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♪ for the first time since he disappeared from the public eye, we're hearing from the leader of the russian insurrection, yevgeny prigozhin in his own words on why he suddenly stopped his advance on moscow. we're set to hear from russian president vladimir putin addressing his country any minute now. here in the u.s., the state department says perhaps in diplomatic understatement it remains a, quote, dynamic situation in russia. the state department also makes it clear the west, the u.s., have no role in the rebellion, what this could mean for the war in ukraine. plus, investigators recovering debris from the "titan" submersible disaster. and analyzing voice recordings
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from the sub's mother ship as the coast guard tries to determine if any laws may have been broken. we're following these developing stories and many more all coming in right here to "cnn news central." we don't know how this is going to end. that is the message from the white house after vladimir putin faced the most serious threat to his rule in 23 years this weekend. any minute now, we'll be hearing from putin, after a weekend that saw thousands of armed fighters advancing within 120 miles of the kremlin. now, the leader of those mercenaries, wagner group chief yevgeny prigozhin has gone underground and released a statement saying he never intended to topple the putin regime. >> translator: two factors played into my decision to turn around. first factor, we wanted to avoid a russian bloodshed. second is we marched in
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demonstration of a protest not to overturn the power in this country. at this time, alexander lukashenko extended his hand in offer to find solutions for the further work of wagner pnc in jurisdiction. >> cnn's nick paton walsh is in kyiv tracking this for us. nick, tell us what else prigozhin is saying and whether this meshes with what we saw over the weekend. >> reporter: i mean, it does tally, it seems, with the explanation offered by the kremlin. and it's not too distant from the circumstances we saw on the ground, although prigozhin does appear to gloss over the fact that for a while he was involved in pretty serious violent clashes with the russian military. he said it only occurred when he was in fact attacked and doesn't seem to regret the loss of life, about 12 russian airmen. to some degree, yes. to other degrees, we're seeing a bit by prigozhin to water down the severity of what kurd. most notably in his desire to
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make it sound like it was a protest movement against the russian top brass in the months' held complaints against the war and most importantly to unseat vladimir putin. this may be yevgeny prigozhin realizing how he overstepped and trying to set the record straight. or maybe the result of some other dynamics that we're not aware of at this time. but it gives explanation as to how wagner got to this point. remember, in the past weeks, the russian ministry defense have tried to get the mercenaries of that group to join the ministry of defense, essentially a bid to dismantle that particular mercenary organization. he says 1%, or 2% of wagner defense thought joining was a good idea. the defense was a good idea because they knew they would lose their combat ability. and by the end of the month, the idea was to hand over much of the military to the defense. there's a possibility now that wagner will relocate to belarus. it seems with the belarusian
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president alexander lukashenko who emerged as a very unlike lid me intermediary inside of belarus. it's a message that's rambling at times, self-justifying, talks certainly about the popular support that wagner got from its route from rostov-on-don up towards the capital and reminds russians again and again that wagner's main point was to criticize the russia top brass of the war. while we're certainly seeing yevgeny prigozhin on the back foot, desperate that vladimir putin thinks he never wanted to be a threat. that be it as it was, did he lose the nerve along the way or something we don't know yet. we're also still hearing this echoing criticism from prigozhin how badly the war is being prosecuted by russia.
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many russians appearing that, but they're hearing it so publicly. that's so rare in putin's russia and it comes after unprecedented disobedience, armed rebellion, regardless of how russia spells this, saying it was nothing to see there there would be armored convoys driving towards the capital. the optics were appalling and the challenge to putin's rule is unprecedented, brianna. >> thank you, the pictures are extraordinary. nick paton walsh, thank you for that. jim. we're also trying to learn more about this supposed truce brokered by belarus, at least according to the kremlin here. cnn's alex marquardt is here to discuss. they say he's going to be allowed exile to some degree, prigozhin in belarus. there's also concern that some of his foreigns will follow him. i just spoke to the belarusian opposition leader who told us we don't have confirmation that
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prigozhin arrived in belarus. the information about the camps are not confirmed either. she said the goal is to mislead. does western intelligence have any word whereof he's going? has he arrived there? >> no, there's certainly no sense that he's arrived just yet. everybody is watching the same indications that we are, whether it's open source or social media. obviously, the intelligence community has much better resources than we do. so, we're still operating under the assumption that this deal will be something that will be carried out. i think, jim, the most stunning thing that happened on saturday, obviously, prigozhin ended the march towards moscow. the second most stunning thing is news of the deal that was apparently brokered by alexander lukashenko. he's a two-bit dictator in western europe. he's accused of being putin's lap dog. why he would need him to broker this kind of deal. but this is what all three of the men say happened, putin and prigozhin and lukashenko saying
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it was luck shenco who extended his hand. prigozhin for reasons he did not want to spill any more blood. the protests he was not looking to overturn the russian regime. he wanted to to make his case against the russian military leadership. what nick was talking about was very important, there was a deadline according to prigozhin of july 1. at which point, prigozhin says there would be the destruction of the wagner group. and essentially that the forces would be absorbed into the russian military. and what lukashenko has apparently done according to prigozhin is given him a legal way out, a way that wagner can continue to exist, operate in a capacity inside of belarus. we had prigozhin saying that his forces didn't want to sign up and join this, hwhich of course he's been railing against for
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months. and to what extent, forgive, wagner can live to fight another day. so many questions about wagner. >> listen, if he has the forces and he's able to march the forces two thirds to moscow, he's clearly still around for now. >> right. >> and we'll see whether he can manage a safe haven, alex, thank you so much. boris. >> let's discuss this with ian bremmer of the founder of g zero media. ian, thank you for being with us, as you know, we're anticipating we're going to hear from vladimir putin in just a few minutes. what can we expect to hear from him? >> i think we expect to hear very much -- it's going to be difficult speech for him to give, of course. but it should be very much in line with what the kremlin spokesman, mr. peskov had to say yesterday evening. in other words, outlining the deal that has been offered. you can't say much else, because
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prigozhin is still there, and alive. so, i mean, specifically, the notion that these troops are going to be signing contracts with the ministry of defense, they will now be incorporated and putin's order -- remember, the order that prigozhin was saying was going to disband the wagner group by july 1, that order was given by the ministry of defense shoigu, who prigozhin has been attacking for months now but then was reiterated directly by president putin. that's the insubordination here that precipitated the wagner group decision to start their run on moscow. so, the one thing that will be very interesting to see, the russian state media agency earlier today actually said as opposed to what the kremlin had announced of this deal, actually
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the criminal case against mr. prigozhin had not been closed. it was open. still open. that's a very interesting question. also, let's keep in mind, if prigozhin is in belarus, he doesn't have thousands of his troops now with him in belarus. he's in a much more vulnerable position today than he was yesterday, not the least of which is the fact that belarus is not sovereign territory of another country. >> ian, we're going to have to cut you off because russian president vladimir putin is speaking. let's listen in. >> translator: -- and attempts to start mutiny are going to have no results. there have been continuation of the society, a strong position and support was taken by religious confessions, political parties. in fact, the whole russian society everyone, was united,
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but the main thing, responsibility for the fate of our mother land, from the very beginning, all of the necessary actions and utilization of the threat. has been taken. mutiny would have been destroyed in any case. the organizers despite the loss of mind should have realized this. despite their unprecedented pressure from our side, when our comrades are dying in the front. the organizers of the mutiny, by betraying their country.
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were pushing. the enemies of russia and neo-nazis and different types, these soldiers of russia, with the military service personnel, so in the final analysis, russia would lose. and our society has broken up because of this. they've lost their arms for their failures on the front of their countercrimes. but we have to count on the fact that all our military service personnel, workers, service personnel, all of those security forces have shown their loyalty, their faith, their courage, for
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the heroes, for the pilots of this tragedy. in addition, we know the overwhelming majority of the fighters are patriots of russia. with that, people are people for the state. they've proven their courage, freeing donbas and tries to use against their brothers who fought together for the country. therefore, from the very beginning. we've undertaken steps to avoid a big bloodshed. including giving up the prospect to think for those to understand their actions have decidedly
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been rejected by society. the extracted consequences for russia for the state of such adventurism which tragedy can lead to. i thank you, my thanks to those soldiers who have taken the only right decision to stop the flowing of blood, the bloodshed. today, you have the possibility to have a contract with the ministry of defense and all others to come back to those who are their nearest and dearest. in this address will be used. i repeat, the choice for each of you, i'm convinced, will be a choice of the military in russia, who have recognized their mistakes. and grateful to the president of belarus alexander lukashenko for
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his efforts and his contribution for this peaceful resolution. but i repeat that these -- this patriotism of the russian society made a decisive step. and made it possible for us together to overcome the most difficult situation. thank you. i thank you. >> we've been listening to russian president vladimir putin talk about what we saw unfold this weekend. and yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner mercenary group apparently attempting a coup, headed toward moscow, now denying it, saying this was not a coup, but rather a protest. vladimir putin saying this was a mutiny. saying that these soldiers betrayed russia, describing them as neo-nazis, traitors of the homeland who tried to break up our society. he said the kremlin is taking
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steps to avoid bloodshed. yet, he offered the wagner groups to come back and sign contracts with the ministry of defense. >> in effect absorb them. >> right. >> that's how prigozhin perceived the offers to sign the regular contracts with the regular russian army is that 93 would be taken away as a power center for him. listen, having reported the last several days on the rebellion and this peace deal, as it were, this is a russian president not making nice with prigozhin. he's accusing him of betraying his country. >> he's also trying to make him out as this leader who had no followers which is is interesting because we've seen the pictures. there were people supporting prigozhin, ultimately did he have enough support? maybe not. that may be why he blinked. that's why you see vladimir putin blinking too. that is clear. i want to get to cnn's matthew chance who is in moscow. matthew, what is your takeaway
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from this? >> reporter: well, actually, we're nonplussed by it here because we thought the statements were going to be a lot more dramatic. there was sort of -- the kremlin was sort of speaking up beforehand saying that this statement would determine the fate of the russian state of russia. and it doesn't seem to have done that. it just seems to, you know, reiterated a lot of the stuff i think we've already been talking about quite a lot since this armed rebellion was put down. i think what's most interesting for me, sitting here in moscow, watching this, is that it's -- you know, it's been so long since we've seen vladimir putin in public. he hasn't come out and actually said anything citizen this rebellion was -- well, was put down, you know, when it was negotiated away, whatever happened. and so, finally, we've seen the russian president sort of stand up in front of the nation, condemn this armed uprising.
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and reiterate the deal that had been offered to the wagner fighters who didn't take part which is they'll be offered contracts, they're all being offered contracts with the russian military. and it also condemned the loss of life that did occur. and of course, we've not spoken enough about the fact that several russian aircraft were shot out of the sky by wagner forces. with a number of pilots being killed. and vladimir putin referred to that loss of life and, of course, condemned it. >> matthew, what does this mean for prigozhin? as you know, yevgeny prigozhin, in his statement earlier today even granted that his forces had shot down russian aircraft. and now you have the russian president following this agreement, accusing him of mutiny and betraying his country. does this call into question prigozhin's safety going forward? putin is not someone who has shown any evidence of being willing to tolerate even mild dissent, let alone an armed insurrection?
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>> i mean, he's never faced this sort of armed insurrection before. certainly not in the last 23 years, since he's been in power. but, look, you know, it doesn't bode well for yevgeny prigozhin. i think all of those sort of jokes about avoiding cups of tea and open windows apply here. but, you know, as far as we're aware, prigozhin, that rebellious mercenary leader has taken the deal which is to relocate to belarus, a country which is controlled by a very close putin ally, alexander lukashenko, where the expectation, or understanding is that he will continue wagner. although the officials from belarus who i've spoken to in the last few days have refused to comment to me whether prigozhin has arrived. but i've also spoken to the belarusian opposition and they
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said it would be suicide for prigozhin to relocate to belarus because he would not have any safety, any guarantees from the revenge of vladimir putin. that was said to me earlier by the belarusian opposition in exile. >> we also have with us cnn's nick paton walsh who is reporting live in kyiv. clearly a discrepancy, what we heard from prigozhin talking earlier about this not being a coup attempt, this being an opportunity to speak of corruption among the russian ministry of defense. vladimir putin is not buying that. >> no and he doesn't even mention yevgeny prigozhin, a man whose allegiance, confidence, he's been relying on for years. didn't mention him by name. it is clear, the traitors he's referring to, the people behind the events that required this solidarity, this unified position by the russian people that he praises so openly is prigozhin. and if i heard that and i was
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where yevgeny prigozhin is, you would have definite cause for concern. it does not sound like the charges against him necessarily have been dropped although quite clearly within that speech, there is a lengthy attempt to be sure that the wagner fighters out there consider themselves free to go to belarus. free to join the russian ministry of defense. and he's quite clear he considers them to be patriots who fought for russia. so a short speech, certainly. one also, too, in which we don't get any suggestion of concessions from putin. he's not standing there saying there will be changes in russia's top brass. he franked alexander lukashenko, a man highly unlikely to save him. a man who putin treated with a degree of contempt, a subordinate. but he seemed to have stepped in and engineered this deal. we really don't know from where
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prigozhin is in all of this, it does seem that putin like to dismantle, read between the lines of that speech, and that it's a force he wants to see maintained but a strident bit, i think we have to say, this episode is finished. you do have to wonder why it's taken him the best part of well over 2 1/2 days to come in front of the russian people and speak like this. >> nick, what do you make of it not being more dramatic as the kremlin had sort of prepared people and reporters in moscow for? >> i think it's odd, because you don't often hear vladimir putin talk not at length. i remember the 57-minute speech with the invasion of yuge in feb uche in february which showed a man with a thesis he wanted to present to the world. this is short, thanks people for solidarity which a unified response over the weekend. there were people in moscow
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quite frankly seemed to be cheering the wagner mercenaries and what they did. we don't know how they were met up the road towards moscow. but this is certainly not necessarily events over the weekend that found people coming out on the streets to purposely oppose them. quite the opposite in some of the scenes we saw in rostov. it's short, it shows he's backing control again, certainly. it does not mention yevgeny prigozhin by name again. almost like he's a nonperson now in putin's russia and that may exactly be what occurs. apart from his channel on telegram that he ceases to have a role in the russian relief but the impacts what he did over the weekend and how weak it made vladimir putin. you can almost see in his face, he looks gaunt, vladimir putin. he looks angry. and it's been a long time, quite frankly, for him to come forward and make a speech. and yes it was not a series of statements that it had been
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trailed to be. it was opposition of amnesty to wagner soldiers. say reminder they were patriots who fought hard in the war. and brutal fighters among the most savage we've seen on the ukrainian front lines. yeah, a bid to show he's backing control again, a short one, and one that really didn't give us anything new. >> he did, though, say, that these fighters betrayed their country and attempted a mutiny, and that's no small thing given where we were 72 hours ago without expectation of seeing an open armed rebellion inside territories. senior diplomatic editor nic robertson also with us, nic, given those words, given that prigozhin's location still not certainer the opposition leader told us on this broadcast about an hour agatha there is no information she has seen that he's in belarus. one thing is clear, this is not over at least, wagner still exists, its fighters still
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exist, and prigozhin seems to be, at least alive, we don't know where he is. where does this go from here, now, in terms of this dispute? has putin effectively shown he's in control? >> there's a way in which putin hasn't shown he is in control which i find absolutely bizarre here where he essence had prigozhin cornered in rostov-on-don, albeit, cornered with a lot of civilians seem to support him and a very important military base vital to fighting the war in ukraine. however, cornered in a known location. putin's narrative has not changed at all. the russian government position has not changed at all. okay. there was nothing explosive in what putin said. so in that case, and given that prigozhin has been able to speak out again today, publicly again, criticizing putin's defense minister. why did putin not round him up on saturday evening?
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he had the opportunity. he let him fly into the wind. we all assessedful he goes to belarus, he won't be safe there because putin can easily reach into that country. but why let this carry on? he calls him a traitor, again is doubling down on the use of the word "traitor." he used it saturday and used it again today. but if the guy is really a traitor and you have a superperson who doesn't tolerate disloyalty, why did you let him get away. this does take that putin will reshape the narrative for the russian people but at the same time is exposing a grand inability to actually take prigozhin out of the equation and stop him from being a valuable critic. >> it's a great point, because prigozhin still -- he still has the bull horn here. he was able to make his statement, give his view of the world, just hours before putin's speech. >> it was notable during the
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speech putin thanks russian society for quashing what was an open rebellion. but if you watched the videos of yevgeny prigozhin in the street, it seems like a lot of people at least where he was in russia were taking selfies with him. shaking his hand. >> many people supporting him, but you heard putin leaning in there, talking about the patriots, right? >> right. >> who stopped this from happening trying to put a shine on a situation that is tricky for him. in a way he had no choice he had to come out and punctuate this moment. and we gjust heard what a short statement that was, obviously a moment that he was relishing and prolonging, ian bremmer president of eurasia group back with us. what do you think of what you heard from vladimir putin? >> yes. a short statement, he had to give one, almost nothing new. but that in itself is noteworthy. the fact that putin said that
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the wagner are patriots, thrown at their brothers. first is the fact that he clearly wants to resintegrate wagner. he wants them part of the russian forces. he opened the speech talking about the fight against ukraine. and how critical it was to be able to continue that. so, that may be part of the reason why he's continuing to allow prigozhin to be there is because he wants some time to ensure that wagner is stripped away, is effectively liquidated. but there's no question, he still considers prigozhin to be a traitor. prigozhin is the one that's throwing he's patriots against their brothers. and as of right now, he didn't mention his name. he's taken no steps against him. and that is -- the longer that goes on, the more challenged existentially that putin actually looks, as an
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uncontested dictator in his country. >> i want to go back to cnn's senior international correspondent matthew chance in moscow. because, matthew, it stood out to me that vladimir putin was trying to take credit, as the person who avoided blood being shed on the streets of russia. >> yeah. i mean, look, his authority has been has been hugely undermined by his whole episode. and of course, the kremlin are painfully aware of that, they would have watched the scenes in rostov-on-don in the south of russia with crowds cheering yevgeny prigozhin. that would have sent chills through the kremlin. that's not what they want to see on the streets of their own city. so in an attempt to sort of regain credibility putin in this very short speech gave some time to making it clear that it was him that gave the order to make sure there was no further bloodshed. and so, you know, he knows that
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russian people, while they may have supported the critique of yevgeny prigozhin. supported his condemnation of how the war was conducted by the top brass. he also clearly understood that russians are not supportive of more russians being killed. i think that was probably an attempt by vladimir putin to, you know, show himself to have been the hero of the moment, rather than the president who looks incredibly weak as a result of this. >> yeah, hero of the moment. and yet, the president who oversaw a country in which a private army was able to take a city in the southern part of the country that controls operations inside ukraine and march a good two-thirds of the way up the highway towards the russian capital. remarkable events there. we've just heard from the russian president. we're going to have much more on those comments, breaking stories, right after a short break. please do stay with "cnn newews central." tal cell turnover, evens skin tone,
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♪ a very big moment that we sue happening here, moments ago, russian president vladimir putin addressing his country. he really needed to after the brief, but brazen armed rebellion that we saw over the weekend. putin saying, quote, all the necessary actions to neutralize the threat were taken to stop the wagner mutiny. he called a mutiny. he also said that wagner troops may choose to sign contracts with the russian military or go to belarus. back with us, cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson. interesting, he did not say prigozhin's name which is something that is a pattern for him when he is not really wanting to elevate an enemy of his. >> and he elevates that enemy, the enemy that's right under his skin and has been for some time, alexei navalny. an enemy that has tried to neutralize, tried to poison,
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tried to have killed. who is in jail, who is going through a horrendous series of trials in russian courts at the moment. alexei navalny a very different figure to yevgeny prigozhin. yevgeny prigozhin is a brutal thug and killer. alexei navalny is a champion leader of russia's putative opposition that putin had lock ed up. so when putin doesn't mention yevgeny prigozhin's name, you know that guy has gotten to him, that he is a problem. and that this is something that putin is clearly struggling to deal with. he likes to set the agenda. he likes to set the tone. he's trying to cast himself agency a savior of the country right now, but he's got a big problem. we spoke about it before. he did not have yevgeny prigozhin rounded up, taken off the streets, when he could have done it, when he was in russia, in a known location on saturday. now, it's so clear that this has
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now blown up to become a huge, huge issue for him. >> no question. does not appear to be over. also joining us retired army major john spencer. he's the chair of urban warfare studies at the madison policy forum. major spencer, good to have you on. i wonder, imagine yourself serving in the u.s. military. and a private army crosses the border, takes over a city with essential functions of running a war in ukraine, and then drives two-thirds of the way to the capital. there's a deal that supposedly defuses the situation. but then you have the president go on international division saying accused that group of mutiny and betraying the country. looking at that, is there any sign that the dispute is over for russia? >> no, absolutely not. and if i was a soldier, especially a russian soldier in ukraine, i'd be very concerned, very worried, morale is already low and now they're getting
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messages about what's happening to this force that's been in ukraine gathering power, because that's really what this is about for both putin and prigozhin is power and money. prigozhin has been the lap dog and done a lot for putin. but, specifically in ukraine, you know, almost a year russian forces didn't take a single piece of ground outside of bakhmut which prigozhin built himself up to be able to take that rubblized town that he took. >> major, i'm curious to get your perspective on the capacity of russian intelligence. because it seems like nobody at the kremlin saw this coming. >> right. and i think this is what -- personally, i think prigozhin was testing the system. there was one that showed putin has weaknesses but also shows that his 20-plus years of making himself coup proof pretty much
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stood even doesn't stand with prigozhin. but i'm sure they'll have to answer some questions, it is amazing that prigozhin is going to be allowed to live today. i think putin's waiting for the smoke to clear and see what happened. maybe he's blind inside of ukraine, because prigozhin was gathering power. >> it's really -- we were just talking about this today, he appears to be scot-free, but that does not potentially -- that's not the end of the story, perhaps, for yevgeny prigozhin. very possibly here. where does putin go from here, major? i mean, he's had to give this brief speech to punctuate this moment. he had no choice, he had to get out there and have this moment where he was narrating this moment. where does he go from here? what do you expect to see from him?
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>> i think -- this is consequence management. and it is interesting that he spoke after prigozhin. and prigozhin still was able to get his message out there. i saw a little bit of tweets and all of the social media about prigozhin's message before putin's. that's significant, when you're playing for power. putin is going to -- i don't know what kind of crackdowns he will do, but clearly, he's got to investigate where were the weaknesses that allowed this to happen, both domestically and in ukraine. >> one more question, if we can, i ask you to put your uniform back on for a moment and imagine now you're commanding ukrainian forces on the eastern front in ukraine. do you attempt to take advantage of turmoil inside of russia? particularly given that wagner forces have played such an essential role in russia's invasion in ukraine. and reintegration with regular
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army forces? what would you do? >> yeah, absolutely, ukraine should be taking advantage of all of this turmoil that's happening. although the wagner forces weren't on the front line, it definitely creates openings in the psychology of the russian forces of the command and control. i mean, prigozhin went to the headquarters of the ukrainian war for this. ukraine, i'm sure there will be both militarily, politically cognizant trying to take advantage of what prigozhin has really mixed up and done here. >> major john spencer, thank you so much for the time. let's discuss now with cnn's brianna keilar, because, brianna, you have to wonder how the russian people have absorbed the last few days, even as vladimir putin is saying that it's thanks to russian society that this uprising was quelled. we saw the reaction that prigozhin got on the streets. >> yeah, that was in the city of rostov, and that's obviously the
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city from where the war is being commanded. i believe this is a bit of whiplash for russians washing with leadership vacuums in terms of hearing from vladimir putin and the generals leading this war over the past 24 to 48 hours. and this speech i have to say was a bit oversold, given that it was pegged as something that would define the future of russia. what in fact it was, is a speech that most of us would have anticipated in the early hours of this mutiny, friday, saturday. where was this vladimir putin that we just saw right now? i mean that would have made more sense, now what's interesting is, a., what happens with yevgeny prigozhin whose name he did not mention. sort of the way he does not mention other detractors and opponents' names. also, what is the future for wagner? i mean, on the one hand, you could view this as an olive branch that he offered some of the soldiers who, a., he accused of treason, but at the same time
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offered them an opportunity to sign with the ministry of defense, go home to their families, or to belarus, that is in contrast to what yevgeny prigozhin has been saying that wagner is alive and well, that it's just relocated to belarus. i think the next few days should be interesting. i do question why vladimir putin waited so long and would impact at all this could have on his hold. >> yeah. speaking in the 10:00 p.m. however local time, right, in moscow, as he addressed his country and the world watching, certainly, he knew that, we're learning, bianna, from state media that president lukashenko is going to be answering questions from journalists on tuesday. i wonder what you think that may look like. >> well, i don't expect lukashenko to go rogue. i would be very worried, as i said earlier, i wouldn't take a life insurance policy on yevgeny prigozhin anytime soon.
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he's a supplicant of vladimir putin. and this is something as we noted and heard from vladimir putin specifically thanking lukashenko for stepping in and acting as an intermediary here. he's doing to be making no doubts about the fact that he's going to be doing whatever vladimir putin wants him to do. so, i would expect to hear similar lines from lukashenko that we heard from vladimir putin today. >> what credibility should we give the story of this deal? we the belarusian opposition leader on this broadcast about an hour ago, saying she's seen no evidence that prigozhin's forces are actually in belarus, and has some doubt they will end up there. then you have putin's characterization, he's not afraid of the truth. lukashenko is putin's puppet here. should we acknowledge that perhaps we don't know what the next step is for prigozhin and his forces. what is the most unlikely outcome for that. >> yeah, sort of pick your
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propaganda, pick your lie. this is a frankenstein-type of scenario that vladimir putin himself has orchestrated and developed in his 23 years in office. so, whether you think you can believe dmitri plikov, or vladimir putin, it's a heavy dose of skepticism that we interpret anything we hear from them. this, it does appear, took the kremlin and caught them off guard. and now there's a game of catch-up. and the big question is was russian intelligence aware of what yevgeny prigozhin was planning to do? this was sort of in the open. he was very adamant about his vitt tree yos of the war. and that having been said, there
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are thousands of wagner mercenaries sort of hanging in the balance now, vladimir putin suggesting that he has quelled this revolt. and has stepped in to avoid further bloodshed. that was similar to what we heard from yevgeny prigozhin. remember, he said it was his decision as to why they turned around from moscow. so, now, it's just a matter of who blinks first. i want to see what happens in the next 24 hours, as we continue to hear from vladimir putin. i think it was interesting because some had expected that perhaps we would hear from him some change in military leadership. whether it was shoigu who he was reblasing, that didn't happen. at least yet. and i think that is notable. >> yeah. this was billed as a speech more about the future, expecting some major announcements. and we really didn't see that, are we going to as you're booking for, bianna, going to be seeing that in the coming day.
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thank you -- >> one other -- >> yes, go on. >> one other thing, it was just interesting to hear vladimir putin finally express outrage that 12 of his airmen and pilots had been killed by wagner forces. this was arguably the biggest hit that the russian air force has taken in recent history so it was a bit puzzling as to why they were given amnesty just a few days ago. well, now, you saw the reaction that most have expected right then and there. >> yeah. you had in effect blue on blue. russians killing russians here. >> in what we saw with putin said it's largely glossed over. we'll be watching you on "the lead" at the top of the hour. you can stay with cnn on the latest developments on what we're covering this afternoon. the revolt in russia and these comments from vladimir putin. ♪
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combing the deep seafloor, looking for debris, that's what the coast guard is doing as it investigators what went so terribly wrong. the coast guard's marine board
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will review the audibles. miguel, can you tell us the latest on the investigations? and there are many. right now they're in the evidence gathering phase, hoping to prevent again -- the that took it out to the wreckage on its doom voyage. for much of the weekend, the canadian coast guard went on the ship, did interviews with oceangate employees, and family members on the ship, and collected all the data they could there is also a physical
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search still going on on the ocean floor, the u.s. coast guard saying they have recovered some pieces of the sub, the "titan" and they may try for larger pieces. that is the question, if they cannot figure out with the pieces they can get down there, they will have to send bigger gear down to pull up large pieces of it, which is just too helpy for the subs they have right now. right now the royal canadian mounted police or the police force here say if they see evidence of criminal wrongdoing, it will start its own investigation and possibly bring charges. brianna? >> miguel marquez, thank you for the update. and this just into catherine a kremlin spokesperson says vladimir putin is holding a meeting with heads of law
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enforcement agencies. still clearly a lot to get to. stay with cnn for the latest. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon on "cnn news central. "
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