world. the way we benefit from this as the western part of the world obviously it shows that there's more than just a conflict or inability to coordinate between wagner and russian regulars in ukraine and so i think that creates some opportunity for -- opportunities for us that hopefully we will take advantage of and, again, these assessments will be going on, boris, and we're going to know a lot more i think over the next several days and weeks about what actually happened, but, again, do not underestimate the magnitude of what has happened inside russia with one of the strongest leaders in the world and vladimir putin losing his grasp on one of the largest countries in the world that possesses the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. >> sir, you just alluded to the united states taking advantage of the situation, specifically what would you like to see happen? >> well, i would like to make

sure that we use any cracks that we see in their ability to function in ukraine to push them further out of ukraine. so when you look at the logistics of war, certainly you've got the war on the battle front, you know, if we see weaknesses in their inability to get the supplies to their troops we need to be taking advantage of that and pushing those troops back. the other thing i will tell you is that you can always lose the war at home not just on the battlefield and so as you look at what is happening inside russia, if there is a coup or weakness that is going on there, i don't think we as the united states want to be a part of that coup, but we need to be paying very close attention to who the next leader of russia is and, again, the movement and how far and how fast prigozhin was able to move through there is an indicator of two things, one, that russia is losing some of his grasp -- that putin is

losing some of his grasp, but, two, putin obviously did not know what was coming. so somebody in putin's intelligence field should have been advising him of the threats from bag ner and from prigozhin and what they were expecting to happen and putin obviously was not getting that information. >> yeah, its especially concerning when you consider that russia has more nuclear weapons than any other country on earth and if they fall into the wrong hands, who knows what can happen. congressman austin scott, thank you so much for the time. >> thank you. brianna? >> three san antonio police officers charged with murdering a woman in her apartment. what led up to this fatal shooting. and the coast guard beginning to look into what made that titan sub implode. up head we will show you the evidence that investigators will be reviewing. a "let's dig in" day... mm. ...a "chow down" day...

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it is the top priority for the u.s. coast guard combing the sea floor to find debris from the doomed titan submersible that claimed the lives of five people. multiple international agencies are looking into what caused this catastrophic implosion. the coast guard's highest level of investigation now involved here, the marine board will review voice recordings and data from the sub. we have cnn's miguel marquez following all of this from st.

john's newfoundland. miguel, tell us the very latest on these investigations. >> reporter: yeah, six investigations or inquiries in all so far. four different countries, the u.s., canada, french and the uk will all be -- their agencies will all be investigating. the royal canadian mounted police, they may bring criminal charges or start a criminal investigation if the facts of this case warrant it, they say. they will be looking into all of that. that is the polar prince here, this is the ship that took the titan out to the titanic wreck site. it was docked across the harbor here in st. john's for most of the weekend where the tsb here in canada, the transportation safety board was speaking to the crew, to oceangate employees and to some of the family members, christine dawood was on that ship, she was supposed to be on the titan, she gave up her spot for her son.

she talked to the bbc about saying good-bye to her husband and son before they boarded the titan. >> we just hugged and joked, actually, because shahzada was so excited to go down. he was like a little child. >> a lifelong dream of his to do it? >> yes, absolutely. he had this ability of childlike excitement. so they both were so excited. it was supposed to be shahzada and i going down and then i stepped back and gave the space to suleman because he really wanted to go. >> reporter: so in all there were 11 surface ships, four planes and several submersibles searching an area of about 13,000 square miles in that very distant area of the atlantic from where we are. this is the closest land to it, 460 miles away. the cost of this in the

millions. we don't really -- none of the agencies can give us a sense -- a fair sense of the costs yet, but the u.s. coast guard says likely like they do in all emergencies it will be them and us, the taxpayers, picking up the tab. back to you. >> miguel, what about the transparency issue that is doing i dogging this process, authorities did actually know a sound consistent with an implosion long before they ever let the public know that. >> reporter: i think that will be part of all of this because that came from the defense department, because there were sensitivities there, it is difficult to say what precisely they knew and why they didn't make that information more evident to investigators or to the public, but, look, investigators and the search and rescue they maintain that they believed -- they didn't have enough information and they believed they might be alive. it was always a sliver of hope

and they believe that as long as there was that sliver of hope, they would continue to search. brianna. >> was that information of that sound only confirmed by what was found on the ocean floor, that is certainly a possibility. miguel marquez live for us in newfo newfoundland, thank you. three san antonio police officers have now been charged with murder in the death of a woman in her apartment. today the family of 46-year-old melissa ann perez says they are heartbroken and reportedly plan to file a lawsuit against the city as well. those charges come less than 24 hours after the officers fatally shot perez as they responded to a police call over her allegedly cutting wires to the fire alarm system at her apartment complex. body cam footage captures the moment officers opened fire on her. we do want to warn you, you may want to turn away, the video is distu

disturbing. >> you ain't got no warrant. >> go. >> watch out. >> watch out. [ gunshots ] >> hey. hey. [ gunshots ] >> back up. [ gunshots ] all those shots, more than a dozen shots are heard on that body cam video. perez was shot at least twice, she died at the scene. san antonio's police chief says she did not pose an imminent threat, was having an apparent mental health crisis. deadly force not reasonable. john miller, cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst joins me now. john, given how quickly prosecutors came forward with charges here, within 24 hours, what does that tell you about the circumstances of the shooting? >> well, i think what it tells us is that the video told the story which is when you watch that video as a police professional what you're asking

yourself is where is the attempt to deescalate the situation? where is the attempt to slow down the action here? if anything, it seems that their encounter with -- with melissa ann perez is speeding things up and increasing the intensity. the real -- the real wild card here is that there's two police officers there who get the call but they are accompanied by a sergeant and it's really the supervisor's job, jim, to take control of the thing and say she's fled into the house, you know, we've displayed weapons, she has said "shoot me" she's clearly mentally imbalanced let's call in the crisis negotiation team and get containment but none of that happened. it went to gunfire very quickly and i think that's why the case has moved so quickly as we saw in the memphis, tennessee, case. with a lot of transparency, releasing the videos very quickly. >> the family -- family attorney i should say put out a statement saying, quote, we believe that there are systemic problems in the department that allowed this

to happen. based on what you know about this case is there evidence that this was not an isolated incident, that there are systemic issues here? >> well, you have shootings in 2014, in 2016 by the san antonio police department that have received a lot of scrutiny, a lot of attention and a lot of controversy. this one because it's captured on video and the facts of it are so stark i think is adding a spotlight there. bill mcmanus, the police chief there has been a police chief in dayton, he's been the police chief of minneapolis, he comes out of washington, d.c. he's a graduate of the fbi's national executive institute. he has been working to reform that department and i think if you look at the swift actions of the chief, suspending the officers, firing the officers, working with the prosecutors to get charges there, you are seeing a police department that is going to be in the spotlight and under scrutiny, but it's

moving quickly. >> no question. here is a picture of the victim there. certainly a case where there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. john miller, always good to have you. boris? a horrifying tragedy at a texas airport to share with you. a ground worker ingested by a plane's engine. we have the latest on that investigation. and some stunning images out of the midwest after an outbreak of deadly storms. today millions of people are under threat of more severe weather. we're going to show you who is at risk as cnn "news central" returns. s across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrivive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move everyone's financial goals forward. pnc bank.

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here is a look at some of the other headlines we're following this hour on cnn "news central." federal and local officials are investigating a horrific death at the san antonio international airport. officials say that an airport worker was ingested into a delta plane's engine on friday night killing him. the plane had just arrived from los angeles and was taxying to one of the gates. delta says they are heartbroken over the death. meantime, in indiana dramatic video showing a tornado ripping through a town on sunday. at least one person was killed, some 75 homes were damaged. according to local officials. the red cross right now setting up an emergency shelter for those displaced by the storm. severe weather is also wreaking havoc on the airline industry. more than 2,000 flights have either been delayed or canceled today after powerful storms ripped through parts of the united states. and the white house announcing a major investment to close the digital divide. president biden and vice

president harris unveiling a plan to provide all americans with affordable and accessible high speed internet. that plan involves $42 billion in federal funding to deliver reliable broadband to all corners of the united states by 2030. the white house estimates more than 8 million households lack internet service. president biden calls it an investment to help all americans. brianna. in the meantime, boris, the white house has been fairly muted on the russian revolt, however, president biden emphasizing today the u.s. and its allies were not involved, contrary to russian claims. he was on the phone speaking with other world leaders about the rapidly evolving situation. we have cnn's jeremy diamond live at the white house for us. do we know what the president was saying in those conversations and what are this he doing now that this coup attempt has fizzled out. >> reporter: as they have been all weekend white house officials are continuing to monitor the repercussions of this failed coup attempt inside of russia. that's because u.s. officials simply don't have the confidence

yet that this agreement allegedly brokered by belarus has entirely diffused the situation and we heard president biden today rea terming that saying that it is too early to know yet with any certainty where this is all going. so in the meantime the president has been focused on coordinating with u.s. allies ensuring as he has throughout russia's invasion of ukraine that there is a coordinated nato approach to the conflict and to the unfolding events surrounding it. and the president also emphasized the fact that as we heard very little from the white house this weekend, that was strategic. that was intentional, in part because the u.s. didn't want to give the appearance that they were weighing in or influencing events on the ground. the president weighed in on that moments ago. >> we gave putin no excuse to blame this on the west or to blame this on nato. we made clear that we were not involved. we had nothing to do with it. this was part of a struggle

within the russian system. >> reporter: and we know that president biden spoke with the ukrainian president zelenskyy yesterday, he said that he may speak with him again later today. and the other part of this is reaffirming the u.s.'s continued support for ukraine. we are expecting tomorrow another $500 million aid package for ukraine coming down the pike. brianna? >> jeremy diamond, we will be looking for that. let's head straight to the state department where they're holding their briefing right now after this attempted coup attempt in russia. >> the united states does not make a position on the leadership of the rust federation, we do not take a position on the russian ministry of defense. our policies have always been with respect to actions that russia has taken. we want a russia that is not invading its neighbors and trying to violate the territorial integrity and sovereignty of its neighbors. we want a russia that is not conducting malign influence operations across the world. that has always been our policy with russia, not the disposition of the ministry of defense or any other offices inside the

country. >> an on the record statement that came out on saturday was the confidence in command and control of the nuclear forces and i infer from that that there's military to military communication, as one would expect, between us and the russians. in contrast obviously to a different situation. >> i won't speak to any infe inferences. i will say that i will let the pentagon speak to any military to military communications whether it happened or not. i will say, however, as the secretary said yesterday we did not see, do not see any change in the disposition of russian nuclear forces and have not changed the disposition of ours. >> the secretary did say in some of his interviews that putin's influence, power, whatever, has really been shaken by this, by the speech, by the whole nexus of what has happened.

can you speak to that? >> yeah, i will say, as i said a moment ago, this certainly was a new moment in -- if you think of the events of the last few years. as the secretary said, 16 months ago the russian federal and vladimir putin envisioned that russian forces would be taking kyiv and instead over the weekend we saw russian forces taking a russian ministry of defense office inside a russian city. we saw the entire pretext of this war being questioned openly, something we have done, something our allies and partners have done, something that you have not seen inside the borders of russia, in fact, you can be thrown in jail for taking that step as an ordinary citizen inside of russia. we saw yevgeny prigozhin directly questioning not just the ministry of defense officials as he's done for some time but really directly challenging president putin's leadership. those are all significant steps and a significant change from what we've seen. certainly in the last 16 months, but over a number of years.

where that -- what that means going forward, we don't know. >> has vladimir putin as you know him and as this administration knows him tolerated this kind of insubordination, whether in the immediate future or long term, would he tolerate this kind of challenge to his authority? >> i would not ever want to speculate on how vladimir putin might respond to any events, certainly not an event inside russia. >> kyle. >> on the diplomatic efforts that were made over the weekend, did russians respond to those messages from u.s. diplomats, ambassador tracy and the others? >> i won't speak to the russian response. i will just speak to the messages thatto characterize th. i'm asking you to -- >> it was a conversation. it was a conversation, yes. >> reporter: one thing that the secretary said over the weekend

is that to the extent that russia is now distracted by what's happening internally in his country, that could create an additional advantage for the ukrainians. how exactly is the united states encouraging ukraine to take advantage of this moment? >> so, i would say that -- i would frame it slightly differently. we continue to supply ukraine with the weapons they need to defend themselves long term. we continue to have intelligence training with the ukrainians. we have diplomatic channels open with ukraine. what the secretary was speaking to is that you did see wagner forces withdraw from ukraine and move on to a russian city. how that shapes out with respect to wagner forces or other

military forces, i don't think we can seay. we're in consultation with ukraine and the military offensive. >> reporter: the white house and the state department said prigozhin and -- what changed do you think changed between prigozhin and moscow? >> it's too soon to tell. it's too early to tell how any of the existing wagner operations or wagner arrangements will change, if at all, moving forward. >> reporter: the chinese foreign minister and russian foreign minister had a meeting yesterday. do you know about the contents of their meeting? >> i do not know the content of the meetings. i will say -- i'll reiterate what secretary blinken said when he was in beijing which is, when

we were in beijing over a week ago now, the issue of ukraine and russia's invasion of ukraine came up in the meeting. secretary blinken was quite clear with chinese official that is he met with that, if they wanted to play a constructive role in helping find a just and lasting peace that recognized ukr ukraine's territorial integrity, we would welcome them playing such a role. i don't have any thing on that meeting that took place. >> reporter: is there anything you can pass from chinese statements about the mutiny -- i guess do you think this -- seeing this instability and the cracks in the russia regime might give china pause in their support for the russians?

>> i wouldn't want to speculate on how they might read this situation. i would say that -- i would reiterate what secretary blinken said in his meetings to them which is we would urge them to continue to not support russia with direct military assistance. we made our concerns about potential support public in the past. we've not seen them take that step. they discussed that in their meetings. and, whether it changes how they approach this conflict, i don't know. if they want to play a constructive role that recognized the need to pre serv ukr ukraine's sovereignty, we would urge them to do that. >> reporter: has there been any direct contact with the united states? >> not that i'm aware of. >> reporter: is there any message or any impact on relations?

they're already quite bad with russia, but how do you see the fact that prigozhin is going into -- >> before i comment on that, i want to wait and see what actually happens, where prigozhin actually does end up before i make any kind of speculative comment. >> reporter: do you think it's possible he'll wind up in belarus? >> we don't have any assessment. >> reporter: you mentioned africa, the wagner operation there. you can't say yet what is going to happen. is there a message the united states have to countries that have partnered with wagner, about what this unrest shows? >> i'll say two things. number one, i'll reiterate the message we've given to these countries in the past. any time wagner enters a country, death and destruction follows. we've seen wagner exploit local

populations, extract local wealth. we've seen them commit human rights abuses. we encourage all countries not to engage with wagner forces. second, with respect to this, i would say what happened over the weekend, it would just reiterate -- reinforce the concerns we stated about the instability that wagner brings with it when it enters any country. >> reporter: couple questions. what is the state's department definition on what happened or failed to happen over the weekend? >> what do you mean? >> reporter: you said the events that happened. do you have a definition of -- >> i think the events that happened was yevgeny prigozhin took a group of forces and marched on rostov and continued on to moscow and stopped. >> reporter: as far as any

other -- >> no one of the united states government has used that term. i won't speak to his motivations, what his intentions were. it's vladimir putin that raised t 1917, not anyone in the u.s. government [ inaudible question ] >> i'm not going to speak to the characterization. the conversations we had with the russian government were on saturday and along the lines i outlined a minute ago. >> reporter: it was said we haven't seen the last act yet. might this just be a long-running internal fight in russia? >> what the secretary was speaking to was obvious. this is a situation that remains dynamic and we do not know how

it will end. >> reporter: how does the secretary envision the last act? >> it's russia withdrawing its forces from ukraine. if not, ukraine being victorious on the battlefield. beyond that i wouldn't want to speculate. >> reporter: do you have an assessment on the status of the wagner forces after the weekend's events? >> i do not. >> reporter: just to summarize what happened, whether you call it a coup or not, there was almost a coup within the world's largest nuclear power over the weekend. you mention him questioning the war as kind of a positive. this is also the same guy, prigozhin, who has criticized putin for not being aggressive enough in the war with ukraine and said things like russia should become more like north korea to have success in this war. he took over russia's southern

military district. that's 60 miles away from one of their nuclear air bases. this seems like an incredibly dangerous situation. i see you're viewing some of the developments in a positive light. to me it seems like this was the most dangerous situation that happened since the beginning of the war. my question is, you know, given how much funding we've provided in this war, we provided more than any country in the world, more than the two countries fighting the war. we could end this diplomatically to avoid another situation. you say we're still supporting ukraine to the end. was there no consideration of how differently this coup could have gone, how out of hand this could have gone? does that affect your consideration into, like, is it worth it? is it worth this nuclear risk? is it worth it, a mercenary getting access to russia's

nuclear -- >> let me stop you. that was a lot. i don't agree with your interpretation of the events here. number two, there are no heros on this side, either the russian regime or yevgeny prigozhin. we've seen both forces commit brutal atrocities in ukraine, attacking civilians. we do not take any position on what is an internal russian matter, which is ultimately a decision for the russian people to make. third, i will say, when you look at the events over the weekend, it only reinforces the need for us to continue to support ukraine, which is the country that was invaded by russia, by russian military forces and by wagner forces. if anything, our support for ukraine in the wake of this event is morest ste t