martial arts and says of musk, and i quote, i'm extremely impressed with his strength, power, and skill on the feet, and on the ground. for those of you who had your money on zuckerberg, on the other hand, he is a known fighter, and somebody who has also trained with lex friedman. you might want to reconsider. that is if the fight even happens because elon musk's mom may musk is checking in, and she says that she is canceling the fight. so, i guess we will have to wait and see if this one even happens. thank you for joining us tonight. cnn tonight with alisyn camerota starts right now. >> abby, i have one question, why? why are they doing that. >> that is what elon musk's mom wants to find out tonight. >> of course she does! they are acting like real housewives from silicon valley, that is what they are acting like. >> i'd watch that. >> i'm with her. >> all right, abby, thank you very much. good evening, everyone. i am alisyn camerota. we'll come to cnn tonight. remember when donald trump

called georgia secretary of state and instructed him to find a lump doesn't 780 more votes to overturn joe biden's election victory? well, today, brad raffensperger, that georgia official, talked to jack smith's investigators. one of donald trump's former white house lawyers is here to help explain what that means for trump and the investigation. listen to what republican rival chris christie just said about donald trump on cnn. >> he is the consummate show off, and i think that's what that tape was, him showing off. people asked me, going back to the time of the raid last year, of mar-a-lago. like, why would he keep these documents? people are like, is he going to give them to a foreign government, sell them to someone, blackmail people? like, you don't understand donald trump. it's just to show off. >> all right, there is a lot more to come from that interview. plus, how to stop a mass shooting. we are going to show you some incredible newly released body cam video that captures a own

police officer taking down an active shooter. a major health scare for madonna, we are told she is out of intensive care tonight, and we are covering from a life threatening bacterial infection. she postponed her world tour. we have more details ahead. let's begin with special counsel jack smith's investigation into january 6th, and donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. if you've lost track of all of the different investigative threads, tom foreman is at the magic wall to catch us up. tom? >> alisyn, georgia's secretary of state bribed raffensperger publicly said he felt threatened when then president trump called, asking him to find enough votes to help trump win in georgia. now, he is joined a long line of republicans who have spoken to federal investigators looking at efforts to overturn the 2020 election. among them, rudy giuliani, once trump's personal lawyer, who was questioned in recent weeks. former vice president mike pence, trump white house chief

of staff, mark meadows, former aide stephen miller, former deputy chief of staff and social media director dan scavino, former national security adviser robert o'brien, and on, and on it goes. suffice it to say, it's a lot of trump insiders being asked what they saw and heard about any effort to undo a legal and fair election. the scope of this probe is also notable for its geography. investigators asking about possible schemes were fake electors, false claims and georgia and pennsylvania, and michigan, and wisconsin, and nevada, and arizona, and new mexico. all of this against a boiling background of the other cases the former president faces. that indictment in manhattan, accusing him of falsifying business records to disguise hush money payments to hide alleged affairs. the indictment in federal court over those classified documents seized at trump's mar-a-lago club, and a georgia county

prosecutor's own investigation into alleged attempts by trump's and his allies to steal the election there. for the record, the former president has insisted time and again that he did nothing wrong, and many of his team have said they just want to make sure that the election was above board. alison? >> tom,,, thank you very much for all of that. let's bring in former trump white house lawyer jim schultz along with cnn legal analyst, -- cnn law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. great of all of you. jim, we've all heard that call to brad raffensperger where donald trump asked him to find 11,780 more votes, and in brad raffensperger's book, he said that he believed that it was a threat. what does jack smith, what more does jack smith want to know from brad raffensperger today in this interview? >> well, my sense is, when you are seeing folks like raffensperger and other public officials, and folks closer to the inner circle of donald

trump, being interviewed, that tells me it's getting closer and closer to a conclusion in terms of the investigation. they are wanting to confirm things they've otherwise already, you know, they've already had testimony, or evidence in the grand jury, and they're trying to confirm things that they've already seen with folks who had the firsthand knowledge which is why they are probably talking to raffensperger. >> jen, your thoughts? >> yeah, i agree. one of the things you want to do with something like this is set to the table, right? you want to hear from raffensperger, not just about what actually happened on that call, which, of course, you have recorded. let's talk about the integrity of the investigation, of the election in georgia, you know? tell us how confident you are about the vote count, and why there were no troubles in georgia, and when you explain that to the president, and what his reaction was, you need to kind of said all of that out as well. of course, you know, in the end, the president did know he lost the election when he is asking about those votes. it is not because he thinks he really deserves those votes. it's an effort to overturn a legitimate election. >> john, what do you think

happens next? >> i think what we are seeing is a flurry of activity in a place where i think, prior to this, the special counsel's momentum was really towards the documents at mar-a-lago. you are seeing brighter affronts burger in there, you are seeing sessions with rudy giuliani, you see them looking to talk to eastman. they are trying to lock down everybody's story. the giuliani one is particularly interesting. they are focusing on, really, the period from election day, november 3rd to january 20th, what happened on what date during that thing, during that time period, what was the purpose of the alternate electors, what was the legal precedent for that? did they actually have the evidence of the fraud? i spoke to two people who were familiar with that conversation, who said it was a very cooperative, not acrimonious, fairly reflective of what the january six committee interviewed with giuliani

covered in terms of territory, so they are bringing form to this investigation. >> jen, you see other signs that suggest to you that giuliani is being cooperative. >> the fact he's there at all under a proper agreement means he's been cooperative. they could to subpoena him and drag him into the grand jury, but the fact he's willing to interview in advance of that means he's been cooperative. i don't think that means he will be a co-operator with a cooperation agreement, because i think there has just been too much craziness from him, too many false statements, too much naughtiness, substance abuse issues. i don't think they will sign him up as a cooperating witness and use him at trial. that doesn't mean he's not useful to talk to now as they're still putting the rest of the pieces together. >> there's a distinction there, which is, you know, he was asked, for my understanding, about what did you do on this day? what was behind this particular move? when it came to questions about what did you say to donald trump, what did he say to you, that's where lawyer client privilege came in, and was

invoked, and that's where it stood. >> there's been two indictments, donald trump has been indicted twice. do you think there are others coming down the pike soon? >> yeah, i think what they are looking at here is, we already talked about the alternative electors, you know? they are probably looking into, perhaps, the attempt to try and change over the attorney general, the pressure that was placed on folks like mike pence and others, and what was going on in the state legislatures around the countries that really two electors that we said before. then you have the issue in georgia, right? so, you pull that all together, and they're looking at some, perhaps, some conspiracy to overturn the outcome, overturn the outcome of about election, defrauding united states government, they are looking at all these issues to try and build a case and build, eventually, towards an indictment. i think, as they are getting to the end here, when you are seeing folks like rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and others going

in and testifying, i think that is where, you know, we see this coming to a conclusion. i do think that this case, in particular, and i don't think you will see an incitement type of case here because the first amendment issues associated with it, i think it'll focus more on the election issues, and trying to overturn the outcome of the election. i think you are going to see, you know, the facts surrounding january 6th coming into play. not in the sense of incitement, but more of pressure to push this narrative. >> do you agree, jen? >> i do agree. this conspiracy has a lot of strands, as jim was saying. i don't think they will even touch this issue of incitement on that day. they've got plenty with fake electors, pressures on the state election officials, pressures on the state legislatures, all of that. they have got more than enough to do that, maybe in one, big climbed conspiracy, it's called, as jim was saying. >> jim, you worked, obviously, in the trump white house. let's talk about rudy giuliani

for a second. what kind of behind the scenes info do you think he can offer to the special counsel? >> see, rudy giuliani didn't work in the white house. he was an adviser to the president, was a lawyer to the president, private lawyer to the president. so, i mean, he probably knows a lot more than most as it relates to this matter. he was going into court in pennsylvania, and other places, and holding meetings in pennsylvania and other places, where they were pushing forward with this idea that the election was stolen. i mean, he has probably got a lot of information. the question is, what is privileged, what is not, what can you talk about, what can you talk about? you know, those are the issues that were addressed earlier and the discussion, and i think, you know, it remains to be seen as what really comes of giuliani's testimony. >> i think that is a good assessment. just going back to our discussion here last night, at this table it was, what did really giuliani say in public

versus what did he represent in court? part of the focus of this interview was that rudy giuliani was running lee operation of trying to prove that the election was stolen, but when they made those representations and court, they weren't saying the same things that they were saying in the media. so, the idea that he did something legally to defraud the process, the only way to get to alternate electors as if a body, which is a court or legislative body makes that move. that hasn't happened since nixon versus kennedy in 1960, in hawaii. >> very quickly, wasn't it rudy giuliani who said, let's have trial by combat? >> it was, but -- >> isn't that incitement? >> now you are up against these first amendment issues. again, is it immediate enough, is it calling for violence clearly enough? is this seditious conspiracy? this is where it gets difficult. i honestly think they won't touch that because, you know, the got plenty of other stuff. >> and just quickly, jen, the intersection between the

georgia fulton county investigation, and jack smith's investigation, they were both going on, they are going on concurrently. who is going to go first? >> it's unusual, you know, normally doj would try to stop this data from doing this. way back when, they kind of pulled back and let georgia go ahead. i don't know what's going to happen. oh i'm sure they are talking, because trump's stem card is getting very full as far as charges and trials. >> that and the a. >> the feds will want to go first because, of course, if trump were to be elected again, that is the one he can mess with. he can mess with georgia at the same way. >> it feels like a lock is coming to a head right now. thank you all very much for the expertise. when we come back, chris christie calls donald trump childish, and says he is the cheapest person he's ever met. >> he's the cheapest person i've ever met in my life. that is why. what he's very good at, caitlin, is spending other peoples money. >> all right, more of what christie just said on cnn.

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candidate chris christie appearing on cnn this evening, and explaining what he hears on that exclusive audio tape obtained by cnn of donald trump discussing secret classified documents during that 2021 meeting at his golf club. >> he is the consummate show off, and i think that is what that tape was, him showing off. people asked me, going back to the time of the rate last year, of mar-a-lago, like, why would you keep these documents? people are like, is he going to give them to a foreign government, sell them to somebody, or blackmail people? like, you don't understand donald trump. it's just to show off. he wants to continue to act like he is president. he can't live with the fact he's not. so, that is why he kept those documents. it seems childish and stupid, and it is, but that is the reason why, in my view, he's kept them. >> joining us now, cnn senior political analyst, john avalon, john miller is back, we are joined by rolling stone

columnist ej mickelson, and new york republican surrogate joe pinion. great to have all of you. okay, john, i think kristi is enjoying this unplugged moment that he is having right now. he is speaking his mind about particularly donald trump. we'll get to what he says about desantis in a second. what do you think about what christie is doing, and is it effective in helping him move up in the polls? >> i think authenticity is what voters respond to, and you clearly, the unplugged moment, is him able to tell the truth, and the problem with republicans right now is that they try to tiptoe around donald trump for fear of offending him or some part of the base, and when you are liberated from that, to tell the truth about position of knowledge, i think that has a compelling cameras around it. it's one of the reasons i think christie should not be written off as a candidate who is going to soften him up. i think the town hall the other day, he reminded people he's got uncommon political talents. >> do you see that as a republican, joe? >> look, this is a man that every major donor in the country begged to run for president in 2012, and i think,

if he had run for president in 2012, he would have won. so, the unfortunate reality for chris christie is that it's very difficult to try to impugn the integrity of president trump without alienating voters that still support him. so, it has the unintended consequence of putting you behind the eight ball, at a time when you are trying to go on the offensive, namely to win a primary. that is what he is up against. i think the other part of it as we target to tell voters what they care about. that's politics 101. part b of that, if we don't get to tell them to care about my issue for the reasons i want you to. yes, i think you can talk about the real problems and tragedy of january 6th. you could talk about the issues that president trump has in some way that he's brought on himself. none of that gets to the compelling interest of what most republican primary voters want to talk about, namely the economy and -- >> here's my problem. does that extend to the truth? i mean, he's a you can't tell voters what they care about, not my issue.

isn't leadership required telling people the truth? >> to be clear, i don't think that you have a preponderance of people who are running for president in newark or around the country who are outright lying to voters. i think they're focused on how they win the primary. yes, i think -- >> that's a means to an end for some. >> i think if you are going to sit here and say, yes, chris christie has cards of convictions [inaudible] to question that. he's an accomplished man, he's done many things. if you are talking about raw politics, how do you win the primary, and more importantly, how do you beat president trump, i don't know if the path he's on is going to get in there. >> hold on, hold that thought, because i want to play what he just said about rhonda scent is. ron desantis had a town hall, a student, i believe, a high school student, asked him what his thoughts were on january 6th, and if donald trump tried to destroy democracy, basically paraphrasing with students at, and around is that the said something to the effect of, well, i wasn't there that day. it's time to move on. i believe it's time to move on. i try not to think about what

happened. here is chris christie responding to that moment. >> he wasn't anywhere near washington. did he have a tv? was he alive that day? did he see what was going on? i mean, that's one of the most ridiculous answers i've heard. people were killed, caitlin, as you know, that day, on capitol hill, defending the capitol. we had members of congress who were running for their lives. we had people trying to hunt down the vice president of the united states, chanting, hang mike pence, and donald trump, the entire time, sat outside the oval office, that dining room of his, eating away all done she's burger, and watching tv, and doing nothing to stop what was going on, until it got to the point where even he could no longer stand it. >> jay? >> i'm perplexed by these responses, i never thought in 1 million years i'd be saying that chris christie would be the wise for moral reason and

moral contrast in this moment. he is in part that person, the one person who is speaking truth to power, showing that the emperor has no clothes. in that clip, you can see he can't seem to help himself, being the other chris christie, the one who is kind of a bully, says mean insults, you know, the cheeseburger thing, and i just wonder, you know, maybe that plays with voters. it feels to me he has a lane here that is, again not one that i would expect given chris christie's passed with closing planes to enter bridges, for example. that lane is being the voice of reason in the republican party. there are a lot of republicans, i think i'm standing next to one, who would appreciate some truth and some reason from their candidates. the question is, as joe says on this show, pretty much every other week, it's a winner take all primary in the republicans. it's not clear that point of view will be the want to prevail. maybe chris christie, i can't believe i'm saying this, may go down in history as one of the valuable voices of this year. >> your thoughts, john? >> chris christie has a unique role, which is the thing that makes them different here, which is, you know, the one who

undertake crowded field with a wig, a chair, and a gun as the guy who was going to keep donald trump cornered by making these statements. he does it in the form and format of a former federal prosecutor who keeps coming back to the crimes, the violations, the legal analysis as well as the political characterizations. he is becoming formidable for being different in a field where mike pence struggles with no one is above the law, but he should go to jail, and nikki haley flip flops -- >> their numbers are higher, today, higher than chris christie's. >> and we are very early, and people are just getting accustomed to someone speaking frankly and truthfully. it's kind of a new concept in this conversation. so, we have to see how it plays out, but the key is he stands out. >> that's right. >> i've got to leave it there, joe. thank you all very much. we have new video to show you of how a police officer responded when he realized an active shooter was loose in a shopping mall. that is next.

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seatbelt safety. so, let me just play what happens next. >> make sure you be good, okay? make sure you wear your seatbelts when mommy is driving, okay? do you understand okay? yes, all right, you'd be good. seatbelt. >> wow. >> i think we've got shots fired at the alamo. they're moving further away from me. go, go, go, keep moving. get out of here. >> we're going to play more of that, but those are the first moments. what did you see in that one? >> what you see is what 90% of a police officer life as, which is playing mister policeman.

he's talking about safety with their kids, and it's a fascinating moment because when you look at it, you hear bangs, and while they are processing, that sounds like gunfire, what does mom do? she gathers up the kids and moves out. he gets the patrol rifle from the vehicle. this used to be the moment where you call swat. everybody has an ar-15 in their patrol car because that is the new world, and one man patrols out there. what does he do? he literally starts running towards the gunfire. he needs it because that is -- he doesn't know where he is, he is following the sound. >> let's show that, following the sound of gunfire. he is alone. he is trying to call for backup. how much -- let's watch this. >> i got it. >> this is him running, and he is running all around the mall, okay? he has giron. this is not -- it's not easy to run during all of this, right? he has heavy gear on. >> right.

he is yelling at people to get away. he is talking on the radio simultaneously, saying this is where i'm passing. the unit is nowhere to respond. he has called it in, when the mom and child were running away, shots fired at the outlet mall. he is doing a lot at once while trying to follow the sound of the gunfire, and maintain birth control because he knows he is likely going to have to engage this person. >> let's hear what happens. at some point, from a distance, he sees the gunman. let's listen to that. [inaudible] >> got a male, i'm moving up on

him. police is behind me. watch your fire. watch your fire! i've got him down. >> i mean, that is from a long distance, he sees him, he shoots him, he is all alone. he had to do all of this in split seconds. i know that might not -- you might not be marveling at the way that we all are, but how police officers lives can turn on a dime like that. >> well, it's interesting. if you take it into context of what we just saw, what does he know? he knows he is going against a heavily armed assailant. how does he know that? simply by the number of shots he's heard, he knows this person has a giant supply of ammunition, and probably a long gun by the sound of it. he is running towards that danger. he is trying to clear people away, update the department on the radio, and, you know, as he stops hearing the gunfire, and it goes quiet, every corner he comes around, he is saying, am

i running into an ambush? so, i think that is such a remarkable video. we saw that, we saw it in nashville, at the school. we saw it at louisville, in the bank. we have seen the flipside. if you take this week, alison, what are we going through? we've got three officers indexes who opened fire far too quickly on a woman who was charging at them with a hammer. they are charged with murder now. you have scott peterson in florida, in parkland, on trial, literally, for not doing what we saw here. it underscores that being a police officer is complicated under pressure, being driven by fear, trying to control that, and make sensible decisions. >> so, john, the backstory, or more to flush out the story, eight people died. that shooter, that active shooter, k killed eight people shopping on any given day at a mall in america, and that police officer killed him. >> yes, and it was entirely

justified. i think what john miller is saying is that video reminds us of the essential heroism of crops from being a role model to kids, to their video camera showing him running towards that danger, literally in the same moment. >> and the same moment. that's how he has to flip the switch and his own mind, absolutely. gentlemen? >> we need fewer of these incidents, you know? i mean, i got that chills watching this video, the third or fourth time i've seen it, preparing for this segment. it's truly what heroism is. we, as a society, have to do better so that people, individuals, police officers, don't have to put themselves in this kind of harm's way. >> i think you juxtapose that with what happened in uvalde, and certainly we recognize the need for people who raise their hand to be able to act when called upon. we've gone from a world where police officer should go their entire career not having to register their weapon, to an instance like this. we should be doing everything humanly possible to curve these

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bacterial infection which led to a several day stay in the icu. her health is improving, however she is still under medical care. a full recovery is expected, and quote. madonna's 64 years old. this infection has forced her to postpone her latest tour which was set to kick off next month. let's get the latest now with cnn correspondent omar jimenez, and dr. debbie, an associate professor of rehab medicine at nyu school of medicine. okay, omar, what do we know at this hour? >> for starters, sources telling cnn that she is out of the icu, which is good, but according to her manager, she was in the icu for days, which, of course, indicates how serious this was, what they were dealing with. also, he said, as you said, that this was a bacterial infection, a very serious one, that she was dealing with. we know it is serious because she is someone who is almost notorious for battling the elements that she's had physically. so, the fact that she is now,

essentially, out of service, that we don't know how things are going to move forward, i think, in its own, indicates how severe this actually is, even if we don't have it verbally at this point. >> doctor debbie, what kind of bacterial infection last somebody in the icu for days? >> well, and a bacterial infection can. it could start out at any place, you know? you could get a scrape on the skin, you could have a purposeful cut, like if someone has surgery and it becomes infected, like a wound. sometimes, at that age, it could be a urinary tract infection, for simple, for, let's say, an elective procedure like a colonoscopy. the main thing is, usually, it has to spread to the blood because in order to end up in the icu it has to be something interfering with your ability to get oxygen nutrients to the brain and the organs. they have to be in danger of failing. your heart has to be having problems actually getting those things to the brain and organs. >> we've heard she had a hip replacement in 2020. does not -- that lend itself to bacterial

infections? >> it could become a nest for infections. the problem is it may not be the hip prosthesis is infected. that may not be the source of the infection. if someone is infected, let's say she has sepsis, which is bacteria in the blood, if she has sepsis, it can always be a source of bacterial infection in the future. sometimes, what people will do, they will remove the hardware, and the person has to go back after a course of antibiotics for weeks, and have a new hit put where that hip replacement was. we don't know for sure. i'm not treating her. it definitely complicates the whole process. >> why does she have to postpone her tour? if it wasn't happening until next month, is that thinking that she won't be well by then? >> i think that is the clear part in the unclear right now, which is, her manager has said they are trying to work out when this new tour would start, and this is a tour that, i mean, we are talking 80 shows, at least 40 cities across north

america, europe, so many different places, a huge tour for anybody, especially someone who is 64 years old. the fact that, i think, they don't have a definite time period for when she could restart is indicative of where we are. also, as we mentioned, you know, she's battled through a lot of these types of injuries in the past, or not these types, but injuries in general. back in late 2019, early 2020, she had to postpone or cancel certain shows of her madame ex tour because she said she was going through more pain that she never gone through in her life. a year later, she reveals she had hip replacement surgery because of overwhelming pain. she said at the time, not only has you said she is a bionic woman, but also that she says she doesn't believe in limitations, which, i think, will give us insight maybe to how she mentally is trying to handle this latest episode. obviously, this bacterial infection, very different from the pain that she would've experience in the past. >> does she have to be iv

antibiotics? is that the solution? >> most likely. she's been on iv antibiotics in the icu. if this hip prosthesis is an issue, she might have to continue with that. on the other hand, it depends what landed her in the icu. if it's a bacterial infection, or something else that complicated the bacterial infection, and that is what kept her in the icu, so it may depend. just to follow up on what you said, her positive attitude, and her work ethic might be a good prognostic factor here. usually, if you have a serious infection, it is where you start that predicts how you are going to end up afterwards. it is not just the infection. if somebody is in bad shape before they get this infection, it is hard for them to bounce back from that. for somebody starting at such a high-level, that is a good sign for her and the future. on the other hand, the stress of that war might have been, maybe, what predisposed her also to being amino compromised, maybe her diet was off. there could be other factors that complicated this. >> well, she is bionic, so, her manager says she's expected to

have a full recovery. we hope so. devi nampiaparampil, omar, thank you for that. the supreme court's biggest decisions are expected this week, including one on affirmative action. john avlon has our reality check for us about whether affirmative action works. that is next. action, and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the twenty twenty-t-three best mainstream automotive brand, according to consnsumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. solterra, forester, outback, crosstrek, ascent, impreza, and legacy. it's easy to love a brand you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru.

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just two days left in the supreme court's term, and some major decisions still expected to come down. on president biden's student loan program, on whether businesses can deny services to lgbtq customers. and on affirmative action, specifically whether colleges and universities can use race as a factor in admissions. if the justices rule against

that practice, colleges and universities would no longer be able to take race into consideration. let's get it over to cnn's john avlon for a reality check, john? >> that's, right allie. in the next two days americans can expect a much anticipated decision from the supreme court about affirmative action. specifically the role of race in university admissions. affirmative action as we know it started with presidential executive orders in the 1960s. but universities really began embracing it in the wake of cases destination. for example, in the fall of 1969, according to the new york times. harvard increase the number of african american freshman from 51 the previous year to 90 in a class of 1200. other colleges started to move in the same direction. and according to data from the national center for education statistics, diversity in college enrollment increased each decade between 1980 and 2020. now of course americans society has grown more diverse as well. white students for example made up around in a few percent of graduates in that unity, but only 54% in 2020.

>> when you say this, numbers it is fair to say that affirmative action worked? i mean, what do the polls say? >> >> there is a paradox here, right? a brand-new poll found that the majority of americans believe that racial and ethnic discrimination is a major cause for our political divisions. but a washington post poll last year also shows a broad majority of americans say they favor leaving race out of college admissions. that was reaffirmed by a few research centers serving earlier this month. which found that not even a majority of black americans support affirmative action. 47%, followed by three 9% of hispanic respondents and 37% of asian response, and 20% of red folks. perhaps most surprising is that 85% of black americans and 20% of hispanics say they have actually been disadvantage by efforts to increase diversity. with 20% of black americans surveyed saying that people assume they might have benefited unfairly. in fact, get this, the biggest divisions under primitive action or partisan. and why democrats support affirmative action at a higher rate when black democrats. 59 to 50%. they are about equal on

disapproval. look, the polls is just a snapshot in time. while race has always been a fundamental for mine in american politics, thanks to the legacy of america's regional set of slavery. we've got a long way to go before we achieve a genuine multi racial democracy. now if the supreme court does overturn and serving -- we can't know exactly what the impact will be. but an analysis of medical school enrollment found that the number of students from under wraps and racial ethnic groups federal by around a third just five years after some states banned affirmative action programs. now, the supreme court chooses amended not ended path? by moving for restrictions to clot giving students from lower income families a boost from college admissions, it might have some of the same net effect. then a fitting economically -- across the demographics question. for whites as well for both americans. that might be a way to constructively people rise this debate. making more progress towards equality of opportunity and social mobility as we continue our constant work to form a more fork union. and that is your reality check. >> john, thank you for all of

that those are really interesting and probably unexpected numbers for a lot of. people come back to join us. joe, what happens if affirmative action goes away on college campuses? >> well, look, i think a few things happen. i think number one, we talk a little bit about this in the green room, we have already had a live experiment for what happens when affirmative action goes away in california. they got rid of affirmative action via the voter referendum in 1990. >> and a number of blacks since dropped. >> we saw the next year at ucla the most competitive school in california, african enrollment went down about 40%. there was a professor from princeton university, who actually tracked the long term impact of that decision. and we found that over 15 to 20-year period long term economic impact down about 5%. so we know in a vacuum that getting rid of affirmative action does have a negative impact. the issue is, and for me i think perhaps the opportunity is to say that is this the best way to make sure that we are actually achieving the quality that we set out back in >> --

is it? >> i don't think that we are. if you are looking constructively, at why it is we even still need the program? it's because school by school state by state city by city we have public schools that are failing our children. we know this on equivocally. so whatever you think the remedy to that and should be? i think we spent so much time talking about how much do we help these people catch up. we spend less time talking figuring it out -- >> i am glad that joe is showing up for a robust department of education and federal funding of public schools and i am all for that, that sounds great. >> school choice, my friend. >> clearly around on -- we should understand from -- ivan writing on the supreme court for 15 years, this is almost certainly the result that affirmative action will be overturned. there's a helpful to understand to. things first, that it is improper according to federal locked his ruminate on the basis of race. the question is whether there is a compelling state interest that justifies that. when we look at some of the numbers, the achievement gaps

and support that we just mentioned. it is hard to argue that that is not a compelling state interest that justifies something that otherwise would not be justified. but it doesn't look like that is the cards for the supreme court. and i think one of the major reasons is that progressives in particular have muddied the waters ethically about this issue. americans care about fairness. right? its primary value. affirmative action seems to offend the value of fairness. and progressive have done a terrible job of explaining that fairness both individual and also collective. that it is not fair for everybody to just have a certain equal shake one as joe just said some people haven't had an eagle shake for the first 15 to 18 years of their lives. but i really actually have to say that i blame progressives and democrats in particular for failing to explain why affirmative action is in line with primary core american values of fairness and equality. and so we have lost the moral debate as we are soon to lose the traditional debate. >> jen? >> here is the little issue. for 40 years the supreme court has said that diversity is a compelling state interest.

that because these schools and a lot of these are private schools, want to compose their classes using diversity as one of their core values, that they are allowed to do that because that is a compelling state interest. for the court to not say, which i agree that they are primed to do, that they are not going to allow that anymore, then that requires them to not sort of nuance this and massage this and say, oh, well we said that and this is a little bit different. but to actually overturn. that to say that what we have said more than once over the last 40 years we no longer want to go with. because we are and ideologically different court than exist about them. this is not so dissimilar from last year's dobbs decision. overturning roe v. wade. they are saying that we are a different court than we feel differently about this issue. so we are gonna rule in the opposite direction. >> you think that's how they're gonna go? or will this be history has changed and i wonder if this will be a that pullover statement tomorrow or if it will, be well, if the world has changed now this remedies it. >> they may try beside o'connor statement but it is so defined by the facts in this case. i don't think they can get away with. it >> thank you all very much, really interesting conversation,

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