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nuclear -- >> let me stop you. that was a lot. i don't agree with your interpretation of the events here. number two, there are no heros on this side, either the russian regime or yevgeny prigozhin. we've seen both forces commit brutal atrocities in ukraine, attacking civilians. we do not take any position on what is an internal russian matter, which is ultimately a decision for the russian people to make. third, i will say, when you look at the events over the weekend, it only reinforces the need for us to continue to support ukraine, which is the country that was invaded by russia, by russian military forces and by wagner forces. if anything, our support for ukraine in the wake of this event is morest steadfast than it's ever been.
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>> reporter: i wasn't trying to say you were supporting prigozhin. i'm saying this development was extremely dangerous. do you at least admit that? he was 60 miles from their nuclear air base. >> the secretary said that instability in a major country is always a major concern. >> reporter: at the world's largest nuclear -- >> i answered the question. one more. kylie first. >> reporter: one thing that you mentioned -- sorry. you said the united states will continue -- sorry. the united states will continue to impose costs on wagner or its successor. is there any indication that wagner is setting up a successor organization? >> we've noted the announcements
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by the ministry of defense that wagner forces are supposed to be absorbed into the ministry of defense. don't have any assessment of what will happen to the wagner group either in ukraine or elsewhere around the world, but whether it's wagner or a successor or any other organization that conducts the activity that is wagner has conducted to destabilize countries, we will hold those organizations accountable. >> reporter: no indication that prigozhin is actively forming a successor organization? >> i don't have any assessment at this time. >> reporter: there are media reports that the biden administration had intelligence involved in the mutiny, rebellion, whatever you call it, since mid june. is that correct? if that's true, why didn't the administration issue any warnings to citizens inside russia since mid june? >> a few things. number one, i'm not going to
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speak to any intelligence matters, as i never do, from this podium. you didn't need a classified briefing to know there were tensions between yevgeny prigozhin and the russian ministry of defense. he's been quite open about those and they've been escalating for the last several months. with respect to american citizens in russia, separate and apart from this matter, we've been quite clear that any american citizens considering travel to russia should not do so and any american citizens in russia should depart immediately. anything else on this topic? go ahead. >> reporter: another media report that state department treasury decided to postpone announcing new sanctions against wagner following the mutiny. can you confirm that? >> no. we never comment on the timing of sanctions. generally we time the sanctions actions we take for maximum
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impact and maximum effect. we will continue, as i said, to hold wagner or any other organization that conducts the destabilizing activities accountable. sayid gets the first nonrussia question. >> reporter: i want to follow up. the russians are responding if real time to the out reach the president ordered. are you confident they will -- >> i certainly wouldn't want to speculate about the second part of your question. these were conversations that we had with russian officials. you know the way a conversation works. you say something. they respond. so, yes, we're responding. >> reporter: how do you sview te possibility -- i know you said you don't want to speculate --
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the possibility of putin adopting more aggressive tactics in ukraine as an attempt to consolidate strength after this event? >> i wouldn't want to speculate about that at all. over the weekend they continued to launch missile strikes on ukraine. all i can say are the -- all i can speak to is the actions we'll take, which is to continue to provide ukraine what it needs to defend itself. all right. i'm going to go -- you don't have to. sayid, the floor is yours. we've been listening to a briefing from the state department, giving an update on the u.s. view of events in russia saying events in russia remain dynamic. he noted and made clear the u.s. was not involved in any way saying that the u.s. doesn't take any position in the ongoing
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dispute between prigozhin's forces and putin, while noting dramatic events this weekend, including as he pointed out, that prigozhin called into question the pretext for the war in ukraine, challenged putin's leadership and took his forces to march on a russian city, taking over one and heading towards the capital before they turned around. other updates today from the leader of that rebellion. the wagner group chief yevgeny prigozhin said that regime change was never the goal of his rebellion. here's part of his audio statement released as he remains off the grid and out of sight. >> translator: two factors played into my decision to turn around. first factor, we wanted to avoid a russian blood shed. second, we marched in demonstration as a protest, not to overthrow the country.
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at this time a hand was extended and an offer for solutions for the further work of wagner. >> prigozhin also said in his statement that his forces had taken down russian aircraft during their rebellion. moscow has tried to blame the west for the chaos this weekend. that is a common kremlin tactic in the face of internal turmoil. nick robertson joins us now. nick, it's been 48 hours since putin accused prigozhin of t treason against russia and yet now he seems to have a new lease on life, prigozhin. what is our best knowledge of where prigozhin is and where his forces are? >> reporter: his forces are on their way back to base. it's interesting that in prigozhin's statement that he said they had a plan because none of his troops wanted to do what the ministry of defense
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told them to do, which is get out of wagner and sign up to the russian military by the end of the month. they had a plan at the end of the month to turn all that heavy equipment they have over to russian military bases. there's no real indication yet if any of that started happening, if he is still under pressure, if wagner is still under pressure to essentially wrap itself up and become something else. i think that the fact that prigozhin has said that there's hope of keeping the wagner enterprise, business going, giving it legal jurisdiction, that would be a big pull for him to end up in belarus to be able to do that. for him to do that he's going to have to trust that russia isn't going to try and grab him again. we heard from russian officials saying, hey, we have a legal investigation into what was said on saturday.
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monday we're still investigating what you did. later today the kremlin indicating that they need to take sometime to analyze what they do about wagner. >> we'll speak to the belarus opposition leader to see what she knows about where prigozhin is. you heard the state department perhaps in diplomatic understatement describing the situation in russia as remaining dynamic. i know you've been pushing sources throughout the last 24, 48 hours. what is our best understanding of the state of affairs in russia right now in the wake of this? >> reporter: the kremlin will try to slow things down. they put out holding video of putin, holding video of the minister of defense who prigozhin is still saying is doing a bad job and he should go. it's a holding pattern by the kremlin. putin is not speaking. that allows him to disassociate
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himself from the disaster that played out over the weekend. the prime minister, lower people, various people within the kremlin are speaking on his behalf. where they go from here, i think it will be sometime before the dust really settles and we know what happens, the question about the defense minister, does he get replaced or these very big and concerning issues therefore. >> does the dust necessarily settle given how much the divisions exposed? nick robertson, good to have you on. brianna? let's go to the white house where john kirby is speaking. >> the united states closely monitored those events with president biden receiving literally hour by hour updates from his national security team throughout the weekend. those updates continue for him.
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on saturday morning the president had a call with his top national security aides to discuss the developments and impacts that instability in russia could have. the president also convened calls with many of our allies throughout the weekend and those calls continue. national security adviser sullivan, secretary blinken, secretary of defense austin spoke with their counterparts as well. now, as the president noted, it was important that both internally here inside the administration and externally with our allies and partners, including with ukraine, that we all shared our perspectives on what was going on and we all stayed on the same page. we made clear to our allies and partners that the united states was not involved and would not get involved in these events, and that we view them as internal russian matters. we delivered that same message to the russians themselves through appropriate diplomatic
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channels. i'll emphasize, as the president did just a little bit ago, it's too early to speculate on the impact these events might have or reach any definitive conclusions, except one of course. that is that no matter what happens next we're going to stay closely coordinated with our allies and parent tners and cone to stand with ukraine. ukrainian forces are still fighting for their country. they're still taking and inflicting casualties. whatever occurred in russia did not change those facts. didn't change the facts for us. didn't change the facts for ukraine. they're not going to change our continued support. with that, i'm happy to take a few questions. >> reporter: what implications do you expect this episode will have on wagner's power and ability both inside ukraine as a fighting force and also more
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broadly in africa where they have a big footprint? where does wagner go from here? do you have any early read on that? >> we don't. we don't know the answer to your question. it's too soon to know. we recognize that wagner still has a presence in africa. i think you know we've worked to hold wagner accountable. they're listed as a transnational criminal organization. we've sanctioned them. we'll continue to take those action that is are appropriate to limit their ability to sow chaos and violence. it's too soon to know where wagner goes as an entity or where mr. prigozhin goes in terms of his leadership. >> reporter: do you know where prigozhin is? >> i don't. >> reporter: ukraine is warning that russia has completed preparations to blow up the zaporizhzhia power station. is that your assessment? >> i would tell you we're watching that very closely
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seeing that reporting. we have, as you know, the ability near the plant to monitor radio activity. we haven't seen any indication that that threat is imminent, but we're watching it very closely. >> reporter: as secretary blinken said, this exposed cracks in putin's power. how concerned are you that putin could be more desperate, more unpredictable, to the point he was take more extreme measures to maintain his grip on power? >> i won't speak on vladimir putin or hypothesize about the next steps he might take or might not take. it's important to take a step back and remember that the russians still have tens of thousands of troops inside ukraine and that, as i said in my opening statement, there's still active fighting going on. the ukrainians are still trying to claw back territory. the russians are still
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vigorously trying to defend against those efforts by the ukrainians. casualties are being taken. it's important to remember that. we're going to make sure h we help to make sure ukraine continues to succeed on the battlefield. as president biden said very well earlier, this is an internal matter for the russian system. >> reporter: john, do you see president putin as being weakened? >> again, we're focussed on what's going on in ukraine. this is an internal russian matter. i think it's important to remember that mr. putin still commands a very large and very capable military. the bulk of that military is across the border in ukraine and that military is defending itself against ukrainian attacks and we've got to stay focussed on what really matters in front of us and that's helping ukraine succeed on the battlefield.
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[ inaudible question ] >> we through diplomatic channels conveyed those messages to russia directly. one, there was no u.s. involvement here, nor would there be, and that we expect russia to observe its international obligations for the protection of diplomatic personnel inside moscow. >> reporter: do you have any indication that russia thinks that the u.s. or west, nato, were involved? >> i can't begin to speculate what russians think or what mr. putin thinks. look, we saw some social media activity from the defense minister at the suspicion of
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western involvement. i think we can all spare him the event by making it clear there was no u.s. involvement whatsoever. >> reporter: i want to follow up on that. given the emphasis you and the president have made today, do you think the issue of u.s. involvement or our ability to know that something was going to happen in advance contribute tcontributes to the instability at the moment? >> we're all concerned by any potential for instability in russia given the stakes and given what's going on in ukraine. i'm not going to talk about intelligence matters one way or the other here. the rift between mr. prigozhin and the wagner group and the russian ministry of defense was playing out in public for all of you to see. the tensions, the frustrations, the anger, the accusations all played out publicly. that was no secret whatsoever.
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now, what that tension does inside russia, again, that's an internal russian matter. what we've got to do is not get distracted by that and make sure we're focussed on supporting ukraine. >> reporter: one follow up on a different subject briefly. at the question and answer event with the president and prime minister modi our colleagues from the "wall street journal" asked a question of the prime minister. since that time she's been subjected to intense online harassment from people in india. some of them are politicians. in part they've been targeting her because of her muslim faith and questioning her own heritage. because this was supposed to be about democracy in some form, wanted to find out the white house reaction to the fact that a journalist posing a question to a democratic leader is
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getting that pushback? >> we're aware of those reports of harassment. it's unacceptable. we condemn any harassment of journalists anywhere under any circumstances. it's completely unacceptable and it's against the very principles of democracy that were on display during the state visit. >> reporter: so do you agree that the counteroffensive, the ukrainian counteroffensive, has gone more slowly than expected? do you analyze considering the wagner group will be busy doing something else, that it will help the counteroffensive? >> i don't know what the wagner group is going to be busy doing. it's just too soon to know how this will play out, whether in africa or elsewhere, certainly in ukraine. i'm not -- i have said before and i'll say it again today, i'm not going to do quarterback arm
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chair coaching about the offensive. that's up to president zelenskyy. they have what they need to succeed, whether training tools or equipment. you'll see another round of support from this administration for ukraine in terms of weapons and capabilities this week. we're focussed on that. >> reporter: just to make sure, kirby, that i understand, how much did the nsc know about the development of this wagner movement towards moscow before it started? >> as i mentioned to kelly, the tension between wagner and the russian military of defense was widely known. >> reporter: we didn't know it was rolling towards moscow. >> i'm not going to talk about intelligence matters. >> reporter: so what should we call what transpired over the weekend? was it a mutiny, coup, attempted
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coup, armed rebellion? >> we're not slapping a bumper sticker on it, ed. >> reporter: was the objective ever to directly threaten putin or the kremlin? >> can you say that again? >> reporter: in the u.s.'s assessment, was it to directly threaten putin or the kremlin? >> i won't comment on what their -- it's not something we can accurately or appropriately speak to. what i can speak to is we made sher sure we latched up with our allies and partners and that we made appropriate communications with the russians to protect our diplomats. >> reporter: you were describing early attempts to talk to the
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russians about what happened. did they respond in real time? >> there were appropriate diplomatic discussions that occurred over the weekend. >> reporter: is the u.s. confident the russians will be respondent in the event of a nuclear crisis? >> i will tell you -- this has been the case for the last 16 months. russia is a nuclear power. we've been monitoring as best we can russian strategic posture, their nuclear capabilities. that continues. we've seen no indication outside of the blustering rhetoric that there's any intent to use nuclear weapons inside ukraine, and i can also assure you that we've done nothing -- we've seen nothing that would compel us to change our strategic posture. >> reporter: given how the interactions went over the
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weekend, you're confident they would respond in real time -- >> we had good conversations with the russians over the weekend. >> reporter: given all that interaction this weekend, could you say right now who is in charge of the russian military? >> the russian military -- first of all, i wouldn't -- it's not my job to speak for another military. there's absolutely no indication that there's been any changes that we've seen in the chain of command for the russian military forces. >> reporter: john, the nato summit is just a few weeks away. how have the events of this past weekend in any way changed or modified the agenda for the nato summit? >> again, it's too soon here. this just happened over the weekend. i think i would be fibbing if i told you there was a big agenda item change because of what happened over the weekend. we'll have to see how this plays
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out. it's too soon to know what the impacts are. it's going to be an important nato summit regardless because we're now almost a year in a into a war here in ukraine. we have a new nato member in finland and hopefully soon a 32nd member. there's a lot on the agenda to speak to. it's a critical time for the alliance. the president is looking forward to it. >> reporter: does the administration subscribe to the view as it relates to russian leadership, who essentially leads that country, that the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know? >> i'm not sure i completely understand the question. let me attack it this way. if i'm wrong -- you lost me there a little bit on the devil stuff. >> reporter: i'm sorry to get into that. i was saying would you prefer to have vladimir putin leading russia or an entity like the wagner group or someone named
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from the wagner group leading the russian government? >> legally that's up to the russian people to term who their leadership is. we would prefer to see russia not invade their neighboring countries. we would prefer to see russia, since they already did that, remove all their troops from ukraine and end the war today, which they could do. that's what we prefer. >> reporter: john, you said a number of times you decline to comment on putin's grip on power by saying it's an internal russian matter. is that a deliberate decision by the u.s. government to avoid contributing to the notion that the u.s. was somehow behind this or does the white house not have an assessment of his grip on power? >> we're not going to speak to an internal domestic russian issue. we're staying focussed on supporting ukraine. i just want to disavow you of
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the idea that we're saying we weren't involved is because of the situation in moscow and mr. putin's leadership. it was important to say it on the face of it. we weren't involved. what we'll be involved in is supporting ukraine. >> reporter: there's been higher european natural gas prices. how closely is the administration watching this? >> we've been watching this since the beginning of the war and we'll continue to do that. >> reporter: john, on weakness, are you concerned about the instability in russia because of the nuclear capability if they have to come out stronger and they can use that, is that -- >> you're listening to john kirby from the white house briefing room following this situation we saw unfolding in
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russia. he was asked to put a label on this. is it a revolt, rebellion, a coup? he said, we're not going to slap a bumper sticker on it. he's not going to label it. he said they haven't seen a change in the military chain of command as far as russia goes and reiterating what we've heard time and again, including from president biden, that the u.s. was not involved in this. western allies of ukraine were not involved in this, counter to some of the claims we've heard from russia. a lot going on. we heard the state department briefing. we heard this briefing out of the white house. we're going to take a quick break and be back with more. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do.
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♪ this is just into cnn. the kremlin spokesperson says president vladimir putin will be speaking soon, saying he will, quote, make a number of important statements this evening. keep in mind it's 9:30 p.m. in moscow. this should be very soon. it's already getting late that as he has these important statements. moments ago in the u.s., the white house reiterating there
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was no u.s. or western involvement whatsoever in the rebellion by the wagner group in russia. in the mean sometime the state department saying the u.s. does not know the location of yevgeny prigozhin. i want to bring in senior fellow at the atlantic fellow michael botcheque. matthew miller said it's the most dangerous situation since the beginning of war. you're waiting to see what putin is going to be saying tonight. i wonder considering this isn't a position of strength that he is in, what he is trying to do here to manage this narrative as you see it. >> good to be with you, brianna ke keilar. i happen to not subscribe to the fact that this was a coup. i would say russian coup question mark. i say this might have been a
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very well scripted attempt by mr. putin to do what he always does, play different factions against each other. to test people's loyalty. to do house cleaning at the top. also, it might have been an opportunity for him to signal to the west that, look, there are worse autocrats or con men than myself in the form of mr. prigozhin. he has quite the rap sheet. it remains to be seen. i was raised in the house of being taught to question everything you see spoken by the kremlin. >> you're describing some chess there. explain how that would work if you had vladimir putin looking at all these statements recently here from yevgeny prigozhin where he's challenging putin, lambasting the russian government. what would you expect putin may have done as you see this outcome here?
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>> yeah, well, i think these are two individuals co-dependent on each other. mr. putin is responsible for mr. prigozhin being elevated from crook to hot dog vendor to basically the catering operation for the russian military. also, mr. prigozhin runs compared to western european armies like the belgium or the netherlands, a big military force. let's not forget the american authorities have blamed mr. prigozhin for influencing u.s. elections, meddling and spreading false news. i can't really believe that mr. putin would get rid of mr. prigozhin that quickly. he needs him very badly. we may even see him rehabilitated in some way. >> very interesting. where do you think -- we just heard from john kirby speaking from the white house briefing
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room, that the u.s. does not know where prigozhin is at this point. where do you think he could be? where do you think he may be headed? ultimately belarus as we've been told, what do you think? >> well, i'll tell you what he won't be doing. he won't be riding a tractor into the sunset. he won't be digging potato feeds in belarus, nor will he be going into the jungles of africa where wagner has operations. i think he'll re-emerge. given the way the russian military has performed, i think this rehabilitation might take place. we're getting reports that wagner is recruiting fighters. it's just really difficult to fathom that he would disappear off the face of the earth. having said that, stranger things have happened to opponents or people who are suspected of opposing mr. putin
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falling out of hotel windows, drinking poisoned cocktails. >> you mentioned wagner's presence in africa. the presence there is incredibly lucrative for russia. some of the money brought in by mining there and different operations there, criminal ventures the u.s. would label. what does that mean for putin and for russia as he proceeds here? >> yeah, well, russia is very dependent on this revenue because oil revenue has been choked off in various places, especially oil and gas in europe. in the drc wagner group is said to have substantial revenue from diamond mining to the tune of a billion dollars a year. putin can't have that revenue
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cut off right now. the difference between mr. prigozhin and some of the senior russian military leaders is that prigozhin has been seen at the frontline. he's got very strong loyalty among his men. this is a fighting force that, if it were immediately disappearing from the frontline, would really affect russia's chances of getting further into ukraine. >> so much to watch here and see how this develops. thank you so much for helping us understand this. >> my pleasure. >> boris? still ahead wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin said the russia defense minister extended his hand, but belarus says they can't confirm if prigozhin has arrived in the country or what his status will be. a belarus opposition leader joins us live when we come b ba. ♪
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we are standing by for russian president vladimir putin to make a statement. this after putin allegedly agreed to after speaking with belarus president alexaksandr lukashenko to have prigozhin come to belarus. media is reporting that lukashenko will discuss all
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details of that deal. joining me now is the belarus opposition leader. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jim. >> to your knowledge is yevgeny prigozhin or any of his forces in belarus? >> first of all, lukashenko is not the president of belarus. he's a person who seized power and keeps people as hostages. going to your question, we don't have confirmation that prigozhin arrived in belarus. the information about wagners camps in belarus has not been confirmed either. the goal is to mislead. nevertheless, i don't know what prigozhin intends to do in belarus, but he's definitely not welcome in our country.
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he's a war criminal and he can bring the war to belarus. we don't want that. we heard from prigozhin today that lukashenko promised him to legalize the wagner crew. what that means in practice, we don't know. there are rumors that wagner was to open up in our territory. if that happened, there could be threats. just imagine thousands of foreign troops in our territory. prigozhin might be involved in military training or whatever. >> to your point, i know you and your team -- >> banishment. >> sorry. we lost you for a moment. finish your thought. >> just heard an interesting opinion today that we don't know if banishment of prigozhin is deportation or his mission, for example, to make provocation in
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belarus on the eve of nato convening. >> you have said if prigozhin and his forces were to come to belarus or his presence there confirmed, that would be a threat, not only to belarus, but also to neighboring countries, including nato allies such as poland. what threat exactly? >> of course it's not excluded that prigozhin could be involved in another attack on ukraine from belarus territory. however, ukraine is much better prepared than one year ago. also, it can create threat to neighbors to create provocations at the border for example. soon there will be nato there and it can distract attention. it can make lithuania to strengthen their military
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presence on the borders. >> that is an alarming prospect, trouble on the border with nato allies. as you know, russia has said it is moving or has moved nuclear weapons to belarus. is it your belief that they've already moved them there? if it does, what is that threat to europe? >> actually, of course, it might -- the deployment of nuclear weapons is a risk for belarus. this deployment will bring the presence of russia in our country for many years. even after changes, it will be difficult to get rid of this weapon. as i hear from our nato partners, they say that it doesn't mean a lot for them if nuclear weapons are deployed in belarus. we ask them to look at this from the point of view of the belarus
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people. it makes belarus a target for forcible counterattack and, of course, this nuclear weapon will be closer to our neighbors. >> lukashenko, as i know you believe and there's a lot of evidence, is really a puppet of putin's. would prigozhin, if he goes to belarus, be safe there or would his life be in danger? >> i think that mr. prigozhin -- this cannot be over. if it wasn't a prepared scenario, for example, let's take that for granted. putin or prigozhin himself, they would like to take revenge. putin for this humiliation and prigozhin for, you know, just to show, to prove that he is not
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agreeing with the military power in russia and it also was humiliating for him because he had to return back heading only 200 kilometers to moscow. the story is not over. >> before we go, you know that putin does not like challenges to his own leadership and power. lukashenko is his man, in effect, in belarus. is your life in danger for challenging lukashenko? >> i think that the life and freedom of everyone who is opposing the regime and who is opposing the war, they likely face threats because, of course, lukashenko, it's a huh miliatio for lukashenko that people are opposing him and not giving up.
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we he sees how we deprive the regime of legitimacy. we create economical pressure on the regime. of course, i can't feel safe, but now we have to pay attention to the safety of people who are in belarus, who can be detained at any moment. every day, 10, 15 people in belarus are detained. >> i know among them your husband. thank you so much for joining us. we wish you safety going forward. >> thank you. boris? after a major supreme court decision, a move that could impact the balance of power in congress. louisiana will have to redraw its congressional map to add another majority black district. we'll take you live to capitol hill to listen to what impact this will have when we come back.
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the supreme court is clearing the way for louisiana to redraw its congressional map to add another majority black district in the state. the justices reversed plans to hear the case themselves. and lifted a hold being placed on lower court's order. this decision appears to be an immediate result from the justices' surprise opinion i should say, against alabama a few weeks ago, cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill. manu, could this ruling potentially change the balance in congress? >> reporter: it potentially could, boris, because of how they're the majority is, kevin
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mccarthy, speaker of the house, only can lose, at the most, four seats to become speaker of the house in the new congress. if democrats pick up five seats they'll take the majority here. we expect, as a result of the supreme court ruling this year in alabama we expect there to be an additional seat in the majority democratic district, they tend to favor democrats and also in louisiana. that has to work its way out through the course process if it shakes out the way advocates in particular think that democrats think they can pick up an additional seat in louisiana. a delegation that just has now one democratic seat. where dot other seats come from? that's an open question. there are other redistricting cases that could favor republicans in ohio and north carolina pop those need to play out. also, big other states like georgia and wisconsin, still an understanding drawing the lines, how the districts, how that could also shake out. but perhaps one of the biggest questions here in the months
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ahead is what will happen in new york. new york was a key state in the last midterm election in 2022. republicans managed to run the table on key states, key districts, which is why they took back the house but will the lines change ahead of 2024? that's another major, major question, boris, all of which will have a huge impact on whether it's joe biden in the second term or a new republican president, boris. >> yeah, again, underscores the precarious position that house speaker mccarthy is in. manu raju from capitol hill, thank you very much. brianna. moments ago, vladimir putin will make important statements they called them this after a serious threat to his power in more than 20 years. we'll have more of that ahead on "cnn news central.""
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