it's successful because step by step, we show results when no one, not the commanders, say it's possible. no one say it's possible. we did really impossible things. when we had 20 soldiers, they had 100 soldiers, and we successfully take their position in such cooperation. that's why we are motivated. and you can see the result on the map, you know? it's the best fact. >> roman, thank you so very much. i appreciate your time, and i hope that you continue and you quickly feel better. all right. that was roman trokhymets joining us, of course, from near the front lines. thanks so much for joining us. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" begins right now.

-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "360," trump's latest excuse. it wasn't a crime, just bravado. woodward and bernstein join me live. also vladimir putin moves to look in control as questions swirl about what really happened with this weekend's rebellion. author and columnist thomas freedman joins us. plus, e. jean carroll now the defendant, countersues, claiming she defamed him. good evening. when we left you last night, the former president had just floated a new explanation of the tape of him apparently sharing a classified plan for attacking iran, which he was not authorized to have, with people not authorized to see it. and that explanation now is, i was just bsing people. he didn't say bs. he said it was bravado, fancier word, same bs. before reading you his latest excuse, here are his actual words, july 2021, showing off

the documents. >> this is secret information. look at this. this was done by the military, given to me. i think we can probably -- right? >> i don't know. we'll have to see. >> declassify it -- as president, i could have declassified it. now, i can't. but this is classified. >> it sounds pretty clear, doesn't it? these are the papers, he says. this, he says, is secret information. i could have declassified it. this is still a secret. last night speaking to abc news, he said, he wasn't really showing his guests anything secret at all. he said, quote, i would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth. it was bravado. i was holding up papers and talking about them, but i had no documents. i had no documents. as for the use of his word, plans, he said, quote, did i use the word plans? what i'm referring to is

magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. i had buildings of plans, plans of a golf course. >> to believe the former president, he was citing a classified document to bolster his plans for iran while pointing to the par 5 dogleg or something. if that were true, why say, these are the papers, when the people could see the papers in question. one person had every reason to pay attention, a ghost writer working on mark meadows. quote, the president recalls a four-page report typed up by mark milley himself. it contained the general's own plan to attack iran, something he urged president trump to do more than once during his presidency. if the former president had been i idly waving a stack of papers

around, why would the ghost writer specify it was a four-page report? or was the ghost writer just writing, full of bravado himself. it's hard not to imagine the special counsel asked them what they were shown and whether it had classified markings. joining us is eric holder, who served as attorney general during the obama administration. appreciate it you being with us. when you heard this recording of the former president at bedminster, i'm wondering what first went through your mind? >> i thought, as a former prosecutor, i thought this is as good evidence as you're likely to get. and i thought about it. i thought the tape itself is very significant. you're going to need something more than that. you're going to need someone to knock down the so-called bravado defense, a witness who could say they saw what the former president had in his hands, some kind of video, maybe a surveillance tape, or some kind

of document control so that you know that is exactly what he had in his hands. here's the deal. the fact that it was included in the indictment that was returned in florida is an indication, i think, that the justice department is confident that it's going to be able to prove that, in fact, those documents he had in his hands were, in fact, what he said they were, some kind of classified plan about attacking iran. >> in terms of the special counsel's investigation related to the 2020 election, we reported last night rudy giuliani met with federal prosecutors in recent weeks. we know the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger was set to meet with federal investigators today. does that suggest to you where jack smith may be headed and when? >> i'm not sure about when, but i think it certainly indicates that jack smith is doing an appropriately expansive look at what actually happened on january the 6th, who was involved in the planning for january 6th. i know jack smith, you know, a little bit. and he's not the kind of guy who's going to leave any stone

unturned. and my guess is what he is doing now is overturning some stones. you're also talking about people who are relatively close to the president at this point. and in the normal course of a public corruption investigation, you talk to those people who are closest to the subject closest to the target when you get towards the end of an investigation. >> i want to ask you about yesterday's supreme court ruling that rejected the so-called independent state legislature theory. last night i talked to retired federal judge michael luttig who was the person that convinced vice president pence not to go along with former president trump's attempt to overturn the election, saying it is the most significant case for american democracy since our founding almost 250 years ago. do you agree with him? is it that big? >> it was certainly a huge victory for our democracy. the court had to consider what really is a fringe theory, this notion of the independent state legislature doctrine, a theory, which would have said in essence that state legislatures operate

independently of review by state courts, totally inconsistent with our notion of checks and balances. it's going to have an impact, you know, in making sure that the election in 2024 will have the state legislatures appropriately circumscribed with a decision going the other way. i'd be very concerned that state legislatures might use the power they were given by a bad supreme court decision to potentially overturn the will of the voters in a particular state. that's not going to be able to happen now. >> we're obviously waiting for the supreme court to release its much-anticipated decision on affirmative action in college admissions. i'm wondering, given the make-up of the court, what you expect them to rule and what kind of impact do you think this is going to have? >> i don't know how they're going to rule. i can tell you what i fear is that they will somehow overturn a vast number of cases that have found a way in which to say that affirmative action is appropriate.

you know, you can't use quotas. race can be a factor. it can't be a sole determinant. and the concern that i have is that it will balkanize, it will, in some ways, make it more difficult for our institutions certainly of higher education, potentially business down the road, to have the kind of diversity that i think this nation is blessed with, the kind of diversity that makes this nation unique in the world. it makes us stronger, more competitive around the world. and so i'm worried that that's where the supreme court, you know, might actually go. my hope is that they will follow precedent. there have been a number of cases that have looked at this issue of affirmative action, a number of republican-appointed judges, justices, who have said that it is appropriate, there are certain restrictions. my hope would be that the court would keep that line of thought going. >> attorney general holder, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. more perspective now on the dumts case and what appears to

be a smoking gun tape from two people who certainly know about smoking gun tapes, bob woodward and carl bernstein. bob, you've interviewed the former president a lot. we've discussed your own tape of him. what stands out to you about this latest recording? >> well, it really shows that donald trump is an alarming, dangerous threat to national security. in the book, "peril," that i did with robert costa, we recount two national security council meetings where trump, not general milley or the defense department, are agitating for a possible attack on iran. and he is pushing it. and general milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs, the number one military man in the country, is telling trump, you don't want a war. if you start a war, you're going

to get into a conflict that you can't get out of. you see him in this reporting that we did from these meetings from notes, that it is the generals who say, no, no, no. and trump says, well -- in one of the meetings the iranians have enough to make two nuclear bombs, and he's worried about that and thinking that maybe they should consider an attack. and these contingency plans are most sensitive documents in the government. because what they do is they outline in a crisis how we might attack iran, what the casualties would be, how many ships would be sunk, how long it might take. and that's something you can't

treat casually, as trump has. and when i read this and connected some of the dots, i'd never seen anyone in government, let alone a president handle a situation like this so irresponsibly. >> yeah. carl, i want to read you something that garrett graph, a historian wrote. he said, speaking as a watergate historian, there's nowhere in thousands of hours of nixon tapes where nixon makes a comment as clear, as clearly illegal, and clearly as self-aware as this trump tape. >> absolutely. there has never been a president of the united states that we know of who in such a reckless, irresponsible way has waved an essential battle plan against our most dangerous enemies to a bunch of psychofants, showing it around the room, bragging about

it. and at the same time, the total disregard this president has shown throughout his years in the oval office for the national security of the united states, while being focused on his own personal needs. forget the united states of america. we've never seen a moment in the oval office like this, not with nixon, not with any other president. >> bob, former president trump is heard saying things like, this is secret information. as president, i could have declassified it, but now i can't. if you were writing a play about this, you wouldn't even say those lines because they're so on the dot of exactly what somebody should not be saying. i'm wondering, you know, reading it in the indictment is one thing. but actually hearing his own voice on the recording, how impactful do you think that is? >> look, it is cold, criminal case. there's no question about that. but i think we have to go to the

next level in this. what does this mean in the real world? and you look through this indictment, and there are other documents that involve human sources, some of the crown jewels, sources that the cia has. the idea that you would be cavalier about this. and that meeting that's on tape, he's kind of joking about it. and if there's something to not joke about, this is it. and look, i've spent 50 years reporting on national security, and i've never seen anything like this from anyone where you would actually kind of, oh, well, you know -- this is

something milley and the defense department, possibly showing it around? what does it show? it shows he does not understand the obligations of the presidency. he's running for that office again. and whether you like him or don't like him, people ought to look at the question, what does this mean about our national security? >> there's also a whole problem of the republican party. i spent two weeks -- >> i was going to ask you -- that was my question. it's not just the sycophants in the room -- >> absolutely. >> -- who are laughing about this. others aren't necessarily laughing, but they're blowing it off, saying it's always a weaponization. >> i just spent two weeks talking to people close to mitch mcconnell and trying to find as many people as i could who have an idea of what mitch mcconnell is going to do in this campaign.

and they say to me, he is not going to condemn donald trump at all. he is going to keep his silence. how? the republican leader can keep his silence about this kind of conduct? in one fail swoop, mcconnell has the power to say, this man is unqualified to be president of the united states. i'm a proud republican, we have to elect and nominate somebody else. this should disqualify trump from the presidency in the eyes of people of every party. >> i mean, is that a realistic way of thinking? does mitch mcconnell -- mitch mcconnell can say that, but the rnc doesn't follow? >> how about leadership? how about some leadership in the republican party, the likes of which moved richard nixon out of office. barry goldwater, the 1964 nominee of his party, to be president of the united states, led a delegation of republican leaders to the oval office and sat across from richard nixon who asked him, how many votes do i have, senator goldwater, if

there is going to be an impeachment trial? and goldwater turned to him and said, mr. president, you might have half a dozen, and you're not going to have mine. let's see mitch mcconnell do that. >> bob, do you imagine mitch mcconnell ever doing that? that's just not the way politics work anymore is it? bob, do you think that's the way -- do you think -- is that a realistic idea? i think we lost -- >> i think he lost his audio. >> it just seems -- i get what you're saying. there's really historic precedent. but you look at the leaders today. >> there's historic precedent on january 8th, when mcconnell and the speaker, mr. mccarthy, got up and said that donald trump is responsible for what happened on january 6th. and then they back tracked, shut their mouths.

they're craven. and we have to have leadership. moral leadership, political leadership, that goes beyond party, on top of which there's no republican leaders who cannot say. this is not who we are. we cannot have another criminal president of the united states. we cannot have the first seditious president of the united states who is donald trump. >> i'm wondering, separate from this, the january 6 component, the special counsel's investigation, do you think the former president is going to face federal indictment on that? >> i don't have a crystal ball, but everything that we know about what the special prosecutor, jack smith, is doing is prefatory to a likely indictment. once again, the evidence is out there from trump's own mouth. his criminal words on january 6th would appear to be as open and shut a case as the mar-a-lago documents case. this is a real criminal president. >> appreciate it. bob woodward, as well.

coming up, vladimir putin made a big public appearance that comes amid. >> reporter:ing from "the new york times" that the general had advanced knowledge of the rebellion that played out over the weekend. what might come next for vladimir putin? also tonight, e. jean carroll forced to dchbd herself in court from the former president. we'll be right back.

new developments tonight in

the wake of the aborted rebellion in russia. vladimir putin made a high profile visit to the region. five days since yevgeny prigozhin sent his mercenary group marching toward moscow, questions about the entire episode far outweigh answers, including one that "new york times" reporting that a senior general had advanced knowledge of the plot. matthew, "the new york times" reporting that this russian general knew of prigozhin's plans. what do we know about that and about him? >> general surovikin is his name. known as general armageddon, because he's got a ferocious reputation on the battlefield. he was the person responsible for, sort of, overseeing russia's brutal campaign of bombing against civilians and rebels in syria. and for a brief time, he was brought in to be the ukrainian commander, earlier this year or last year, about overseeing the

conflict there as well. he's got this ferocious reputation. in terms of the report in "the new york times" that he was aware of yevgeny prigozhin's upr uprising, well, we don't have any confirmation of that. certainly the kremlin have been asked about it. and they've said on their conference call today that it's just speculation and rumor. so, they're not particularly commenting on it either. but, certainly this figure is trusted or has been a trusted military member of the staff, who the kremlin depends on quite heavily. >> and how now is vladimir putin framing this rebellion now that several days have passed? what's the portrayal of it from him? >> it's interesting because he's kind of portraying this uprising against him as a challenge that was overcome by the people of the country and by the military.

they sided with him and not with the rebels, with the wagner rebels. and so he's trying to cast it as this sort of event which is promoting national unity. and we're seeing these images here of vladimir putin in dag stan in the south of russia getting a hero's reception, a rock star reception really, from all these people that had been gathered there to meet him. and it's an extraordinary scene because, you know -- not least because for the last couple of years, vladimir putin, because of the pandemic, the covid pandemic, hasn't really been in close contact with people in this way. you remember the big, long table that he sat at with various officials and world leaders. well, you know, move from that to these up close scenes with people taking selfies and trying to touch him. it's quite extraordinary. and it's very reminiscent of the scenes we saw at the weekend with people cheering wagner and

cheering yevgeny prigozhin. i think that scene of russians cheering those rebels really cut the quick in the kremlin. >> and people wanting to pose for selfies with yevgeny prigozhin in the last video images we saw of him. you went out to talk with people in moscow about how secure they felt after this rebellion. i know a lot of people didn't want to talk to you. those you were able to talk to, what did they say? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, people are very reluctant to kind of, you know, voice their views on camera for understandable reasons. a lot of people don't want to get engaged in politics here because it's a very risky business. and so i think that, you know, the impression i got from speaking to people is that a lot of people are very relieved, for instance, that this military uprising didn't go anywhere. it didn't lead to a large amount of bloodshed, although there was some bloodshed. but there's a concern as well, which is that, you know, what is

putin going to do in order to shore up his authority? is he going to crack down even more on people he perceives as a threat against him? and also concerns as well about what this means for the general stability of the country. are there going to be more attempts to violently overthrow the government? >> matthew chance, i appreciate it. one of the lingering questions about vladimir putin's hold on the power is whether the 70-year-old autocrat is still strong enough to thwart a takeover. and if not, what happens next? quote, in the near term, if putin is ousted, we could end up with something worse. don freedman joins me now. he's the author of a number of several books, including "the world is flat: a brief history of the 21st century." there are so many unanswered questions that we still don't know. i mean, does this make sense to you what we do know?

i don't understand what yevgeny prigozhin was thinking about what awaited him in moscow unless he thought he had some sort of inside, you know, deal with somebody there who he thought might back him. >> well, anderson, i think you hit on really the right issue. you know, between friday when they set out from their base, until saturday when he turned around, they travelled 400 miles, that wagner group. during that travel, they shot down six russian air force planes, including one highly sophisticated command and control plane. so, what we can take from that, i think, anderson, is that some faction of the russian military was clearly supporting him. what happened after that? we're going to have to keep peeling this onion every day because he may have felt he lost that faction. putin may have turned somebody around. he clearly felt his life,

prigozhin's life, might be in danger, so he took the plea offer by the president of belarus. there was a faction in the russian military that had to be very high level that was supporting this mutiny. and for putin, that has to be very disturbing. >> you wrote in "the times" referring to putin, you said, if he wins, the russian people lose. but if he loses, and his successor is disorder, the whole world loses. so, where does that leave russia and the world? are you more scared of putin staying in power or losing power? >> well, you know, anderson, i'm old enough, about to turn 70, to have been on secretary of state james baker's plane during the late '80s and early '90s when the soviet union collapsed. and if you remember the fear that the outside world had about criminality and nuclear weapons -- they had some 5,000 war heads spilling out of the

soviet union. and that was a huge focus, that disorder would actually replace the soviet union. and there was a period of disorder. and i think when you look at those pictures of russians, you know, treating putin like a rock star, i think it does reflect -- it could all be contrived. but, you know, my sense is russians deeply remembered that period of disorder. and putin's main source of popularity is that he brought order to russia and maintained order. and i would not underestimate that. i think he has a lot of, i think, authentic support for that. and, you know, if he were replaced, one of three things could happen. there is no apparent gorbachev or yell son-like figure waiting in the wings because putin wiebed them all out. imagine if prigozhin today had taken the kremlin and was in charge of the nuclear weapons,

or you get fraction and disorder in a country with 5,000 nuclear weapons spanning 11 time zones. >> you also ruled that putin has long ruled with two instruments, fear and money. does the prolonged war, the russian military, has it weakened his aura of invincibility? that was part of his appeal was he was the grand strategist. he was the master of chess -- you know, the chess master. >> yeah, chess master. you know, he always said -- or his supporters always said -- you americans play checkers, but putin plays chess. actually, it turns out putin was playing russian roulette with a loaded pistol all by himself. that's what he's done. he's a dangerous pool, we now know. he launched a big war on the basis of a big lie. but unfortunately, we're all, to some degree, riding on the good ship putin. because if a country as big as russia breaks up, it will be felt everywhere. it's why i've argued from the

beginning, anderson, that this is the real world war i. that thing we called world war i, that wasn't a world war. a lot of people were just subsistence farmers. this is the first war in a flat wired world. and everyone can follow it on a smartphone, and everyone will be impacted on it, economically or strategically. >> tom freedman, i appreciate it as always. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, a new development in another of the many legal issues facing the former president. he's countersuing e. jean carroll after a federal jury found he sexually abused her in a department store in the 1990s. details ahead. ent pays to replalace it with a new one of the same e make and model. get a whole lot of somethihing with farmers policy perks. ♪ farmers mnemonic ♪

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the former president is now countersuing writer e. jean carroll for defamation months after a federal jury found he sexually abused her in a department store in the 1990s and later defamed her. his suit insists that she defamed him the day after her court victory, and it comes ahead of a defamation suit scheduled for trail next year. so, what did she say in the cnn interview that he says is defamatory? >> right, so, this was the interview she gave to cnn this morning the day after the jury awarded her $5 million and found he sexually abused her and defamed her when he denied her claim of rape and said he didn't know her and had never met her. she appeared on "cnn this morning." take a listen to what she said. >> what about that moment?

>> robbie can explain the legal. >> sure. and i want you to. but i just wonder, e. jean, what went through your head when you heard that? >> i immediately say in my head, oh, yes, he did, oh, yes, he did. >> oh, yes, he did is the part he says is defamatory. joe tacopina, they had shaken hands after the jury verdict, and she said to him, he did it, you know he did it. it's those phrases they are saying is defamatory toward trump. her lawyers are saying this is another attempt by the former president to not take accountability for anything. part of the statement, they write that donald trump again argues contrary to logic and fact that he was exonerated by a jury that found that he sexually abused e. jean carroll. they're saying this is just another effort to try to prolong his paying her $5 million and just prolong the process. >> it is a little bit confusing

because she had a trial. the jury found that he had sexually abused her in that department store and had defamed her in comments he made later on about it and awarded her $5 million. but she has another defamation trial coming up against the former president as well. >> right. that's the first trial that she initially brought in 2019. she had written her book. trump had been asked about it while he was president by reporters, saying this woman said that you raped her. that's when he made those first statements. that has been tied up because he was the president at the time he made those statements. it's gone through an appeals process. it's back to the judge to weigh in. he has set this trial date and they're working toward that goal. that other trial was brought under a new new york law that allowed people a look-back period. and then also for statements that he made after he was outside the office of the presidency, which is why they didn't have the same issues around it. >> perspective now from jessica

roth, professor at the cordova school of law. given the jury already found in favor of mis. carroll -- >> he's asserted this is a counterclaim to the amended complaint that he's filed in that other lawsuit that karen mentioned. she added new claims, alleging he further defamed her when he participated in the town hall and other forums, continued to deny he sexually assaulted her and assailed her character. when she filed that amended complaint, he had to file an answer to those new allegations. and it gave an opportunity to assert counterclaims, and that's what he did. given that a jury credited her testimony that he sexually assaulted her in that dressing room, there's very lilliway for him to argue that she said something false about that attack. so, what the counterclaim asserts is it's trying to split

hairs between what the jury found he did affirmatively, that he sexually assaulted her and penetrated her essentially with his fingers, not his genitals, and her continuing to assert after the verdict that he had raped her. that's the very fine needle that his lawyers are asserting is the basis for this counterclaim of defamation. i don't see it having any merit. i don't see the judge is going to have much patience for it at all. but this may be an attempt to muddy the issues, perhaps delay the trial, appeal to a political base, and perhaps just sort of confuse the issues whether and if these new allegations actually go to trial. >> i mean, is it also possible to have a negotiation attempt, basically countersue and then work out something between the attorneys to make both lawsuits go away? >> very often a counterclaim can provide leverage for settlement discussions. in this particular case, it's pretty hard to imagine that there's really going to be much room for a negotiated settlement

here. given that the jury already found that he sexually abused ms. carroll. so, as ms. carroll's lawyers have said with respect to these new claims that they have filed, re really there's very little with respect to damages at this point, with respect to his ongoing statements denying he assaulted her and denigrating her character. would be to what extent has she further been damaged by these additional statements? so, i think that this is really more about playing to public opinion than anything else. >> jessica roth, i appreciate it. thank you. coming up, president biden breaks his silence about a text message his son, hunter, allegedly sent to a chinese businessman. what the president said today and what an irs whistleblower is saying about his son, next.

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transcripts of their interviews with an irs supervisor turned whistleblower who once oversaw the investigation of hunter biden and testified about the text messages. now that whistleblower is saying more with cbs news. >> if this was any other person, they likely would have already served their sentence. >> reporter: he is talking about hunter biden. the 14 year irs veteran is now claiming he was blocked from pursuing leads connected to the president. >> there are certain investigative steps we weren't allowed to take that could have led us to president biden. >> and you wanted to take them? >> we needed to take them. >> and you weren't allowed to take them. >> that's correct. >> reporter: president biden was questioned wednesday on the white house lawn about whether he was involved or aware of a text hunter allegedly sent to a chinese business partner in 2017. >> how involved were you in your son's chinese shakedown text message? were you sitting there?

were you involved? >> no, i wasn't. >> were you? >> no! >> reporter: shap lee told house lawmakers hunter biden tried to use his father to pressure companies into paying him. i am standing here with my father, and we're trying to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. i will make certain that every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a judge, that you will regret not follow my direction. but the president insistent he knew nothing about these messages. david weiss was appointed by donald trump and has overseen the investigation into hunter biden, dating back to 2018. last week, hunter reached a deal with prosecutors. he agreed to plead guilty for failure to file his 2017 and 2018 taxes, and he also admitted to a firearm charge that weiss agreed not to prosecute in exchange for hunter entering a two-year pretrial diversion

program. >> i can say this, i'm cooperating completely. >> if a judge signs off on the deal, hunter will not serve jail time. a claim attorney general denied at a press conference friday. >> he was given complete authority to make all decisions on his own. >> schauffele says his contemporaneous notes from an october meeting last year show differently, where he says he documented remarks from the u.s. attorney. weiss stated he is not the deciding person on whether charges are filed. >> i documented exactly what happened and it doesn't seem to match what the attorney general or the u.s. attorney are saying today. it was just shocking to me. >> attorney general merrick garland says he would support u.s. attorney weiss testifying about these claims of political interference from the whistleblower. and house speaker kevin mccarthy is saying they want weiss to come in as soon as july 6th. in the meantime, our team has obtained a letter from weiss to house judiciary chair jim

jordan, where weiss is insisting he had ultimate authority over the hunter biden probe. coming up, a major health scare for singer madonna that put her in the icu this weekend. what happened and her current condition justst ahead.

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the singer, madonna, is postponing some of her upcoming world tour after a health scare saw her rushed to the hospital this weekend. quote, on saturday, june 24th, madonna developed a serious bacterial infection, which led to a several-day stay in the icu. her health is improving, however she is still under medical care. a full recovery is expected. we're joined by dr. leana wen, public health professor at george washington university. what can cause a bacterial infection so severe that a patient would need to be in the icu? >> well, that's the key question, is, what is the source of this infection? so, if somebody is coming into the emergency department and they are unresponsive, as it

sounds like madonna was when she showed up, and they're expected to have a bacterial infection, you first want to stabilize the individual. you want to make sure their breathing supported, if they have sepsis, you want to support their blood pressure. and you want to start broad spectrum antibiotics. and then you start looking for the source. the source could be a skin infection, soft tissue infection that then spread to the rest of the body. it could originate from the kidneys. it could originate from the lungs by way of pneumonia. it could be appendicitis or a gallbladder infection or something in the belly. so, there are all kinds of infections that could then spread to the bloodstream and unfortunately lead to this level of illness. >> how common are bacterial infections? >> very common. individuals get bacterial infections all the time. and the key is to identify it early, to get it treated. so, if, for example, somebody has a skin infection, you would

want to get antibiotics on board very quickly before it becomes something that spreads to their bloodstream. or if somebody has appendicitis, identify that. they might need to have surgery, but do that before the appendix bursts and you have a bigger problem. >> and what is recovery like? >> it really depends. it depends on the health of the individual prior to the infection. somebody who is generally healthy will recover faster compared to somebody with underlying medical conditions that could also be worsened by the infection. it could also depend on the source of the infection and what needed to be done. does somebody need to have a surgical procedure? and then it depends on how quickly they respond to treatment. in this case, it sounds like madonna responded quite quickly. so, a full recovery is certainly possible, although that recovery might take on the order of weeks to months. >> and how do people know they have a bacterial infection as opposed to something else more benign? >> yeah, this is one where it's best to seek medical attention as soon as possible because you

just don't necessarily know. so, if you see something, like pain, swelling, redness on your arm, on your leg, on a part of your body, it could be an infection. if you are experiencing shortness of breath, chest pain, it could be pneumonia. if you're having new abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, you might be concerned about gallbladder issues, appendix issues. best to get it checked out. if it turns out to be an infection, you want to diagnose that as soon as possible instead of waiting for this to spread. i'm just getting overpneumonia myself. i had severe shortness of breath and chest pain and ended up being hospitalized for pneumonia. that was a stark reminder for me for how quickly people can become sick. it's important to listen to our bodies and get treatment as soon as you think something unusual is happening. >> dr. leana wen, i'm so glad you're out of the hospital. i hope you feel better soon. >> thank you. up next, wreckage from the titan submersible is being

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