isn't that amazing? just totally wins my case, you know? except it is highly controversial, secret. >> good morning, everyone. it is the top of the hour. phil mattingly but my side. it's striking to hear. it's one thing to read the words of a former president. it's another thing to hear it. >> right. and understand why our great reporting team that broke the original transcript then broke this. we are hearing from their sources how critical this was to the case brought against the president and former president and we will have to see how it plays out going forward. now you can hear exactly what he said -- >> into his own word. >> viewed by prosecutors so damn. >> a cnn exclusive. the audio recording of donald trump showing off a secret

pentagon document with plans to attack iran and admitting he didn't declassify it. >> plus, we heard from vp in a life speech after russia dropped charges against the wagner mercenary group for the weekend rebellion. we will hear from ukraine ace foreign minister. bank of america's ceo will join us to weigh in on the economy of the chances of a recession. "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ this is where we begin. major developments in moscow. vladimir putin making a live appearance after russia asnounsed it was dropping charges against the wagner group. vladimir putin personally thanking russian security forces for defending the country against the revolt. >> translator: you defended the constitution, the lives, the

security and the freedom of our citizens. you saved our homeland from being shaken up in actual fact. you stopped a civil war. >> that's worth noting we don't know where the wagner group's leader is. yevgeny prigozhin supposedly struck a deal to go in exile in belarus. this morning the kremlin is refusing to share deals about that agreement and putin's spokesman is unaware of prigozhin's whereabouts as well. he is giving the military a choice, join the military, go home or abgo to belarus. the fighters are preparing to turn over heavy equipment to russian troops. the ukrainian military trying to take advantage that have chaos in russia. volodymr zelenskyy says the counteroffensive is making advances in all directions on the front lines. erin burnett is in kyiv right

now. you just spoke to ukraine's foreign minister. what was the reaction to what unfolded this weekend and what happens next? >> reporter: what's interesting, phil, he basically admitted, the foreign minister, that they were not aware of what was going to happy. u.s. intelligence was. they were not aware. they were taken by surprise. he said had there been 48 more hours in the rebellion things would have dramatically changed, panic on the front lines, it would have escalated and spill over. there is a huge question as to what wall the wagner troops are going to play. so i asked him specifically about what this means for putin. has putin's grip on power change? what is the ukrainian intelligence assessment now? here is what the foreign minister just said. i want to start by -- with

rebellion in russia. did you have any intelligence pointing to this insurrection like we saw? >> no, we did not have any specific information with kind of the timeline of possible implementation of prigozhin's plans. but for us has always been pretty obvious that it's just a matter of time when someone in russia will dare to challenge putin because we saw how his power and authority is shrinking and how russia is entering very difficult turbulence. so prigozhin is just the first one who dared, but i have no doubt that others will follow one way or another. >> reporter: and what's interesting, poppy and phil, he emphasized the significance of the fact that putin backed down.

prigozhin is not dead, prigozhin is out there, and that putin backed down. they think he is just going to be the first. they believe there has been a shift in power, putin is the main center of power, he was clear about that, but they think there has been a change. in terms of what he is saying, they say that they have no idea where prigozhin is. so they don't know what's going to happen to the wagner forces on the front lines here that have been crucial in fighting the war. >> a key question this morning. where is yevgeny prigozhin? erin, fascinating interview. we will see all of it tonight on your show. i think you also talked to him about concerns about the nuclear plant in zblachlt what did he tell su? >> reporter: you know, it's interesting because here the mayor of kyiv said to me last night that they are not prepared for what would catastrophic radiation and a fallout if the power plant were attacked. head of the intelligence agency said putin approved a plan to actually bomb, to attack the

zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant which is the largest in europe and would affect not just ukraine and russia but all of europe. so i asked the foreign minister how real this plan is, where they think it will actually happen. here is that part. one question remains the nuclear question and, obviously, the ukrainian intelligence chief says putin has drafted and approved, those are his words, plans to attack the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant which is the largest in europe. president zelenskyy warned of a possible attack recently. how real is this risk do you think? >> as long as zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant remains in the hands of russia, the risk is real. the question i think russia is struggling with is the problem of retribution because, of course, they don't want to be blamed for causing another

nuclear disaster. so i think they are struggling to find a way to perform is as a false flag operation or as something else that would not be directly attributable to them. and this is why it gets so important and i want really to take the opportunity of this conversation to really call a spade a spade because what international media did with the explosion at the dam when they cast doubt about like who did it, that is exactly what russia is looking for, to cast doubt and throw shadow. we have to be very, very clear with that. >> reporter: and minister kuleba also said about putin using tactical nuclear weapons, which of course president zelenskyy recently, you know, there has been that concern as well, said

putin loves life but those around him love life even more, and that's where minister kuleba thinks in his mind it is those aren't putin who would refuse to make that move that is so significant. i should say before i go, he did talk about f-16s and right now you have ukrainian pie lepts being trained and he believes those deliveries come at the beginning of next year in terms of the f-16s, but there are active f-16s trainings going on for ukrainian pilots now. >> that's interesting because they have been asking the west for that for a long time. fascinating interview. can't wait to see the whole thing. thank you for joining us live from kyiv. right now you're looking at president vladimir putin speaking again. his second public appearance over the course of this day. we didn't see him much at all, most people didn't know where he was over the weekend when the biggest threat to his power and reign in 23 years was taking

place. now he seems to be everywhere to some degree which you they is a pr 101 type of deal, you don't have to see a dictator or authoritarian respond to, which is why i want to bring the panel in now. bianca gold regis, steve paul and john miller. bianna, throughout the course of it this weekend and my conversations with u.s. officials, our reporting over the course of the weekend, people trying to figure out where is vladimir putin, had he been to st. petersburg? now he is everywhere. he is thanking his forces for whatever it was they did this weekend, which didn't seem to be a lot. why? >> listen, i think whatever happened over the last 48 to 72 hours really shook him up. this was clearly something he didn't see come, though he should have. u.s. intelligence saw that. and let's be frank. you had yevgeny prigozhin really

being public on his social media platforms talking about the need to replace the defense minister? russia and the head of war in russia. not putin himself who to do day says was not his aim, a coup wasn't his aim. his aim was to go to moscow and have a vladimir putin to continue this war in the right direction. vladimir putin no one knows if he remained in hospitamoscow as took place. i believe prigozhin realized that he had one of two options. go to moscow and be killed or perhaps try to negotiate which is what appears to be what they did. vladimir putin remains in power, but i would argue he is weakened. if you want to compare past attempted coups or mutinies with authoritarian leaders look at turkey in 2016 and compare and contrast how erdogan responded. he was on the airwaves the entire time and immediately clamped counsel on any opposition, including

journalists covering the war. so this is strikingly different. we know vladimir putin is a procrastinator and waits to make the hard decision until the last minute. i don't know what he thinks he gained by waiting 48 hours to speak to the public. i don't think that prigozhin had an ultimate plan and that's why this seemed to fade a bit. but this conflict is not over. >> steve, given your experience running cia ops in russia i thought it was notable when what minister kuleba told erin that there has been in the ukrainian's view a shift in power of vladimir putin. two of the biggest newspapers, wash "washington post," a headline this morning, "new york times," an angry putin asserts russians are still united. someone fighting to hang on to that power? >> again, yeah, it looks like there is a lot of damage control going on here. but it's really interesting and i think bianna makes a good point. dictators usually don't have to

do this. we see this in western leaders, right? a big flap someplace and everybody gets in the newspapers to get the words out. putin controls the press which means that 9 #% of the russian population hears what he wants them to hear. to have him in a position to say what do i need to say too keep the people that i want in place? and there is the domestic folks, you know, normal russians, who, again, six months ago he didn't have to worry about. he could count on security services to repress them. that didn't work really well against the wagner guys. there is a question about that. then there is his inner circle. and if anybody's going to cause significant change quickly it's going to be them. but the mercuriness, the 48 hours not knowing where prigozhin is, yeah, he is convicted or going to be tried. no, he is not. that back and forth stuff i think shows ruseness in the regime, questions inside the

regime. there is a lot of sort of slack you didn't see before. >> you worked at odni in a past life. this has to be a complex situation for u.s. intelligence to divine what's actually happening. take us behind the scenes. what are they trying to do right now? >> when i worked in the kni, we worked in the analysis division in charge of preparing the presidents' daily briefing. imagine preparing that briefing today. first of all, you will be asked to deliver answers to questions that there are no answers are. how much damage has putin suffered from this? is there an all tear in fabric of the power of putin's regime? and then harder questions, which is what was prigozhin thinking as he was running a convoy towards moscow seemingly for a large stretch without intervention from the russian military with the police blocking streets so the

motorcade could get through with cheering crowds. did he think there was someone on the other end in moscow that was going to back that play? now, in putin's version of the president's daily briefing he is asking those same questions. does he have someone on the inside? was there going to be help? who can i trust? that means his circle is going to get smaller. taking beon's examples of the attempted coups in turkey, which there were two, 51 generals were sentenced it to life in prison, thousands of people were fired and pushed out of the army. putin either has to figure out who failed on the military side. who failed on the intelligence side in terms it of indicators and warning, and even if he can't figure it out, he still has to figure out who is going to pay for this. if i don't take action, rotate the generals, don't fire people, i am going to continue to look weaker and weaker.

so there is a real scramble going on in the white house to understand this and then the kremlin to figure out what to do about it. >> yeah, under scores this is dynamic and has a lot more chapters to play out. thank you very much. john miller, you are sticking around. >> we have a lot more to talk about. former president donald trump on audiotape discussing those secrets documents that he admits he didn't declassify. we will play that for you. we just got this last night. break down what prosecutors may be zeroing in on.

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president donald trump discussing classified documents at his bedminster, new jersey, golf course in 2021. it happened in an interview with people working on the memoir of mark meadows. the special counsel's indictment alleges that trump claire davis classified information about those to attack iran. elie hoenig is with us right now. we start by playing the tape in its entirety. we will pause at key moments and have you kind of break bowne w down /* down what means for the prosecution's case. let's start it with this. >> these are bad, sick people. >> that was your coup, you know? against you. >> started right at the -- >> when milley is talking about, oh, they were -- no, they were trying to do that before he was sworn in. >> that's right. >> trying to overthrow -- >> well, with milley, let me see that. i got to show you an example. he said that i wanted to attack

iran. isn't it amazing how a big pile of papers, this thing just came out. look. this was him. they presented me this. this off the record. but they presented me this. this was him. this was the defense department and him. >> wow. >> we looked this up. this was him. this wasn't done by me. this was him. all sorts of stuff. pages. let's see here. >> yeah. >> i just -- isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know? except it is highly confidential, secret, there is secret information. but look at this. >> if you had to boil this entire case down to two sentences this would be it. this is secret information. look at this. and if we break it down, look at this. this tells me as a prosecutor he is showing them something. you can hear them reacting. you can hear papers rustling.

he is sharing this information with them. we don't know exactly whether there is an actual classified document. we don't know if doj has this. either way, the key point is this is secret information. this shows donald trump knows they have this information, has seen it, knows it's sensitive and is sharing it with other people. those are crucial points for the prosecution. >> crucial points there. now let's listen to this. >> hilary would print that out all the time, you know? >> yeah, she would send it to anthony weiner. the pervert. by the way, isn't that incredible? >> yeah. >> i was thinking, because we were talking about it, and he said, he wanted to tattack iran >> you did. >> this was done by the military. given to me. >> so much for the claim this was just golf shirts and love letters. this shows donald trump knew

this was done by the military and given to him. one thing to keep in mind. it doesn't matter for the charges made this in case whether it was classified or declassified. the law relates to sensitive defense information. here he is saying this is a document created by the military earlier he said it relates to attack plans for iran. and so that gives you that element this is almost the definition of sensitive defense information. >> classification is a necessity, but listen to this. >> um, i think we can probably -- right? >> i don't know. we will have to see. yeah, we will have to -- >> declassify -- >> i am a president, i can declassify it. now i can't. >> this puts the lie to donald trump's campaign of public defenses. how many times has he said i automatically declassified, i declassified through mental thought, nothing was sensitive. here is acknowledging correctly as president i could have declassified it. now i can't.

that's an admission that he did not declassify it then. that it remained classified as of the moment of this recording in july of 2021. more to the point, he is sharing it. he is dissem mating this yfrgs w the prosecutor will argue this is what he is to go with this, showing and sharing this information to people with no security clearance. he wasn't keeping it in boxes. potentially illegal to do that. distributing it out in the world carelessly, recklessly and dangerously. >> and a final piece to listen to. >> is that interesting? >> yeah. >> it's so cool. it's so -- look, we -- and you probably almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me? >> i believe urnlts incredible, right? it bri-- bring some coax in ple. >> i don't know if you know what's the relevance. there is a tone of casualness

about this. they are throwing around state secrets and donald trump is taking it sort of very lightly. the other thing to keep in mind, th there are witnesses. everyone is a potential witness for the prosecution, people who will be called at trial. tell us what was happening in the room? what did he show you? what did you see? who is he talking to? we don't know. could be walt nauta who is appearing in court later today. if so, you know walt nauta was in that room and knew how sensitive the documents were. >> he welie took a legal elemen it. he is the lawyer. >> leave it to ely. thank you, come on. let's talk about this. our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. okay, john, that was helpful to dissect what's important about this. can you speak to why this particular document about a potential attack on iran is so crucial?

>> two reasons. he is not charged with disseminating classified information. he is charged with i will healy possessing information about the national defense. a lot of documents were found and they are about a lot of different things. if you have one recorded on tape where he is talking about possessing it and showing it to people without clearances a contingency plan developed by the joint chiefs of staff to attack iran if it came to that is about as purely national defense information as you can get. it's not an analysis of the political economic situation in maldova. it's a document about the u.s. defense and leaking that information, sharing that information -- >> joking about it. >> joking about it. giving it to someone who might put it in a book. discussing the idea can we hand this document over in the loose lips sink ships department, once

your attack plan it out, your attack plan is vulnerable. so i think that it is has outsized significance than it would if it was any other classified document. >> the whole defense that we have heard from trump over and over, this was golf clothes and letters from other world leaders, is such a nothing to me. it's such a meaningless defense because no one cares about that stuff. fine. that's not the problem. that's not what you are charged with. you are charged with this document which he was very aware of and willing to use. >> along those lines, that's the former president's defense on truth social or in interviews with fox. we haven't heard his lawyers yet. so many times over the course of the last six or seven years something happened, everybody goes, jail, indictment, whatever, the indictment has happened here. what's his legal team look at wr right now? >> i think there is an important point. donald trump does not have to state his legal defense to us. he doesn't have to state it

publicly. he has a right to make a defense. he has good, talented smart l lawyers. there will be a defense. we don't know what it is. they have the right to take time to go through the discovery, we they are just now getting and figure out what they want their defense to be. i reject the dismissive statement they are throwing stuff against the wall and see what sticks. that is the job of a defense lawyer. i want to say this. every public statement donald trump makes is usable against him in court before the indictment, after the indictment, and you box your legal team in when you say things that are inconsistent with the evidence and that are contradictory. that's really damaging. >> and every interview he does. elie, thank you very much. john miller, appreciate it. this ahead. the economy, right? still adding jobs. we are seeing inflation improve a bit. bank of america ceo brian moynihan joins us live ahead.

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for the wealthiest corporation, wealthiest people in the society and that at some point the remnants of those will trickle down to the middle class and working class, bidenomics is the exact opposite. it says that the way you grow the economy in this country is you grow the middle class. >> new messaging in its effort to tout the president's handling of the economy. bidenomics is what they call it. biden will be in chicago tomorrow, expected to speak on this. the president is facing serious headwinds. not only do polls suggest voters are skeptical of him on the economy but the nagging threat of a potential recession. let's talk about this the ceo of bank of america brian moynihan who joins us with news. good morning. >> great to be here. >> do you think bidenomics is working for most americans? >> if you look, the u.s. is fighting inflation.

after the pandemic, the amount of fiscal and monetary stimulus, the lower rates and the money the government pushed to out to offset the impact of the covid-19 pandemic, you now have a situation where inflation has to be fought. rates have gone up. so what we have predicted as a recession starting the first part of next year. we moved from the latter part -- to the first part of next year, a mild recession. that's strong jobs, strong employment levels, wage growth strong, inflation higher than he wants, than it should be so the fed has the rates to push that down and that's going to be a little bit of a collision course. you are seeing the aspect of a slowdown come through. consumer spending shows it. the behavior is slowing down, which is good and bad. good in that's what the fed needs to see inflation and control. it means we have a higher probability that a mild recession is coming true. >> what is this collision course? i am wondering could this recession be so mild, most americans don't notice it? >> our projection is for two

quarters of negative gdp growth minus 1%, minus a half a percent. that's not a huge downturn. you know, in the pandemic we dropped 30% annualized on the quarter or something like that. it will be mild. what that means is the unemployment levels will get -- we get as high as 5%, high 4s. but that's kind of interesting. we used to think 4.5% was full employment. >> are you saying most americans may not notice it? >> what they are noticing now is the cost of things went up. that's causing them to change their behavior. spe spending 2021 to 2022 was up 9%. yoo roer to date it's up 5%. that's more consistent low inflation. they are adjusting their behavior based on the cost side and will affected by rates trying to get a mortgage, buy a car. they feel the impacts of what's going on. if they keep their job they won't feel it. that's the great debate.

will unemployment get a lot worse or a little bit worse. that's the most important thing is to have people employed and earn money. >> you said that you are seeing patterns that people are spending in a way that's more consist went a 2% inflation economy, not a 4% inflation economy. economists agree that inflation jumps as consumers are spending more. if spending has moderated so much, why hasn't inflation gotten markedly better? >> there is a lag. i talk about data coming for the mont month of june. what you are reading is -- >> we will get there? >> we will get there. and i think they have tipped it down, flattened down, tipped down in areas. you know, but there are areas where it's not necessarily tipping down the level they want. that's why we think it will take all of this year and all of next year to actually -- >> all of next year? >> '25 before they get inflation in line with long-term targets. >> fed chair powell said it was

a good guess that the central bank would hike rates twice more this year. they pause for now. will twice be enough to get inflation where we -- to a 2% target? >> i think the first 5% was the big move. the next half a percent is not going to make as much difference. the question is howl long they hold it. we have to next may before they start cutting race. whether they raise rates a couple more times, you could have a debate, the market was no more increases, now it's two, but the reality is, is the duration of holding is what he says that people i think are paying more attention to it. it will take them longer -- >> how long. given the recent bank failures and silicon valley bank, signature bank, the take yore of first republic. is bank of america considering buying up any small regional pageants right now? >> we are prohibited by law for 30 plus year from buying a bank other than through an fdic liquidation. >> like with jpmorgan? >> would there be --

>> do you think -- >> i don't -- i don't want other banks to fail -- >> you hope -- >> i hope -- >> right, you hope there won't be. should we prepare for more situations like we saw? >> i think it depends. the industry has strong capital. the speshlgized businesses this a problem that went through the system. system recovered and you will see in the earnings reports this quarter some good earnings and you can see data comes out every week, the deposits are stabilizing in the industry. the deposits are coming down because of the fed acs and stuf. it's hard to get people to -- the fed's intention is to keep the deposits down. that's what's going on. i think the industry has strong capital, strong earnings and is in good shape with good reserve. the question is how deep the recession is. >> tied to that. let me ask you this. the senate banking committee -- on a bipartisan fashion -- to you have brown and tim scott on the same page.

they passed this clawback executive compensation legislation for ceos of failed banks like svb and signature. do you support that? >> we have had clawbacks now by -- what people don't understand is after the financial crisis, the supervisory architecture -- the clawbacks in, we have had them in place -- >> this is different. >> this saying the ceos should have their compensation taken away if you run a bank the way svb was run. this wouldn't be new to us. the regulation is -- the supervision led us there. we will deal with it. >> let's ask about what you are doing. you are headed to ohio after your stop in new york. you are announcing bank of america's expanding in different and interesting way. into different and new markets. why? why now? >> if you go back ten years ago, 2014 we started this program. and you looked at the top 30

markets we are the number one market share the most of any company. we had the aggregate largest retail banking but we weren't in seven of the top 30 markets and weren't in like the top 15. we are fleeting the franchise. we weren't in ohio, in indiana, in minneapolis. so we started with denver and minneapolis -- >> the best city you just named, minneapolis. >> and moved across. we are announcing the third wave of that. so omaha, boise, birmingham, huntsville, dayton, other cities that are continuously -- so you if you think of this, we will be the a 80% of the population and pushing that great business, great service, great products pushing deeper in and bringing our community bank we call it out to the lmi neighborhoods -- >> lower middle income? >> yeah, increasing the numbers of those from 600 to 700. it's not only a great digital capabilities, it's our branch

capabilities and advice and geared towards the neighborhoods -- >> more access to banking which i fount was interesting non-english-speaking customers. >> spanish-speaking, web presence for many years. it's a big part of what we do including our account opening has a high percentage of hispanic latino citizens. >> i have to ask you about a.i. are you using it like chatgpt at bank of america and are you preparing for a world where you believe a.i. will give people financial advice at bank of america? >> machine learning, yes. generative a.i., think for itself, that's sill not in use. so if erica, a product we have today, has 18, 20 million users, use 150 times a quarter, ask it a question, it gives you an answer. it's a controlled environment. we have to work with a.i. and

generative a.i. to get that right so it doesn't hallucinate. that will be down the read. we believe in the machine learning the ability to supplement humans our models to do portfolio construction that goes -- >> can't have the empathy to understand what a family needs? >> that's where it's critically important. the theory is that a.i. would replicate the human brain and human thinking. we will see what happens. that's still out there. >> i would love not to get replaced. thank you very much and good luck in ohio. >> thank you. >> phil. i have three pages of notes i want to talk about that interview, poppy. this morning the supreme court set to announce major rulings. what we can expect coming up next. before we go to break, "happy gilmore" is heading to college.

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that is a live look at the supreme court this morning where we could get at least one major ruling today. we are waiting on several big decisions. four days left in the summer session. that means we will be talking to cnn senior supreme court analyst joan. we have a handful of big decisions we are waiting for. do we expect any of them today? >> reporter: yes, phil. the court never tells us in advance which case we will get on the days of the last week. the suspense in the courtroom is heightened because they announced their opinions in reverse order of seniority we start with the junior justices with the less anticipated cases and then we get the biggies. let's just mention a couple. two that will affect students nationwide and higher educatiob north carolina redistricting case that could change election law nationwide. we have a religioners gay rights clash broughta

website designer who wants to start a weddinbse business but doesn't want to serve same-sex couples. the two i'll lie height involve higher education and affirmative action for starters, whether racial affirmative action policies that have been in place for decades and that have enhanced campus diversity and really given black and hispanic students a leg up, whether they will be ended. a group of conservatives challenged that. the other one that will affect students nationwide involves president biden's planned loan forgiveness program in the wake of covid. it's $1 billion program that republican states have challenged saying that only congress could have done this, not the executive. but that program could affect some, you know, 40 million students, giving them loan reprieve up to about $20,000 apiece. so those two cases involving

higher education probably will be most consequential. >> on "the firm" case, it appears that this court is ready to reverse where it has stood since greta versus bollinger in 2003 when the majority said we think there is a compelling state interest in diversity. if you are reading the tea leaves from the oral arguments, do you expect that may change this week? >> i do, poppy. and if there is -- if i am going to be shocked by anything this term, it's going to be if they do not roll it back because this has been something that chief justice john roberts has been working towards. he has a conservative majority to do it. i anticipate that he will, which had be staggering for the country, as you mentioned. it's been more than 40 years of policies. but we never say never and this court could surprise us. we'll see. sometime this week. >> thank you very much. we know you will be with us as

those decisions come down. all right. trump, ron desantis, they are set to collide in new hampshire. the latest on the 2024 race coming up ahead.

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atown haul state, every voter counts state. it matters. the issue has been everybody kind of thought there would be a breakout for desantis in new hampshire. perhaps it fit his profile. >> it's not happening because desantis, the campaign, he spends a lot of money on great people. it's completely not getting out of the gate. part of it is the candidate. he's not good with people. part is -- >> is that real though or kind of become -- >> pretty real. i served with him. look, i'm not going to go after his personality, but he's not -- he doesn't love shaking hands. he doesn't love interacting with people. i remember talking to him in the cloak room once and in the middle of the conssation, he picks up his phone and walks away. >> i have also wanted to do that. >> i understand that. i think chris christie is stepping in on his territory. chris christie is the truth sayer. he's been saying some great stuff as far as i'm concerned, and i think he's really taken a

lot from desantis in the new hampshire lane. >> it does appear desantis is trolling trump but not going there. encroaching on his space and tear but not addressing the issues that chris christie is, that is these indictments. curious to see if he says anything at all about this new audio cnn obtained. he seems to be taking him on in terms of i can outtrump, trump, and he's failed, but when it comes to the character issues and legal issues, he's not going there. that coupled with what you said, the weakness really is his lack of personality, is what people are describing. >> and as chris christie says, how are you going to run against the front-runner and never talk about him? so desantis' play is -- >> he did talk about it at the border yesterday. >> he'll tap around it. but desantis' play is trump collapses. desantis is there to pick up all his pieces. that was the play in 2016, too, and it didn't work.

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