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russia's president trying to show he's in full control. >> he's showing he's a man of the people, the rebellion of the mutiny has been quelled and he's back in charge. >> questions are now mounting about the whereabouts of sergey surovikin. >> if he's been arrested because he was involved with prigozhin and wagner, that's not good news for this general. >> this is the worst travel experience in my lifetime. >> the worry is whether airlines can handle the july h4th holida rush. >> expect delays, expect cancellations. >> i don't want to be in here anymore. >> there's no question with all
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h of these storms, it's created a lot of challenges for the system. >> president biden was questioned on the white house lawn about whether he was involved or aware of a text hunter allegedly sent to a chinese business partner in 2017. >> were you involved? >> were you? >> no. >> there were certain steps we weren't allowed to take that could have led us to president biden. >> the u.s. coast guard now says presumed human remains have been recovered from the wreckage of the titan submersible. >> the horizon arctic retrieved debris, in fact, large pieces of debris. >> i see plenty of wiring and things like that, so there probably is an awful lot there for them to go on. >> domingo german has thrown the 24th perfect game in baseball history! >> to accomplish something like this in my career, you know, something that i'm going to remember forever, be part of
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history, so exciting. >> for him to get that is just fantastic. s >> best story of the morning, and we'll get to that in a moment because our friend phil mattingly is obsessed with it. >> but everybody should be -- first off, no the fair, west coast game in oakland. yankees haven't exactly been fun to watch over the course of the last several days. domingo german hasn't been fun to watch over the last several starts but it was awesome to wake up this morning. >> i love this story for many reasons including what motivated him to have the perfect game. he just lost his uncle two days ago. here's where we begin with the 4th of july holiday travel rush that is kicking off today, the transportation secretary pete buttigieg says it could be a big test for airlines after the chaos that we have seen in recent days. already we're seeing nearly 600 delays and more than 350 flight
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cancellations in the united states, and it's just 7:00 a.m. united airlines says it's all hands on deck as it works to get out of a multiday scheduling meltdown, canceling more flights than any other airline since saturday. days of storms and other problems have left thousands of people stranded. let's get to our pete muntean at reagan national airport. good morning, pete. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. things are looking better today. this holiday travel rush is only just beginning. the faa says 52,000 flights are scheduled to fly today through u.s. air space. that is the biggest numbers we will see going into the july 4th rush, even though united airlines is the one that is really struggling. you mentioned it's canceled more than any other -- more flights than any other airline in the last few days, canceling 2,500 flights, delaying another 7,000. now, remember that united airlines ceo scott kirby put a lot of the blame for this on the federal aviation administration and its shortage of air traffic
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controllers, but transportation secretary pete buttigieg is really swiping back at that. he does admit that there is a shortage of controllers, but he says united really needs to look at the mirror here at its own problems. >> united airlines has some internal issues they need to work through. they've really been struggling this week, even relative to other u.s. airlines. but where we do agree is that there needs to be more resources for air traffic control. the staffing levels there are not at the level i want to see there. they don't leave us with a lot of cushion. if you have a few people call in sick or if you have an unusual event, it really spreads the system thin, and so we need to see higher staffing levels there. >> passengers for united have been waiting in lines for hours to try and get on new flights. in some cases they are not able to find a seat until monday. united airlines just put out its first statement acknowledging this meltdown since it began
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last weekend. it says pilots, flight attendants, customer service agents are working tirelessly to try and make it so the system can recover from this slow motion meltdown. it says we will be ready for the holiday travel rush, although now is the real test. remember, united airlines planned to serve 5 million passengers, the most passengers it has seen over the july 4th period since 2019. tsa anticipating screening 2.8 million people alone tomorrow here and at airports across the country, that's the biggest number we have seen since the pandemic downturn, poppy. >> hey, pete, poppy and i were trying to figure out, we showed this video of this terrifying moment, plane landing with its nose landing gear up. as you qualify as my only pilot friend, how this actually works, like the mechanics of what happened yesterday as a pilot, what did you see? what had to have been done to actually make this happen safely? >> the good news in watching
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that video, you can see the training of the pilots on full display. they were able to come in on one of the runways there in charlotte without the nose landing gear down. they told air traffic control they had an unsafe indication. they did a fly-by and went back around and came in and landed with the nose landing gear still up. it is a testament to the engineering of the airplane, how strong it is. you can see it came down in one piece. no big deal. the crew, the pilots, the passengers, 96 of them on board this delta flight, a boeing 1717. evacuated on those emergency slides. all is well that ends well. they did a pretty picture perfect job here, although the runway had been closed for a while compounding those cancellations and delays we've seen. >> pete, could you do that? >> i've never done it. i hope to never do it. maybe i could. we'll see. >> he's a pretty tall eve-- talented pilot. one of russia's top generals
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who reportedly knew that mercenaries were planning to launch an armed rebellion is apparently missing. cnn asked the kremlin about his whereabouts. they told us no comment. yesterday "the new york times" reported that the general knew about the plot and u.s. intelligence was trying to figure out if he actually helped to plan it. >> the moscow times is reporting that he is under arrest. they are citing russian defense sources, but we have not been able to independently verify that. there have been reports from russian military bloggers and other journalists that the general hasn't been seen in days and he might be under interrogation and that he hasn't been in contact with his family. nick paton walsh joins us live from kyiv. this general was once for a brief period of time, once the top commander of the war in ukraine? >> reporter: absolutely, and considered pretty competent and effective when he had that role. sergey surovikin was demoted and put in charge of the air force with a deputy role in the ukraine war after people
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considered over the winter that the fight around kherson had gone against the kremlin. now, he's also one of the few commanders that yevgeny prigozhin spoke complimentarily of. he was last seen on friday as this rebellion got underway appearing somewhat uncomfortable on a video essentially telling everyone to stand down. go back to their bases and not continue the march on moscow. he's not been seen since. it's important to point out value ri gerasimov has not been seen in public too. surovikin, suggesting in "the new york times" that perhaps he had full knowledge. i've been told by european intelligence officials there are hints that some of the russian military establishment may have had foreknowledge, perhaps he's been arrested.
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perhaps he's been sbeinterrogat. the issue really is until we see him healthy and in public, this speculation will continue to mount. and also, too, frankly, the suspicion will hang over surovikin probably indefinitely. now this is the beginning, i think, of what many observers think would be the fallout of the weekend. their suspicion in the russian military elite in putin's inner circle about who knew what. some of this perhaps planted in the western media to obviously hobble russia's chain of command. but this will continue to play out. the fear possible of purges or turmoil will continue to escalate, and it's going to make command and control for the war in ukraine for vladimir putin increasingly hard. they're doing very badly in terms of decision-making so far, but indeed what we're seeing now is generals turning on each other, pointing the finger, disappearing, having to appear in public looking healthy just to prove that they're okay and still in their job. that's going to be a massive
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distraction from the war in itself and remember too, it doesn't suggest that vladimir putin has a strong grip on power if we have all this doubt about where his key commanders indeed are. poppy. >> nick paton walsh live from kyiv, thank you very much. we're joined by david sanger, and white house and national security correspondent for "the new york times." david, i think it's important to take people behind the scenes in terms of what we identify in a kremlin response versus what a normal person would read. >> right. >> when the kremlin is talking about just speculation when they're asked about the whereabouts of a general, when the minister of it defdefense i commenting when they're asked about the whereabouts of a prominent general, my alarm bells go up immediately. yours? >> there is no such thing as a free no comment because no comments frequently tell you almost as much as a comment would. so the first thing they did in responding to "the times" story
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written by my colleagues was that it was speculation, right? that's not exactly a denial. and then they wouldn't say where he was. so why is this so critical to them? because part of the putin argument as he has tried to recover from the weekend has been to say the people were behind me and my military was behind me. this suggests that one of his senior generals was not, and it would be hard to believe that they would stage this with just one general. >> isn't that the key question is how many of these russian generals, russian military heads knew what prigozhin was planning? >> how many knew and how many just made sure they were out of town. i mean, the remarkable thing is that pprigozhin's force, only 6 or 7,000 of them, made its way unopposed down a main highway toward moscow and made it with 125, 150 miles of the capital
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having run into very little opposition. a little bit of air bombing and they took out -- it's clear that they killed a number of russian -- >> can i just ask you that before we move on to this other story that's fascinating this morning on the chinese spy balloon. bianna golodryga brought up the comparison to erdogan in 2016 and what happens when you're challenged in this way. you raised the question, what is more dangerous, a strong paranoid putin or a weaker paranoid putin. >> i think the answer is a weaker paranoid putin, right? putin was paranoid before this happened. he now has discovered he had really good reason to be paranoid. and so at this point he is trying to do two things, i think. one is establish that these fully in control, but secondly, if he's feeling cornered, if he's feeling like some of his military has moved against him and that the united states and nato are going tyo take advantae of that when they all show up in
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a week and a half's time for the nato summit, i think he is much more likely to threaten the use of his weapons to reveal the weapons that he's put in belarus, nuclear weapons he's put in belarus, to issue more threats than he would be if he was feeling in a strong position. >> issuing threats has not been something that he's been he has hesitant to do to some degree. i understand what you're saying, there are scales of an escalatory ladder in terms of the threats. do you feel like more dangerous in a weaker position means utilizing or delivering on those threats is more likely? >> well, i think you'll see a bunch of steps between now and god forbid an actual use. he's threatened, he's never actually moved any nuclear weapons. you know, we haven't seen any activity. that would be sort of the next thing to do to try to spook the united states. clearly he feels at this point that not only is the war not going well, but it's beginning to take a toll on his own
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military, and he can't be seen to lose this because if he loses, if he pulls back, maybe he'd get away with it, maybe not. you made a really good point, po poppy, about president erdogan, all thought in 2015 -- >> bianna's good tv. >> take it for yourself, this is tv, poppy. >> brutal business. >> it's pretty cut throat. you think the russian military is bad. the key issue here, i think, is that as putin sort of, you know, heads down this road we're going to have a lot of different moments where we're going to have to go see whether or not he, his activity, his actions have differed dramatically from what they were before. so far he's been playing to type. we don't know that that's going to continue along the way.
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>> if he follows erdogan's playbook, more journalists in danger of being in prison. >> erdogan survived it. >> just got reelected. >> we want to ask you real quick before we let you go -- i don't think we're letting you go, you're stuck with us. "the wall street journal" has a great piece out about about the chinese spy balloon shot down by the u.s. had u.s. components inside of it. i think your reaction was similar to mine, yeah, no kidding. i'm not knocking the journal reporting, it's great reporting. at that point, i think it underscores one of the very ti difficult elements that the u.s. is trying to do in the decouple versus de-risk, how do you blacklist certain things but not other things. what was your takeaway? >> this was with the iranian drone as well having all these u.s. parts. >> there's components in russian weapons systems that we've been trying to block off that they've been finding ways around. >> this is what 30 years of integrated economies bring you, right? there are u.s. components in chinese spy balloons. there are u.s. components in
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russian missiles. there are chinese components in u.s. spy satellites, and that is because we have gone to a world over the tpast 30 years where w thought it really didn't make any difference where it came from. the big difference was that you could get it reliably and at a low price. and now all of a sudden post covid as this sort of gathering cold war happenings with both the chinese and the russians, we're suddenly saying we can't afford to have supply scchains like this. we have historic connections that are going to be very hard to disentangle. so the white house can say that we are putting a high fence around a small yard, and just blocking the most high-tech components that would go into chinese military equipment. but the fact of the matter is you can't separate all of that out. we have american companies designing chips now to evade the commerce department restrictions. >> right.
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>> so that they can sell to china. perfectly legal and understandable. >> i want to talk about this for like three hours. you would too. i know you would. david sanger, stick with us. we've got a lot more to come including my favorite story. >> perfection. >> it's perfection. >> were you pointing at me? >> yeah, perfection. >> thanks, pal. >> every professional athlete strives for the idea of perfection. rarely is it ever achieved, wednesday night domingo german was perfect. >> esteury ruiz stands in his way. grounded to third, donaldson has it! there it is, perfection for domingo german! >> here's why this was absolutely awesome. domingo german was only the 24th person ever to throw a perfect game in a major league game, and he did it against a team that hadn't even been no hits since 1991. he owes a lot to his defense. you saw josh donaldson there,
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but especially first baseman anthony rizzo, made that diving stop in the fifth inning to preserve history. german becomes the first dominican born player to retire 27 straight batters in a single game. also became the fourth yankee to do it. david cohen was the last to throw a perfect game, he did it in 1999, just 88 pitches. a year before that boomer, david wells pulled it off. and don larson threw the only world series perfect game in 1956 game five against the brooklyn dodgers. how rare is a perfect game? think about it this way. more than 23,000 games have been played seasons the rlast one in 2012. since then, more than 54,000 home runs have been hit, more than 213,000 runs have been scored. there have been more than 407,000 hits. it's rare. let's put this in the historical conference. according to baseball reference, there have been more than
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237,000 games played in the league's 140-plus year history. and again, there have only been 24 of them that have been perfect. that means it only happens once every 9,0876 games. and that poppy harlow is why it is absolutely the best story in the world today. >> do you know i agree with you? >> i know. >> oh, on this one. on most sports stories i don't, but i love this story for so many reasons. someone at the table does not. david sanger, i am very sorry. >> well, it was a fabulous game, but i'm a red sox fan, and to see this after 11 years go to the yankees is just -- >> why are we letting him talk? should we let him talk at this at all? shouldn't you be banned from this panel? >> i probably should and may be at moments. >> you can't find baseball joy in a perfect game just because of a rooivalry. >> it just shows you what a narrow human being --
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>> i'm glad you said it. >> it was pretty fabulous to watch. also from a pitcher who hasn't had a fabulous season. >> unbelievable. >> what's so mystifying to me about this is that everyone loves the new york yankees and loves more than that new york yankees' fans and i just think -- >> as you noted, scrappy team, boot straps. >> boot straps, third place team with only 27 world championships. it's the least that the universe could do for struggling yankees fans. my goodness. >> i do want to point out for david sanger's benefit, phil mattingly doing the bill james breakdown, i loved that. 24 perfect games, four of them yankees. how does that make you feel? >> that is really hard. >> pedro martinez -- >> he actually had zero. just for clarity, i was doing some quick research -- >> you guys should see his screen right now. >> the red sox right now are in -- let me check the -- oh, they're actually in last place. >> that's right.
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>> i had noticed that. thanks, phil, for pointing it out. >> they're 4 and 6 in their last 10. >> i have just been going back to look at how like honus wagner was -- >> paraphernalia. >> thinking back to like you have to go to like 1904 to find a game that started off like this way. i'm deciding to sink myself into history and forget about the red sox for the moment. >> rational response. >> connie mac was the manager of the game you're talking about right now. he was like a young manager. >> you're in it now. >> we have to go to break, but just because you've gone way over time and the control room's not happy, we're going to send you to this break with this epic photo. every hour i said. >> every hour on the hour. >> there we go. >> there's the ohio state scholar athlete. >> yeah. the ohio state. >> i love the wristband. i'm sorry, i do. we'll be right back, guys.
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there were certain investigative steps we weren't allowed to take that could have led us to president biden. >> and you wanted to take them? >> we needed to take them. >> and you weren't allowed to take them? >> that's correct. >> that is gary schaapley, a 14-year irs investigator who once oversaw the investigation into president biden's son's taxes. he was claimed he was then blocked from pursuing leads connected to the president. shapley told house lawmakers that hunter biden use his father as leverage to pressure into paying hunter biden. there was a second unnamed whistle-blower, a 2017 message said, quote, i will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. i am sit hting here waiting for the call with my father. those last three words are key.
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president biden yesterday denied that he was present when that text was allegedly sent. listen. >> president biden, how involved were you in your son's chinese shakedown text message? were you sitting there? were you involved? >> no, i wasn't, and -- >> were you? >> no. >> definitive no from the president. let's bring in cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, and elie honig, elliott let me begin with you. there are questions here. shapley highly regarded, worked at the irs for more than a decade, led this investigation. he's laid out specific allegations that need to be looked into more. my question to you is the trump administration and bill barr and jeff sessions had this stuff too and didn't bring charges. >> right, so for two-plus years, in fact, the trump administration had the hunter biden case, didn't bring any charges. that's important to keep in mind. among the allegations we've heard, some of them are of no
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concern, some are of legitimate concern. we've heard there was discussion, dissension in doj about what do we charge him with. irs agents allegedly wanted to charge more serious crimes. >> they wanted felonies some of them. >> that happens all the time. that does not bother me. that is a conversation that happens in every u.s. attorney's office every day across the country. that's part of the process. what is legitimate, though, is what we just heard from mr. shapley, if there were lines of investigation where they were told you cannot go down there, that's an issue. if this was a special counsel scenario, it's not. special counsels given a piece of paper when they start saying here the outlines of what you're doing, and we don't want them going beyond that. we don't want another ken starr scenario. but a normal investigation like this, you don't know where it's going to go and your job is to follow every lead. if it's proven that certain leads were cut off and it was said to this team, no, you can't look down that path, that's a real issue. >> you know, in another universe in which the world and congress was more functional and less polarized, this would be a
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perfect issue for congress to get to the bottom of. they could have hearings, call leadership of any agency in, investigate and really look into this. the problem is that congress itself is such a partisan body, you would not really get any sort of bipartisan agreement as to how to even conduct an investigation like that. that's really where you'd get to the bottom of something like that. >> getting inside the room of where i think the core of the dispute is right now which is the attorney general says i had nothing tad o do with any of th. i made clear that the u.s. attorney that was overseeing this that had been appointed by president trump had all of the resources and all of the ability to bring charges if he wanted to. the whistle-blowers, the two irs officials, are saying they were in a room in a meeting with the u.s. attorney who said he did not have the ability or did not have the freedom -- i'm paraphrasing here -- to actually do just that. the u.s. attorney has since sent a letter to congress denying that that's what happened or putting it in a different way. in a room, my sense is that all of these things may be somewhat,
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could be somewhat true in the dynamic of things. i want you to try and break down for people -- >> somewhat true. it's a little bit implausible to me to be perfectly blunt that one u.s. attorney said to another u.s. attorney that the u.s. attorney in washington, d.c., said to an individual who was put in place by the former president and was overseeing a case, i can't bring that case, please don't bring that to washington. >> i think it's a little bit implausible. at the end of the day, we don't know, this is the kind of thing that congress can get to the bottom of. if there were an actual dispute between various senior officials at the justice department, it would probably have been brought back to headquarters and someone there, even if not the attorney general, maybe he would step out of it, but a senior career official would have been the one to mediate something like that. the idea that these middish to senior levels guys were fighting against themselves and one single handedly probably required more investigation. >> lawyers do fight and lawyers do disagree on what happened. the u.s. attorney for delaware,
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long-time doj appointee served under administrations of both parties put in that job, u.s. attorney of delaware by donald trump in 2018 with support of both of delaware's democratic u.s. senators, and then when joe biden comes in in 2021, new presidents get rid of all 93 u.s. attorneys. >> but he didn't. >> but he left david weiss in place, three total that joe biden left in place, john durham being one of the other ones and a guy in chicago who had other corruption cases. left david weiss in place. what would the incentives be here? >> should weiss testify? >> i think he should. i think there's enough legitimate questions that have been raised here that he should. >> even if not testify, at least come in and talk to congress. it doesn't have to be a public hearing, but certainly answer questions. that's fair game, and that's if our government's working properly, that's what congress should be doing. >> thank you, guys, that helps a lot. appreciate it. all right, the streets near paris erupting with violence and chaos for a second night. schools and town halls set on
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of violent protests near paris erupting over the deadly police shooting of a 17-year-old driver during a traffic stop. multiple cars, town halls, schools, and plaolice stations were set on fire last night. >> angry protesters shot fireworks. that's some of what you're hearing, and threw stones at police. french officials say 150 people were arrest instead all of this and now france is mobilizing 40,000 police officers and paramilitary to patrol the country as more protest asks unrest are expected. the french interior minister says the move comes after the 9,000 officers they deployed last night weren't enough to quell the widespread violence. wow. happening right now, you're looking at live pictures from cities across the country, milwaukee is on the left, very hazy at this hour, chicago is on the right. it has been ranked as one of the most polluted cities in the world of late. more than 120 million americans are under alerts for dangerous air quality as thick waves of smoke from canadian wildfires
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smothers the nation. and rip currents on the gulf coast have killed at least 11th people in just last two weeks. that is according to preliminary data from the national weather service. the tragic deaths have spanned from fort morgan, alabama, to panama city beach, florida. obviously this got a lot of attention. we talked about the young former nfl player who was killed in all of this. now you've got law enforcement officials begging people to pay attention, serious attention to these warnings. >> yeah, it is urgent, poppy. just to give you a sense of how overwhelmed the florida officials are here along the gulf coast, in panama city beach, in the span of ten days they received 70 calls for distressed swimmers. over half of them coming on saturday. it has been a particularly deadly season when it comes to rip currents along the gulf of mexico. panama city beach, florida, recording the highest number of rip current beach fatalities in the u.s. this year with seven.
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all occurring within june 15th to june t24th according to the national weather service data. >> out here it can quickly go from extreme happiness to e extreme sadness. >> no fewer than 11 deaths reported during that period, along a stretch of the gulf of mexico between fort morgan, alabama, and panama city beach. >> the safest place to be when you come to a beach is near a lifeguard. swim near a lifeguard. >> officials urging beachgoers to pay attention to the warnings, especially the high hazard double red flag, which means that the water is closed to the public. >> the double red flag, you won't catch me out here. >> bay county sheriff tommy ford posting his frustration with beachgoers online calling the deaths unnecessary as first responders risk their own lives pulling people out of the water. and even posting these photos online showing the trenches in the sand caused by the rip currents saying you say you're a
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good swimmer, an experienced swimmer, a competitive swimmer, but you are no match for a rip current. according to the national weather service, rip currents are channelled currents of water that flow away from the shore to deeper water and are present in almost all beaches where waves break. while not all rip currents are dangerous, the u.s. averaged 71 rip current fatalities from 2013 to 2022 making them the third leading cause of weather-related deaths during that time killing more people than lightning, tornados or hurricanes. the only things more deadly, heat and floods. >> with the influx of people and having a roving patrol, these things can happen. but we still have a guard that's trying to make contact with people, trying to advise them where the rips are sf. >> reporter: this comes after former nfl quarterback ryan mallett died in an apparent drowning off the coast of the florida panhandle. while authorities didn't cite rip currents as the deacause ofs
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death, officials warn beachgoers. >> most often by the time you realize you're in trouble, it is too late. >> reporter: okay, so what do you do if you're caught in a rip current? as hard as it seems to do, you try to relax and swim parallel to the beach and try to come into the beach at ann angle. the one thing you don't want to do is try to swim directly back to shore. it's only going to tire you out and increase the likelihood of you drowning. >> i actually think a lot of people don't know that. i didn't know that. i'm really glad you told us that and put up that graphic that you have to sort of swim zigzag, right, away from it? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. >> thank you very much. president biden introducing bidenomics, the agenda he says is responsible for the economy's rebounding success. how it differs from republican policies that democrats say failed america. that's coming up next with that great group of people.
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bidenomics, you're hearing that a lot this week. president biden betting that his vision for the u.s. economy can help him win a second term. his team has dubbed bidenomics, the president explained it yesterday. >> building an economy from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down. and there are three fundamental changes that we decided to make with the help of congress we've been able to do it. first, making smart investments in america. second, educating and empowering
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american workers to grow the middle class, and third, promoting competition to lower costs to help small businesses. >> there are about two years of public opinion surveys that show that this is a hill to climb for this white house. if you look right there, messaging could be a gamble. 64% of the public disapproves of the president's handling of the economy according to a recent ap poll. what are they doing? is it going to work? joining us now christie roman, our business se vant, and john avlon my yankees brother at hand, and cnn political analyst and anchor, natasha al ford who i should have talked to in the last panel. we were so nerding out over baseball. it's very, very effective. >> it was a very inspirational story, also shoutout to afro ra t latinos. great representation right there. >> if i keep talking about baseball, you're going to draw me in. i want to ask you about this, though, move aside the fact that
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i don't think the president's totally sold on bidenomics, the terms, but this point here of they have a very real record to point to from a numbers perspective on growth, on jobs, on specific sectors in jobs, on the recovery, on the unemployment rate, and yet, you saw the polling we just showed is a messaging campaign going to change the game here? >> yeah, i mean, messaging is a priority, but whether bidenomics is the phrase, whether that inspires a sense of confidence or connecting with the everyday american person, i'm not sure if that's it. i think that this track record, 13 million jobs, the infrastructure investments, the chips and science act, i'm not sure if that's translating to everyday people, and i think that people still have this memory that's stuck on inflation, housing, being difficult to, you know, find affordable housing. all of these issues that sort of hit close to home, they're struggling with giving biden
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credit for solving those issues. >> in particular, you've said you think the biden administration could improve when it comes to black americans and focusing specifically on how this agenda helps and will continue to help them. >> yeah, i think it's important to understand that the black middle class only represents a certain portion of the black community at large. this idea of focusing on the black middle class is important, but for the working class families, right? what are you giving them, and then there's these promises of addressing racial injustice. people are still wondering what happens with the george floyd act, right? even though that's not necessarily president biden's fault, it's -- people are looking for wins in terms of the big promises that he made, and for me people it still falls short. >> i think the shock of the post-covid economy and inflation is something people haven't been able to brush off, and the white house is trying to show rightly these once in a generation investments that have been made, you know, bipartisan infrastructure, chips, all these other things that people will
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feel eventually, but right now they just still remember inflation of last year, and wrongly or rightly, they put it right on biden. >> do they remember it, or do they see it when they go to the store? 4% is still not awesome. >> gas prices are down $1.30 from last summer. all last summer it was what's the white house doing about gas prices. gas prices for a variety of reasons have been wrestled lower again. he got all the blame but none of the credit. that's just the way it works. >> that's sort of the story of this administration with regard to the economy. >> yeah. >> and i think it does have to do withrepetition. people blame messaging -- >> as a former speech writer, there's certain, you know, it's not just the messaging problem. it's usually about substance and meeting people where they live. that's why economies stick, the inflation is sticky even though
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it's gone down skand it's also these transformational investments, the chips act and infrastructure, that could do more to rebuild the middle class, which is one of the most urgent things in american politics there is in the long run, but it doesn't necessarily translate to today. >> i thought this was so interesting in this "washington post" op-ed this morning, the shift also has to do with who biden is, his long-standing alarm over the democratic party's alienation from working and middle class voters. you've been on a lot of calls with the white house. is this also about who the president is and trying to understand how can this be that we have as a party this disconnect from these folks? >> they just keep trying, you know, in these white house calls. they just keep trying to point out that from the very beginning joe biden has been table. not the big tax rates. kitchen table economics, they keep trying to make that connection. >> he was running against reagannomics, trickle-down economics book to the 1980s.
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>> can i ask you, they have said from the day they walked into office equity is at the center of our agenda. do you think they have delivered in part, in whole, some element in two and a half years on that kind of broad idea? >> if you appreciate the supreme court nomination, if you appreciate this record number of judges that are in place, if you pay attention to those things, then you would see that, yes, there is a promise delivered. in terms of everyday people's lives, right, some of those appointments how does that matter when it comes to changing police culture, when it comes to hiring, when it comes to protecting affirmative action which is -- >> we'll know today. >> so in terms of everyday people's lives, i think that, you know, there is still some promises that haven't been fulfilled. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. all right. tonight nfl and nba stars set to clash in an epic golf match.
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the match airing on tnt 6:30 eastern. andy scholz joins us live from vegas in the best you a sign. in this company right now. this is going to be a fun match. what's great is not just the golf, but the guys are mic'd, the back and forth, the trash-talk is wonderful. >> reporter: oh, it absolutely is. brings a whole other element to the match. they have got an earpiece in, they are trying to play. this is the first time we will have football versus basketball here in the match. you couldn't ask for bettduos, patrick mahomes and travis kelce going up against steph curry and klay thompson. steph and pat have played played in the match before, they lost. they want to win this time around. i talked to the guys last night. they all agreed that travis kelce is going to be able to hit the ball the furthest. if it goes where he wants it to, is another question. who has the advantage, the football players or the basketball players? >> shooters in golf, it's about
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the same thing. we see the course, can visualize shots. we are just going to have fun. >> good thing i can't block. [ laughter ] >> i am a way better shooter than a blocker. so we are going to be cashing them in, baby. soft hands on the football fields. >> nba finals, two minutes left versus a birdie putt to win the match. what are you more nervous? >> the nba finals. stakes are a little higher, you know. >> legacy and all that. >> pat, you say you have never been more nervous. >> bullpen. >> really? >> no chance. you know, two-minute drill, we just go back to what we do. it's a lot harder than what i'm saying. that's how i feel. but at the end of the day, i am not the best golfer, i am a streaky putter. >> what should the fans expect? >> good tv. it will be a good match regardless and we are going to
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be talking a lot of trash, having a lot of fun and i will be drink ago lot of coors light, so it will be a good time. >> reporter: the guys going to be a lot of fun. but both these teams really want to win and that event last night mahomes and kelce were an hour late because they were on the course grinding out as much practice as they could before the match tonight. >> i just want to still frame of your face and your smile looking up at these guys and getting to talk to all of them, andy. it was epic and totally the dream assignment. >> it is. awesome work as always. can't wait to watch. and tonight the coverage begins at 6:30 p.m. eastern on tnt, tru true tv, hln. >> and it's before our bedtime. all right. it is a huge day in the nation's capitol at the supreme court. it is opinion day. we will talk about the major decisions that could come down today with this group of brain
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