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good evening tonight three 60, former president trump turns up the glass light, showing off classified material at his golf club is perfectly normal. also tonight, exclusive cnn reporting. rudy giuliani talking to federal investigators and later, russia strikes again this time a crowded restaurant in ukraine. we will take you there. we begin tonight keeping them honest with a former president running a play from the playbook that he is used time and time again. the former president trying to do damage control today after we played an audiotape last night, that cnn exclusively obtained, in which he is boasting about and seemingly showing off, a classified war plan he was not allowed to have, to people not allowed to see it. the audio was recorded with his knowledge at his bedminster golf club in july of 2021, and
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is expected to be evidenced at his upcoming trial. i want to replay a portion of it for you now, before showing you his remarks today about it. so there's no doubt whatsoever about what he's now trying to gaslight away. >> let's see here. [laughter] i just found, isn't that amazing? this totally wins by, case you know. except it is highly confidential, secret [laughter] . this is a secret information. this was done by the military, and given to me. i think we can, probably right? we'll >> have to see, we'll have to see. >> declassified. >> well >> as president, i could've declassified. and now i can't. >> yet now you have a problem [laughter] . >> isn't that interesting? >> the former president acknowledging it's classified information, secret, highly confidential, he says. and acknowledging he did not be classified, and cannot.
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according to the special counsel's indictment, he is speaking with a writer working in mark meadows memoir, the publisher and two of his own staffers. and speaking to vox today, in new hampshire, the former president seems to suggest that what you just heard, was not what you just heard. >> what did i say wrong on those recordings? i didn't even see the recording. all i know, as i did nothing wrong. we had a lot of papers, a lot of papers stacked up. in fact, you can hear the russell of the paper. and nobody said i did anything wrong. other than the fake news, which of course is fox too. >> well first of, all audio is not something you can see, it's a record, you hear it. but putting that aside, he then goes on the top details about what's on the audio, which he says he's never seen. but, his basic argument, is one of his favorite go-tos. what you heard, is not what you heard. his campaign spokesman also continuing to gaslight. quote, the audiotape provides context, proving once again that president trump did
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nothing wrong at all. that's former spokesman -- >> it was followed by another state but from the former president speaking about himself in the third person. quoting now, as we've been saying for the moment president trump ran down the golden escalator, the president did nothing wrong. so, not only did the former president say he didn't do what he was caught on tape doing. according to, him he's never done one some single thing wrong since the moment he declared history candidacy in 2015. despite being caught on tape this time, despite being caught on tape asking georgia fischel's asking to find 11,000 -- which he was not entitled to in the 2020 election. and facing another possible indictment. despite having been recorded asking the president of ukraine for help smearing then candidate joe biden, in exchange for military aid and being impeached. despite having been found liable for defaming the woman he was also found liable for sexually abusing in the 1990s. all of that, but to believe the former president and his supporters, there's simply nothing to see here. in other words, we are back to one of his oldest tropes. joining us now, cnn anchor and chief correspondent kaitlan collins. also, cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former
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fbi director andrew mccabe. this is just right out of his playbook, i mean it would be funny if it weren't so serious. >> it is, but also if you listen to it, he's not disputing really what's at the heart. he simply trying to talk about all the paperwork that he had, kind of throwing everything in their. maybe this is a defense tactic, it's not totally clear to me. >> while he claimed in the past there was articles and other things that he had on his desks. >> right, but articles, newspaper clippings, newspaper notes, are not classified materials. and what he says, on the audio, is that this is like highly classified. and then he says, it's secret. and then he says look. so i think, he's not saying there that it's some magazine clipping. yes, he does keep a lot of those, often if you were to see his desk they would -- but what i was struck by, with his defense there of what he was saying, and saying that he hadn't seen or heard the audio. but saying that he did nothing, wrong is what he was saying, and what his campaign is saying, is not actually a dispute of what we can hear on the audio.
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because you can't dispute the audio. and i think that is why his attorneys, when they found out about this several months ago, knew this was going to be such a problem. because it does completely undercut their defense, which is that he declassified things before he left the white house. or after he left a. wales >> and not just him saying, that a lot of his surrogates, and sycophants around him, all were around on television saying all -- of he automatically declassified those, things he acknowledges that he didn't. >> and that's the -- most part of this. and that would be the most difficult. because they've not only said that in public, but they say that in legal filings. and i think that will be tough for todd blanche, and whoever else joins his legal team as they are taking this to trial. >> andrew, the former president is claiming those papers we hear about rustling, and him are just innocuous articles. not only does that -- on the tape about being secret classified, highly classified. but, there are witnesses in the room. how likely is it that jack smith has talked to others in that? room >> i guarantee.
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it i can't guarantee it, but it's about as close as i can come to a guarantee. i'm quite sure that they identified, and interviewed, and possibly even brought to the grand jury any number of those four witnesses. and i respect that you will see those witnesses at the trial as well. and, if any of those witnesses takes the stand, they'll be asked things like, they will stop the tape at a particular tint hot point. and say, okay at that moment, when he made that comment, what was in his hand? and they will describe the docket that was in his hand. and they will say, did you actually say what was on the page? could you see if they were classified markings. was there a cover sheet, with a colored border around? any of those things that any of us know, as being indicators of classified material. so, his defense of it was just a fistful of newspaper articles, will fall apart. and i should also say that, even if that's his defense, essentially i was actually holding something that was not what i said it was. that puts him in the unenviable position of telling the jury, essentially, you hear me on that tape lying. that's what i sound like when
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i'm lying. and that is never a good impression that you want to leave with a jury. >> former congresswoman liz cheney spoke to nbc about this, and i just want to play you that. >> we've seen now, with the audiotape, that is out today as well. that there's just simply no question that he's on fit to be the president of the united states. >> i mean obviously, she's not aligned with the former president's supporters. how is this being viewed by people, the former president, by his back? chris >> i think people view it as problematic. but the other way, i think when people are shocked when republicans don't come out and say things. like oh, -- don't even at least criticize the conduct that is underlying at the center of this. is, they've seen trump survive scandal time and time again. and he's been fine, and i think that is why you hear
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republicans be so hesitant to come out. i mean, there was a congressman from tennessee on with dana earlier today. and he was saying, he called it world, that every time something like this happens for him, his numbers have plummeted. but for -- his numbers still do okay. and he was saying, just how mystified he is by that. not even in a critically, but i do think that's how republicans see this. and, as trump was flying back from new hampshire today, he had to reporters on the play with him. -- and he said to her, explaining his comments on the audio saying it was bravado. in there, as he was talking to the people in the room. and it reminded me of access hollywood. when he was saying, you know it's just locker room talk. and i gave republicans this defense to use. and they came out, and used it after being a little bit quiet for but. and then i just, that is part of the mentality, in how republicans stand up for. they see how he's doing in the polls, and they see that he's weathered of other scandals. >> extraordinary he was trying
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to impress a ghost writer from mark meadows as, a writer for a book no one will ever read. andrew, what does this tape and the other known evidence so far mean about the strength of the special counsel's case? >> i mean for all indications, anderson, the case is incredibly strong. we knew that already, with the indictment. which is very detailed, and it's not detailed of allegations, is detailed with actual statements of fact, things that can be backed up by pieces of. evidence this recording, just adds a level of reality for those jurors. a match, and you are sitting in the jurors box. and that recording us played, you are essentially listening to the defendant, saying in his own words, that you are actually listening to him commit commit the offenses that he's been accused. if he is in possession of national defense information. he isn't knowing possession of national defense information by his own description, on the recording, it's clearly
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national defense information. it's, allegedly, a memorandum of options to attack another nation. and then he commits the offense of, sharing it, either by description, or actually by showing a bunch of people in the room, who don't have access, and don't have lawful access to that material. so, it's just a vivid, and unmistakable impression, that they will go away with, that they've actually kind of heard, at least in one instance, the former president doing exactly what's been alleged. >> kaitlan, as you know, walt nada, who is the former presidents, i guess closest spotty person. he was supposed to be in court today, what happened. >> he didn't go to court, because he never made it there. because, there's obviously been a lot of flight cancellations. he, reportedly sat on the tarmac for several hours yesterday, never ultimately made it down to the miami to get arraigned. remember, two weeks ago when trump was arrested and arraigned in miami, walt was supposed to be there as. well he is now a codefendant
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for the former president. but he wasn't, because he didn't have a florida-based attorney, which you need to waive you into have your rights read to you, to plead not guilty. he didn't have that. he still doesn't have that, based on what we. no so it's not even clear. >> he still doesn't have a florida-based? attorney >> based of what we know so. far so starting where this would have gone forward today, or what that would look like. but i do think that this is an indication of -- the judge here, and what the timelines are going to look. like is it going to get delayed? because after that happened today, his flight was delayed, or his flight never made there, he was never in florida. his attorney was there though. the judge said, okay, well you have to be their july six, that is your next date, and you have to have a florida attorney here with you. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. andrew mccabe as well. kaitlan's gonna have a speaking with the former trump attorney -- parlatore in the next hour. joining me now, for his reaction to the trump audiotape, is constitutional scholar and harvard law professor laurence tribe. professor, you hear the former president saying this -- which is what he said about most things. how problematic do you think it
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is for his? defense >> well i think it, essentially destroys any defense he could have had. it makes it clear that he knew, that he had no longer any authority to declassify documents. and, classified or not, this for all appearances, was not just a document that was top secret. it was operational contingency plans for attacking iran. just showing it to people, and i think it's clear that jack smith, who always dots his eyes and crosses his t's, is going to be able to show that it was exactly what donald trump claimed it was. his defense, if you want to call it that, that i was just bragging and lying, which maybe his defense. or maybe he will say it was a
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planted -- or maybe he will say something else. you never know, it's just green-lighting all over the place. but, there is going to be evidence for the people in the room, where it happened, that this will -- >> do you think it's, i mean what jack smith, is it possible that jack smith would not have included this, if he didn't have people in the room who could back up what was actually on these papers, he was rustling about? >> not only possible, it's likely he wouldn't have included it, if he didn't have that kind of backup. he's essentially, there are so many ways it can be used. it could be used as a kind of exit ramp, if aileen cannon slow walks the case, or make some impossible rulings. it means he could be indicted in new jersey, because this show and tell of the very dangerous national security information, and defense information. it occurred in bedminster. he can also use it to prove trump's state of mind in a prosecution in florida.
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we it's also important, quite apart from how it's used legally, when it's important in the way that liz cheney said. it shows, to anybody who cares about this nation, or about the constitution, or about preserving a republic, that this man is a clear and present danger to the security of the united states of america. he, and the people around him, think it's cool to show people how we would go about attacking a nation like iran, if push came to shove. just step back for a minute, what does that say about what it would mean for him to have continued access to top secret materials, about how we would respond to a crisis in the middle east, to something in the taiwan straits? this man is a clear danger to the country, quite apart from how people will react to the trial. and after seeing and hearing this evidence, the only way that a juror could possibly
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vote to acquit him, is by basically saying, i don't care if he is guilty. i'm committed from the start to going with the leader. he is my leader, and hopefully a fair jury will prevent anyone beyond their, who either is pre-committed to vote to convict, or free committed to vote to convict, so this is going to be devastating evidence. but quite apart, from that if the country hears this as it is beginning to on cnn and other networks. it's going to begin sleeping in, that this man cares about nothing but himself. he is willing to sacrifice the country to hold power. i don't think it is going to be a majority in even a very red state, that says it's fine to do that. >> about the venue, is there a scenario, or any scenario, about -- introducing the tape in court?
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or is this virtually guaranteed. we've seen in the past that, there is no predicting what she will do. she may be in that sense a loose cannon but. there is no legal sense in which he could excluded, because it certainly bears at least on his state of mind. it doesn't have to have happened in florida, in order to prove that he knew what it meant to have this kind of material, and he knew that he had no right to hold it. he said you, know i no longer have a right to declassified. so it's clearly admissible. but if she were to mistakenly exclude it, then they could indict him in new jersey. because her only grounds for excluding would be, this is a new jersey, matter not a matter of florida. >> you mentioned the jury earlier. the trial will likely be held in areas relatively favorable, we believe, to the former president. how concerned do you think the special counsel team should be?
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>> well i think they should realize that the process of jury selection will be very important. because it only takes one juror to result in a hung jury and a miss trial. so it's really important to realize that the process of jury selection has to be meticulous. we really have to pick people who take their oath seriously, and follow the law and it turns out in this country, people to take their oath seriously even if they are part of what a politically committed group committed to a particular person. so i think although it's a concern, i'm also willing to believe that the jury system is at work. but there is the backup of going to new jersey, and he could certainly be indicted, and i'm sure he will in d. c for the plot to overturn the
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election. so he has it coming the main thing is that the country sees this evidence that this is a dangerous man to put in charge of our most important national defense secrets. -- >> i appreciate you being on the, program thank you. coming up next, a cnn exclusive. rudy giuliani, talking to federal rossiter's about attempts to overturn the 2020 election, as the investigation appears to be accelerating. and, all we are learning with a missile strike on civilians in ukrainian city of kramatrosk tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. that can be analyzed by ai in real time. ♪ so researchers can identify which areas are at risk. and help life underwater flourish. ♪
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>> in a moment, conservative and former federal appeals court, judge michael rudik, who won that committee that trump and his allies pose a real and present danger to democracy. his take on the court ruling, and the right-wing legal theory that was central to overturn the 2020 election. and might have had a sub picnic and impact for 2024. it's exclusive cnn reporting from the lawyers who was in that effort. rudy giuliani. who was recently in a -- with federal investigators. what we know about this julianna interview? >> anderson, my colleague paula reid 90 that giuliani went in and spoke to federal investigators who of course are still investigating january 6th, and efforts to subvert the peaceful transition of power. but what we do not know is what the focus was of this meeting, this discussion with
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investigators. you know, there are a number of elements around january 6th and rudy giuliani was involved in that could've been the focus. we know for instance that witnesses have been asked recently about the activities of top lawyers surrounding trump, who are spreading these baseless claims of election fraud. we know giuliani is one of those folks, we know giuliani had previously been subpoenaed by the feds who are looking for documents related to payments he got around the 2020 election. of course, it's reported that investigators have been looking into this fake electors scheme and julianna played a role in overseeing these electors across southern battleground states. those are all areas that investigators could have focused on with giuliani, but we do not know for certain what the subject of this meeting was, anderson. >> did he have to answer questions? could he just plead the fifth? >> certainly no one is forcing him to answer questions, but this is a meeting that he goes to with prosecutors, it's not appearance before the grand jury from what we understand at this point. so it does seem like there was likely some back and forth, but we do not know exactly what the
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focus of this meeting us with investigators. >> does it indicate anything about what stage the investigation is out? >> it's interesting because it's pretty late in the game for investigators to be talking to rudy giuliani, somebody who is a big figure and prominent player around trump at this time. we know that there has been a steady stream of witnesses going into the federal grand jury, we know that prosecutors have been trying to tap new witnesses a to come in for interviews and check the box to make sure they covered all the bases. we got indications from people familiar with the investigation that we could be nearing a charging decision in this case, of course, special counsel jack smith has not actually announced any charges. so we are going to have just wait and see how would you giuliani could potentially fit in all of this, anderson. >> sarah murray, we appreciate it. the conservative legal scholar and federal appeals court judge michael luttig testified last year before the house january 6th select committee, you'll remember he is the one who's legal argument persuaded former vice president pence that there was no basis for him to reject the electoral -- that the president wanted him
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to do. in a recent op-ed, judge luttig condemned the republican parties support for the former president and predicted more legal troubles ahead for him. judge luttig, we appreciate you joining us. i want to discuss today's key ruling, but first how big a deal is it in your view that route giuliani met with federal prosecutors looking into efforts to overturn the 2020 election? >> i am just learning of that tonight, anderson and it is obviously significant. it is hard to assess just how significant it is, for the past few weeks at least it seemed that jack smith and the department of justice are nearing charging decisions for january 6th, it makes perfectly good sense to me that they would want to talk to mr. giuliani before making those decisions. >> in a recent new york times
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op-ed which was a blistering indictment of the republican parties support for donald trump, he wrote that a criminal indictment, for trying to overturn the 2020 election is almost certain. i'm wondering why you think that the grand jury is so likely to indict him on that. >> we know that the grand jury was empaneled a long time ago, it has been working due to flee for many, many months now and, ever since jack smith came on board as the special counsel, anderson, the department of justice seems to have picked up the pace in that investigation and one just has the sense that we are nearing a time when charges will be brought, or not brought for that matter. >> the supreme court today rejected the so-called independent state legislator theory. can you just explain how this theory tracks with the actions of the president trump wanted vice president pence to take,
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actions that we should remind people that you personally convinced the president not to take. >> anderson, the -- versus harper is the most significant case for america's democracy since our founding almost 250 years ago. >> wow, that is saying a lot. >> it is indeed and i can explain that to you if we have time. but today's decision was a reverberating, resounding victory for america's democracy. but, to your specific question, the independent, so-called independent state legislator theory of constitutional interpretation was the centerpiece of the former presidents effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. in particular, that aspect of
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the plan that called for the various legislatures in the swing states to transmit to congress for counting fake electoral slates that would vote for donald trump over joe biden, even though joe biden had won the popular vote in those respective states. the former president and his allies had argued for this independent state legislature theory, even before the 2020 presidential election. and, in december of 2020, the supreme court actually declined to take the case, which would have settled the issue prior to january six. i always thought that the court had an obligation to take the case at that time, but it did
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not. once it did not i, and other people who followed the supreme court, needed that the court would take the case sooner rather than later and it took more versus harper sooner and decided that case today. >> do you believe, or what impact do you think the supreme court ruling today could have all the special counsel's investigation, for instance, on the former president? >> as i said, we know that the independent state legislature theory, which was decided today by the supreme court, was the centerpiece of that effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. and so jack smith and the department of justice are scrutinizing that plan, the centerpiece of which was the independent state legislature theory. as i thought about it this afternoon, after this morning's
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decision, if i were jack smith, and the attorney general of the united states, i believe that i would have needed today's decision from the supreme court of the united states in order to proceed with charges against the former president and his allies and compatriots in connection with the january six events. >> when you testified last year before the january 6th select committee you said in part, quote, donald trump and his supporters are clear and present danger to american democracy. they would attempt to overturn the 2024 election in the same way they attempted to overturn the 2020 election, but succeed in 2024 where they failed in 2020. do you still believe that clear and present danger exists tonight and in the months ahead? >> as of tonight, the danger is neither clear nor present.
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with the decision today repudiating the independent state legislature theory, anderson, when you couple today's decision repudiating that theory with congresses reform, if you will, of the electoral count act at the end of its last term, those two accomplishments, if you will, all but ensure that no president, let's pallone the former president, could attempt to overturn the 2024 presidential election in the same way, using the same template that the former president used in 2020. >> judge luttig i really appreciate you being with us, thank you so much. >> thank you anderson, it is a pleasure. >> coming up, the former
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several republican candidates for president or new hampshire today, including as we mentioned the former president along with his top republican challenger for the white house ron desantis. desantis had led the race there in the beginning of the year, and the former president's
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ahead in the primary state by double digits. today he sharply attacked or desantis on a number of fronts, meanwhile the florida governor while -- criticizing that of the former president, until i came to an audience question about january six. christian holmes says more. >> former president, donald trump of the gop front runner. speaking at a luncheon with the new hampshire federation of republican winner. >> thanks as well to all of the republican women of the great state of new hampshire. >> thank you! >> and attacking his chief rival, florida governor, ron desantis. >> he said how come you only attack him? i say, because he is in second place. why don't you attack others? because they're not in second place. but soon i don't think he'll be in second place, i'll be attacking someone else. >> desantis taking a less direct approach during his town hall, about 40 miles away. >> the question is, and i remember these rallies in 2016. it was exciting. drain the swamp! i also remember, lock her up! lock her up! right? and then two weeks after the
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election. forget about it, forget i ever said that. no, no, no. one thing you will get for me. if i say i want to do something, i'm not just saying that for an election. as he seeks to make inroads. in the gop primary state, desantis is urging voters to look forward, not backwards. and the climbing to criticize the former president when asked. >> some people think that trump 's actions on january 6th and beyond violated the key principles of america and the constitution, said forced by our founding fathers. do you believe that trump violated the peaceful transfer of power? >> so here is what i know, if this election is about biden's failures, and our vision for the future, we are going to weigh in. if it's about re-litigating things that happened two or three years ago, we are going to lose. >> desantis taking questions from the audience. a tradition of the primary process.
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after not doing so on his first swing to the state. >> what's your administration going to do to protect our second amendment rights? showing that gun laws don't seem to keep the guns out of the criminals hands. >> the repeated event prompting the republican women's groups who criticize desantis for driving attention away from the luncheon with trump. it was part of the statement. >> it's not nice, but he's holding an event right now to compete with us. >> as a republican primary heats up, how speaker kevin mccarthy not saying whether he believes trump is the strongest candidate for the party to nominate in 2024. >> can trump viewed biden? yeah. >> it makes it complicated if he has got all these trials and all the stuff overhanging. >> it makes it complicated, it also helps them. the question is either strongest? i don't know. >> those comments sparking outrage from trump allies and advisers who believes the former president helped
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mccarthy claim the speakership, after helping gop hard-liners in the house to break him. >> christian holmes joins us from new hampshire. as speaker mccarthy said anything else since he made those remarks? >> well, anderson, after we reported just how angry trump's allies and advisers were, mccarthy appeared to play cleanup. eat docked to a conservative news outlet and said trump was stronger today than he was in 2016 and attempted to say this was the media driving some sort of pledge between the speaker and the former president. of course, as we just played for you that sound, it was mccarthy himself who said that you does not know if trump is the strongest candidate in 2024, so it's hard to see how that is the media playing that out. anderson. >> we appreciate it. up next we take you to eastern ukraine where a russian missile hit a restaurant packed with customers, of what ukraine's president is saying about the deadly strike. coming up.
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tonight, cnn exclusive reporting. two planes linked to prigozhin are spotted in satellite images at the belarusian air pace near minsk. both planes landed there this morning. but you sleep. i'm in the wagner boss arrived there today but prigozhin's own plane has not been seen since saturday. more now from cnn's ben wedeman in east ukraine. >> for delays from kramatorsk wayward later today? >> basically, anderson they are still digging through the rubble looking for survivors. the numbers that we have now are four dead. including a teenage girl. and 47 wounded. among those wounded. we must warn you. this is graphic video. we can't verify. it's video of an eight month old baby who was in the restaurant injured. we understand the baby was taken to the kramatorsk
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hospital. the condition isn't too bad. gives us an indication. strike happened at 7:32 in the evening. it was full of people. we understand there might have even have been a party in the basement. so, it was a scene of utter pandemonium. and they're basically working around the clock, trying to find more people, because they believe there are many more people under the rubble. anderson. >> and, can you talk a little bit more about the area that was. it i mean, clearly from what we're seeing, it's a civilian, or not a military. one >> yeah, it's basically the middle of the city. this is a restaurant called -- . very popular, and i will tell you, we were having lunch there yesterday, full of people. yes, there were soldiers, there are civilians, there were children. there were all sorts of people, it's a very busy, very popular
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place. and in that area, there is a post office, there is a jewelry store around the corner. one of the kramatrosk biggest supermarket is just a few minutes down the block. so this is a mixture of stores, restaurants, residential buildings. there is nothing military in that area. it is completely, it would seem completely random. but the fact that it's popular with soldiers, makes you wonder. now, this evening, president zelenskyy in his nightly address, said he was struck by an s 300 missile. that's a russian missile normally used, as a surface to air missile. they are using it frequently, however, to target cities and towns near the front line. it's not particularly precise, so this may have been simply a random missile fired into a very busy center of a civilian city, anderson. >> ben wedeman, i appreciate reporting, thank you. a footnote to ben's report, the man we showed on the ground in the video, we don't yet know the extent of his injuries or what happened to him. up next, back to our top story.
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the fourth president, cottontail talking about the classified document. it is the latest recording of him that has people talking, the tales of the many tapes coming up. listen up, you dogs with allergic itch! today's talking lesson is just one word: apoquel. ap--o--quel. ♪ you can't teach your itchy dog to talk... ...so, talk to your vet about apoquel. apoquel is for the control of allergic itch in dogs. do not use apoquel in dogs with serious infections. apoquel may increase the chances of developing serious infections... ...and may cause existing parasitic skin infections or pre-existing cancers to worsen. new neoplasias have been observed. i'm glad we speak the same language. ask your vet for apoquel. ♪
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the audio recording exclusively obtained by cnn on president trump boasting about a secret document he wasn't allowed to keep or share with those without proper security clearances just one of many recordings of him that made headlines over the years. when we look at the tapes, here is our randi kaye. >> -- donald trump, caught on tape saying crude things about women in 2005, during an interview of access hollywood. broadcast just weeks before election day in 2016. -- grab him by the -- i'll do anything -- >> days after the recording surfaced, trump, then the republican presidential nominee, apologized. though the new york times later reported, trump told a
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republican senator, that he wanted to investigate the recording, because quote, we don't think that was my voice. also before the 2016 election, trump was recorded in his office by his that lawyer, michael cohen. the two were discussing how they would buy the rights to former play boy playmates karen mcdougal's story. she claimed she and trump had an affair, which ended in 2007. trump has denied the affair, but listen to him on tape. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info, regarding our friend david. i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up, with funding, yes. >> before election day, trump's friend david pecker, whose company published the national enquirer, paid macdougall $150,000 to the rights to her story. and then buried it, in what's known as a catch and kill scheme. months before the 2020 election, president trump was recorded on a phone call with ukrainian president volodymyr zelinskyy. according to a white house transcript, trump pressured zelenskyy by asking him to
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investigate trump's 2020 opponent, joe biden, as well as biden's son hunter. who once did business in ukraine. later, trump repeatedly referred to as the call, like this. >> we had a perfect phone call with the president of ukraine. >> a whistleblower inside the white house, shared details of the call with members of the intelligence community. congress investigated, in the end, that recording led to trump's first impeachment. trump denied any long wrongdoing. in 2020, journalist bob woodward recorded interviews with trump for his book. those interviews, later made public, reveal that trump knew it for months how dangerous the coronavirus, was and how it spread, but intentionally conceal that from the public. >> i want to always play it down. i still like laying it down. >> yes. >> because i don't want to create a panic. it goes through air ball, that's always top tougher than
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the touch. >> after the 2020 election, trump was recorded yet again. >> it's not possible to have lost georgia, it's not possible! what i heard it was close, i said there's no way! >> that's trump on the phone with georgia secretary brad raffensperger. trump called him following his loss in the 2020 election. >> i think it's pretty clear that, we won. we won very substantially, georgia. >> that wasn't true. trump lost georgia by 11,779 votes. on the recording, he has heard asking raffensperger to find enough votes to give trump a win. >> i just want to find, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> raffensperger didn't play ball. trump is now under investigation by george's fulton county district attorney, for his actions on the phone call in question. >> randi kaye, cnn. >> one late note on this latest
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tape, talking to a base -- on the way that new hampshire. the former president insisted that he was not showing off classified documents in the clip, quoting him now, i would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth. it was bravado. he wanted goes on to say, quote, i was talking, and just holding up papers and talk about them. but i had no documents, i didn't have any documents. that's his latest explanation. next, a blistering report by the department of justice, that answers the conspiracy theories about how jeffrey epstein died. details ahead. every day, more dog people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food.
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>> in four years after jeffrey epstein died by suicide in her jail cell. just as time released a report in the litany of failure says that led to epstein's death in 2019. after he was arrested on federal charges of sex trafficking of minors. including fuller to conduct, rounds wrongly giving him extra bad leanings. he used to hang himself. and failure to assign epstein a roommate after he was put on suicide watch. two guards on duty that night later admitted to falsifying records. the report found no evidence to suggest foul play. the news continues, cnn prime time with cancun starts right now. good evening.