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madonna to postpone some of the world to. longtime manager posting that she is now recovering from a serious bacterial infection. so serious that she was in intensive care for days. a source close to madonna tells cnn that she is out of the icu. it's expected to make a full recovery. obviously tonight we are saying our best to her. thank you so much for joining us for this news packed hour tonight. cnn tonight with abby phillip starts right now. >> thank you caitlin, good evening everyone. i am abby phillips and this is cnn tonight. it is the tale of two tapes. special counsel jack smith's investigation into elected interference in the 2020 election heating up today. investigators interviewing georgia secretary of state brad

raffensperger. former president donald trump's nemesis called him in january 2021. pressing him to find votes that trump needed to win the state of georgia. a state joe biden won by nearly 12,000 votes. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one way that we have. because we won the state. >> so, where is the special counsel's january six investigation headed? we will discuss that, and he's already indicted, president trump, in the mar-a-lago case while trump and his allies keep changing their explanations about that audio recording that cnn exclusively obtained. where trump is on their discussing what -- and seems to wave around classified documents. so this is what he said about it before cnn got the exclusive tape. >> there was no document. that was a massive amount of papers and everything else,

talking about iran and other things. and it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a documents. i didn't have a document per se. there was nothing to declassify. these were newspapers, articles, and magazines. >> and then on monday, cnn actually obtained the audio itself. here's what it said. >> well with milley, let me see that. i'll show you an example. he said that i wanted to attack iran. isn't it amazing how a big -- look. this was him. yeah they presented me this, off the record. they presented me this. this was him, this was the defense department and him. >> wow. >> this was him. this wasn't done by me, this was. him it's pages long. let's see here. isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know. except, it is highly

confidential. this is secret information. >> speaking to fox news digital yesterday, trump insists that he did nothing wrong. and he claims that he did not see that recording. but he also says quote, you hear the russell of the paper. the former president also saying that he had a whole desk full of papers, including copies of different plans and news articles covering many, many subjects. so, where exactly are those plants? well, a trump campaign spokesperson told cnn's kristen holmes that he was actually referring to political plans. but then, trump himself later told reporters this. he said, did i use the word plans? what i am referring to is magazine, newspapers. plants of buildings. i had plans of buildings. you know, building plans. i had a lot of golf courses. plans for golf courses. so i want to start now with cnn's senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid, as

well as cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. so paula, let's start with you. brad raffensperger coming in to the interview today by the special counsel, seems pretty significant. especially coming after we found out that really giuliani was also questioned. what does that what does that tell us tonight about the state of the investigation? >> those two interviews, along with the rest of our reporting certainly suggest that they could be nearing a charging decision. we have seen an uptick in activity in recent weeks. with giuliani we don't know specifically what he was asked about, but we do know that he was subpoenaed for information about payments and money he received around the time that he was filing all those legal challenges against the 2020 election. but abby, that subpoena, that was sent over six months ago. and then jack smith goes over the investigation, giuliani didn't hear a word until recent weeks.

and that raises questions about whether he could be a target. because usually if you are contacted this late in an investigation, it suggests that you may not just be a witness, you could also be at risk for possible charges. it's unclear if you will be charged. and yeah with raffensperger, an incredibly key witness, certainly not someone who's expected to be a target, but he can speak to that conversation in january 2021 that he had with trump, because we know that it was part of this very expensive -- he is looking at the pressure that is being applied to states like georgia to overturn their election results. >> that's really fascinating what you pointed out there about giuliani. gloria, on president trump, he is still lashing out against his most recent indictment. but there is this real prospect of another indictment potentially dropping over his involvement in january 6th. how concerned should he be about this one? >> i think he should be concerned about all of them. i think the question, and i'm not quite sure how jack smith is going to work it out with -- in georgia, who is also investigating the question of false electors, but i think he

needs to be worried about all of them. the question is, what did the president know about these false electors? did he order them? we don't know the answer to those questions, but we do know that jack smith pursued the mar-a-lago case first. the documents case that may perhaps be because it's a little more clear cut, and now clearly is moving on to this question of rigging the election. and perhaps even the insurrection. so, if i were the former president of the united states, and i saw these things piling up, i would be, yes. i would be really concerned about it. and you know this abby. even though his poll numbers are going up, it becomes a wallpaper of the campaign. and, it is going to be about what some of the other

candidates like chris christie we just heard, was on with kaitlan, are going to be talking about. it will be an ether, and more and more people might start asking themselves questions about whether they want somebody with this kind of baggage. >> yeah. it's certainly going to be something that he has to contend with. paula, i do want to ask you about trump's response to that cnn exclusive audio recording, where he is there as we played earlier talking about these classified documents. what is he saying tonight? >> now he is saying that this was just all bravado, and abby, as a fact check, i don't think that is untrue but that certainly doesn't absolve you of potential criminal responsibility when you can hear him on the recording saying that he retained government secrets, even after he left the white house, and admits that he did not have the power to declassify them as he appeared to be trying to share them with a room full of people without clearances. let's look at his full

statement. to he said quote, i would say it was bravado. if you want to know the truth, it was bravado. i was talking and just holding up papers and talking about them, but i had no documents. i didn't have any documents. but of course, we know he says and the recording something that was not included in the indictment, but cnn found in that recording, he says that these are the papers. silence is an option here. he doesn't have to talk about this. but all of this is going to be admissible in court, and now in order to have the jury believe what he is saying now, he has to convince them that he lied on the recording. he was lying to a room full of people. so one way or the other, he is kind of boxed himself into some serious credibility issues before a jury. >> imagine trying to convince a jury that your ally are, and that's a good thing. >> what about the american people, gloria? to your point, we just laid out all of the different versions of the explanations here. there is a jury who needs to buy that, but also american

voters would need to buy that. what do you think? >> look. i think there's a base of people who are going to support donald trump no matter what. they are going to think it's a hoax, they are going to think it's a weaponized justice department, and we have heard all of that, including from many republican members of congress. i think as you go down the road here, and you start seeing the president, particularly in his own words, and then you see a president dissembling, people are going to start scratching their heads and say you know, even if i liked donald trump, maybe i don't want to go through this again. maybe i have had enough of this. and that's what we are hearing among republican voters. i would not say that it's a crescendo, i would say that he is very, very far ahead in the polls. but it's early. it's not late. and i think when you have someone like chris crispy and asa hudson sun taking on the former president directly, he i think that is going to have an impact. >> well, we will find out soon

enough. gloria and paula, thank you both very much. i want to now turn to conservative lawyer george conway. george, thank you for joining us here tonight. we were just discussing this issue of whether trump's explanations are believable. i want to play here what former governor chris christie had to say about that. he is getting cornered. i think the latest law is the one that he said just yesterday, where he said it was just bravado. he is essentially saying he was lying to the people he was sitting with. mark meadows biographers and his own staff. but, let me tell you something. that's what he does. he admitted that he had the documents, he knew about the grand jury subpoena, but he was cute busy to go through the boxes. to see what was classified and what was it. and he didn't want to just turn the boxes over because he had golf shirts and golf pants and they're. i mean, come on. there is nobody in america who believes that story.

>> so george, i assume all of these public statements are potentially admissible in court. how much they matter? >> they matter a lot. because, he is lying about everything. we all know, we've had experiences when people have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, dealing with people who are telling lies and making up stories. nothing like this, he is just not very good at it. but he is a pathological liar, he will say anything that comes to his head at any given moment to convince somebody to divert attention, or to convince somebody that accusations against him is untrue. but the problem is that he has no defense. we have been watching this since last august, and they have yet to come up with a coherent, factual, or legal defense to these charges. and the reason is is because he did it. he did it, and it was illegal. and there is just no argument that he has. and that's why you see him cycling and feeling about, and going from saying the fbi planted the documents, i was entitled to the documents, i didn't have any documents, literally, there is no lie that he --

i think he's run out of lies. the last one where he saying that these were plans for a golf course or something like that? i know that the pentagon does own some golf courses somewhere, but it's ridiculous. that's not what he was talking about and we have the tape. >> we will find out if there are more explanations to come for sure. but on this special counsel investigation to january 6th, what does it say to you that brad raffensperger was brought in to testify today? >> yeah. again, georgia is going to be one threat. it's a very complicated case, which is why i think as gloria just pointed out a couple minutes ago, it's why i think the special counsel proceeded with the documents case, which is just a single timeline. whereas -- is multiple timelines, people doing various things and trump being involved basically everywhere, trying to get the vice president to violate the law, trying to create slates of fake electors, trying to

persuade the secretary of state in georgia raffensperger and people in michigan in other states. it's just very complex. but the raffensperger thing is really significant because there is the tape. and you are putting raffensperger on to explain the context of how the tape came about, is very, very important. and when you combine -- >> do you think the tape alone though is enough to substantiate a some kind of charge here when it comes to trump? >> i don't think that it's enough, but you have to remember, it's pretty significant. he's basically asking for one more vote than he needs to win the election. he did -- he is annexing -- it's not legitimate count. he is basically asking somebody to fix the result. but you have to do that in the context of all the evidence that we've seen so far that came out, especially during the january 6th committee hearings in the house. and how basically everybody told him, everybody with every sense, lawyers in the government, lawyers out side the government, his own attorney general, his own staff, and everybody was telling him,

you lost buddy. you lost. and that's the context. >> he is just pushing all of this anyway. so george, also today, if there weren't enough illegal dealings having to deal with former president trump, he was -- >> there's only going to be more. >> he was countersuing e. jean carroll for defamation after a jury found that he was liable for sexual salt and that he defamed her. so it's important to point out here that carroll testified that a conversation with you in 2019 led her to seriously consider suing trump. but, do you think that trump has a case here, a counter case

to sue her for defamation? >> it is the most ridiculous thing. we've seen so much that's ridiculous. this is one of the more ridiculous things we've ever seen. because, the fact of the matter is, the jury found that he sexually molested jeanne. and, whether it's technically rape under new york law or not, it would be rape in many other states what the jury found that he did. but the jury didn't find that she was not raped. they said, we find that it was sufficient for the purposes of the verdict that they find that she was sexually molested. in a very unspeakable fashion. so, it's any libel case that he seeks to bring upon a proposition that he didn't commit technical rake under new

york law, is just ridiculous. and i think what we're going to see is alina hubbub, who filed this thing, joe tacopina didn't dare file this, i think she's going to get sanctioned like she did in florida, by the judge in florida with that case involving the dnc. >> interesting. so be watching that as well. george conway, thank you as always. and just ahead, followed from the rebellion in russia. serious questions tonight about a top russian generals whereabouts, amid reports that he knew about that plans in the insurrection. they'll be here in 5, we ready? - there's uh... - oh. left. left. i don't have it. i don't have it. - keep going. - we should've used behr. yeah. today let's paint. right now, get america's most trusted paint brand at a new low price starting at $28.98. behr. only at the home depot.

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>> questions mount tonight of the whereabouts of russia's former top commander in ukraine. sergei certainly can. reportedly has not been seen since friday. it comes as the new york times reports survey can might have had advanced knowledge of the wagner boss's plans to rebel against russia's military leadership. i want to bring in now, former defense secretary william cohen. secretary cohen, what do you think is going on with sergei? do you believe he might have been aware of this attempted insurrection? >> abby, thank you for having me on this evening. we are really in the land of speculation at this particular point. we really don't know. what i think we are seeing is,

the longer he stays out of the public eye, the longer it is before he comes home to his wife. who said he had not come home from work yet. so a long day at the office the past week. but the longer he is away, the more suspicion and speculation is going to be that he represents more than just one individual. but there were other military men who shared the same view about the war. as prigozhin did. so i think that will raise the level of anxiety that president putin has got to have his neck on a swivel. turning around 360 degrees sank who is with me. who is against me? and he basically is walking down in the kremlin a hall of merits. on reflection from reality. and again, who is a patriot, who's a traitor? right now, he has got to be very suspicious on the people of his closest advisory team. both the government and also the military. >> no question about that. because just the mere fact that

prigozhin could've gone this far is an indication that something was amiss in the kremlin. but as you pointed out, putin is trying now to double down on his support. he put out this video today of him being surrounded almost accosted by cheering supporters. it's just one of multiple appearances that he has made since the rebellion. few of them i should say are live. so what message is he trying to send here? >> he is trying to replicate what put grosjean was doing in southern russia. on the border. that he is getting a heroes welcome. he could not have that take place without a response. so he's showing that he is the man of the people. out there, representing the people. the rebellion army has been quelled and he is back in charge. and they should rest assured that there is not going to be disorder prevailing. stability is key to the russian psyche. and he is trying to say

everything is okay. the bad guys have been put down. and i'm still in charge. >> he is doing this in part because the reception prigozhin got, as you pointed out seemed to suggest a lot of popular support. maybe nascent popular support for opposition. do you think that there's evidence, even after putin has come out still in charge, after this weekend, that he might be losing his grip on russia in the way that some are suggesting? >> i think that he has two problems. on the one hand, prigozhin is saying look. you gave me billions but i want bullets. i've got the two billion or three billion dollars you gave me to help wage this war, but i need bullets and you're not giving them to me. so there was a rage's they're saying i'm in the frontlines with my troops, they're fighting in dying in you're not giving me what you need to give me to help win this war. that's one aspect, where the soldiers on the ground were supporting prigozhin and i believe that some in moscow and the military were also supporting him, saying we have to do more to win this war against ukrainians. the second part of it is, there are those i believe in the russian government who actually

agree with what prigozhin was saying. this is an unjust war that you are waging. and he called putin a liar. basically saying, you lied to the russian people into the world. this is not something that was a threat to you, ukraine was not thinking of advancing against you, so you have put russia in the crosshairs of the international community, with all of the sanctions. and so we are now pariahs in many parts of the world, and we are not gaining here on the battlefield, so he has people in his government questioning legitimacy of still being in ukraine at the same time, his military are saying you're not doing enough. so he is in a real box right now. he's got to show, i'm still in charge, i don't think he can afford to take any action that cuts the heads off a number of people right away. but those people who were involved in the planning in the support for prigozhin, i think they will eventually be missing in action. as will precaution.

>> and that message that you pointed out about the war being an ill-fated war, that coming from inside of russia means that the russian people probably heard it, maybe some of them, for the very first time. it's really significant what you just said. the secretary william cohen, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> coming up next, president biden embracing a noose catchphrase about the state of the economy as he runs for reelection in 2024. it's called, bidenomics. and we will break down what it means with one of the presidents top economic advisers, next. tide is busting laundry's biggest myth... that cold water can't clean. cold water, on those stains? ♪ cold water can't clean tough stains? i'd say that myth is busted. turn to cold, with tide.

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let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. >> president biden gave a major

speech on the economy. making a pitch to voters that the united states is heading in the right direction. he's embracing the term bidenomics, which is a play on reagan on mix. the president trying to claim credit for an economy where some indicators are trending in the right direction. although public optimism remains low. biden is aiming this message squarely at the middle class. >> bidenomics is about the future. bidenomics is another way of saying, restore the american dream. we invest in our people. we strengthen the middle class. we see the economy grow, and it benefits all americans. that's the american dream. 40 years of trickle down, -limited that dream. and for those except for those at the top. >> joining me now is jared bernstein, the chair of the white house council of economic advisers. jared, thank you for joining us. so i want to start with this.

gallup today released their economic confidence index, and it shows that americans are actually feeling slightly better. that number is ticking up there at the end. but, at the same time, they do remain overall pessimistic. and new ap poll shows 64% of americans disapprove of president biden's handling of this economy. i wonder, is bidenomics a re-brand that is trying to change these overall economic approval ratings? >> not so much that as a description of an economic theory on one hand, and very much a theory that's in practice on the other hand. that is bidenomics is already in our economy, generating some of those positive indicators that you mentioned in your introduction. look. we're talking about building at this economy, growing this economy from the middle out and the bottom up. and, doing so on three pillars,

abby. finally reversing a decades of disinvestment in this country, that was a symptom of trickle down economics. this idea that if you just cut taxes for the wealthy, somehow that's going to uplift the middle class. as the president just said, there's a decades of evidence to the contrary. so finally making smart investments in our public sector that crowd private investments from investors here at home. empowering and educating our workforce, and promoting greater competition. both to lower costs, very important for consumers right now, to continue the progress we've made on inflation. real progress, more work to do their. as well as giving small businesses a fighting chance in a world where there's been under trickle down, too much concentration on some key industries. >> so, you are a numbers guy. i'm going to throw one more at you. the ap had a poll out that found that only 40 put a sense of democrats, that's your party, think that the economy is doing well. i wonder, what do you think is behind that? why is it that so few of the presidents own supporters, presumptively, have such low

confidence in this issue? >> i think if you ask people about the components of bidenomics, some of the specifics about the current economy, you actually get pretty different numbers. so we know for example that peoples job satisfaction is at a 36 year high. and again, pillar to bidenomics, and empowered an educated workforce. we have an unemployment rate that has been below 4% for a year and a half in this country, and that is provided disproportionate opportunities to communities of color, to people that are often left behind in trickle down economies. so, that's one poll number that i think is quite important. if you then drill down further and ask people about the specifics of bidenomics, if you ask them about how they feel about infrastructure investment, about lower costs for prescription drugs, for insulin,

about broadband, the president announced a 42 billion dollar investment in affordable rural broadband in this country, because we know abby, that having access to high-speed internet is like economic oxygen, regardless of your address. those numbers pull -- those projects poll in the 70 75% range. so when you actually drill down and ask people about the granular aspects of what we're trying to do in bidenomics, we are starting to break through with i think more receptivity. >> so, one of the components of what you're discussing here, the kind of disconnect that we might be seeing, you have people who may have jobs but

well inflation is trending down, it's still there. it's still making them unable to afford as much as they would like to afford. that is still a factor in the economy. so what is the white house doing about that? >> yeah. as you say, inflation, about a year ago, was 9%. it's come down by more than half. so last seen at about 4%. but you're right. we've got more work to do, and we have components of bidenomics that push on that trend to keep it moving in the right direction. one of the things the president talked about is promoting competition to lower costs. how do we do that? well, one of the things he's been working on is getting rid of junk fees. another is to save consumers over five billion dollars a year when it comes to overdraft fees. helping small businesses, increasing the economies capacity, getting the ftc back in the business of promoting competition in industries where there is not enough of that. at the same time, one of the

things we're starting to see now, and this is key to your question, one of the things we're starting to see now are real wage gains. since the last nine or ten months, we finally seen wages beating inflation, but by small amounts now. we have to build on that, as inflation comes down, the job market remains solid. >> i do want to point out that you talked about a lot of things to reduce costs. relatively small things, but a lot of the big costs are food. housing, these are big things that take up a big chunk of people's paychecks. one last thing, we only have a few seconds jared, but you believe that there is a chance here in this next year of an economic recession? >> well first of all, let me just address. i know we have a few seconds, but it is really important to recognize that grocery costs have actually been coming down at a pretty fast clip. and not just inflation, but actually the price. the price of eggs is basically back down to where it was a year ago. in terms of a recession, look. if you look at where this economy is right now, the indicators that we used to

gauge recession, they're just not flashing anything like a recession. tight job markets, strong consumers. i told you about some real wage gains that we're starting to see, and biden no investment plans intend to keep that momentum going. so we like the kind of momentum we see. we think it's very complimentary to the announcements the president made today. >> all right gerry bernstein, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> and just ahead, debris from the destroyed titan submersible brought to shore, along with what is believed to be human remains. we will talk to a deep sea expert on here -- on where that investigation goes from here.

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do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. >> the u.s. coast guard says they have recovered what they call presumed human remains from the sea floor at the titan site. it comes on the same day that

huge pieces of the doomed titan submersible were unloaded on to a comedian pierre. it has been nearly a week since authorities confirmed the tragic implosion of the sub with five people on board. the debris will now be headed to investigators who will try to uncover more about how this disaster unfolded. joining me now is deep sea explorer and oceanographer david gallo. david thank you for joining us again here. this is grim news here from the coast guard. how will investigators now use what they have found put together the picture of what actually went wrong here with this sub? >> it will be very similar to an air traffic crash study. investigation. when we like to think about it is to treat it as a crime scene. so the robots, cameras, lasers, lidar. make a complete map of the site on the bottom of the ocean. because it is not very easily accessible. so you want to be able to take that back to the laboratory. two forensic experts.

the second part of course is to choose which to pick and not to pick. the coast guard have done an incredible gahr job in my opinion. and such a short time. so very big pieces obviously in those images. they were probably also picking up things this tiny as a memory card. a chip. because who knows what is on that. probably an awful lot of bits and pieces that are going to have to be analyzed. and i'm not sure. there are four countries involved where, that will be. i'm guessing it will be in the u.s.. but i do not know that for sure. >> it's interesting to see how large those pieces were. when people hear about an explosion, they know what to expect. but when we talk an implosion, what kinds of evidence really is left there from the inside of that sub? >> i would have guessed not a lot. i thought, including human remains i thought everything would be pretty well vaporized. because normally what we think

about is a sphere. you are in a capsule, and it collapses inwards. it generates incredible amounts of heat. then explodes outward. this, case institute. so few claps inside of the, to be may push things out the sides. in the front and the back. and you are looking at their, that ring and earlier it was the nose cone. i see plenty of wiring and things like that. so the probably is an awful lot there for them to go on really than just tiny bits of fragment. >> yeah. that is really interesting to look at that photo. where you see basically. the wiring very much intact. which is a little surprising to see. so david, i mean look as we go forward here, there will be a question of what went wrong. but then also how does this never happen again. what safety changes do you want to see going forward to prevent something like this from happening?

>> that's a good question abby. this is something that we always knew could happen in the business for 40 years. we expected something like this could happen. and here it finally did happen. and we are all kind of surprised by it. it's communities will start to gain close look at the entire process. was the design proper? was operations and technique proper? and then they will refine it. i am assuming it will take quite a bit of time. to get that taken care of. but you know, you could have all of the certificates in the plan, you could have a stamp of approval from the pope. that does not guarantee that you are going to have a safe trip to the bottom? the thing that you want to do is minimize risk. there is always risk. >> and the, ocean as many people have said to us is an incredibly unforgiving place. david gallo, thank you very much for joining us as always. >> just ahead for us, a major

health scare for a pop legend madonna. she developed a serious bacterial infection which sent her to the icu for a few days. we will have the latest on her condition coming up next. >>

>> a major health scare for madonna. the pop legend's manager released a statement saying that on saturday june 24th, madonna developed a serious bacterial infection. which led to a several day stay in the icu. her health is improving. however she is still under medical care. a full recovery is expected. and a source is now saying that she is out of the icu.

but that the situation forcing madonna, who was 64 years old to postpone her latest tour set to kick off next month. joining me now is cnn medical analyst dr. jorge rodriguez. he is an internal medicine in viral specialist. dr. rodriguez, this was really stunning. i think probably to a lot of people. the icu is very serious. but the icu for several days, what does that tell you? what do you think happened here? >> i think, i also heard reports that she had been intubated. which meant that she had a tube in her mouth to, or long's. breathing for her. so that in of itself is very serious. you just do not do that as a precautionary measure. it tells me that madonna had probably a very disseminated infection. it could have been a pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. caused her not to be able to breathe. and either when they call the paramedics, and i hope they did. or what you got to the emergency, room they immediately started breathing

for her. and integrating. her again, that is supposition because we know very little. the fact that she was in the icu and they have already identified this is a bacterial infection, also leads me to believe that she may have been septic. which means that some sort of bacterial infection overwhelmed her blood stream. and lowered her blood pressure. maybe even just stopped her breathing temporarily. or slowed it down. so it sounds like it was very and still could be very serious. >> absolutely. we do not know a whole lot of her medical history but we do know that she previously underwent a hip replacement surgery back in 2020 due to an injury during the last two. what kind of role could that play in her health right now? >> it could play a big role. and that is coming from somebody who he himself, me had an artificial knee put in a couple of years ago. if you do not have any foreign body in your body, meaning if you do not have any metal. usually your body's own tissue

fights off a bacterial infection. however, if you have an inanimate substance in your body. there is no tissue with white blood cells to fight off infection. so a titanium, hip titanium knee. even an artificial valve in your heart is a playground for bacteria. because they can start to reproduce there. so the fact that she had probably or maybe a very disseminated bacterial infection, and the fact that she has an artificial hip. raises the dangerous stakes i think considerably in her case. it may have nothing to do with it because she is three years out and usually the danger is on his two years. but it also maybe what is going on. so again, we do not know. >> that is a very interesting observation there. so she had this 84 performance to her. scheduled. over the course of about six months across north america, you have, united kingdom. madonna is also 64 years old.

i think that would be ambitious, even under the most healthy of circumstance. after experiencing something like this, what do you think are the prospects for that to her? >> i think, again we do not know everything but if they are mentioning it, this is not a subtle walking pneumonia. there is something more serious going on here. and probably it is a tour that may very well be canceled completely. especially if there is a serious infection. if this infection has gotten into the bones, into the prostatic hip, it may take months of continued antibiotics to completely get rid of it. so we will know hopefully more in the next few weeks. if she dares or wants to share it. not dares to share it. we obviously we should. well this could be something very serious. and the most important thing obviously is your health. not her to. and all of the exhaustion that

comes with it. which would tend make things worse. >> and we do certainly always show. madonna is a major legend for so many people. dr. rodriguez, thank you very much for sharing your expertise on all of that. >> thank you have. >> it is a question that a lot of people are now asking, especially in silicon valley. we'll tech titans elon musk in mark look at work actually get into a ring and fight each other? that is next.

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