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travel cahaos, wave after wave f flight cancellations and delays. stranded travelers before the busy july 4th weekend. ground stops in boston and new york adding to the ms. rid. what is causing all of this. donald trump has a new explanation after cnn obtained audio of him apparently showing off his secret pentagon document and admitting it was classified. expr special counsel jack smith is about to enter a new witness. the canadian wildfire smoke back in the united states. chicago and the midwest blanketed this morning. tens of millions of americans under air quality alert alerts. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts now. ♪ we begin this morning with major developments if one of several investigations facing former president trump. there are new signs that federal prosecutors are near charging

decisions in the 2020 election interference probe. special counsel jack smith's team will speak with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. this is their first time speaking to him. he is a republican who pushed back when trump famously demanded this. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> we also have exclusive new cnn reporting the fed investigators interviewed rudy giuliani as part of that investigation. multiple sources tell cnn that meeting took place in recent weeks but declined to say what investigators focused on in the interview of that comes as there are new developments in the classified documents case. president trump responding to that audio recording obtained by cnn. a tape he says is secret information. look at this.

hear the shuffling of the paper. the president now saying it was bravado and he did nothing wrong. >> there are a lot of developments. cnn senior legal analyst form federer prosecutor elie honig. start with the special counsel's probe into the january 6th investigation. not mar-a-lago documents, but january 6th. >> with all the focus on mar-a-lago, jack smith has another issue to deal with, the january 6th investigation. a couple of interesting and important developments. jack smith has spoken with rudy giuliani who was right in the center of it all. he stood in front of that crowd at the ellipse, exhorted them to trial by combat, part of the fake elector scheme. how do they see him? is he a target? usually if they were a target, is he a witness. we also are learning that later today jack smith will be speaking with brad raffensperger. of course he was on the receiving end of that infamous

phone call from donald trump on january 2nd last year. find 11,780 votes. my question for doj is what took so long? >> wouldn't you keep a big witness to the end? >> no, you want to get to people as soon as possible. maybe for trial if you are trying to be strategic. he testified publicly a year ago in the january 6th committee. he spoke to fani willis. doj is getting to him now. doj has gotten into the highest echelons of power. they have spoken with mike pence, mark meadows, pat cipollone, others. it looks like they are rounding out their investigation and moving towards the moment of thumbs up/thumbs down charging. >> what about mar-a-lago and the developments on those documents? >> of course, the big news is the audiotape that cnn has exclusively obtained where donald trump is talking about documents at bedminster. he says two sentences the whole case. this is secret information. look at this.

hard to square his new defenses. this was golf club plans or look at this. look at what? the other big developwalt thing. where is he? yesterday he had a travel issue, wasn't able to show up. they will arraign walt nauta next week july 6th. will he flip? he hasn't yet. i don't know that he has the right incentive to do that. the next court appearance for the lawyers, not donald trump, is going to be july 14th. they will talk about discovery, turkey over the information. then doj interestingly the judge initially set the trial date for august. that was a place holder. doj is saying we like trial in december. >> and what the state investigations? >> these are rolling on, too. let's not forget at the state. donald trump has indicted by the manhattan d.a. they have a trial date set for

march moo april of 2024 rand the fulton county d.a. told us be on high alert august into september. that's when the next grand jury comes in and i think we will here that she is indicting, too, later this summer. a lot going on. >> thank you for walking through it with us. >> we want to bring in the panel. i want to start with kind of the shifting explanations from the former president. he did a print interview saying this was in part bravado. he was just kind of talking -- also said this to fox news. take a listen. >> the voice was fine. what did i say wrong in the recordings? i didn't see the recording. i did nothing wrong. we had a lot of papers, a lot of -- stacked up. in fact, you could hear the russell of the paper and nobody said i did anything wrong other

than the news, which of course is fox, too. >> this is a disaster for the president. if you are the legal team you must be losing sleep. anything more definitive, admitting to what he did here. regardless if he flashed the papers, he acknowledged the exist of the classified information. talked about the contents of it to people who don't have the necessary clearances. the highest level of classification is things like war plans because if the iranian government knew where we could be striking that could put any u.s. troops at risk. we know that they have targeted americans on our soil. so this is -- i mean, this violates the most basic protocols you would follow for protecting classified information. if an average citizen did this they would be in jail probably for ten years. >> the scope of challenges he is under now. as we keep getting new pieces of

information, not only encloses that circle around him, but i think puts him in a kind of personal vice. he seems like a candidate who is feeling pressure, frankly. when i hear that bravado statement, very un-donald trump, right, to acknowledge those things. so i think that the reality of even some form of accountability may not be changing his poll numbers, less likely to be a republican anonymous, is that weighing on him and the trump bravado in the way we expected. that speaks to the reality of these legal challenges closing on him. people who follow it like me closely, even when -- and elie takes us through that step by step, i feel like i am taking back by the breadth of what he is under. >> there is a vulnerability in the daily sometimes contradictory explanations. good rule of thumb, one excuse. just offer one. if you offer multiple excuses it looks desperate and they are not

going to jibe with one another. >> the two federal probes that jack smith is spearheading the mar-a-lago documents versus january 6th which we don't know which way that's going to go, which is more difficult for jack smith to successfully prosecute? >> january 6th by far. i think the stakes are higher. if you look at mar-a-lago, it's almost like just a point and click. here is the law. here are the facts. here is the evidence. it just matches up. black and white. it's what prosecutors love. january 6th is going to be difficult if he charges it to get conviction. intent. first amendment, is it protected political speech. that is one of the most important questions we need to watch in the coming weeks. is jack smith willing to take that leap? will merrick garland back him up which is necessary tore a charge? >> going back to your point, does the weight of everything that's on the former president right now eventually have a

political effect? >> certainly has one in the general election. every objective number tells us we should not overdo this, right. most americans think getting criminally indict sd a bad thing for donald trump. made him toxic with independents, swing voters made it look difficult but it's the s short-term question that has not kind of shifted for him. that's the kind of dual premise he is under here. we know that it is having an effect and it is the reason that he might be the only republican who would lose to a joe biden even if joe biden might be the only type of democrat who donald trump could beat too. >> almost as if kevin mccarthy had a good point before he walked -- >> exactly. >> thank you. stick around. >> the death toll rising in a major city in eastern ukraine. at least ten people are dead this morning. at least 61 injured after a russian missile hit the center of in a populated area packed

with civilians. three victims are children, including these 14-year-old twin sisters. an important reminder of civilians being targeted again and again. >> reporter: that's right. we are in front of this restaurant. day before yesterday, we were having lunch here, the cnn crew, and it was very popular with civilians, with soldiers. in fact, the restaurant expanded the last few months because so many people have returned to cr kremlin /* the area. the front is only about 30 miles from here. in fact, you can hear perhaps the siren is going off yet again. what we've learned is that the missile that hit this location was a hypersonic ballistic missile which is very difficult

for radar to detect let alone for air defenses to take down. as you mentioned, of course, ten people so far were killed in this strike. among them, a 17-year-old girl and swin 14-year-old sisters. more than 60 injured. one of them an 8-month-old baby. we spoke to some of the rescue workers who are still digging in the ruins. they told that us that believe there are probably still more bodies inside, but it's very unlikely there are still survivors under the rubble. poppy. >> ben wedeman, thank you for the reporting. also happening today, president biden set to deliver a speech on his economic plan as he pushes for what his team called bidenomics. the white house budget director joins us next. a look at chicago as haze

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so we're changing. we decided to replace this theory with what the president now calls bidenomics. i don't know what the hell that is. but it's working. let me tell you what it's about. building an economy from the bottom up in the middle out, not the top down. >> that's president biden there joking about bidenomics, a term that's now at the heart of his economic message. the president today will deliver a cornerstone major speech on bidenomics. branding the economy with biden's name. not without political risk.

the white house believes that focusing on the economy will help him win a second term. they believe that they have a message to deliver despite high inflation and rising interest rates. joining us to talk about that message, white house budget director director direct. i want to talk about the idea of what is bidenomics. i covered you guys closely on the economic side over the course of the last two plus years. there are a lot of numbers you can point to that tell a story of success. that is not a story received by the american people. why? >> phil, this isn't new. you have heard a lot of this before. when the president talks about stopping banks, apartments, concerts, promoters from charging hidden fees to customers, when he says to people like my grandmother you can buy hearing aids over the counter for hundreds of dollars instead of thousands through your insurance, that's bidenomics.

growing the middle class in this country, that's where our strength is. we try to trickle down. we tried top down. guess what? it didn't reach regular folks. so this president, everything we have done, the three budgets i have worked with to help him put out, it is a tore tenant. grow the middle class. middle out, bottom up. that's how we approach the economy and it's working. over 13 million jobs added. >> what you were pointing out i think gets an interesting point. i think "the wall street journal" had an interesting piece this morning. the effects on voters' lives are small, whereas the effects of inflation and unemployment are nor tangible to some degree. the unemployment rate is one any president would want to talk about often. inflation is clearly decelerated over the last several months on a consistent basis. if you look at the latest cnn poll about how the president is

handling the economy, 34% approve. current economic conditions 24% say good. is there concern that those bigger macro issues are crowd outs what you are talking about, that you think matters to regular people? >> phil, on inflation, you say a number of months it's come down. as a reminder, 11 months of t deceleration. we are moving in the right direction. more than moving in the right direction. we have more to do always to bring down costs, but that's why we work hard with democrats in congress to pass the inflation reduction act. those individual pieces are absolutely positive. you ask americans should we rebuild our infrastructure? absolutely. this president worked with republicans to get that done. do something about energy costs in the country. do something about prescription drug costs in the country. this president worked with democrats to get something done on that. you know this. it takes a while to implement

lan land landmark pieces of legislation. that's what we are focused on. implement, implement, implement. get dollars into communities to not only rebuild, but to make sure we bring manufacturing back to the country, which we have already added 800,000 jobs and have good-paying jobs for americans. >> that's a great point because i remember the scale of the legislative accomplishments in the first two years don't have much precedent in the last several decades, if any at all. in the midterm elections the president on the campaign trail saying people hadn't taken effect yet. the first cabinet meeting he had of 2023 you were sitting there wh where he was talking about we have to show people what this actually is. why aren't people feel -- you have been doing that. you had projects rolling out. you had $40 billion in broadband coming out yesterday. why is it not connecting?

>> what i will say what people feel immediately. if you were sitting in 2020 and you were in a down like the one i grew up in south louisiana, without a job, not knowing when the pandemic would end, not seeing the progress from your government to get back working and you did not know what was gonna happen to your family and you're one of those 13 million who gotten a job, you seen wages go up in this country, you have felt that meetly. that is a game changer in your family. now, what we're going to see the next two years, you're right, we are going to see drug costs come down when the government implements this bill the president worked on. we are going to see more infrastructure projects work, come out. you have seen announcements. look this week. we announced the broadband program, $42 million to get americans hook. internet is not a luxury. it's a necessity. try having school-age kids.

they need it for school. we just announced that. those kinds of things are starting to get into the bloodstream and we are going to work as hard as we can to do make sure it gets to all americans, not just a few in this country. >> i am going to ask you a political question, which i know you don't really play in that ball game much. you're the walk over on -- house appropriations committee to some agree. it's important in the sense of making bidenomics, making the economy a cornerstone as the president starts to really engage in the re-election campaign, there is risk there, right? you defied every projection of economists over the course of the last several months. brian moynihan, the bank of america ceo said he expects a mild recession at the start of next year. is there risk when you look at the economy of pinning too much to this what you think is a good story, something having an

effect given the economy isn't always predictable? >> i love being called a budget nerd. that's what i do. i am not on the political side. i am on the economics team. we are the little underdog that could. this president is always undervalued. he came in, got the pandemic under control and that was not by accident what he did. and you wouldn't see the 13 million people back at work and unemployment numbers as you pointed out most presidents would have loved to have and the legislative accomplishments that this president has overseen in my 20 years, i have never seen before. so we'll put that record against anyone and we'll continue to be undervalued and we will continue to overperform. >> i know you are not at the cea but you have -- with the leaders once a week or twice a week or at least used to. do you see a mild recession as possible the first part of next year? >> not when you see jobs numbers like this. not when you see wage growth like this. that is just not consistent with

a recession. you know, for two years i have been asked the same question or told that a recession is coming and we continue to see a strong labor market in this country. and so we continue to point out that we have never been in a recession with a job market, with a labor statistics like we have seen, and those two things just don't go together. >> all right. shalanda young, appreciate your time. >> thanks, phil. >> interesting to see that the white house doesn't see a recession coming and most of the bankers do. >> yeah, no, it's the open question, right? to the white house credit, most bankers have been calling for a recession for the last year and they have been wrong throughout and i think that's why they feel more confident that kind of the soft landing idea is plausible. but we will have to see. >> i like having two together at

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trump is countersuing e. jean carroll. his claim is also for defamation after a jury recently found that he sexually abused the former columnist and defamed her. trump says carroll defamed him when she appeared on cnn after the jury awarded her $5 million in damages. >> yeah, so another round of litigation in this seemingly never-ending storyline. so trump filed a counterclaim last night stating that e. jean carroll defamed him when she appeared on this program and spoke to you. that was one day ever the jury found that carroll -- excuse me, trump was libel for sexually

abusing carroll and defaming her when he denied her claims of rape. here's what she said. let's take a listen and we can talk about it. >> but i wonder what went through your head when you heard that? >> well, i immediately say in my head, oh, yes, you did, oh, yes, you did. see, that's my response. >> look, new york law on sexual crimes is complicated a and it's probably not appropriate for morning viewers. the truth of the matter is, if it's sexual abuse, which he was found guilty of, is a very, very serious offense. >> right. so it's carroll's statements here he is saying is defamatory. this is a question for a judge possibly, a jury to decide. the issue here when the jury was give this case, they were given a couple of options under the statute for battery, which is what she sued for and there are different legal standards, one for rape, one for sexual abuse and the jury checked the box for sexual abuse.

you remember just a day after this, trump was on the cnn town hall and he again repeated his statements that he didn't rape carroll and he has been making this argument over the verdict because they didn't find he raped carroll that he should get a new trial, that, you know, this is a defamatory claim. she is saying because he repeated the same statements, she wants more in punitive damages for the 2019 lawsuit and the judge has agreed to let her amend that lawsuit to seek as much as $10 million in punitive damages if that case moves forward. it's a complicated circular argument here, but it's just yet another step in this litigation over carroll's claims that trump raped her and his denials of t. again a reminder that he was found libel for sexual abuse and defamation by that jury here in new york. thank you. all right. another legal case this morning, the man in new york accused of

choking a homeless man to death on the subuway is set to appear in court. last month witnesses said the stream performer jordan neely boarded a subway train and was acting erratically saying he didn't care if he died. pe penny put neely into a chokehold. penny died. he felt penny posed a threat to the crowd on the subway car. omar, you have been covering the case from the beginning. what are we expecting from today's hearing? >> yeah, phil. this will be the first time daniel penny is in front of a judge after a garage indicted him on second-degree manslaughter charges for the killing of jordan neely. now, lawyers for penny say they are confident that any jury trial would show that penny's actions fully justified. we have been getting a clifrms in their defense. penny said he needed to act that day to save not just himself and

others, but he is also saying that you were faced with a similar situation, he would act in a similar way or take action. take a listen to some more of what he said. >> i knew i had to act and i acted in a way that would protect the other passengers, protect myself, and protect mr. neely. i used this hold to restrain him. i didn't want to be put in that situation but i couldn't sit still and let him carry out these threats. >> reporter: now, as you could imagine, attorneys for jordan neely's family disagree with that characterization. they say the indict was the right result and they say that the grand jury's decision tells our city and nation that no one is above the law no matter how much money they raise, affiliations they claim and distorted stories they tell in interviews. of course, this goes back to may 1 when witnesses said jordan neely, who entered a new york subway and was acting

erratically as one witness described it saying he was hungry, thirsty, he didn't care if he died, and a witness said he hadn't actually attacked anyone despite passengers appearing to be uncomfortable, it was in those moments or shortly after that penny put jordan neely in a minutes-long chokehold. so what passengers felt in those moments leading up to the chokehold is what is going to be critical in this case. another critical part is what many protesters have argued no matter what perceived threats may have happened leading up to this, this shouldn't have ended in death. phil. >> omar, thanks. another crushing wave of flight delays and cancellations today. some people have already been stranded for days all ahead of the busy july 4th weekend. and thick smoke from canadian wildfires has returned to the u.s. we will break down how climate change is impacting not only our health, but our wallets.

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flight delays and cancellations because of more severe weather and staffing shortages, thunderstorms forced a ground stop at boston logan this morning, same thing, all three major new york city airports. 1,600 flights delayed or canceled today. at newark airport people have been sleeping on cots on the floor. >> there are people sleeping in cots. there are people like openly weeping at like cafe tables. >> a lot of kids. they didn't have no pampers. like i said, long lines. kids crying, sleeping on the floor. old people, too. sleeping on the floor. >> elderly couples behind me, they can barely walk and now they are standing in lines for ten hours? >> pete is live at reagan national airport outside of d.c. good morning to you. you have a lot of flight cancellations there. is this just summer thunderstorms or more at play here? >> reporter: layer on layer of issues here, poppy. thunderstorms combined with the air traffic controller shortage

according to united's ceo scott kirby. already red here on the board here on the cancellations board at reagan national airport. i checked flightaware. 687 cancellations nationwide today. a thousand delays. the day is young. we are about a third of the way to what we saw yesterday. just want to give you a glimpse of how bad things were at the new york area airports last night. there were ground stops at all three airports last night, laguardia they put into place the ground stop, the faa says it was almost grid locked on the taxiways. no place to put planes on the ground. the cancellations, the worst airports today, look like yesterday. newark, laguardia, jfk, boston logan and chicago o'hare. although we will see today is really the test, if airlines can recover. the deck of cards came tumbling down starting saturday. that's when united airlines ceo scott kirby says the faa failed

us, he says, because they simply did not have enough controllers, air traffic controllers employed by the faa to handle all of the flights coming in to its huge hub in newark. so the big question here is whether or not the airlines can really pull this out of the dive as we go into the july 4th holiday. the numbers are already pretty big, and the tsa is anticipating 2.8 million people passing through airports on friday. that will likely be the highest number we have seen since air travel really started its downturn at the start of the pandemic. so really, really huge numbers coming. we will see if airlines can really make the test here. it's going to be a hard one for them. >> staying grounded for the next few weeks. thanks. all right. you are looking live at images across the country. notice the difference of what you are seeing on your screen on the left, that's detroit, very hazy, hard to see through. on your right, that's new york.

clear, blue skies for -- the smoke in detroit, like many others in the u.s., smoke from the canadian wildfires. new york was dealing with this a couple weeks ago putting 80 million americans under air quality alerts. >> the white house called this a reminder of the impacts of climate change. a problem not just americans are feeling and they are feeling it not just with their eyes but lungs and also their wallets. analysts say drought, record heat, extreme weather events impacting buying and spending habits. with us now two chiefs. chief business correspondent and anchor -- and chief climate correspondent. a more holistic look at this. bill, start us out. this is a severe economic toll from all of this, a financial toll? >> it ripples through in so many ways. the obvious ways the folks in louisiana or california seeing their property insurance skyrocket. the canarys in the climate coal

mine nationally. anything in your day, b blueberries on your cereal were pollinated by bees that spend their winters in florida. 2 billion were wiped out by hurricane ian. that's a cinch in the supply hose of our agriculture the grains in your cereal may be effected by the mississippi river which is becoming more predictable with every tenth of a degree in were warming, not enough water. the army corps of engineers is trying to keep up with the changes. you think about worker productivity. construction, for example, working in this heat. texas just lifted a mandatory law that gave water breaks every four hours. >> lifted it? >> yeah, greg abbott signed it now. so, you know, how do you survive in 122-degree temperatures if you are a roofer? that trickles through in little ways. lumber prices due toin

festations or forest fires. every aspect of our lives. i resisted a beet for a long time because i didn't want to be pigeonholed. when they wanted to create a climate beat, it's everything is affected by a liveable ecosystem that's horribly out of balance. >> at the bottom line of every story is money and how things cost more or it's harder to make a living. i was looking at features yesterday in houston of a highway that buckled and crews are already trying to repair it. but the loss productivity and wear and tear on the cars and what it does to actually have your infrastructure affected by these climate events is something that's quite interesting. in georgia the peaches need this chill down time. they have to have a number of hours per day at a temperature to ripen properly. they are not getting enough chill time. that's a problem in growing our food. so it's something that consumers feel that workers feel drivers, commuters feel is just a fascinating moment and when you

look at the statistics, the major climate and weather events, you know, we are on track here for another record year of major climate weather events and it's all very disruptive in that, that comes down to money in the end. >> if you have to build in a cooling budget in cities, right. when you think with dallas has not gone six days where it didn't dip below 8 # degrees fahrenheit overnight. the heat is not released overnight and those sort of concrete cities we built. so the public health aspect of this you have to think about in a whole new paradigm. >> can insurance markets exist in certain places going forward? the macro analysis that you are laying out, banks do, financial institutions have done tons of macro analysis on this. >> you see the big insurers stop writing new policies in some of these states, california in particular. they are not writing -- they are servicing existing clients but not writing new policies.

>> state farm. >> others as well. they simply can't see how the math works. >> it doesn't. >> in the end, right? >> right. >> we have -- and you talked about this. where we rebuild after we have -- we have disasters. i grew up on the mississippi river, by the way. flooding is a way of life. i have never seen the flooding events the past 15 years on the mississippi river for the rest of my life before that, you know. so there is a tipping point clearly, clearly, and the science anecdotally in climate and money and what we pay about it. >> as that plays out, think how that changes communities, right? once you have to assume your own risk for living where you want to live, only the rich folks will be -- and where is the support staff? where do the teachers and cops afford to live? >> guys, come back often. >> okay. >> thank you both very much. tributes and condolences pouring in for former new england patriots quarterback ryan mallett. he apparently drowned swimming off of beach in florida.

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installed before 2016 to put in -- this man chanting give us pizza or give us death. >> just like -- >> can't have a small business. can't have pizza. new york city is nothing without pizza. >> i totally agree. >> that is a demonstrably true statement. >> you are not a new yorker. >> i eat pizza here. >> how is the pizza in d.c. >> i'm not going to get into a food critique debate because i'm going to get myself in trouble. >> can we just acknowledge what a great day it is for the rats around city hall. >> pizza rats. >> romance, can you break through this for me? should somebody be so outraged that they're throwing good pizza over a fence. >> if you think new york city is going to take away your pizza oven, forget about it. that is not going to happen. what they're asking is that you serious consider adding a device that will reduce if you have one of these pizza ovens before

2016. there are they've been asking pizza owners, there is a scrubber, something you can do that can reduce the emissions. they're gist asking you to consider that. your coal-fired pizza oven pizza is not at risk in new york. our headline cnn business, don't worry, pizza heads, nyc is not coming for your pies. on the right there is an outrage machine about this that is very loosely based in fact. >> but if they will pay for the scrubber does it change the way your pizza tastes? >> this is much more about the people who live upstairs from a coal-fired pizza oven or wood fired who breathe that smoke than it is about climate change and regulation. >> if we need to come together on any issue, republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, we need to figure this out. if you are a new york city brick-fired oven pizza owner and feel overregulated, hop across the river to romance and me in new jersey, we will welcome you. >> chicago deep dish or new york thin crust, that's the real

debate. >> instead this is not happening in a vacuum, these types of issues popping up, the former president talking about washing machines. take a listen. >> now they want to take away your gas stoves. does anybody like gas better? you cook a lot more than i do. because i have a lot of friends that are really into the cooking thing and they say gas is better. but they want to take it away. they want to take away your washing machines and your dryers. they don't want to give you any water for the washing machine. >> this is happening over and over. you see people zero in on something specific and to the point it's not based in fact, often simply to drive that type of outrage. but just like the gas stove, folks aren't coming for the pizza oven but that's not going to stop the outrage machine from moving. as a chicagoan impartial to the way we do pizza around there. >> no way. >> as long as i get my plastic straws back, i think i will take it. >> i got one the other day and i felt guilty for using it and also i enjoyed the experience

more than the paper. bill, don't kill me. >> i will make the admission -- >> final word, because a lot of this is based on climate change. >> this is an idea of change is hard and what's more emotional than the way we cook our food and feed our families, we love the primalness of a crime, but there are better ways. >> a better future for our little ones. thank you all very much. it was fun. thanks for being with us, we will see you here tomorrow. cnn "news central" is next. ♪ it takes two to make a thing go right ♪ ♪ it takes two to make it outta sight ♪ ♪ one, two, get loose now ♪ ♪ it takes two to make a... ♪ stayay two nights and get a $ 5050 best western gift car. book now at bestwestern.com.

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