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>> you are getting? >> no. >> okay, also during that campaign, libertarian gary johnson could not name a foreign leader that he admired and he could not name the leader of north korea, so cnn's own allison camerota asked him to explain. >> i just want to ask you about some of the foreign policy flubs that you have had publicly lately. first there was the aleppo moment where you did not know what aleppo was, and then you could not name your favorite foreign leader. so what is going on with you and foreign affairs? >> i guess because you can dot the eyes and cross the t's on foreign leaders and geographic locations, that now somehow you are qualified to put us in that situation? if that ends up to be the case, so be it. i guess i was not meant to be president. >> i guess he was not meant to be president. it seems like a good segue to
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our friend alison camerota. >> i appreciate that reminder. i have no recollection of that moment, because that was a campaign, as you well know, it does become a blur when you interview so many candidates day in and day out. abby, as you know. but that does seem like an important one and telling. >> to be fair, alison, i think a lot of our viewers may have forgotten that gary johnson was right up there with, 15 or 16 other candidates? but now that moment will live on in infamy. thank you for bringing it to us, alison. we appreciate it. >> thank you for reminding me, abby it's great to see you. good evening everyone i'm alison camerota welcome to cnn tonight. we have got exclusive cnn reporting tonight, that rudy giuliani, donald trump's former lawyer has been talking to prosecutors in the special counsel investigation into trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. one of trump's other former lawyers, michael cohen, is here tonight with his thoughts on
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down with special counsel prosecutors. but we have some idea about what they might want to talk to him about. we know that late last year he was subpoenaed for documents related payments that he received around the time that he was filing legal challenges on behalf of former president trump, trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. that's a vienna came when it was still a justice investigation, before special counsel jack smith was appointed. but, alison, when smith was appointed giuliani did not hear anything for over six months and there were questions being raised about whether that meant that he was possibly a target and not just a potential witness in this investigation. so the fact that he is now sat down with prosecutors, talked to them, presumably answered questions, that is notable. we just got a statement from his spokesperson, ted goodman, who said, quote, the appearance was entirely voluntary and conducted in a professional manner. >> so paula, do we know anything about the timing that
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the investigation is almost wrapping up? >> it does appear that way, alison. for all of our reporting on this side of the special counsel probe, looking at efforts to overturn the 2020 election, we always knew that this was going to have a longer timeline than the mar-a-lago documents probe because, look, there are more people with potential criminal exposure or potential crimes. it is a broader, more diverse array of criminal activity. it does appear over the past few weeks we have seen a flurry of witnesses going before the grand jury. we have seen other activity that suggested strongly that the special counsel could be nearing a charging decision. so far he is not brought any charges related to january 6th, but it appears that could be coming. it is completely unclear if rudy giuliani or former president trump or anyone at all will definitely be charged, but we are seeing an uptick in activity. >> we know you'll keep ups posted, thank you very much. here to discuss tonight we have a man who knows where giuliani and donald trump, he would say all too well, that is trump's former attorney michael cohen author of revenge, how donald
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trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his critics. michael is also the host of the -- podcast. also our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller is here and former u.s. attorney harry lippman. it's great to have you all here. john, rudy giuliani is fascinating because he talks a very big, bold game on cable tv and then when he is under oath in front of a judge he often changes his tune. case in point, we all remember on november 7th, 2020, when he stood outside of the four seasons landscape -- and made all these claims about how there were fraudulent, also it's a fraud in the 2020 election and he had proof of it. and then ten days later he was in court and the judge said do you have evidence of fraud and rudy giuliani said no, i do not, your honor. >> so he has a firm grasp on what you can get away with in
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the public forum, which is that it is not a crime to lie to the press, it's bad practice but it's not against the law. politicians do it all the time. and what you can do in court. as an officer of the court, he understands that making those statements is, if not against the law for perjury, if you know they are not true and you are making them, it least a violation of the ethics of the legal profession. so i think he understands how to change those channels. >> michael, you've seen rudy giuliani and action. what is he going to say to prosecutors? what story is going to tell that -- >> whatever story he needs to tell to keep himself out of trouble. rudy giuliani has seen what donald has done to myself, what he has done to so many attorneys that have fallen by the wayside because of foolish fealty to the four, and at the end of the day, rudy does not want what happened to me to
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happen to him. he will, as you may remember, rudy made the very interesting statement, i have an insurance policy, do not worry about it i have an insurance policy. >> what was the insurance policy supposed to be about? >> i don't remember, i think it was after he raided his home and they took's computer and sell phone and so on, they said to him are you nervous? he said no i have an insurance policy. maybe this is the insurance policy, maybe now he's willing to cooperate. maybe you do not require a subpoena, maybe he went in voluntarily, because he knows that if you go involuntarily it certainly looks better and the prosecutors who probably still have some shred of respect for him will probably give him the benefit of the doubt if they do not force his hand. >> i'm very curious, from both of you gentlemen, when he sits down with prosecutors, what is the brand of that meeting? is that a proper recession, here's what i can give you, or is that a let me talk you out of charging me because once you
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hear what i have to say? >> harry? >> this is the important point. paul is detail that we were focused on, is that he goes with his lawyer. it's a proper session, that he goes and asks for, on his own, but then it means that smith is now in the circle, the last circle before trump himself -- at peace with interviewing raffensperger, zeroing in on the false electors, and he's up to his neck in that. what this is called is a queen for a day, it goes into the prosecutors and it is all make believe, they cannot charge him, this is what i can do for you, this is what i can tell you and if they accept what he is looking for, angling for is immunity. second into that a very light charge and sentence, but he is got to give them something. what would that be? donald trump it seems to me. but this is really smith getting to just a half step
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away from trump himself. >> except one thing. that is assuming that it is the standard operating procedure. i know bob costello and of course i know rudy giuliani, bob costello is more than rudy's attorney, he is also his loyal friend. he may not be going in there as a -- queen for a day, he may be going in there as the support, as an adviser to him, more so then being the lawyer. -- >> i hear you. >> because costello, at one point in time, tried to become part of my defense team, so that he could report back to rudy giuliani. there is ethics and there's a crew, it really falls very far from -- the >> time out michael, and this happened in georgia, costello did the same thing to giuliani as a target. if it does not work that way than whatever giuliani says can and will be used against him. the only way to do it so that
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he is not incubating himself and giving the material is in this portend section where the lawyer helps them. i'm sure he is a good friend if he is looking out for him, it is now time to try to play ball and that is through a lawyer before you will actually fess up and -- >> which is what exactly they are doing. >> let's talk about the audiotape, before we hear donald trump in his own words talking about and it -- appears >> she i'm not the only one who gets caught on tape. >> oh no, donald trump has a lot of audiotapes as you well know. and so today he was on fox talking about what he believes that audiotape shows, here it is. >> -- copies of magazines, copies of different plans, copies of stories, having to do with many,
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many subjects, and what was said was absolutely fine, and very perfectly. we did nothing wrong. >> he did not say it very clearly, none of that, on that tape that we heard. it was quite different. >> maybe they played him a different tape. i mean, because on that tape, he literally builds the case for the prosecution. not only is he describing a document that is supposed to be an attack plan for the united states in the event that they have to invade a specific country, which fits the pure definition of the charge, which is information regarding the national defense. he acknowledges it is secret, he acknowledges he could have declassified it when he was president, but he can't now because he is not. he basically is writing the indictment for them in a soundbite, which, given that reaction, it is just strange his view of that conversation is so much less worrisome than it should be. >> let's talk about donald trump's motives for keeping those classified documents, and
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not handing them over to the national archives. what was it, michael? you know him, why did he want to keep those? >> you may remember, i was on your show right after they raided mar-a-lago, and took all the documents, and i turn around, i said to you, it's a nefarious purpose that he'd rather burn the country down then to allow himself to be indicted -- >> what specifically did he use it? for >> money, for power, in order to get out of jail free card. >> what does that mean? >> turn around, say, i have five, six copies, already made of this, and if i end up indicted, and incarcerated, we are going to send these out to kim jong-un, vladimir putin, whoever it might be, mohammed bin salman -- >> bribing the justice department if they were going to -- >> more like extorting. >> extorting the justice department. >> john is one hunted percent correct here. his understanding of what he says really exists and a whole
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other planet. it's a whole other sphere of nonsense that comes out of his mouth. i mean, he is talking about the newspaper. you can't classify a newspaper. his own words, as john said, he built the case for them. >> harry, do prosecutors have to show his motive? in court, do they have to figure out what he wanted these things? >> yeah, textbook no. nevertheless, it's a showcase audiotape in the indictment, paragraph six. even though it is not part of the charge, because this might be dissemination, it basically just shows, in the tape really shows viscerally, what a jerk, i think might be the legal term, ladies and gentlemen, the need i say more after we play the state? this is someone who cavalierly, and jocularly as more than willing to give up the crown jewel national security classified document. it's not even clear he has, and it doesn't even matter. they are not charging him with dissemination, but it's nevertheless such a piece of
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his character. >> i don't understand that. if it doesn't really have it, and he is just showing something else, often it's not a crime. i can tell you right now, i have national secrets, but if i don't, it's not a crime. >> 100% correct. that wouldn't be a crime, but it would still be really solid evidence of the crime with which she is charged. his willingness to do whatever he wants with national security documents. i think, notice they didn't charge of. they had the witnesses there, they said, did you, you know, show, did you see this, did you see that, and they probably didn't see it enough to absorb. it may well turn out it's a trumpian gesture, and it doesn't matter that that tape is still so good for showing everything he said, of course, is a lie, another nail in that coffin, when he said i automatically declassified things. ladies and gentlemen, it's what the 12th version of this story, need we say more? this is who the defendant's. >> can i remind you of something? the fbi raided mar-a-lago, and they recovered classified, top
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secret documents. there is a better than likely belief that the information that he was showing was what it is expected or purported to be. >> one very quick point, this is the reason they did. there was dissent within the ranks of the fbi. they got this tape -- holy cow, we got to go in. >> why didn't they raid bedminster? >> they didn't have probable cause at the time. that discussion happens in april of 2021 by the time they know about this, it is a year later. you have to show a magistrate fresh, probable cause. >> thank you, gentlemen, really helpful, and understanding all of this. great to see you guys. >> good to see you. >> what happens next in russia? one thing is for sure, people who cross the lottery put in do not have a long life expectancy. a former russian tv host and cnn's peter bergen tells us what that means for yevgeny prigozhin. we ready? - there's uh... - oh. left. left. i don't have it. i don't have it. - keep going. - we should've used behr. yeah. today let't's paint. right now, get america's most truststed paint brand
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zelenskyy says russia fired rockets at kramatorsk today, killing at least four people and injuring 47. the rocket strike happening days after that attempted rebellion against russian president vladimir putin. the president of belarus, alexander lukashenko, now claims he convinced putin not to, quote, destroy the wagner group and its chief if ghani prigozhin. there is new reporting today on who knew about the plan for rebellion before it happened. joining me now, we have cnn national security analyst, peter bergen, and former russian tv host stanislav kutcher. great to have both of you gentlemen here. okay, peter, eric times is reporting tonight a senior russian general had advanced knowledge of prigozhin's plan of rebellion, according to u.s. intelligence officials. does that explain why prigozhin thought he could marches wagner army into moscow?
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>> alisyn, i think it does, and it sadly explains a mystery, which is why in a group by prigozhin's own account was able to get 120 miles from moscow, seemingly with almost no opposition. so, you know, the fact there was at least a passive acceptance of this [inaudible] by senior russian generals, if this new york times report is correct, would help explain some of the events we saw unfold on saturday. >> yeah, stanislav, do you agree that, basically, prigozhin was under the -- if it is true, prigozhin was under the impression that some of the russian army, more of the russian army, including some of his top leaders, would join his forces? >> well, i don't honestly know what prigozhin had in mind before, but i'm absolutely positive that quite a few people, not only one in general, had been aware of his plans. by the way, the interesting
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thing about mr. serve again is that he was the first russian army general who issued a posted video address with prigozhin and his bogner, calling him to stop the rebellion. he was very sad as he was delivering that message. he had obviously been talking to, recording that message, which means that using social media. i think i'd like to share a funny meme that is making its round in the russian social media, and which will probably give you an idea of how much the russian public, how people are reacting to all of this. let me miss, how to explain russia to someone who isn't familiar with russia. based on the happenstance of a single day. so, on the weekend, the defenders of russian decided to
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take power and russia, subsequently some other defendants of russia flew to kill the first defendants of russia, but they themselves were killed during the attempt. we are talking now about at least two helicopters which were shot down by wagner. prigozhin, a russian hero, was on route to kill russian hero [inaudible] the russian defense minister. as a result, russian hero set out to kill russian hero progression. simultaneously, russian hero [inaudible] head of the fsb [inaudible] prigozhin but admittedly closed it. that's why the main russian hero, putin, first guaranteed the traders would all pay a mighty planets, and rapidly guaranteed that they would not pay a penance at all. that is giving you an idea of how many actually very high
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ranking russian heroes, you know, russian military guys were involved. that's the joke, of course. obviously, there is no doubt for goshen was not alone here. >> peter, i'm sure you've all of that byzantine logic perfectly, having studied russia for as long as you have. i think stanislav brings up a good point, which is, what happens to people who cross putin, as we know. so, so many of his opponents, obviously, ended up dead or severely wounded, or poisoned, or they mysteriously fall off of balconies. i mean, in recent memory, here is a few. in 2015, boris nemtsov was the political adversary, fears putin critic, he was shot dead on a moscow bridge. they were witnesses. i mean, it was a very brutal assassination, basically, in 2018, we remember the father and daughter duo, sergei and julia, they were poisoned after
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touching a doorknob at their home. it was in a different country, in the uk. in 2022, a reveal meghan, of the former chairman of the russian gas giant lukoil, he ended up dead after, quote, falling out of a hospital window. he had criticized the ukraine war, and, of course, we all know alexei navalny, who just, you know, continues to endure these horrors at the hands of putin. he's still alive, but he's been poisoned, he's in a prison camp, et cetera. so, what's going to happen to prigozhin? >> well, if you are a betting person, you would give him pretty bad odds of, let's say, dying naturally in his bed. the one thing about those examples you mentioned, alisyn, intelligence cycles you talk about plausible deniability, but i think what putin does, he has implausible the night ability. he wants people to know that he
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is responsible for, the kremlin is responsible for. you mentioned, he was shot just around the corner from the kremlin. people, like the ones poisoned by a exotic nerve agent, when these poisonings kapan, they are done in a way they couldn't possibly be some normal criminal act. it is clearly a state. and when people looked into these, the various examples you've given, you know, inquiries have been made, and, typically, the finger is pointed at the kremlin. prigozhin, for the moment, i think is okay. after all, putin is losing the war, and not winning the war in ukraine. he does need the wagner group to be a relatively effective group, but, you know, there will come a point where i think putin holds grudges for a very long time. i think prigozhin will not benefit from that. >> peter bergen, stanislav kucher, thank you both very much. great to have your insights tonight. >> thank you.
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the supreme court giving a big win to voting rights today. in a 63 ruling, the justices decided that the north carolina supreme court did not violate the u.s. constitution when it invalidated the state's 2022 congressional map. the ruling rejected the controversial trump backed election theory that would have
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given state legislatures a limited role in reviewing election rules in federal elections. former president obama just one of the people applauding the courts ruling, saying in a statement, quote, this ruling is a resounding rejection of the far-right theory that has been peddled by election deniers and extremists seeking to undermine our democracy. it makes clear that courts can continue defending voters rights in north carolina and in every state. joining me now is -- former acting solicitor general and host of courtside with neil couch out the podcast. he wants today's case on behalf of the voting rights group common cause. joey was witness so important for the country. >> judge michael luttig, a prominent conservative judge described this as the most important case for democracy in the june have centuries since americas founding. i think the reason for it is because the republican party
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here was pressing illegal theory that, basically said that state legislatures can do whatever they want, they do not have to abide by the constitution, they do not have to abide by what state courts say about it, they get to basically do anything they like. you know, that is contrary to two centuries of checks and balances that our system has had, but yet it sure looked like before the argument that many of the justices were entertaining this idea and so today in the 6 to 3 decision, written by the chief justice, they resoundingly through that out and said the independent state legislature theory has no purchase. >> but this in layman's terms for the rest of us. how do you lost this case today what it would've meant for the 2024 election? >> it would've meant to state legislatures could do what they want, including possibly appointing their own electors to the electoral college as
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opposed to following the popular vote, it would have meant state legislatures could change the voting rules, any which where they want. absentee ballots, pulling orders, you name it. the number of shenanigans that could have been launched was infinite. so what chief justice roberts said today was that in this country we have the tradition of judicial review, judicial oversight, particularly over things that impact our democracy and if you think back to the 2020 election there are about 60 different cases that donald trump tried to bring, claiming to -- that he won. in almost all of those cases were in state courts and had this theory prevailed, all of those cases would have come out of the other way. and so what i think ultimately you have here is the chief justice, along with five of his colleagues including trump appointed justices amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh, saying no, we are drawing the
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line in the sand that we are going to resist efforts by state legislatures to mess with the integrity of the election, including the 2024 election. >> in other words, was this case directly connected to january six and the scheme to reject joe biden's electors? >> yeah, it is the same legal theory that a lot of the january 6th stuff was based on, which is the idea that state legislators are in control and can call all of the shots. indeed, john eastman who many describe as the arc type of president trump's january six theory, even filed a breeze in the u.s. supreme court in this case trying to pedal this theory, a theory that has now been resounded lee rejected by the court. i think one interesting thing about the case is that most people thought we were going to lose this case, including people on our site. in fact, almost all the lawyers on our side for different parties tried to tell the supreme court, get rid of this case. do not decide this case, you do
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not have jurisdiction. those arguments were totally wrong, totally misguided, and they stand as a powerful lesson that if somebody carefully studies the supreme court decisions, litigants can win cases that stand up for our democracy and that is what happened today. >> neil, i wanted to ask you about what happened this week. as you probably know cnn exclusively obtained a 2021 audio recording of president trump, he was holding a meeting at his golf club in bedminster new jersey and he is talking about holding, literally in his hands, top secret documents and showing them off to guests who did not have security clearances. what was your reaction when you heard that recording? >> it is a smoking gun. it basically blows trump's defense into smithereens. trump's basic defense has been, well, i thought these documents already classified and on the audiotape you hear him, first of all, showing these documents,
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which is disgusting. the idea that former president or anyone who had a security clearance would be showing these documents is something i cannot even begin to fathom. you know, americans risked their lives to generate those documents or our allies spies do, you could not treat them cavalierly. i was national security adviser at the justice department, i can guarantee you that anything one who did such a thing would not only be fired but prosecuted immediately. that is one, but the second is that you hear trump on the tape actually saying oh, that is a classified document. it does not declassified, and i do not have the power to declassify because i'm not the president. that throws the whole theory that he can magically declassified documents by bringing them out of the oval office to smithereens, to. it was never a real legal theory, it was only a made-up one. but even in a made-up, profound world donald trump does not even pretend to believe it and that is what the tape says.
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>> you hear the people around him laughing. do you think that he put lives in danger? >> 100%. it is unfathomable what he did, and that is why i am so glad that people like bill barr, including on your network talking about this. people like a former foreign chief of staff john kelly and others saying no way, this is abhorrent behavior and criminal behavior. >> neil, you are the host of the podcast courtside with neal katyal, and you have a new episode dropping tonight with john legend where you discuss the supreme court and voting rights. tell us about that. >> basically what i want to do is bring the supreme court and make it alive to ordinary americans. each week i have discussion with a non lawyer like a john legend this week or next week it will be katie couric, in future ones it will be jeff combs the artist or john mullin is a comedian. we just go through one supreme court case in detail and tried to take it really seriously, because i think unfortunately
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the court has been characterized in a lot of our discourse and we want to methodically go through it, ask what the court is doing, what their moves are, and is it a right and just decision? >> that sounds like a great lineup, i cannot wait to listen. neal katyal thank you so much for being on the program tonight, your podcast courtside is available wherever podcasts are found. you can sign up for a subscription at neal katyal dot substack.com. as you can see our panel, lee carter, -- josh perot and coleman hues are standing by with their analysis of the trump tape and so much more after this a very short break.
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art, our panel is here to talk about donald trump caught on tape talking about those classified, secret documents. okay. let me start with you, coleman. what do you hear on that tape? >> we do not know whether he is necessarily really risking lives, i think that will come to light as the -- >> in revealing and iraq -- iran, a top plan put together by mark milley it sounds like something that should not be disclosed. >> absolutely wrong, it causes a obvious red line and we will see what the potential consequences of that could be. we'll see about that. but the key point about this is that he is shooting his own best defense in the foot. he had these legal defenses
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that i could have classified it, which there is a truth to, he could have declassified it. now he is actually shooting that defense in the foot to himself, he is on tape admitting that he did not. here's the key takeaway. >> trump keeps coming up with all of these stories about how he did not have the document in his hands, it was newspaper quick beings, maybe it was a plan for a golf course is one of the things that he said this week. the purpose that the tape from 2021, that interview tape warriors talking about the iran war plan, the purpose for which that is going to be used in a criminal trial is not actually brought iran or plan. he's not been indicted for possessing that document, the government never found that document. what matters about that tape is that he says on the tape that he did not declassify all these documents when he is president, he knows he cannot classify them anymore and they are still secrets and he's not supposed to possess them. it demonstrates what he knows around his legal obligations, so the other documents that the government did find in the search of mar-a-lago, one of the things you'll have to prove
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is that he knowingly kept them and he knew they were classified and that tape will help demonstrate that, even if he never was holding the iran war plan. even if he was lying about the document, he still demonstrated that he understood certain things that have committed a crime. >> let's talk about how all this plays into the presidential campaign. today, speaker of the house that kevin mccarthy was on cnbc and talking about whether some of the stuff has weakened donald trump and if he is still just as strong. here's what he said in the morning, here's what kevin mccarthy said. >> it makes it complicated to casey's got all of these trials and, all of this stuff overhanging. >> it makes it complicated, but could also help some. can he win that election? >> i think he can. >> it is easy strongest? >> i do not know that answer. >> somehow by the afternoon he did know that answer because apparently team trump was quite unhappy with how the speaker had answered that question. so here, a few hours after that,
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is what kevin mccarthy said and i will read it because this was to breitbart. the only reason biden is using his weaponized federal government to go after trump is because he is biden's strongest political opponent. as polling continues to show, just look at the numbers this morning. trump is stronger today than he was in 2016. what do you hear there? >> i hear the flip-flop that is indicative of where republican leaders are with donald trump right now. kevin mccarthy acknowledges in the morning is pretty much common-ology among most republican voters. there is an openness to maybe some alternatives of four of the electors who are basically saying that some of these things have weight on their support for donald trump. we saw that in the midterms where there is actually a kind of fall in nature in his relationship with his own base, some of that has come back around to him. but what has changed since the midterms is that that is not something that you can say as he become a little more likely to become the nominee, and so you have kevin mccarthy as he is done over and over, having
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to crawl back to donald trump and basically politically apologize in the most open manner. this is, for kevin mccarthy, he looks weekend. but this is somebody came into that office with that hanging over them. since he got that speaker gavel, the trump wing of the party is put pressure on him even as he is continued to rack up some -- there's a disconnect between the kevin mccarthy who has sometimes been underestimated legislatures wise in washington, but politically always swings back to donald trump. he remains the center of gravity for the party and nobody's been able to block that out. >> ali, what do you think of the speakers verbal gymnastics? >> he's a politician and what he said this morning is true. donald trump might not be the strongest candidate, but he is the one who is pulling the strongest right now. he is ahead of ron desantis by 30 points in this moment, 18% of republicans say they are more likely to consider him today than they were before the indictment. so i'm not sure that it was trump's people got to give mccarthy as much of people said, hey, you've got to be careful
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because you do not want to lose that 51% of republican voters right now who are supporting donald trump. and kevin mccarthy has a very difficult job right now, he's got a whole bunch of people that are very difficult to manage and if he says anything against donald trump it becomes even more difficult to manage it. i'm not sure if it was donald trump or somebody else, but he is walking a type road here. a lot of people are saying that i wish that -- the problem is more than half the republican voters right now are saying that is who they want and so it is a tough game. >> why is kevin mccarthy have such a slim majority in the house at this moment? the country rejected the kind of version of republicans that he has been all in on. he is helped democrats and as recently as november. >> i think that donald trump hurt in the mid terms no question about it, but i think the bigger issue is what has happened to the supreme court and abortion. the fact that roe v. wade got rolled back a year ago, put out more people that were going to vote republican than ever before, and i think that is still an issue.
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when you think about 28% of people are saying that that is going to be the primary reason that people go out and vote, 90% of democrats are saying that as what is gonna make them vote. 74% of independent women are saying that is kind of what makes them vote, and that is happening more than own drop. >> what are your thoughts? >> it reminds me back in the obama administration when john boehner was leaving the speakership and kevin mccarthy was supposed to be the air apparent, and won the missteps that he made, that made republicans nervous and they reached for paul ryan instead was that he went on tv and he made these comments about how the benghazi hearings were being useful for damaging hillary clinton politically, which is what you are not supposed to say. it was the political purpose, but you had to say it was about national security and the americans who died at benghazi and you forgot the talking point that was not a very complicated talking point. that happened here again where he it was not hard to remember what you are supposed to say about trump, where you're not supposed to express the wariness. i agree that he is performed much better legislatively than i expected out from, but it's a
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pattern that i see of him not having the ability that he needs to have to say our message. >> as they say, a gaffe is when a politician accidentally says what they think, so my question is that when he said that in the moment who is a thinking of? chris christie? >> you mean you might be stronger? >> that's right. >> thank you all very much, great analysis. next, you know what city had the worst air quality in the world today? here's a hint, it is in the u.s.. we will tell you where and why next. >> woman: why did i choose safelite? i love my electric car, so when my windshield got cracked, i trusted the experts at safele. with their state-of-the-art technolo, they replaced the ndshield, recalibrated the car's camera, and then recycled my old glass. i found out safelite recycles over three million windshields a year.
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