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stunning new reports this morning that the revolt in russia was designed to go much further to capture top -- [ no audio ] public right now. scorching temperatures putting millions of americans under alert. we're tracking the record-breaking heat that is bringing triple digit temperatures to several u.s. cities. >> and today, georgia's secretary of state and rudy giuliani, they take center stage. both speaking to federal investigators looking into donald trump's, forts to overturn the 2020 election results. i'm kate baldwin with john berman and sara sidner, this is "cnn news central." ♪ ♪ >> all right. we have new reports just out this morning about the russian revolt, about how high it was
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designed to go and about how expansive the goals really were. that plus president biden just spoke out about vladimir putin. let's listen to that. >> it's hard to tell, but including the war at home, and around the world, and it's not just -- it's japan. >> president biden how involved were you in your son's text message. >> no! >> do you think vladimir putin is weaker today than he was before all of those events? [ indiscernible question ] >> you heard president biden there, he did answer one question and said he was not there when hunter biden sent a whatsapp message that people are
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talking about. he also believes that vladimir putin is weaker today than he was last week and he is losing support at home and this comes as "the wall street journal" is reporting that yevgeny prigozhin captured the two leaders. cnn's nic paton walsh joins us from kyiv. if this is true, this would be an expansive plan from prigozhin that didn't obviously succeed. >> absolutely, and it does tally with some of the facts that we know of publicly. western officials with "the wall street journal," said that he attempted to capture shoigu and gerasimov, but eventually that plan was found out by russian domestic intelligence services
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and we do know publicly according to prigozhin, certainly and one of his many audio messages he released on friday, he claimed that shoigu from footage in the area late last week was down in the southern front area. we know according to prigozhin that shoigu fled rostov late on friday at about 9:00. so these tally, this part that we're hearing from "the wall street journal," that there was an attempt to capture shoigu, but there are also public remarks quoted in the journal report by the head of the national guard victor zalotov that the prigozhin camp had been leaking bits of information about some sort of mutiny between the 22nd and 25th. the journal suggests that that leaking caused prigozhin to bring his plans forward and it's important to bring all of this in context and this gives us two real pieces of information.
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prigozhin appeared to be en route to try to topple the entire putin administration and he scaled his plans radically on that highway and capturing two top brass would have been -- it does appear they had wind of this plan before it happened and why on earth were they not able to stop prigozhin in his tracks? did they really have information or potency domestically to be able to do that and the other more obvious thing is that we'll have western intelligence agencies having a field day right now because they'll put as much misinformation out there as they can to make russians in the top command doubt each other and turn on each other. >> in that vein, nic, there is a report in the new york times today that the top military general, not that one there, but another top military general knew about prigozhin's plans beforehand. what's the significance of that?
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>> yeah. general known as general armageddon for his tactics in syria, a pretty effective commander dismissed and replaced by putin with the chief of staff who prigozhin has been railing against and a man who prigozhin has been spoken of relatively complimentary. they knew about this plot beforehand, possible, you might think, but it does not really tally with the fact that we saw it on tv quite quickly, telling everyone to go home and telling wagner not to get involved in this. that's odd. some suggest in "the new york times" that his body language seemed he wasn't comfortable, and i can't imagine anyone being comfortable in that particular time and the air force did everything to resist wagner's advance. this is clearly, true or not, aimed to get russian generals to turn on each other and to make the job of ukraine's forces easier by sowing further
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disarray in russia's catastrophic invasion here. john? >> nick paton walsh in kyiv. keep us posted. sara? >> let's look at the bigger picture and what this could have meant for putin if prigozhin had been successful. dmitri alperavic joins us now. you just heard "the wall street journal" reporting what we were all talking about. i'm curious if you think this is intelligence trying to get into putin's head or if this is a possibility that there will be a much larger revolt here that just fell away? >> i think it's a little bit of both. i think "the wall street general" certainly tracks and we know shoigu was in the city of rostov and he fled hours before prigozhin's troops got there, but this was such a hair brained scheme from the start.
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even if prigozhin had succeeded and even if he had taken defense minister shoigu and chief of general staff garerasimov, and don't think putin would have fallen for that blackmail and i don't think it would have changed anything. >> i'm curious what you think about what will happen to prigozhin and anyone else that the fsb or that, you know, putin's close corners decide were involved in this? >> i think prigozhin is a very precarious situation. yes, he's exiled to belarus, and yes, putin promised him amnesty and the key thing is that the amnesty was for the mutiny and there are other charges that he could be brought on and putin alluded that he may have been stealing some of the money that from the state contracts for running wagner and catering to
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the russian military. he could be prosecuted for misappro misappropriation of funds and has the added benefit of being the truth. it doesn't even need to be made up and belarus is with russia, so he could still find himself in a russian jail. >> i'm curious how interesting you think it is because i find it fascinating when russia and putin talk about just how much money they have paid to prigozhin's wagner mercenaries. about a billion dollars, 86 billion rubles. when you hear that kind of number, why do you think that information is being put out now? >> i think putin is clearly livid. the one thing you cannot do to putin is be disloyal and this is the red line that prigozhin has crossed and i don't think he intended to and he received that wave by putin, so he is now trying to pay prigozhin and show just how disloyalty has been and he's gotten a billion dollars
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for wagner and on top of a billion dollars for catering meals to the russian military. he's gotten very, very rich off of these contracts and that's just in the last year so you can imagine how long it's been going on since early 2010, so he wants to show everyone that this is not what you are going to do if you're making money off of me, you better not be disloyal. >> russia is known for poisoning people and throwing people out of windows or just arresting you or putting you in a work camp for the rest of your life. i do want to ask you one thing about neighboring country belarus. we heard from president viktor lukashenko. what do you think he is up to? he was basically bragging about his ability to get prigozhin to come to belarus and to stop this all from happening. what's he up to now? is he trying to show his prowess or is he always going to be a putin puppet? >> lukashenko has had an amazing
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month, one of the best months he's ever had in his ruling of belarus because remember, earlier this month he had received tactical nuclear weapons from russia and they're still placed in belarus and still maintained by russian forces there and he's shown how he is a peacemaker and resolution and now he believes that putin also owes him for saving him effectively by for this march on moscow. he's relishing the spotlight and the reputation he has. >> when it comes to politics, favors are never free. thank you so much. dmitri alperavitch. kate? >> the death toll in ukraine is rising after a russian missile strike in the eastern city of kramatorsk. dozens killed. showing you the scenes here, this is as rescuers were trying to move rubble around in hopes
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of finding survivors after the strikes. officials say this area was just packed with people, a restaurant, a popular shopping mall, shopping area, apartment buildings all were hit. three of the victims killed were kids including twin sisters and you see them here. yulia and ana. they were supposed to turn 15 years old in a couple of months and this is a picture as they were recently celebrating at their school. cnn's ben wedeman is live at the scene in eastern ukraine. ben, what have you been seeing there? you can see it behind you. what are you hearing from people, as well? >> kate, within the last hour, we watched as rescue workers brought out a black body bag. we understand that he was a worker in the kitchen. they found his body crushed under a refrigerator, and it does appear the missile that hit the restaurant hit directly on the kitchen of the restaurant.
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we understand that there are still several workers from the restaurant who are still unaccounted for. so i guess we can say that the death toll is now at least seven, and also around us are some relatives who are waiting for news of they're hoping for people who survived this blast and rescue workers are telling us it's highly unlikely, and the missile that hit the restaurant is known as an iscander and it's a hyperson iqbalistic missile that the russians have been using throughout this war and it has a very large payload and it is very accurate. for the people in the city that has been repeatedly struck since the war began, this is just another blow to their lives.
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>> translator: i ran here after the explosion. i lease and run a cafe here. everything has been blown there. there is nothing. no windows, no doors, that is what i see. destruction everywhere. it is fear, horror, 21st century. i do not even know how to describe it. my son was killed in the war and now this. >> and of course, the best way to describe it is perhaps what we heard from president volodymyr zelenskyy last night in his national address. he called it a manifestation of terror. kate? >> thanks so much, ben, for being there and thanks for bringing that us to. john? >> major travel headaches already under way ahead of oa bg holiday weekend and thousands of delays and cancellations at some of the country's busiest airports and new developments in the investigation surrounding donald trump. cnn has exclusively learned that
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in the audio that he did nothing wrong in the first response and then argued that he had a let of papers on his desk and copies of plans. let's listen to what he initially said in his response. it was fine. what did i say wrong in those recordings? all i know is i did nothing wrong. we had a lot of papers and a lot stacked up, in fact, you can hear the russell of the paper and nobody said i did anything wrong and other than that was fox, too. i had a desk of lots of papers,
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mostly newspaper articles, copies of magazines and copies of different plans. >> so, john, we did reach out to the trump campaign and asked him what was he referring to when he said copies of different plans because the notable thing about that is we know that prosecutors asked not only for the original documents that may have been in donald trump's possession, but also copies of those documents and the trump campaign told us that they believed they were political plans, but then later when donald trump was on his plane traveling from new hampshire, leaving his campaign stop he told reporters that he was referring to building plans and plans for a golf course and then he added that there was no document, and so it's just very interesting to points out because as we've been covering this for weeks now and after the news of the indictment, he's had different responses to what exactly had happened. i remember when i was covering him following his arraignment in florida following his bedminster
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golf club that essentially he was entitled to taking documents with him and he later told fox news and reporters yesterday that he didn't have documents at all. this is something that prosecutors are tracking very closely and seeing how he's responding to this and using it to determine the intent that may have been there when he was -- if he had these classified documents, john. >> alayna treene, thank you very much. also new this morning cnn has learned that rudy giuliani, trump's former attorney, has been interviewed by federal investigators. this is part of the special counsel's investigation into trump's, fo efforts to overturn 2020 election. the special counsel is set to interview raffensperger. joining me is nick akreman, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and former watergate prosecutor. let's start with rudy giuliani has spoken to investigators in
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the election probe, if i want to shorthand it that way. cnn's reporting as my colleagues say that some of the grand jury questioning in that investigation has centered on the actions of people around donald trump, not just donald trump and that includes rudy giuliani. so him going into to speak to investigators now says what to you? >> it says to me that he is certainly a subject of the investigation, if not a target at this point. he was there with donald trump on january 6th at the ellipse. he was dealing with people in the war room that steve bannon was in charge of at the willard hotel where roger stone appeared where general flynn appeared and basically all of the people that were there were either people who donald trump had given pardons to or people who asked for pardons and these were people like stone and flynn who were dealing with the oath keepers, the proud boys and of course, the justice department is going to be interested in
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getting to the bottom of what giuliani's role was in this. certainly, he was also out there with the fake electors and he was dealing with georgia legislators and other legislators trying to get state legislatures in the battleground states to essentially change the vote for donald trump from joe biden. so i don't think he could have talked too much. i think whatever he said would be used against him. he went in with a lawyer and my sense is that he was very careful about what he said and i would bet anything that most of the talking was done by his lawyer. >> on the classified documents case, the reaction from donald trump now as john berman was just discussing is that he maintains now that he's done nothing wrong even after this audio recording has come out. >> this kind of gets to -- my question is on the narrative front. we know prosecutors are going to look at everything and every statement that's made publicly and privately and had access to,
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but what is the narrative that donald trump and his legal team may be trying to paint around all of this. >> i don't think it's much of a narrative at all. i mean, it's all overboards. the idea he did nothing wrong when he bankly confesses on tape that he has a top secret document, that he shouldn't have it, that he could have classified it when he was president, but he didn't. he's telling people this is off the record. there's no such thing as providing classified information off the record. even his own attorney general said that based on this tape he is toast. personally, i think he's burnt toast. i don't see how he gets out from underneath this at all? really? >> there's no defense to it. >> that audio recording that we're talking about is from a meeting at bedminster, his property in new jersey. "the new york times" has more reporting about that property and it said investigators considered -- seeking a search warrant for it and here's part
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of their reporting. in it, it says investigators were concerned that more documents were stashed at the club and the only way to account for them was to search the property. the justice department lacked probable cause to obtain a warrant from a judge. you think this is significant why? >> yeah. it's significant because they didn't have probable cause. when you have probable cause, it has to be current. it can't be something stale. i've done 50, 60 search warrantses as a prosecutor and the big hurdle also is having current information that the evidence of the crime exists on the property, and here it was like a year before the search at mar-a-lago that they knew that he had this document relating to iran, that he had a map that he showed to people, but there was no current information that it existed at that time when they did the search warnt at mar-a-lago. so i would bet dollars to doughnuts that there are lots of
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classified documents still at bedminster. the problem is that there is no probable cause that the government can come up with. there's no insider like there was at mar-a-lago who basically laid out for them exactly what happened with the documents. >> that's interesting. another wrinkle in this. we'll see where this goes now. good to see you, nick. sara? >> moments ago, cnn learned the speaker of the house kevin mccarthy called and apologized to donald trump begging forgiveness. why he says he misspoke when talking about trump's chances in 2024. and nearly 90 million people are under excessive heat warnings, watches and advisories today. how hot might it get? we'll explain coming up. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding
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all right. this just coming into cnn. house speaker kevin mccarthy called donald trump on tuesday and apologized after he questioned whether trump is the strongest candidate in the republican race for president. here are those original comments on cnbc yesterday. >> can he win an election? >> yeah, he can. >> you think he can. the question is is he the strongest to win the election? i don't know that answer. >> he doesn't know. he apologized for saying it.
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cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox is here with more on this. what more are you learning? this is an interesting about face. he didn't really say anything, and he said i don't know and i guess that upset donald trump. >> yeah. a day of cleanup yesterday for house speaker kevin mccarthy. he held a call, called the former president yesterday to apologize according to new reporting from our colleagues ma malani zanona and kristen holmes. he told the former president he misspoke and blamed the reporters for taking the comments out of context according to mckarthy and that isn't where it ended, sara. he had an exclusive interview with breitbart news to try to talk more about why he believed donald trump was the strongest candidate to beat joe biden. later, his campaign sent out a fund-raising e-mail saying that donald trump was stronger than ever. this just goes to show you that kevin mccarthy knows that his right flank is so important for
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him to hold on to his speakership. he cannot anger people in his conference who are getting behind the former president, who are fervently behind him at all times no matter what that means in term of defending donald trump and that is why kevin mccarthy went out of his way yesterday to go ahead and apologize to the former president and then in subsequent interviews make it clear that he does believe donald trump could be a strong contender to beat joe biden in the 2024 presidential election. sara? >> politics also perilous, lauren fox, thank you very much for that reporting. john? >> this morning air quality alerts in effect for more than 80 million americans. the alerts that are impacting areas from the northwest to the northeast are from smoke from the canadian wildfires and people are being advised to stay indoors or wear n9 5 masks when
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outside. in minneapolis, the sky very, very hazy. canada is enduring its worst fire season on record. today alone more than 200 fires are burning out of control. separate from that, nearly 90 million people from california to florida are under heat alerts or advisories today. nashville, memphis, dallas, new orleans. they could see their heat indexes reach 115 degree which, kate, i am told, very hot. >> add a second very. officials in texas say it has been so hot that demand for energy hit an all-time record. cnn's rosa flores is in houston. with these temperatures hitting records and spiking, that also means energy prices are spiking, as well. what are you learning? >> and about 100 times the price. 100 times the cost, kate. here's what we know. i talked to the expert that predicted the power failure back
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in 2021 here in the state of texas and here's how he explained it. take a look at this map of texas. you see it's covered in red. what that means is that this was the price of power last week when we saw those temperatures soar and that means that the price was at $5,000 per megawatt hour. this expert says that the cost of generating this power is about 40 to $50 per megawatt hour. you do the math and that's about 100 times the cost. now all of this impacts consumers. here's how. take a listen. >> they may see it in the next bill as a surcharge, a weather-related and grid-related surcharge coming down from ercot and they will certainly see it in higher rates reflected for next year simply because this is something the markets experience. >> now last week when there was
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this spike in temperatures and the spike in demand ercot, the operator of the power grid here in the state of texas asked people to conserve power. now if you're like me, you're probably thinking, okay, wait a minute. ercot is saying everything is going to be fine in the grid in texas, but why are prices soaring so much? well, here is what ed hirs, that expert explained to me and bear with me for just a second when explaining this, he explained that when demand for power increases in the state of texas because the temperatures spike, he says that the supply that is counted is only the supply from the generators that are generating power at that point in time. now here's the kicker. there is a sideline of power that is not included in supply. let me say that one more time, there is power on the side lines that is not counted as supply
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and kate, here's the kick. once the price spikes, then they bring in that supply into the total supply for power in the state of texas, but of course, at a much higher price. so you put that sideline power and the rolling blackouts and that's how texas manages its power and they'll tell you everything is going to be fine. yeah, but it's going to cost you a little more. kate? >> and it could cost a lot more especially when you look at this is what the temperatures could feel like today in some of these areas which is just wild, absolutely bananas. good to see you, rosa. thank you very much for doing that for us. >> sara? >> hallelujah for air-conditioning. the supreme court could be on the verge of overturning affirmative action in college admissions. coming up, we'll talk to an expert how two decisions can up-end the nearly 50-year precedent and a river of mud rushing into a town in china and coming up the search and rescue
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we're tracking from around the world this hour. four people have died and three remain missing from landslides in southwestern china. this happened tuesday. just look at this. state media reports sudden rainstorms and flash floods triggered two big landslides early in the morning. nearly 1,000 people were relocated as search and rescue efforts continued and heavy
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rain, unfortunately, is in the forecast to continue today. so the pga tour now reassuring players that they will have a voice in the controversial new partnership with liv golf which is owned by the saudi public investment fund. a statement was issued by the pga's policy board after they met tuesday adding to the circus around this new controversial deal, the justice department is going to be investigating the partnership over antitrust concerns according to "the wall street journal". a temporary cease-fire between two military groups in sudan appears to have ended with reports of renewed violence near khartoum in the western part of the country yesterday. that was the latest cease-fire agreement in this ongoing violent conflict between two sudanese paramilitary groups that forced staff to evacuate in april. it showed nearly 2.8 million people have now fled the violence which is in its 11th week. john? >> kate, with the month of june
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coming to a close we are waiting for the supreme court to release some of the biggest decisions of the term. those final cases cover contentious issues from gay rights to student loan forgiveness to affirmative action. now on that last issue, the court is considering whether colleges can continue to take race into consideration as a factor in admissions. with us now is tony chen. he's an associate professor at northwestern university. important to mention he also signed an amicus brief in one of the cases before the court. professor, i want to establish what this is and is not about first -- i think we just lost the professor tony chen here. if you're still with me. >> i am here. >> this is not about quotas. the supreme court ruled that quotas are unconstitutional with the case in the 1970s. this is about using race as a packer in admissions, what exactly does that mean? >> well, what that means is that, as you said, race quotas
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are not permitted under the u.s. constitution, and schools like harvard and unc which are involved in these cases before the supreme court must look at race as one of many factors when considering the applications of folks wanting to get into school and they can't weigh race in a mechanical way giving it the same weight every single time. they have to look at it in a flexible manner. so race is just one of many factors that go into the decision making process. >> they can look at race when they want to build their student bodies if they want to, if they want it to be a diverse student body. what would it mean if they can't consider race when they're building their student population? >> that's right. so if the supreme court decides to get rid of affirmative action, making it unconstitutional to practice, then schools will have to turn to what are called race neutral alternatives. these are different measures,
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different characteristics of applicants like their income level or the composition of their school or the zip code of their school they went to to use those factors as a proxy, as they were for race. >> they'll still be able to look at geography and they'll still be able to look at income. will they still be able to look at legacy if you're lucky enough to have a grandparent, a great-grandparent that went to that school. that will still be allowed, but race won't? [ no audio ] . >> all right. he appears to be frozen right now. let me see if we get the professor back. hang on one second. professor chen is back. >> i was asking about other considerations schools will still be able to make like geography, like income and legacy. legacy still allowed purr your d dad or mom, you can still get into the college, but race no? >> well, i suppose that we would
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have to look at what the supreme court says, but what's being argued in these cases by the plaintiffs is questions about race, not about legacy, so -- >> and finally, professor, can you explain the connection to asian-americans in these cases. how has the connection been presented here? >> yes. it's interesting how asian-americans came into the legal process on this. it wasn't as though there was an individual asian-american who had a bad experience with an admissions process that decided to sue and wound up a plaintiff in one of these cases. these cases are brought by a membership organization called student for fair admissions which is led by ed plum who has made it his life's work to eradicate racial considerations from america and public policy. it is no accident why asian-americans were selected as it were, as a group, for involvement in the litigation
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process. they are a pretty ideologically appealing group for anyone involved in affirmitive action even though there's been anti-asian hate in the last three or four years expectations are thought as a model minority. they're thought of as folks who >> we lost the connection one last time and we are appreciative of professor tony chen for helping us understand. we do expect the court to make a ruling on affirmative action in the coming days. >> a lot of people will be watching for that. all right. florida governor ron desantis calls it the most ambitious anti-illegal immigration in the country. the law set to take place this weekend is facing fierce backlash. we will take you live to the protests next. s say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪
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a new immigration law is set to take effect in florida this weekend. governor ron desantis calls it the anti-illegal immigration law in the country. sb-1718 as it's known will deter undocumented employees from working in the state and right now protesters are rallying in opposition to the matter. cnn's nick valencia is joining us now. [ no audio ] to one of the places where you have thousands of migrants who picked the fruit and the vegetables for the rest of the country. >> well, that's right, sara.
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the main message is that immigrants are a pillar to the united states and add tremendous value here to the state of florida. what you're looking at here is the collection of opponents to this law that goes into effect on sunday and opponents of this law, this proposed law, they call it racist saying it doesn't just target undocumented immigrant, but also those who knowingly help transport them into the state and offer them jobs under this law could face up to a $10,000 fine. you're looking at community activists, undocumented workers, a collection of business owners and we are joined by one of the organizers, elise mendes zamora. tell us what you hope to accomplish. >> we hope to show that this is the real florida. florida is a home of immigrants. florida is a home of diverse people who make this state what it is. we are the backbone of the state. >> just very quickly, responding to the sponsor of this bill, he says that this is a reaction to controlling the out-of-control situation at the border, that this is to safeguard florida residents and to put floridians
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first. how do you react to that? >> we know that the numbers after title 42 have fallen and that is a lie and our representatives have fallen for that lie. instead of focusing on the real issues like the housing crisis here in florida, like the fact that mothers are deciding between paying for rent and paying for food, they have decided to follow this false nir t narrative and right now is the moment for congress to act and while we wait for congress to act there's something that president biden can do to protect the over 700,000 mixed-status households that are here in florida and for nicaragua, honduras and el salvador. >> going until 1:00 p.m. this crowd has grown. >> she's extremely passionate. i've been seeing the signs and one of them said we feed you and that is true. thank you so much, nick
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