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starts right now. thank you, kaitlan. good evening. i'm abby philip. it is the tale of two tapes. special counsel jack smith's interference heating up. investigators interviewing georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, former president donald trump's famously called him in january of 2021 pressing him to find votes that trump needed to win the state of georgia. a state that joe biden won by nearly 12,000 votes. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> so where the special counsel's investigation headed? we will discuss that. and he has already indicted president trump in the mar-a-lago case while trump and his allies keep changing their

explanations about that audio recording that cnn exclusively obtained where trump is on there discussing and seems to wave around classified documents. this is what he said about it before cnn got the exclusive tape. >> there was no document. that was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about iran and other things, and it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. i didn't have a document per se. these were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles. >> and then on monday cnn actually obtained the audio itself. here's what he said. >> with milley, let me see that. i'll show you an example. he said that i wanted to attack iran. isn't it amazing. i have a big pile of papers. this thing just came up. look. this was him. they presented me this. this is off the record, but they

presented me this. this was him. this was the defense department and him. this wasn't done by me. it was him. all sorts of stuff, pages. let's see here. isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know? except it is like highly confidential, secret. it's secret information. >> speaking to fox news digital yesterday trump insists he did nothing wrong and he claims that he did not see that recording but he also says, quote, you hear the russell of the paper. the president saying that he had a desk full of papers, including copies of different plans and news articles covering many subjects. so where exactly are those plans? well, a trump campaign spokesperson told cnn's kristen

holmes he was referring to political plans. but then trump himself later told reporters this. he said, did i use the word plans? what i'm referring to is magazine -- newspapers, plans of buildings. i had plans of buildings, you know, building plans. i had a lot of golf courses. plans for golf courses. i want to start with cnn's senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid as well as cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. so, paula, start with you. brad raffensperger coming in to be interviewed today by the special counsel seems pretty significant especially coming after we found out that rudy giuliani was also questioned. what does that tell us tonight about the state of the investigation? >> those two interviews with the rest of our reporting certainly suggests that they could be nearing a charging decision. we have seen an uptick in activity in recent weeks. with giuliani we don't know ma what he was asked about but he was subpoenaed for information

about payments and money he received around the time that he was filing all those legal challenges against the 2020 election. but that subpoena, that was sent over six months ago. and then once jack smith took over the investigation, giuliani didn't hear a word until recent weeks and that raises questions about whether he could be a target and because usually if you are contacted late in the investigation it suggests you may not just be a witness, you could be at risk for possible charges. it's unclear if he will be charge. with raffensperger an incredibly key witness, not someone expected to be a target, can speak to that conversation in january 2020 that he had with former president trump because he was part of this investigation jack smith is looking at the pressure that was being applied to states like georgia to overturn the election results. >> that's fascinating what you pointed out about giuliani. so, gloria, on president trump, i mean, he is still lashing out against his most recent indictment. but there is this real prospect

of another indictment potentially dropping over his involvement in january 6th. how concerned should he be about this one? >> i think he should be concerned about all of them. i mean, i think the question --nd i am not quite sure how jack smith is going to work it out in georgia, who is also investigating the question of false electors, but i think he needs to be worried about all of them. the question is what did the president know about these false electors. did he order them? we don't -- we don't know the answer to those questions but we do know that jack smith pursued the mar-a-lago case first, the documents case, that may perhaps be because it's a little more clear cut, and then now clearly is moving on to this question of rigging the election. and perhaps even the insurrection. so if i were the former

president of the united states, and i saw these things piling up, i would be, yes, i would be really concerned about it, even though, and you know this, abby, even though his poll numbers are going up, it becomes a wallpaper of the campaign. and it is going to be about what some of the other candidates like chris christie we just heard, was on with kaitlan, are going to be talking about. it will be in the ether and more and more people may start asking themselves the questions about whether they want someone with this kind of baggage. >> yeah, i mean, it is going to be something he has to contend with. paula, i want to ask you about trump's response to that cnn exclusive audio recording where he is there as we played earlier talking about these classified documents. what is he saying tonight? >> well, now he is saying that this was just all bravado and fact check, i don't think that is untrue, but that certainly doesn't absolve you of potential

criminal responsibility when you can hear him on recording saying that he retained government secrets after he left the white house and admits he didn't have the power to declassify them as he appeared to be trying to share them with a room full of people without statements. he said, quote, i would say it was bravado if you want to know the truth it was bravado. i was talking and holding up papers and talking about them but i had no documents. i didn't have any documents. of course, we know he says in the recording something that was not included in the indictment but cnn found in the recording he says these are the papers. so silence is an option. he doesn't have to talk about this. all of this is going to be admissible in court and now in order to have the jury believe what he is saying now he has to convince them he lied on the recording. he was lying to a room full of people. one way or the other he boxed himself into some serious credibility issues. >> imagine trying to convince a jury that you're a liar and

that's a good thing for you. >> what about the american people, gloria? i mean, to your point, we just laid out all of the different versions of the explanations here. i mean, there is a jury who needs to buy that, but also american voters would need to buy that. what do you think? >> i think, look, i think there is a base of people who are gonna support donald trump no matter what. they are gonna think it's a hoax. they are gonna think it's a weaponized justice department and we heard all that, including from many republican members of congress. i think as you go down the road here and you start seeing the president particularly in his own words and then you see a president assembling, people are going to start scratching their said and say even if you liked donald trump, maybe i don't want to go through this again. maybe i have had enough of this. and that's what we're hearing among republican voters.

i would not say that it's a crescendo. i would say that he is very, very far ahead in the polls. but it's early. it's not late. and i think you have someone like chris christie and asa hutchinson taking on the former president directly and i think that that's gonna have an impact. >> well, we will find out soon enough. florio and paula, thank you very much. i want to turn to conservative lawyer george conway. george, thank you for joining us here tonight. we were just discussing this issue of whether trump's explanations are believable. i want to play what former governor chris christie had to say about that. >> he is getting cornered. i think the latest lie is the one that he said just yesterday, right, where he said i was -- i it was just bravado. he was saying he was lying to the people he was sitting with, mark meadows, biographers and his own staff. but let me tell you something.

that's what he does. he admitted he had the documents. he knew about the grand jury subpoena but he was too busy to go through the boxes to see what was classified and he didn't want to turn the boxes over because he had golf shirts and golf pants in there. come on. nobody in america believes that story. >> george, i assume these public statements are potentially admissible in court. how much do they matter? >> they matter a lot because he is lying about everything. we all know, we had experiences when people have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar and dealing with people who are telling lies and making up stories. nothing like this. he is not very good at it. he is a pathological liar. he will say anything that comes to his head in a given moment to convince somebody that -- you know, attention, some accusation against him is untrue. the problem is he has no defense. he has -- we have been watching this now since last august and

they have yet to come up with a coherent, factual or legal defense to these charges. and the -- the reason is because he did it. he did it and it was illegal and there is -- you know, there is no argument that he has. and that's why you see him cycling and plaflailing about a going from saying, oh, the fbi planted. documents, we don't know -- i was entitled to the documents, i didn't have any documents. literally, there is no lie -- i don't think he -- i think he ran out of lies. the last one when he is saying these were plans for a golf course or something like that, i mean you know, yeah, i guess the pentagon owns some golf courses somewhere. but, yeah, it's ridiculous. i mean, that's not what he was talking about and we had heard the tape. >> we will find out if there are nor explanations to come for sure. on the special counsel investigation into january 6th what does it say to you that brad raffensperger was brought in to testify today? >> well, yeah, again, i think georgia is going to be one threat. it's a very complicated case

which is why i think as gloria pointed out a couple minutes ago, why i think the special counsel proceeded with the documents case which is a single timeline, whereas -- multiple timelines, people doing various things, trump being involved basically everywhere trying to get the vice president to violate the law, trying to persuade -- create slates of fake electors, trying to persuade the secretary of state in george, raffensperger and people in michigan and other states to try to -- and the litigation. it's very, very complex. the raffensperger thing is really significant because, you know, there is the tape and you put raffensperger on to explain the context of how the tape came about is very, very important. and when you combine -- >> do you -- >> yes? do you think the tape alone is enough to substantiate a charge

when it comes to trump? >> i don't know that it's enough, but you have to remember -- it's pretty significant. he is basically asking for one more note than he needs to win the election. he is not asking for an actual count. he is just basically asking somebody to fix the results. and but, you know, when you -- but you have to view that in the context of all of the evidence that we've seen so far that came out, especially during the january 6th committee hearings in the house. and how basically everybody told him -- everybody who any sense, lawyers -- lawyers in the government, lawyers outside the government, his own attorney general, his own staff and everybody was telling him you lost, buddy. you lost. and so that's the context. >> he was pushing all of of this anyway. so, george, also today, i mean, if there weren't enough legal dealings having to do with former president trump, he is countersuing -- >> there is only going to be

more. >> writer e. jean carroll for defamation after a jury found that he was liable for sexual assault and that he defamed her. so it's important to point out here that carroll testified that a conversation with you in 2019 led her to seriously consider suing trump, but do you think that trump has a case here? a counter case to sue her for defamation? >> it is the most ridiculous thing. i mean, and we have seen so much that's ridiculous. this is one of the more ridiculous things we have ever seen. because the fact tof the matter is the jury found that he sexually molested jean. and that -- you know, whether you -- whether it's technically rape under new york law or not, which is, you know, it would be rape in many other states, what the jury found that she did -- and the jury didn't -- what he did. but the jury didn't find that she -- that she was not raped. they just said we find that he -- you know, and it was sufficient for purposes of a

verdict that they find that she was sexually molested. and in a very, very almost -- in an unspeakable fashion. it's completely -- any libel case based on the proposition that he didn't commit technical rape under new york law is just -- is just ridiculous and i think what we're going to see is -- who filed this thing, tacopina didn't dare file this, i think she will get sanctioned like when she did in florida coughing the dnc. >> interesting. we will be watching that as well. george conway, thank you. >> thank you. and just ahead, fallout from the rebellion in russia. serious questions about a top russian general's whereabouts and the reports that he knew about that planned insurrection.

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. questions mounting tonight about the whereabouts of russia's former top commander in ukraine sergey surovikin who has not been seen since friday. it comes as "the new york times" is reporting that surovikin may have had advanced knowledge of the wagner boss' plans to rebel against russia's military leadership. i want to bring in former defense secretary william cohen. so, secretary cohen, what do you think is going on with sergey surovikin and do you believe

that he might have been aware of this attempted insurrection? >> we are really in land of speculation at this particular point. we really don't know. what i think we are seeing is with a longer he stays out of the public eye, the longer it is before he comes home to his wife who said that he was -- had not come home from work yet. long day at the office for the past week. but the longer he is away, the more suspicion and speculation there is going to be that he represents more than just one individual, but there are other military tear men who share abthe same view about the war as prigozhin did. i think that will raise the level of anxiety that president putin has to have his neck on a swivel turning around and around 360 degrees saying who is with me, who against me? and he basically is walking down in the kremlin a hall of

mirrors. the reflection from reality. and again, who is a patriot, who is a traitor and right now he has to be very suspicious of the people of his closest advisory team, both the government and also the military. >> yeah, no question about that. because just the mere fact that prigozhin could have gotten this far is an indication that something was amiss in the kremlin. but as you pointed out, putin is trying now to double down on his support. he put out this video today of him being surrounded, almost accosted, by cheering supporters. it's just one of multi peernss that he has made since the rebellion. few of them, i should say, are live. so what message is he trying to send here? >> he is trying to replicate what prigozhin was doing and -- on the border, between that and ukraine, he is getting a hero's welcome. he couldn't have that take place without a response. he is showing he is a man of the people, he represents the

people. the rebellion or the mutiny has been quelled and he is back in charge and they should rest assured that there is not going to be disorder prevailing. stability is key to the russian psyche and he is saying that everything is okay, the bad guys have been put down and i'm still in charge. >> yeah, i mean, he is doing this in part because the reception that prigozhin got as you pointed out seemed to suggest a lot of popular support, maybe nascent popular support for opposition. do you think that there is evidence even after putin has come out still in charge after this weekend that he might be losing his grip on russia in the way that some are suggesting? >> i think he has two problems. on the one hand, prigozhin is saying, look, you gave me billions, but i want bullets. i have got the $2 billion or $3 billion you gave me to wage this war, but i need bullets and you are not giving them to me. there was a rage saying i am on the front lines with the troops.

they are fighting and dying and you are not giving me what you need to give me to help win this war. that's an aspect with the soldiers on the ground supporting prigozhin and i believe some in moscow in the military were supporting him saying we have got to do more to win this war against the ukrainians. the second part of it is there are those, i believe, in the russian government who actually agree with what prigozhin was saying. this is an unjust war that you are waging and he called putin a liar, basically saying you lied to the russian people and to the world. this was not something with a threat to you. ukraine was not thinking of advancing against you. so you have put russia in the crosshairs of the international community with all of the sanctions. so we are now pariahs in many parts of the world and we are not gaining on the battlefield. he has people in the government questions the legitimacy of being in ukraine at the same time his military are saying you are not doing enough. so he is in a real box right now. he's got to show i am still in

charge. i don't think he can afford to take any action that discuss the heads off a number of people right away, but those people involved in the planning and the support for prigozhin i think they will eventually be missing in action, as will prigozhin. >> and that message that you pointed out about the war being an ill-fated war, that coming from inside of russia means that the russian people probably heard it, maybe some of them, for the very first time. it's significant what you just said that. secretary cohen, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. and coming up next, president biden embracing a new catchphrase about the state of the economy as he runs for re-election in 2024 called bidenomics and we will break down what it means with one of the president's top economic advisors next.

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president biden giving a major speech on the economy and making the pitch to voters that the united states is heading in the right direction. he is embracing the term bidenomics which is a play on

reaganomics. the president trying to claim credit for an economy where some indicators are trending in the right direction, although public optimism remains low. biden is aiming this message squarely at the middle class. >> bidenomics is about the future. bidenomics is a way of saying restore the american dream. we invest in our people, we strengthen the middle class. we see the economy grow. that benefits all americans. that's the american dream. 40 years of trickle down limited that dream. for those, except for those at the top. >> and joining me is jared bernstein the chair of the white house council of economic advisors. thank you for joining us. so i want to start with this. gallup released their economic confidence index and it shows that americans are feeling slightly better. that number is ticking up there at the end. but at the same time, they do

remain overall pessimistic. an ap poll shows 64% of americans disapprove of president biden's handling of the this economy. i have wonder, is bidenomics a rebrand that is trying to change these overall economic approval ratings? >> not so much that as a description of an economic theory on one hand and very much a theory that's in practice on the other hand. that is, bidenomics is already in our economy generating some of those positive indicators that you mentioned in your introduction. look, we are talking about building this economy, growing this economy from the middle out and the bottom up. and doing so on three pillars, abby. finally reversing decades of disinvestment in this country that was a symptom of trickle-down economics, this idea if you just cut taxes for

the wealthy that will uplift the middle class. there are decades of evidence to the contrary. finally making smart investment in the public sector that crowd private investments from investors here at home. empowering and educating our work force and promoting greater competition both to lower costs, very important for consumers right now, to continue the progress we made on inflation. real progress, more work to do there, as well as giving small businesses a fighting chance in a world why there has been under trickle down too much concentration in key industries. >> so a numbers guy. the a.p. a poll out that found that only 47% of democrats, that's your party, think that the economy is doing well. i wonder, what do you think is behind that? why is it that so few of the president's own supporters presumptively have so low confidence in this issue?

>> well, i think if you ask people about the components of bidenomics or some of the specifics about the current economy, you actually get pretty different numbers. we know, for example, that people's job satisfaction is at a 36-year high. again, pilar two, bidenomics, an empowered and educated work force. we have an unemployment rate that has been below 40% for year inform in this country and that provided disproportionate opportunities to communities of color, people often left behind in trickle down economies. so that's one poll number that i think is quite important. if you then drill down further and ask people about the specifics of bidenomics, ask them about how they feel about infrastructure investment, about lower cost for prescription drugs, for insulin, about broadband. the president announced a $42 billion investment in affordable rural broadband in

this country because we know, abby, that having access to high-speed internet is like economic oxygen regardless of your address. those numbers poll -- those projects poll in the 70, 75% range. when you actually drill down and ask people about the granular aspects of what we are trying to do in bidenomics, we are starting to break through with, i think, more receptivity. >> so one of the components of what you are discussing here, the kind of disconnect that we might be seeing, you have people who may have jobs, but while inflation is trending down, it's still there. it's still making them unable to afford as much as they would like to afford. that's still a factor in the economy. so what is the white house doing about that? >> yeah. as you say, inflation -- about a year ago it was 9% year over

year. it's come down by more than half, last seen at 4%. you're right. we have got more work to do and we have components of bidenomics that push on that trend to keep it moving in the right direction. so one of the things the president talked about is promoting competition to lower costs. how do we do that? well, one of the things he has been working on is getting rid of junk fees. another is to save consumers over $5 billion a year when it comes to overdraft fees. helping small businesses come online, increasing the economy's capacity, getting the ftc back in the business of promoting competition in industries where there is not enough of that. at the same time, one of the things we are starting to see now, and this is key to your question, one of the things we are starting to see now are real wage gains. since the last nine or ten months we finally see wages beating inflation, but by small

amounts now. we have to build on that as inflation comes down, the job market remains solid. >> i do want to point out that you talked about a lot of things to reduce costs, you know, relatively small things. a lot of the big costs are food, you know, housing. these are big things that take up a big chunk of people's paychecks. one last thing. we have a few seconds. but do you believe there is a chance here in this next year of an economic recession? >> well, first of all, let me address -- i know we have a few seconds. it is really important to recognize that grocery costs have been coming down at a pretty fast clip. not just inflation, but actually the price. the price of eggs is basically back down to where it was a year ago. in terms of recession, look, if you look around where this economy is right now, the indicators that we use to gauge recession, they are just not flashing anything like a recession. tight job market, strong consumer. i told you about real wage gains we are starting to see and bock

investment plans that intend to keep that momentum going. so we like the kind of momentum we see. we think it's very complementary the announcements the president made today. >> jared bernstein, thank you very much for joining us here tonight. and just ahead, debris from the destroyed "titanic" submersible brought to shore along with what is believed to be human remains. we will talk to a deep sea expert on here -- on where that investigation goes from here. - i got the cabin for three days. it's gonna be sweet! what? i'm 12 hours short.

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authorities confirmed the tragic implosion of that sub with five people onboard. the debris will be headed to investigators who will try to uncover more about how this disaster unfolded. joining me is deep sea explorer and oceanographer david gallo. thank you for joining us. this is grim news here from the coast guard. how will investigators now use what they found to put together the picture of what actually went wrong here with this sub? >> well, very similar to an air crash study, investigation. one way we like to think about it is to treat it as a crime scene. so with the robots, cameras, laser, lidar, make a complete map of the site on the bottom of the ocean because it's not very easily accessible. so you want to be able to take that back to the laboratory to the forensic experts. second part, of course, choose what to pick and not to pick. pelagic and the coast guard have

done an incredible job in my opinion in a short time. you saw very big pieces, obviously, in those images. but they probably are picking up things as tiny as a memory card ka, a chip, because who knows what's on there. so there is probably an awful p lot of bits and pieces that will have to be analyzed. i am not sure -- there are four countries involved -- where that will be. i guess in the u.s., but i don't know that for sure. >> yeah. it's interesting to see how large those pieces were. you know, when people hear about an explosion they know what to expect. when we talk about an implosion, what kind of evidence really is left there from the inside of that sub? >> i would have guessed not a lot. i thought including human remains, i thought everything would be vaporized because normally what we think about is a sphere, you are in a capsule and it collapses inwards, which generates incredible amount of heat and explodes outwards.

in this case, it's a tube. if you collapse the inside of the tube, you may push things out the sides. and the front and the back. what you are looking at there, the ring, earlier the nose cone where the porthole would be. i see plenty of wiring and things like that. so there probably is an awful lot for them to go on rather than just tiny, tiny bits of fragments. >> yeah, and -- >> the cables and -- yeah. >> yeah, that is really interesting to look at that photo where you see basically the wiring very much intact, withsy a little surprising to see. as we go forward, there will be a question of when went wrong. also, how does this never happen again. what safety changes do you want to see going forward to prevent something like this from happening? >> that's a great question, abby. this is something that we always knew could happen in the business for 40 years. we expected that something like this could happen, and here

finally it did happen and we are all kind of surprised by it. committees will start taking a close look at the process. the design, was it proper? was the operations, the techniques, was all that platform double. then they will start refining it. i am assuming it's going to take quite a bit of time to get that taken care of. you know what? you could have all the certificates on the planet, a stamp of approval from the pope, that doesn't guarantee that you're going to have a safe trip to the bottom. it just -- the thing you want to do is minimize risk. there is always risk. minimize it. >> and the ocean, as many people have said to us, is an incredibly -- the deep sea incredibly unforgiving place. david gallo, thank you very much for joining us, as always. ahead for us, a major health scare for a pop legend, madonna. she developed a serious bacterial infection which sent her to the icu for a few days.

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viral specialist. dr. rodriguez, this was really stunning, probably to a lot of people. the icu is very serious, but the icu for several days, what does that tell you? what do you think happened here? >> well, i think, first of all, i heard reports as she had been intubated, which meant she had a tube in her mouth, to her lungs, breathing for her. so, that in and of itself is very serious. you just don't do that as a precautionary measure. that tells me that madonna had, probably, a very disseminated infection. it could have been a pneumonia, an infection of the lungs, which causes her not to be able to breathe. either when they called the paramedics, and i hope they did, or what you got to the emergency room, they immediately started breathing for her, and integrating her. that is sutton shuns because we know little. the fact she was in the icu, and we identify this as a bacterial infection, that leads

me to believe she may have been septic, which means some sort of bacterial infection overwhelmed her blood stream, and lowered her blood pressure, maybe even, you know, just stopped her breathing temporarily, or slowed it down. yes, it sounds like it was very, and still could be very serious. >> yeah, absolutely. we don't know a whole lot about her medical history, but we do know she previously underwent a hip replacement surgery back in 2020 due to an injury from her last tour. what kind of role could that play in her health right now? >> that could play a big role, and this is coming from someone who he, him self, me, had an artificial knee put in a couple of years ago. if you don't have any foreign body in your body, meaning if you don't have any metal, usually your body's own tissue fights off a bacterial infection. however, if you have an inanimate substance in your body, there is no tissue with what what cells to fight off infection. so, a titanium hip, a titanium

knee, even an artificial valve in your heart is, well, a playground for bacteria. they can just start reproducing there. so, the fact that she had, probably or maybe, a very disseminated bacterial infection, and the fact that she has an artificial hip raises the dangerous stakes, i think, considerably, in her case. it may have nothing to do with it because she is three years out, and usually the danger zone is two years. it may be what is going on. again, we don't know. >> that is a very interesting observation there. so, she had this 84 performance tour scheduled over the course of about six months across north america, europe, united kingdom. madonna is also 64 years old. that, i think, would be ambitious even under the most healthy of circumstances. after experiencing something like this, what do you think are the prospects for that tour?

>> well, i think, again, we don't know everything. if they are mentioning it, it's not a subtle, little, you know, walking pneumonia. there's more serious things going on here. probably, it is a tour that may very well be canceled completely, especially if there is a serious infection. if this infection has gotten into the bones, gotten into the prosthetic hip, it may take months of continued antibiotics to completely get rid of it. so, we will know, hopefully, more, in the next few weeks, if she dares, you know, or wants to shared, not theirs to share it. obviously, we wish her well. this could be something very serious, and the most important thing, obviously, is her health. not her tour. all the exhaustion that comes with it, which would tend to make things worse. >> and we do certainly all wish her well. i mean, madonna is a major legend for so many people. dr. jorge rodriguez, thank you very much for sharing your expertise on all of that.

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>> it is a matchup for the ages. silicon valley heavyweights, elon musk versus mark zuckerberg, and a hand to hand combat. if you think we are joking, trust me, we are not. check out these pictures. that is elon musk training with broadcaster lex friedman. friedman trained in mixed

martial arts and says of musk, and i quote, i'm extremely impressed with his strength, power, and skill on the feet, and on the ground. for those of you who had your money on zuckerberg, on the other hand, he is a known fighter, and somebody who has also trained with lex friedman. you might want to reconsider. that is if the fight even happens because elon musk's mom may musk is checking in, and she says that she is canceling the fight. so, i guess we will have to wait and see if this one even happens. thank you for joining us tonight. cnn tonight with alisyn camerota starts right now. >> abby, i have one question, why? why are they doing that. >> that is what elon musk's mom wants to find out tonight. >> of course she does! they are acting like real housewives from silicon valley, that is what they are acting like. >> i'd watch that. >> i'm with her. >> all right, abby, thank you very much. good evening, everyone. i am alisyn camerota. we'll come to cnn tonight. remember when